What a shocking Saturday

[dionysus]

weighted and compensated are not synonymous
if you apply weighted rather than rigged, you might feel less frustrated
then again, maybe not

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

You would prefer us to lie and not use the word random?

Odd...

You're wasting your time

No I would prefer outright honesty and for you to admit they are compensated.

Honestly, you're an imbecile.

 

[trancemonkey]

You're wasting your time

Honestly, you're an imbecile.

You're right about wasting time... But there's always that part of me that just wants to try and make the penny drop with these people.

But it ends up being like talking to a Flat Earther... They only believe what they want to believe. Not the truth.

 

[Jono777]

Weighted and compensated mean the same to me *ducks*

 

[dionysus]

You're right about wasting time... But there's always that part of me that just wants to try and make the penny drop with these people.

But it ends up being like talking to a Flat Earther... They only believe what they want to believe. Not the truth.

well, it's good to- there's always new members in reading threads - you should probably start saving bookmarks to key points youve addresed in the AMA to link to

 

[Mouche12]

@trancemonkey - I do understand somewhat the concept of randomness about slots and I very much appreciate your input, although I am no expert in probability. It's just that odd things happen in life, like people winning a huge amount in the lottery twice in a short period of time,

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- hence the question, is life truly random?

Edit to add: or am I showing my ignorance, does randomness indeed mean that the number 29 can fall 3, 4 or even 6 times in a row at the roulette table?

 

[dionysus]

@trancemonkey - I do understand somewhat the concept of randomness about slots and I very much appreciate your input, although I am no expert in probability. It's just that odd things happen in life, like people winning a huge amount in the lottery twice in a short period of time,

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- hence the question, is life truly random?

Edit to add: or am I showing my ignorance, does randomness indeed mean that the number 29 can fall 3, 4 or even 6 times in a row at the roulette table?

yes, as the table has no memory of previous drops
it's just incredibly unlikely

 

[paul7388]

yes, as the table has no memory of previous drops
it's just incredibly unlikely

It will fall 10 times in a row if Kelapa has bet every other number on the table bar it

 

[snorky510238]

Feel free to enlighten me how the outcome of slots is not randomly determined then? I'll get my popcorn ready

Actually, I'll make it easy for you...

If you take the definition of random as "having equal chance" then each reel position does NOT necessarily have an equal weighting. However that does NOT mean the outcome wasn't randomly determined.

Take a dice with 10 sides - let's say the numbers 1 to 5 occur once and 6 occurs five times. Roll it. The roll of the dice is random... Each one of the sides has an equal chance of occuring. But the OUTCOME shown on the side of the dice is not equally weighted.

Then it doesn’t comply with the true definition of random simples. Take the lottery for instance. Balls 1 to 49 but we will use your definition of random. We will add 10 extra balls with number 1 on them. With your definition it’s still random which drop out but anybody with any sense is going to include number 1 in their choice of numbers because there is a higher probability it will be chosen. You can’t weight something and call it random because you have influenced the possible outcome. With your definition you could say a compensated slot is random.

 

[snorky510238]

You're wasting your time

Honestly, you're an imbecile.

Sorry who did you say you are?

 

[goatwack]

You're wasting your time

Honestly, you're an imbecile.

Note how the discussion was fine without personal insults

 

[snorky510238]

@trancemonkey - I do understand somewhat the concept of randomness about slots and I very much appreciate your input, although I am no expert in probability. It's just that odd things happen in life, like people winning a huge amount in the lottery twice in a short period of time,

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- hence the question, is life truly random?

Edit to add: or am I showing my ignorance, does randomness indeed mean that the number 29 can fall 3, 4 or even 6 times in a row at the roulette table?

Yes I heard that a number came up 9 times in a row once and that is the record but I can’t verify that as being true. I play at a live casino regularly and have seen a number come 4 times in a row 4 or 5 times. As for your is life random. Do you mean the things that happen to us on a daily basis or the fact we exist at all?

 

[Mouche12]

Both actually snorky. I have my own thoughts about this, but would rather not initiate a religious dialogue here...

 

[bebo67]

What I've learned in the last couple of weeks, might help others. I USE to deposit daily, more than a few times, daily. I am a high better, small bets bore the crap out of me. I always complained that I was never winning. I mean with all these deposits and only getting a couple withdrawals a year, losing in battles etc. It surely must be rigged! BUT. I decided to stop depositing daily and just make small deposits a couple of times a week. And guess what? My play time has increased. I mean huge increase. Battles at VS? I go on one before bed, and maybe one in the morning and then forget about it. And I am actually winning on the battles. Leaving the free spins sit there, has actually gave me money when I do go and use them. Yesterday I had 15 free spins from the night before battle. That gave me 7 dollars, and then I was able to turn that into 650. Long story short. Change your strategy, and play less

 

[sufferinsilence]

It's all tinfoil hat but all the times I had significant wins it was all on small stakes of 10 to 40 cents. Whenever I even dare to look at €1 or 2 stake it all falls apart 99% of the time. If you look at my screenshots they're all from small bets apart from 2 screens on Ocean Magic which weren't even "big" wins if you look at times stake.

Last friday I did a session mostly on €1 bets because I had a great month on slots and sportsbetting, so I deposited half of my profit (€250). All gone in just over an hour The only feature I had was a Gargantoon on 60 cent because my bankroll was running low by then. And I played quite a few slots, both higher and lower variance. Yesterday I had a €20 free chip and played for over 2 hours on 20 cent bets, didn't manage the wager but had lots of fun.

Sure it's all random and I was just unlucky last friday, I can accept that but I guess the moral of the story for myself is that I have more fun on lower bet sizes: you can still win reasonably big, don't have to deposit too much and it's less stressful to see your small bankroll dwindle when you have bad luck.

 

[KasinoKing]

Then it doesn’t comply with the true definition of random simples. Take the lottery for instance. Balls 1 to 49 but we will use your definition of random. We will add 10 extra balls with number 1 on them. With your definition it’s still random which drop out but anybody with any sense is going to include number 1 in their choice of numbers because there is a higher probability it will be chosen. You can’t weight something and call it random because you have influenced the possible outcome. With your definition you could say a compensated slot is random.

I think the problem could be that your definition of "compensated" is inaccurate.

There is a vast difference between compensated and weighted:
Weighted means one outcome is randomly more likely to occur than another.
Compensated means the program controlling the slot blocks or triggers certain outcomes.

KK

 

[trancemonkey]

Then it doesn’t comply with the true definition of random simples. Take the lottery for instance. Balls 1 to 49 but we will use your definition of random. We will add 10 extra balls with number 1 on them. With your definition it’s still random which drop out but anybody with any sense is going to include number 1 in their choice of numbers because there is a higher probability it will be chosen. You can’t weight something and call it random because you have influenced the possible outcome. With your definition you could say a compensated slot is random.

No - a compensated game takes in to account previous play, and knows exactly how much money it owes / has paid in order to regulate the RTP. This is not in the slightest bit the same as my dice example - you, and many others, have fallen in to the trap of semantics. I have always said, and will continue to say, that the outcome is randomly determined. I have never once said that every single outcome has exactly the same chance of happening - that would be ridiculous. If you had the chance of 1000x the same as 1x, you would have to have a win frequency of about 1 in 600 games....

 

[Jono777]

Previous 2 posts, excellent!!!!!!

 

[trancemonkey]

As an addendum to my previous post, and in further reply to Snorky, you can call something random which is not evenly distributed. A dice roll is random, regardless of what is on the dice.

 

[dunover]

LOOK! FFS! Start at the beginning. Get the reels maps and the allocated win values. Say there's 125 million permutations, and they all came in one-by-one in testing, you've spent 125 million quid at £1 a go and you would have (at 96% TRTP) 120million quid at the end. That is the TRTP.

Imagine those 125million permutations as a giant bag of lotto balls. You randomly pick one out and get awarded the result, whether 0.00 (which probably 3/4 would be) or say 0.25x bet or 500x bet. The ball goes straight back in the bag and next spin you pick another and so-on. This means that every possible outcome can occur on any given spin, the bag of balls (yeah, ok!) is the SAME every time.

Now spawny Jono comes along and has 10 goes and picks 6@0.00, 1@0.5x, 1@ 16x, 1@ 42x and lastly one at 500x so has made 558.5x bet for £10, a short-term RTP of 5485%. He celebrates robustly. Dunover the loser comes along and has 10 spins @ £1 and gets 9@0.00 and 1@1.5x bet. Short-term RTP of 0.15% and broken laptop, cat gets a foot up its arse. We both started with exactly the same stake and chances and bag of balls lol..

Now in the next scenario, the balls Jono selects are REMOVED from the bag and not put back after each of his spins. So Dunover comes along and say there is only 10 balls in the bag at 500x, little do I know but when I play there's only 9 chances in 125million to get 500x - THAT IS COMPENSATION!

 

[deaconk78]

it's never going to be truly random - it might feel random to the winner who lands big on their first spin but the fact a slot is there to make a profit means that's going to effect true randomness . A slot will not pay out until it wants too . The player who wins may be randomly selected but the moment it pays out is not random . the slot may be ready to pay out "£16k" but how it divides that up could mean that you land a x34 and some other geezer lands a x1500

it's not like the pub gambler though that you can batter into submission - you may batter an online slot only for some other joe bloggs to take 'your' money .

 

[trancemonkey]

it's never going to be truly random - it might feel random to the winner who lands big on their first spin but the fact a slot is there to make a profit means that's going to effect true randomness . A slot will not pay out until it wants too . The player who wins may be randomly selected but the moment it pays out is not random . the slot may be ready to pay out "£16k" but how it divides that up could mean that you land a x34 and some other geezer lands a x1500

it's not like the pub gambler though that you can batter into submission - you may batter an online slot only for some other joe bloggs to take 'your' money .

Absolute garbage.... get your tin-foil hat on Online slots are NOT compensated, which is what you are describing.

 

[goatwack]

Absolute garbage.... get your tin-foil hat on Online slots are NOT compensated, which is what you are describing.

You still haven't explained what happens when a slot is randomly de-rigged

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Absolute garbage.... get your tin-foil hat on Online slots are NOT compensated, which is what you are describing.

You're a more patient man than I, trance.

 

[deaconk78]

Absolute garbage.... get your tin-foil hat on

i don't require a tin foil hat .Unless you're paying ? or do you only do that randomly ?