Virtual VS bsilva028 : split from the Virtual Probation thread

[gagamel]

I stayed out of this thread mostly, but have been reading it, now that bsilva's rep is "threatened" i would like to jump in and say something.
First off, i am the last person to want to defend him as i have been a bit unhappy with his new and improved site, since i feel much of it is copied from my own by whomever wrote his texts there. So now that that is out in the open, i also feel the need to defend him in this matter, call it balance.

This group of Casinos we know as virtual and acerevenue, seriously has always been the school example of what is rogue, since before 2000.
Who cares someone made 100+ accounts there, they are an orginazation that borders on a criminal institution, or at least were so in the recent past.
Besides what also has been said by many posters, that they have been down this "redemption road" on more then one occassion, in the end they never got to Oz's castle... some people that were ripped off appeared to have been paid after years, well big whoop-ti ff-in doo, but that does not mean a damn thing, except to those persons.

They have been smart enough to hire some people that have some skills in communication and even with a good heart, which were themselves probably lead to believe their employers in their sincerity, however one of those already dissapeared into oblivion, i fear the same will be the case for good old tawni here.

I am not going into a discussion, let that be clear, but to me, this is a group that will always remain the bad apple, i thank them because i somehow needed them to show me what is wrong.

Anyway, the point i would like to make is that whatever bsilva has done in his past, this really is the one group i would believe to go as far as fabrication of false emails (not so hard if you have skills) and other data, just to strenghten their case. I even see them using an employee in portugal to sign up with an IP spoofer, pretending to be bsilva, and making 40+ accounts, and falsifieng the time stamps... THAT's how high i regard this group!
So whatever comes forth, out of this instance, let's give bsilva a break, and lets focus on what is important (good point @ jetset)
Don't give them any slack, they don't deserve it.

(im really wondering if i will be the next that is accused of multiple accounting)

That`s my apprehention too.

 

[bsilva028]

That`s my apprehention too.

another lesson that i´ve learned with this:
dont try to give advices, or you can be acused of fraudster and blamer of rogue practices

 

[maphesto]

another lesson that i´ve learned with this:
dont try to give advices, or you can be acused of fraudster and blamer of rogue practices

I haven't read all posts here carefully, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like your eager to find evidence against gamblingwages casinos made you to skip reading T&C:s.

In T&C:s it says that no free chip are allowed to cash out from if you are from Portugal and that two free chip in a row is not allowed.

IF you really want to give advice, do it the right way.

BTW, I am really interested in how they can show us that you managed to create 40 accounts.

 

[bigjohn]

another lesson that i´ve learned with this:
dont try to give advices, or you can be acused of fraudster and blamer of rogue practices

You might want to stop right there and just chill a bit.

 

[bsilva028]

I haven't read all posts here carefully, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like your eager to find evidence against gamblingwages casinos made you to skip reading T&C:s.

In T&C:s it says that no free chip are allowed to cash out from if you are from Portugal and that two free chip in a row is not allowed.

IF you really want to give advice, do it the right way.

BTW, I am really interested in how they can show us that you managed to create 40 accounts.

simple
i dont have them.

did you read the site that leads to their "restricted countrys" list? if its from their site? or if has some info about their company? any person could make a list like that one and put it on internet, any person

 

[gagamel]

As I stated yesterday, I’ve already PM’d Max and he is going to be reviewing everything we have regarding bsilva’s history and his current situation. I’ve not disappeared, but really, I believe it is best for Max to look things over and not speak about bsilva until Max has done so. ]And you’re right, it is the weekend and the last weekend before Christmas, at that.[/QUOTE

You signed a contract with a bad company and your job is to give them back their reputation.
If I would have this job I would show presence 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Your statement is blablabla.
Please show some facts. But I am sure your company can imitate any facts (like mails and accounts).

If your casino is the last online casino in this world I would avoid it.

 

[maphesto]

did you read the site that leads to their "restricted countrys" list? if its from their site? or if has some info about their company? any person could make a list like that one and put it on internet, any person

I have read the current T&C:s at The Virtual Casino, I don't like them, still their pdf-document about restricted countries lists Portugal as one of those countries that can't use free chips.

I don't like to defend GWages casinos in public like this, but that country list is there to read for every new player there is.

Still, I want to know how these brands can claim that you managed to create 40 accounts.

 

[bsilva028]

I have read the current T&C:s at The Virtual Casino, I don't like them, still their pdf-document about restricted countries lists Portugal as one of those countries that can't use free chips.

I don't like to defend GWages casinos in public like this, but that country list is there to read for every new player there is.

Still, I want to know how these brands can claim that you managed to create 40 accounts.

actually, portugal, as well as many other countryS, by their list, CAN PLAY WITH FREE CHIPS, but can´t cashout from them... what is this world?
"you can play them, but you can´t cashout", its an "automaticly broken rule"

and the list to be "official" should be like coolcat.kghg/list or gwage/list.info and with some information or logos about the brands...
now livechat/list.info (or something close to this) and with the pdf document without mention any casino??

 

[rena35]

Why would anyone want that many accounts? Even if you follow all the rules it still would have been hard to get paid(IMHO). I am leaving this thread to the experts. I just wanted to say that i read Greedygirls posts and she does have her work cut out for her. Knowing Greedygirl she will be ok though because she is one tough cookie. Shes going to have to be. GL bsilva .

 

[Nifty29]

actually, portugal, as well as many other countryS, by their list, CAN PLAY WITH FREE CHIPS, but can´t cashout from them... what is this world?
"you can play them, but you can´t cashout", its an "automaticly broken rule"

and the list to be "official" should be like coolcat.kghg/list or gwage/list.info and with some information or logos about the brands...
now livechat/list.info (or something close to this) and with the pdf document without mention any casino??

It's not an automatically broken rule at all.

The terms say you may play for "entertainment purposes only"....not the smartest rule, but it's stated very clearly.

It doesn't matter what the name of the pdf document is....to say it does is just silly. It just looks like you're looking for every little reason possible to attempt to make your case look better. It's not working. In fact, it smacks of desperation.

People should also realize that promotional mailers are often done weeks in advance from a prepared database. Even if the casino finds a way to filter out those who have claimed a free chip as their last transaction, there will always be those who claimed one 5 minutes after the database was created etc. It's pretty much impossible to filter out every single ineligible player.

In any case, it's a well known fact that playing two free chips in a row is not allowed. So, if you get a freebie offer and you're not eligible, then just ignore it. I really don't see the problem. As far as the email being "personalised"...it doesn't mean someone is writing it one at a time after looking through your account. Surely everyone has heard of mail merge etc?

 

[bsilva028]

It's not an automatically broken rule at all.

The terms say you may play for "entertainment purposes only"....not the smartest rule, but it's stated very clearly.

It doesn't matter what the name of the pdf document is....to say it does is just silly. It just looks like you're looking for every little reason possible to attempt to make your case look better. It's not working. In fact, it smacks of desperation.

People should also realize that promotional mailers are often done weeks in advance from a prepared database. Even if the casino finds a way to filter out those who have claimed a free chip as their last transaction, there will always be those who claimed one 5 minutes after the database was created etc. It's pretty much impossible to filter out every single ineligible player.

In any case, it's a well known fact that playing two free chips in a row is not allowed. So, if you get a freebie offer and you're not eligible, then just ignore it. I really don't see the problem. As far as the email being "personalised"...it doesn't mean someone is writing it one at a time after looking through your account. Surely everyone has heard of mail merge etc?

nifty
you are from those that never knows what you want or say
it happened already in some good situations where you blame casino A and a few posts later you defend them (it has already happened with an acredited group) your words saying "i will not play there even if they paid me" and some posts later "what makes me play there is etc etc"

now here, in page 1, you blame virtual without ask for nothing and without reason, now you defend the tactics that they have practiced??

give yourself a break

no i am not desperation, for me it looks like the desperation is more from your part.

 

[maxd]

The player account information provided by Tawni does indeed show that bsilva is guilty of substantial multiple account fraud across at least six of the groups casinos:

• Cirrus - 6 or more accounts
• Club Player - 8 or more accounts
• Coolcat - 8 or more accounts
• Palace of Chance - 7 or more accounts
• Prism - 10 or more accounts
• Virtual - 3 or more accounts

There are more than enough indicators to cross-link these accounts. The data spans 2008 - 2013. Cases where the data is not sufficiently convincing have been omitted.

bsilva has stated several times here and elsewhere that he has no multiple accounts. Given what I've seen I'm confident that that is an outright lie and that he has grossly misrepresented himself here and in the PAB process. As such I am banning him from our forums. If he wishes to appeal this decision he knows how to contact Bryan and request a re-evaluation.

 

[maphesto]

10 or more at Prism...

Is it possible to remove all posts about bsilva's strange "advice" from this probation thread? It's not about gwages casinos, it's about bsilva and he can't defend himself anymore.

 

[maxd]

Is it possible to remove all posts about bsilva's strange "advice" from this probation thread?

I assume you mean remove all the bsilva stuff into its own thread, yes? Not my idea of fun on Christmas Eve day but it should be possible.

 

[maphesto]

I assume you mean remove all the bsilva stuff into its own thread, yes?

Yes!

I know it's not fun.

 

[ChillBill]

I want to discuss withdrawals, but because much of this explanation has to do with U.S. processing, I have PM’d Bryan and Max to ask whether to have this discussion within this thread or within the America The Beautiful section.

Posting your answers about withdrawals to the ATB section, would be like a member posting a slots bonus grievance to the 5 scatters winning screen capture section, because that forum is about slot machines.

Your deviation from laying the cards on table, is ironically similar, to the excuses VCG/Ace dishes out to players, when they're stalling on paying winnings.

Besides, these absurd withdrawal issues are not just related to the USA, they blanket every player, in every country, who can wager real bets at these casinos. Players outside the USA are not hampered with processing issues. Other casinos can get non-USA-players paid to web wallets in 48 hours or less, and bank wires completed in 5 work days.

It's my understanding (and it seems other members too) that this thread, has been setup to deal with all issues relating to the operations/management of these casinos. Isn't that the reason your here, along with others, all trying to clean up this self-imposed mess Virtual/Ace have created for themselves!

Under the prevailing circumstances, given we've be told more than a few times (in this thread), VCG and Ace Revenue are genuinely wanting to clean up their act, that using anything other than direct lines of communication, within this establish forum thread, could be seen by members, that VCG & Ace, are again, playing everyone for muppets (chumps) and this is just another waste of time.

 

[wigan rl]

The player account information provided by Tawni does indeed show that bsilva is guilty of substantial multiple account fraud across at least six of the groups casinos:

• Cirrus - 6 or more accounts
• Club Player - 8 or more accounts
• Coolcat - 8 or more accounts
• Palace of Chance - 7 or more accounts
• Prism - 10 or more accounts
• Virtual - 3 or more accounts

There are more than enough indicators to cross-link these accounts. The data spans 2008 - 2013. Cases where the data is not sufficiently convincing have been omitted.

bsilva has stated several times here and elsewhere that he has no multiple accounts. Given what I've seen I'm confident that that is an outright lie and that he has grossly misrepresented himself here and in the PAB process. As such I am banning him from our forums. If he wishes to appeal this decision he knows how to contact Bryan and request a re-evaluation.

The question i've got is how can he make all these accounts without getting picked up?

 

[maxd]

Yes! I know it's not fun.

It'll be a little messy too, posts that maybe should be moved but I didn't, etc. Feel free to send me a PM -- or several -- with the URL's of posts that need attention.

If you're looking for the URL of a given post it is a two-step process:

(1) right click on the post number ...



(2) copy the link address ...



Paste that copied address into your PM. You're done! Repeat with other posts as required.

Attach Removed (Old not found)

 

[maxd]

It's my understanding (and it seems other members too) that this thread, has been setup to deal with all issues relating to the operations/management of these casinos. Isn't that the reason your here, along with others, all trying to clean up this self-imposed mess Virtual/Ace have created for themselves!

Recommend you chill a bit Bill.

She's posting that stuff in ATB as a courtesy to us and our forums. She'd asked if that was appropriate based on advice from a senior forum member, US issues in the US issues forum and so forth. No conspiracy nor disrespect intended.

The question i've got is how can he make all these accounts without getting picked up?

Why is that "the question"? A casino may not pick up on a player's subterfuge for some time. And when they do they are under no obligation to act on it, then or ever for that matter. Maybe they were watching the player for risk assessment and/or security reasons. Could have been any number of reasons, including the fact that they may have been hoping to make some money back from him. Whatever, why does it matter? The fact that a thug gets away with his thuggery for a while does not absolve him of said thuggishness.

 

[gagamel]

I`m shocked. I believed bsilva.
Now I have to see that I was totally wrong. My apologies to all I possibly insulted.
I can`t believe it. A long time member and webmaster is a fraudster.
But I learned my lesson and will be more sceptical in the future. Above all I understand now some long time members here, who question everything and don`t give confidence in words only.

 

[rena35]

Very sad Christmas Eve indeed gl getting customers Virtual.

 

[maxd]

But I learned my lesson and will be more sceptical in the future.

Don't feel too bad, I've been in the business since 1998 and I still get burned once in a while. I started doing the PABs in 2007 and since then I've learned to work by this one rule: proof keeps everything friendly. No proof means it's just opinion and opinions are very, very cheap indeed.

 

[wigan rl]

Recommend you chill a bit Bill.

She's posting that stuff in ATB as a courtesy to us and our forums. She'd asked if that was appropriate based on advice from a senior forum member, US issues in the US issues forum and so forth. No conspiracy nor disrespect intended.



Why is that "the question"? A casino may not pick up on a player's subterfuge for some time. And when they do they are under no obligation to act on it, then or ever for that matter. Maybe they were watching the player for risk assessment and/or security reasons. Could have been any number of reasons, including the fact that they may have been hoping to make some money back from him. Whatever, why does it matter? The fact that a thug gets away with his thuggery for a while does not absolve him of said thuggishness.

Under no obligation no but they should!

10 accounts is very extreme and should have been picked up on imo but like you said maybe they wanted to make some money back off him

 

[hakapuku]

Multiple accounts at Virtual Group where one feels lucky if he is paid 1 of 10 withdrawals? Hmmm...

 

[chuchu59]

I`m shocked. I believed bsilva.
Now I have to see that I was totally wrong. My apologies to all I possibly insulted.
I can`t believe it. A long time member and webmaster is a fraudster.
But I learned my lesson and will be more sceptical in the future. Above all I understand now some long time members here, who question everything and don`t give confidence in words only.

The writing was on the wall but in true Christmas spirit you chose to believe a fellow member and that's perfectly ok.

I never thought I'd see the day when Virtual points an accusing finger at a player and actually succeeds. They may have redeemed themselves on this occasion but they must try to correct all their past rogue behavior to be dipitified. They had a glorious chance to come good several years ago when Marty Davis started to look into all dubious cases but they just couldn't sustain the huge payouts. Seriously, I retain my doubts.