I only argue back when some idiot starts calling me out for something untrue.Look, take it up with sttaff ( well, you wont)
you argue, because, frankly, you want to argue, and will find any cause to argue, because you want a cause to argue
Have at it
I'm too tired to argue with trolls
Relax is owned by Kindred(Unibet,32Red)Crikey! cool down peeps, it's a pretty basic, straightforward and resolvable point!
Right, Relax Gaming (who BTG still use as their platform) certainly do offer variable RTPs for their games, but not as low in range as Netent/PNG. They just tend to be a 50% higher house edge variant (which means 94% player RTP as opposed to the factory 96%) and that's true of Pragmatic Play and NLC and Push Gaming as well. So this applies to Relax and any smaller developers they have that actually do this. Then consider Relax are now part of WMS-SG-Light & Wonder who also have numerous developer names within their fold of which many offer variants too. BTG as far as I am aware from the game sheets that I have seen still don't offer lower versions although I think it's only a matter of time.
EDIT - P.S. Yes, there are clearly different versions of Bonanza (we know this anyway from the 'version code' in the game files) but they all have the same RTP. Why this is, I cannot say for sure but I'd suggest that being the main bed of Megaways feedback Bonanza would be ideal to 'tinker' with, not necessarily at the behest of the casino or platform but the developer. If you remember, one of the earlier observations about the game was the fact you couldn't get max ways in the bonus, which was changed for WWTBAM and other BTG Megaways since, including the most recent Max Megaways slot. We know the version SkyVegas and some other casinos used would never produce scatters in max ways spins for example, therefore giving more likelihood of bigger wins in their place.
As for NYX, they don't exist as such any more. NYX Open Group began in 1999 and were primarily a platform for Nextgen Gaming slots and others too, but are now owned by SG Digital/Light & Wonder as are Relax. So it's likely that if they haven't already, you'll be seeing a single platform not the both.
Baron Bloodmore and the Crimson Castle is a perfect example of this. It was released and I got my fair share of bonuses, as did the streamers I watch. Then it was removed from the market for a few weeks. Upon return, it played noticeably different, and I’ve only got one bonus since (although I’ve stopped playing it because of this). Noticed the same behaviour with streamers too. RTP didn’t change, but the hit rate did. It played very differently.Plenty of games get pulled due to errors in programming. It's not hard to believe that some errors might work in the favour of casino and developer, and not hard to believe it would just be left if it did.
That is why I posted because I have reached the stage, where I can no longer have any confidence in any Casino.
If you could see my gameplay for the last 6 months at all the Casinos I play, then you would see, the stark similarities.
This cannot be down to bad luck, it really can’t. I am not one to question things unless I have good reason to do so.
As for the variance being changed, I will absolutely guarantee you that Bonanza, DHV, Chilli and Millionaire, have all been altered.
Bonanza, to the degree where it’s unrecognisable from the original version. I used to have sessions on that, where I could regularly hit between 5 and 10 bonuses and come away with a decent win.
Now your lucky if you see one bonus in 1,000 spins and when you do it generally pays less than x100.
This is partly why I have posted this because I am done with online slotting. I am walking away from the turgid filthy industry that it has become.
It may not be anytime soon but one day the truth will come out about it all.
On a lot of games it’s as simple as the bonus buy is needed for the game to be somewhat playable. Bonus frequency has dwindled on most slots as they’ve become more HV, much of the RTP is in those bonuses. If you’re not hitting the bonus with any sort of regularity, you’re busting out. Simple as that.I have actually given up playing because the slots feel different, it's nigh on impossible to get ahead and game play is sooo predictable.
I do sometimes wonder if bonus buys have something to do with it. In the UK we have to grind it out, whilst everyone else can buy the bonus!
Either that or the slot providers/casino's are raking the money in before they hit and run from the UK.
Take a break Snorks
Hard to know whether to resent your VS shilling or, to be honest, quite in awe of it.I'd like to state that I used to harbour exactly the same thoughts as @snorky510238 - thinking online casinos were rigged in some way.
For weeks on end, if not months I used to lose repeatedly on sites like Sky Vegas, BGO, Rizk, Ladbrokes and so on. Disgusting luck time and time again, and this was in the days before RTP's started getting turned down in the face of increased taxes and harsher operating costs. Sky Vegas was probably the worst - limited range of slots, horrible website, awful promotions, shite customer service.
Then one day I found Videoslots and all my skepticism simply melted away - I just find it hard to actually lose money on VS. Fabulous site - always feel welcome when I play there. I hope my comments have added some balance to this thread.
Thanks for reading!
He's a master in passive aggressivenessI only argue back when some idiot starts calling me out for something untrue.
But yeah go ahead keep having your digs. Like you have done with several other members in this thread. Or are they all causing it and picking on sweet innocent little you for nothing.
And of course I won't take anything up with staff. Nothing to take up as does not bother me if someone that is obviosy having g a bad day wants to embarrass themselves and act like a complete idiot.
Think staff have better things to do. And unlike yourself I never have or never would wish to PM and tag staff for every minor little thing. Like being at primary school. Please miss Johnny said a bad word.
Yes, that's another point to remember for slotting - the game could be on 99.9% RTP and you'd still lose everything if you played long enough. Only more slowly. When a player states they wagered say 25k and lost then you need to ask at what point were they ahead, or what point could withdrawals have been made whereby the net RTP figure would have been higher and losses lower. I would call it 'withdrawal efficiency' or 'optimum bankroll management'. Of course, that in itself is speculative as it's always with hindsight a player can say when the best time to quit would have been, because at the time you do withdraw you have no idea if you could have won even more had you continued. So it only comes apparent when continuing leads to busting, then you check the history and game performance. That's why it's called 'gambling'...@snorky510238
What you should look at also is what you wagered for the 24k and loss of 3k compared to the 23k and loss of 6k
For example if you had wagered twice as much using the latter 23k then its no surprise mathematically that you lost twice as much, I'm not saying this is or was the case but its something else to look at.
You also have to factor in standard deviation maybe you was just running hotter ( better ) on the first 24k compared to the last 23k you certainly seemed to be running hot on bonanza 2 years ago for sure, as I and many others told you at the time.
I know you say your playing the same games as before but you also say your playing newer BTG slots and there has been some really much HV ones as late so that can also swing your results more violently, so again another potential "difference" to your overall results.
There is just too many variables at play to just accuse VS or any casino of dodgy dealings really, and as others have said if you really think that it is the case then you should do what you have said your going to do many times and just stop playing.
Players nowadays play HV slots and the amounts mentioned in this thread are IMHO(wihout knowing wagering etc) way way to low to be able to make that kind of conclusion the OP has made.I can't believe the amount of time RTP has been mentioned in this thread
Have I got it wrong OP or are we discussing how the game play is much shitter nowadays than before, regardless of RTP where some games have always had a static unchanged RTP.
It is like pushing shit uphill most days now, games before played better, talking non nerfed games where the payout is the same (or supposed to be ) as it has always been
Well, I think you are wrong and just a tinfoil.Let’s stop pissing about with fanciful ideas. I have been gambling for 45 years. I am old enough and experienced enough to know when I am being shafted and that is a prime example.
Players nowadays play HV slots and the amounts mentioned in this thread are IMHO(wihout knowing wagering etc) way way to low to be able to make that kind of conclusion the OP has made.
Whatever I write does not matter. You're obviously convinced that there is foul play. As you say; you have a feel for it..........But this is not the case
If you play most days for a few years you get a feel of what to expect, win, lose, draw, feature frequency, hit rate, etc etc etc, I could go on for ages.....
Then suddenly 2020 onwards or thereabouts, same games, no reduction in RTP, same deposit frequency, same stakes, same this that and the other BUT, BUT. BUT each and every session does not deliver anything like it used to more and faster bust outs, rarely any game time, again etc etc etc
We are TOLD that nothing has changed but when you have sat at the same traffic lights on the way to work for years and you know they take 60 seconds to change to green, then all of a sudden same traffic lights take twice as long....
Hard to explain over text and on a forum, I TOTALLY get where Snorky is coming from and sadly I think it will take an unblinkered seasoned player to see his point also.
Too many members on here (no offence to anyone at all) have been "conditioned" and even "slots groomed" over the years believing what they read as gospel, the industry is as crooked as a bag full of crooked things, dodgy as fuck and greed, pure GREED has made things go the way they have and it is also GREED which is the backbone in the creation of this thread.