Vulcan RTG slot gone

[Simmo!]

From the information I have (the original marketing spec sheets) this is definitely NOT the case.
Not all of the slots had the lower 91% as an option, while others didn't have the higher 97.5% choice.
Also, the "middle setting" was 94% on some slots, but 95% on others.
This points to them being able to adjust each game individually.

KK

Interesting. That sounds like it contradicts what I have been told by two separate RTG operators who both told me they had to submit to RTG which of the settings they wanted. My information is at least 2 years old though...maybe it's changed.

 

[KasinoKing]

Interesting. That sounds like it contradicts what I have been told by two separate RTG operators who both told me they had to submit to RTG which of the settings they wanted. My information is at least 2 years old though...maybe it's changed.

My information is even older than that - maybe it changed!

KK

 

[cheetahwind]

RTG Feature Guarantee Version 2

So apparently I was just informed that any games featuring the Feature Guarantee Version 2 have been taken offline for review. Such as Vulcan and Naughty or Nice Spring Break.

Has anyone else noticed that these slots are gone or missing?

I'm wondering if someone else has found another "bug" like what was found in Ork Vs Elf again in the feature triggering.

Anywho the 2 casinos in question are Slotocash and Desert Nights.

 

[maphesto]

So apparently I was just informed that any games featuring the Feature Guarantee Version 2 have been taken offline for review. Such as Vulcan and Naughty or Nice Spring Break.

Has anyone else noticed that these slots are gone or missing?

I'm wondering if someone else has found another "bug" like what was found in Ork Vs Elf again in the feature triggering.

Anywho the 2 casinos in question are Slotocash and Desert Nights.

Read more here!:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/vulcan-rtg-slot-gone.61813/

 

[cheetahwind]

I guess I should have looked a bit deeper, sorry for the double post of a similar thread

 

[dougmanct]

Someone likely figured out that just because the user interface for these games did not reveal the spins left until feature value, that didn't mean it was not in clientside memory, and that once you knew where in process memory this variable lives, you could simply close out and restart the game until you had a low "spins until feature" counter, thus making the game massively +EV.

Just saying.

 

[nisosbar]

Someone likely figured out that just because the user interface for these games did not reveal the spins left until feature value, that didn't mean it was not in clientside memory, and that once you knew where in process memory this variable lives, you could simply close out and restart the game until you had a low "spins until feature" counter, thus making the game massively +EV.

Just saying.

Also, the flash/instant play version of Vulcan did not work properly - you'd start playing it, waiting for the "spins left until feature" message, but if you ran out of funds and closed the game, you would not get the warning message that you get when you are running the client software. Or at least, I didn't when I played it in Instant Play (and I never got the feature).

 

[X-Raided]

I'm surprised that Jackpot Capital thanked ChuChu's post but didn't make an
effort to chime in and provide a little insight... but then again, why should they?

IMO, When I see a maintenance worker opening a slot's cabinet at a B&M casino,
I don't walk up to the guy and say "hey, what are you doing in there". Who gives a
shit if they remove the games and bring them back later after maintenance. If you don't
like how it plays or pays after the maintenance, pick another slot to play.

 

[cheetahwind]

Vulcan is back... at least at Slotocash it is. So far within my first 30 spins of it, I already triggered the feature garuntee already. So far so good, not sure what they changed yet. Here are the some screen shots of the pay tables, in case anyone actually had the older pay tables memorized. I barely played this game, so I could barely know what to expect as whole really.

 

[cheetahwind]

Well I can already tell the one thing that has gone missing. I went under $1 with a coupon, and was never given the chance to take a chance on winning a bonus. So they removed that feature. Therefore all I got asked was did I want to deposit more?
So in other words, you do have the opportunity to loose all of your gained time and credit for the machine when playing a bonus. Which could end badly in a round about way.
Now the only thing I wonder if they save up that played time for my next time I deposit or if all my gained time is now officially gone.

 

[Dinahnana]

Well I guess time will tell if the game has actually changed. I hope Cheetawind that the game does save the settings where you are at the next time you play the game otherwise what is the point in playing a feature guarantee slot? They are expensive enough to play in the first place (side bets and those babies are mostly tight).
Naughty or Nice Spring Break is back as well.

 

[silcnlayc]

I played this game a lot and the feature is triggered at any given spin. If you do not meet the feature trigger, you do lose all investment made whenyou run out of money. It is NOT a guaranteed feature until you meet the spins trigger within the feature.

I had this discussion with the casino when I played it a few times and ran out of money before I hit the feature or before I met the spin feature requirements inside the feature and did not get to play the feature because I was not re-depositing to continue to play. The casino stated that is the way the game plays so it really is not a guaranteed feature like other games where you can click on play the feature button when out of funds. I was told, this is normal for this game.

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Well I can already tell the one thing that has gone missing. I went under $1 with a coupon, and was never given the chance to take a chance on winning a bonus. So they removed that feature. Therefore all I got asked was did I want to deposit more?
So in other words, you do have the opportunity to loose all of your gained time and credit for the machine when playing a bonus. Which could end badly in a round about way.
Now the only thing I wonder if they save up that played time for my next time I deposit or if all my gained time is now officially gone.

 

[cheetahwind]

Well unless if that was part of the "glitch" they were fixing.
I know before they game went down, that when I played it at Slotocash. The game would actually give me a chance at the trigger if I was playing with a coupon. That would be the only time it would reveal before the 25 spins left to go trigger point. Normally it would go something along the lines of if your balance falls below $0.50 you'll loose all spins you put in towards your next bonus. Do you wish to try for a trigger? Yada, yada, yada. Which at that point I would get how much of a percentage I had actually achieved and sometimes be shocked that I was going for the 250 spins before a bonus would trigger ordeal.
Then if I played with straight cash no bonus, then that opportunity never afforded itself.
So that might have been the "maintenance" that they were talking about. So far I've seen both Naughty or Nice Spring Break and Vulcan at 2 other RTGs. So I'm going to assume it's at the rest that wanted it back.
It was also nice to see that the random jackpot was restored to it's original condition at Slotocash. Apparently it was over 1k for the mini. So you bet ya know what I'll be chasing this weekend if it's still there.

 

[dougmanct]

I would say lowering the top multiplier in the bonus game from 500x to 300x is pretty significant and greatly reduces the size of the monster payouts the game is capable of. I'd say they just killed the main reason to grind this game.

 

[nisosbar]

I would say lowering the top multiplier in the bonus game from 500x to 300x is pretty significant and greatly reduces the size of the monster payouts the game is capable of. I'd say they just killed the main reason to grind this game.

But wait! Look at screen capture number 5 - the 500x is still there.

 

[greedygirl]

From the information I have (the original marketing spec sheets) this is definitely NOT the case.
Not all of the slots had the lower 91% as an option, while others didn't have the higher 97.5% choice.
Also, the "middle setting" was 94% on some slots, but 95% on others.
This points to them being able to adjust each game individually.

KK

Actually, the correct answer goes to Simmo on this one...

Interesting. That sounds like it contradicts what I have been told by two separate RTG operators who both told me they had to submit to RTG which of the settings they wanted. My information is at least 2 years old though...maybe it's changed.

Each operator has to inform RTG as to what settings they want their games at, and it would be highly unusual for an operator to make changes once they've selected those settings.

Well done, MuppetBoy.

 

[KasinoKing]

Actually, the correct answer goes to Simmo on this one...

Each operator has to inform RTG as to what settings they want their games at, and it would be highly unusual for an operator to make changes once they've selected those settings.

Well done, MuppetBoy.

Yes, on a game-by-game basis, that is what I thought was the case too. AFAIK the operator CAN NOT change the settings themselves - RTG have to do it.

BUT Simmo said ALL the slots at a given casino have the same RTP - it was that which I was saying is not possible.

KK

 

[Dinahnana]

I played this game a lot and the feature is triggered at any given spin. If you do not meet the feature trigger, you do lose all investment made whenyou run out of money. It is NOT a guaranteed feature until you meet the spins trigger within the feature.

I had this discussion with the casino when I played it a few times and ran out of money before I hit the feature or before I met the spin feature requirements inside the feature and did not get to play the feature because I was not re-depositing to continue to play. The casino stated that is the way the game plays so it really is not a guaranteed feature like other games where you can click on play the feature button when out of funds. I was told, this is normal for this game.

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Well that just sucks I mean you pay a side bet for the feature but if you run out of funds you lose it. Evil genius slot design on RTG's part IMHO. It's a fun game but pretty high variance. So I guess if you wanna play it make sure you have the money for 250 spins just in case

 

[Dinahnana]

I would say lowering the top multiplier in the bonus game from 500x to 300x is pretty significant and greatly reduces the size of the monster payouts the game is capable of. I'd say they just killed the main reason to grind this game.

So feature retriggers have changed from 5, 50 and 500 to 3, 30, 300. Also since the game was down for "maintenance" for so long you would think they would have changed screenshot 5.
So the answer given to me when I inquired was not correct. The game was pulled so feature could be changed.

 

[greedygirl]

Yes, on a game-by-game basis, that is what I thought was the case too. AFAIK the operator CAN NOT change the settings themselves - RTG have to do it.

BUT Simmo said ALL the slots at a given casino have the same RTP - it was that which I was saying is not possible.

KK

No--it is NOT on a game by game basis. Simmo IS correct in that ALL the slots at a given casino have the same RTP. RTG has a default RTP which is used amongst all its software. When an operator sets up, the operator must decide whether to accept the default or change to one of the other setting options. Should the operator decide mid-stream to change the RTP, it must be among the entire suite of games and it's not a simple or quick process on RTG's side to do so.

 

[Dinahnana]

No--it is NOT on a game by game basis. Simmo IS correct in that ALL the slots at a given casino have the same RTP. RTG has a default RTP which is used amongst all its software. When an operator sets up, the operator must decide whether to accept the default or change to one of the other setting options. Should the operator decide mid-stream to change the RTP, it must be among the entire suite of games and it's not a simple or quick process on RTG's side to do so.

I was always under this impression too Greedygirl. RTP the same for entire casino but slots obviously varying variance. I really would like to know what model the casinos I play at are running. But I can never get the answer and even some casinos denied there was even 3 RTP settings (this was a while ago so I don't remember which).
Also I am interested to know can the casino ask RTG change the RTP model on a regular basis or is it set in stone once RTG gives them the desired RTP?

 

[KasinoKing]

No--it is NOT on a game by game basis. Simmo IS correct in that ALL the slots at a given casino have the same RTP. RTG has a default RTP which is used amongst all its software. When an operator sets up, the operator must decide whether to accept the default or change to one of the other setting options. Should the operator decide mid-stream to change the RTP, it must be among the entire suite of games and it's not a simple or quick process on RTG's side to do so.

Not trying to start a fight but how do you know that for a fact? What is your evidence?
I have copies of about 55 of the original RTG marketing data-sheets which clearly show that not all the slots have the same 3 settings. If you PM me your e-mail I can send them to you.
It is possible that they later went and re-designed all those slots so that they did have the same settings - but I personally think that is extremely unlikely.

If what you are saying IS true, then players who suspected that the "giveaway" clue on Fruit Frenzy DOES mean all that casino's slots are on 91.5% would be right!

KK

 

[greedygirl]

Not trying to start a fight but how do you know that for a fact? What is your evidence?
I have copies of about 55 of the original RTG marketing data-sheets which clearly show that not all the slots have the same 3 settings. If you PM me your e-mail I can send them to you.
It is possible that they later went and re-designed all those slots so that they did have the same settings - but I personally think that is extremely unlikely.

If what you are saying IS true, then players who suspected that the "giveaway" clue on Fruit Frenzy DOES mean all that casino's slots are on 91.5% would be right!

KK

For starters, KK, you're likely forgetting I worked (and still do a bit of consulting for) one of the most beloved RTG groups. My association with this group goes back more than 8 years now and continues. Not to mention I've consulted for several others. I actually DO know a bit about what I'm saying in this.

You say you have all these copies of the original RTG marketing sheets. Given the fact that the original marketing materials date back to 1999, perhaps you've missed the fact that much has changed through the years with RTG?

Unfortunately, I don't know about the Fruit Frenzy issue you're speaking of, but as for all casino slots being set at 91.5, this is a falsehood. ONLY those casinos choosing to take the lower percentage would have their slots set at this. There's a big difference between RTP and variance.

I was always under this impression too Greedygirl. RTP the same for entire casino but slots obviously varying variance. I really would like to know what model the casinos I play at are running. But I can never get the answer and even some casinos denied there was even 3 RTP settings (this was a while ago so I don't remember which).
Also I am interested to know can the casino ask RTG change the RTP model on a regular basis or is it set in stone once RTG gives them the desired RTP?

Osulle--

I can't say why casinos choose not to give their percentages. IMO, I'd like to see this be standard stuff displayed on both the websites and game consoles...but I'm a dreamer.

A casino CAN ask RTG to change the RTP, however (BIG however, here), it's not a simple process. I'm sure people think that a click of a button will change things, but this is not the case and in fact, RTG frowns upon this practice. I'm not even going to attempt to explain everything that goes into making the RTP change, because to be honest, this is all technical stuff and I'm essentially a technical idiot. What I do know is changing RTP means down time for the casino which means loss in profits for all concerned--the operator has to have a darned good reason to make a switch.

 

[maphesto]

Unfortunately, I don't know about the Fruit Frenzy issue you're speaking of, but as for all casino slots being set at 91.5, this is a falsehood. ONLY those casinos choosing to take the lower percentage would have their slots set at this. There's a big difference between RTP and variance.

This is exactly what he meant, your "new" info is interesting.

This is RTG's words:

There are three settings for the RTP on RTG slots. 91.5, 95 & 97.5%. When games are released they are set at the default 95%. The 91% is designed primarily for those operators who use RTG software for Asian kiosks and Internet cafes where these games are played. 95% of all RTG casinos have their slots set at 95% - ed. note: we've already seen two operators (iNetBet, ClubWorld) state that they have never messed with the settings. We can assume that their slots are all set at 95%

The operator does not have the ability to change the setting. If the operator wishes to have a setting change, he/she must submit a request for the change in writing with a reason. Once this is processed by RTG the setting is changed. This change affects the game for the entire platform - not for specific players.

Future game releases will probably omit the 97.5% RTP and only include 91 and 95 with the 95% gut remaining as the default. Players need to understand that the RTG real time slots are very volatile, and your results may be higher or lower depending on the length of your play time. These games are tested with over 100 million spins before being released.

All those machines with 94% as a maximum does not fit in to this info, as KK said in june 2010 when this info came from Bryan:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-and-rtp-the-official-word.38348/

 

[maphesto]

And here's the original Fruit Frenzy "double pears" thread:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/fruit-frenzy-layout-at-doyles-hmmm.33284/

That thread is very interesting, "casinojack" even told us that operators can change payouts... Come on Tin Foil hatters, read on!