Unfair MG tournaments 777 Blingfest and Supercash Accumulator(Royal Vegas group)

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Hi Folks,
My first post is a complaint and a warning to anyone who plays in the tourneys on the Royal vegas group of casinos
Royal Vegas
Vegas Towers
Vegas Villa
Vegas Palms
Fortune Room
Platinum Play
Desert Dollar
7 Sultans
All of the above casinos participate in the 777 BlingFest and Supercash Accumulator tournaments,both Loaded slot games.I have been a player on these casinos for several years and have become increasingly frustrated as to how unfair these tournaments are,im sure you would all agree that every player should have a equal amount of spins per starting game/continue to have a fair and equal chance of taking the top prizes.
Unfortunately due to the amount of coins awarded and time given on these tourneys this is not the case.An elite group of players are using some kind of cheat/hack or exploit and these people take the the top prize money every single time.
'gerardo800','gerry80','gualtiero003' (all these aliases are the same person)
'742fifi'
'neoded'
There are a couple more that escape my memory at the moment but will add at a later date.I used to keep the screenshots of each tourney for my numerous complaints to the support desk but wiped the recently as i was just banging my head against a brick wall as i could not understand how they could not see what was so obvious and wasted too much time,This is what has brought me to these forums so i can at least give some warning to other players.Microgaming are unable to discover what these players are doing to achieve their advantage.
I have seen the post regarding faster spins in tournaments and although a handy post for not having to mindlessly spam the space bar again it doesnt come close in bridging the massive advantage these players are having over the other 4 thousand in the supercash and 2500 players in the bling fest tourneys.
Bling fest tourneys 7 minute starting game 49000 coins,5 minute continue 35000 coins
Supercash 5 minute starting game 35000 coins,5 minute continue 35000 coins.
99.9% of players in these tournaments can only achieve 15 spins per minute at 500 coins per spin = 7500 coins per minute so providing you do not hit a feature you only just get through your coins with no more than 20 or 30 seconds remaining.When these players get features the remaining coins increase every time.
The aliases listed above achieve 19 or 20 spins per minute,this allows them to have features on their games and still get though as many coins as everyone else,even to the point of being able to take the 16 spin feature instead of 12 spins.
On 1 previous complaint a reply was 'it is yet to be seen whether these players are gaining an advantage by achieving this miraculous spin rate' well duh,how stupid can you get.The fact that they win every single tournament is somewhat of a giveaway.
Also i have noticed quite often how some of these players although they have purchased all their continues will purchase a rebuy at the end of the game to disguise the fact they finished with no coins,why would they do this if they are not playing fairly?
To anyone who plays in these tourneys you must notice how many people finish their games with 2,3,4 or more hundred thousand coins and other finish with none?This must ring alarm bells?
The most annoying this about the whole situation that simple increase in time given or a reduction in coins awarded per rebuy/continue would make the tourneys fair to every player and yet the amount of times i have suggested this it is ignored.
If you are annoyed as i am about the situation complain,if you cant be bothered to complain SAVE YOUR MONEY AND DONT SPEND IT ON THESE TOURNAMENTS AS YOU CAN NEVER WIN,
Every player who spends money on the supercash tourneys increases the prize pool,you just as well give it straight to the elite group of players via paypal and save yourself some time.
Also to add the same advantage applies to any other tournament of a different slot game that has a prize pool that merits these people spending time on jsu they are very rare on this casino group.
No doubt some of the people listed will read this post so i dare you to validate your advantage.
 
Yes, I have noticed something sniffy about those leaderboards I even dared to think that the winners may be 'house' players. Even on expert mode you would have trouble in playing that fast.
I don't go for tourneys any more.
 
There is no need to investigate, just ditch the time factor altogether as suggested by many players, and have players purchase a set number of coins per continue or rebuy.

One tip for the OP though, on such a long haul event with 100 continues, you need all the variance you can get in your favour. Forget about taking anything other than 12 spins x4 - when you get the lucky hit, it is worth more. On top of this, you are more likely to have more time to play off the remaining coins.

Another problem is that at the end of each session you carry over your coins, but when you have a dud session without features, you can't carry over the wasted time to use in a session with more than one feature.

The top player currently has 35000 coins, but this does not necessarily mean they have used all 100 continues and done a rebuy. He may want you to THINK this, whereas he has simply added a continue but held off playing it till the tournament is over.

A faster PC WILL give an advantage, as will a less laggy internet connection.


I am currently putting my brand new custom overclocked PC through it's paces, and this "select group" could be in for a nasty shock tomorrow;) Similar to the shock BIGZEDBUD got yesterday in the Slotsmeister:p:p


There is no need to "spam the spacebar" because of the new Autoplay feature, BUT I have noticed that "spamming the spacebar" can actually achieve a FASTER spin rate than the tournament autoplay. It's not much of a difference, but it could be enough to squeeze in an extra few spins each time.

During free spins, click on any winning outcome right away, this skips the countup and goes straight to the animation showing the winlines. This can save another few precious seconds.

Make sure that your internet connection isn't being used for anything else, so that the tournament client does not have to compete with other things. Even with a fast broadband, it could cause latency.


I have been looking into this for YEARS, as even those players having enough time does not explain the frequency of them getting the top scores. It is as though they have found a hack to buy more continues than the tournament allows. There is an error in the tournament client that suggests a possible vulnerabilty in this respect. Sometimes, after having bought a continue, the alternate "buy a continue" window pops up, offering a chance to buy another even though one has successfully been bought. Clicking OK gives a "failed to purchase an add on for unknown reason", however if this can be bypassed with a hack, it might be possible to buy two continues but only have one counted down from those available.

MGS should look into dealing with these client errors, as they suggest imperfections in the software that might be vulnerable to a hack.

If all play takes place on the servers, anything done by means of a hack to the client should not affect the outcome, but a recent case involving a "third party client" being used to place invalid bets was down to the fact that the casino relied on the client to perform the validation checks, and the server did NOT check whether a bet was valid, but assumed the client had.

The ONLY real way to guarantee a level playing field is to ensure that the speed of the PC being used makes no difference. 32Red run some freerolls, but set a huge amount of time to play relatively few coins. Most player are done in 5 minutes, yet are given 30 on the timer. EVERY player finishes with zero coins.

It is the same as with lobby games, a faster PC can spin the slots faster. The server response is governed by the latency of the connection between the two. Fibre broadband is likely to give an advantage over ADSL (except when you have gotten it from Virgin Media:mad:).

The ASA have reprimanded Virgin over it's "suitable for gaming" claim, which is untrue because of the packet loss, jitter, and ping delays, rather than the raw speed.

I have contacted Fortune Lounge before about this, but all I get is a "no problems our end" stock response, implying it is my PC, my ISP, or both, that causes "server lag" and the all too familiar "booting" from the tournaments.

It seems there is a reason for giving too little time for all but the select elite that outweighs the argument for giving plenty of time for everyone. I have even had the argument that extending the time allowed per session would not work because it would mean having to extend the overall time allowed for the tournement.

This is bullshit, and I made this view clear at the time. It does not matter if a whole day is given for each purchased continue, the tournament can still end at the scheduled time, and when all the coins are gone, the player can purchase an "out of coins" continue right away without having to wait out the remaining 23 hours and 50 minutes on the clock.

The promotional material does encourage players to use their tactical ability to outplay the others, and this is what the elite players are doing, nothing more. I can't see how there can be any viable tactic other than spin as fast as you can on max bet when time is so tight. If there was more time, players could choose which spin feature to take, lower bets when the slot seems to have gone cold, etc.

In theory, tournament slot spins can be made as fast as on the respective lobby slot, and this can vary widely depending on the power of the PC being used. I can't seem to get the tournament Loaded to spin at anything like the speed of the lobby one, yet there are "no problems out our end", nor can any reason for the tournament slots being so slow be found by the casino technical team.

Are we being fed BS by the casinos on this, as it seems these elite players have found a "pooper scooper" and cleaned up.
 
I was glad to see that fortune lounge are actually monitoring this site yet regarding the mention of a investigation i have heard it 10 or times before and the outcome as usual will be 'we cannot find any wrongdoing by any players'.The fact is that if a small group of players are achieving 33% more spins per minute than the majority the tournaments will never be fair.I understand the comments by Vinyl regarding Isp and latency and not to have other programs running but these are obvious things that if you are risking your money on these tournaments you dont want to risk things screwing it up as just a extra spin here and there can make the difference.
Over several years of playing tourneys over the whole microgaming network both the network and the private tourneys to various casinos if i dont get a feature i have 1 minute or sometimes much more time remaining at the end which allows players who hit a free spins to take full advantage of it.
This is where the Fortune lounge group tournament set up is flawed,by awarding such a high amount of coins they are allowing people to gain a massive advantage by means such as overclocking and perhaps yet undiscovered means.Just changing the continue play time from 5 minutes to 6 minutes completely nullifys any risk of a cheat or exploit and the time spent in a so called investigation to be even needed.The majority of people who play in the tournaments are not clued up in overclocking and changing your pc/system to accomodate gaining these advantages
I should be able to log in to the casino with out altering my computer in any way and have a equal chance as anyone else in the tournament,as it stands i could have a 300k starting game in the loaded tournament and still be beaten by the super spinners as over the course of 50 or 100 continues they end up having 1200 to 1500 more spins than me,its happened already and that was the day i gave up wasting money on these tourneys.
Thanks to Vinylweatherman for your comments,just a couple of things to note.
Ping 21 ms
Download speed 31 Mbps
Upload speed 1Mbps.
Thats my current status,i have played these tourneys on double those speeds at a friends with no noticable difference.
And also 2mbps download with no difference between any of them,However fortune lounge have also tried with me to pass on the massive difference in the super spins to mine based on ISP and proximity to the server which i know is total crap as i have tested all scenarios.
Your mention of the continue coins of the current supercash tourney in play i understand,my reference was to the 777 blingfest,as the gerry/gerardo clan i have seen him post his score then purchase a rebuy(49000 coins) (continue is 35000)he does this tactic virtually everytime so as previously mentioned why would someone do this unless they were trying to hide something?
I have watched these players in play and timed them while seeing their coins decrease,they do indeed get 20 spins per minute,i do not think that they are manipulating the amount of continues in any way ot the coin size,why would they need to when getting that amount of spins.
I am baffled why the fortune lounge group would not want their tourneys to be fair to all players.The silly thing is that im sure there are probably hundreds more players who have noticed the same thing and therefore do not invest anymore and if they knew they had a equal chance of winning the fortune lounge group would take considerably more money each tournament and players who get the great starting game would know they have agreat chance rather than no chance.
 
I was glad to see that fortune lounge are actually monitoring this site yet regarding the mention of a investigation i have heard it 10 or times before and the outcome as usual will be 'we cannot find any wrongdoing by any players'.The fact is that if a small group of players are achieving 33% more spins per minute than the majority the tournaments will never be fair.I understand the comments by Vinyl regarding Isp and latency and not to have other programs running but these are obvious things that if you are risking your money on these tournaments you dont want to risk things screwing it up as just a extra spin here and there can make the difference.
Over several years of playing tourneys over the whole microgaming network both the network and the private tourneys to various casinos if i dont get a feature i have 1 minute or sometimes much more time remaining at the end which allows players who hit a free spins to take full advantage of it.
This is where the Fortune lounge group tournament set up is flawed,by awarding such a high amount of coins they are allowing people to gain a massive advantage by means such as overclocking and perhaps yet undiscovered means.Just changing the continue play time from 5 minutes to 6 minutes completely nullifys any risk of a cheat or exploit and the time spent in a so called investigation to be even needed.The majority of people who play in the tournaments are not clued up in overclocking and changing your pc/system to accomodate gaining these advantages
I should be able to log in to the casino with out altering my computer in any way and have a equal chance as anyone else in the tournament,as it stands i could have a 300k starting game in the loaded tournament and still be beaten by the super spinners as over the course of 50 or 100 continues they end up having 1200 to 1500 more spins than me,its happened already and that was the day i gave up wasting money on these tourneys.
Thanks to Vinylweatherman for your comments,just a couple of things to note.
Ping 21 ms
Download speed 31 Mbps
Upload speed 1Mbps.
Thats my current status,i have played these tourneys on double those speeds at a friends with no noticable difference.
And also 2mbps download with no difference between any of them,However fortune lounge have also tried with me to pass on the massive difference in the super spins to mine based on ISP and proximity to the server which i know is total crap as i have tested all scenarios.
Your mention of the continue coins of the current supercash tourney in play i understand,my reference was to the 777 blingfest,as the gerry/gerardo clan i have seen him post his score then purchase a rebuy(49000 coins) (continue is 35000)he does this tactic virtually everytime so as previously mentioned why would someone do this unless they were trying to hide something?
I have watched these players in play and timed them while seeing their coins decrease,they do indeed get 20 spins per minute,i do not think that they are manipulating the amount of continues in any way ot the coin size,why would they need to when getting that amount of spins.
I am baffled why the fortune lounge group would not want their tourneys to be fair to all players.The silly thing is that im sure there are probably hundreds more players who have noticed the same thing and therefore do not invest anymore and if they knew they had a equal chance of winning the fortune lounge group would take considerably more money each tournament and players who get the great starting game would know they have agreat chance rather than no chance.

Welcome to the forum :)

Would you mind putting some paragraphs and spaces in your posts please? It's almost impossible to read them. You will get more responses etc if you do.
 
Those tournaments have been unfair ever since they started.
There have been alot of threads about this in the past already, including some of mine, and nothing has ever been done to make them more fair, not by Microgaming, not by the casinos.
Its true, its always the same small elitegroup winning them, some of those players having tons of aliases, but MG simply doesnt give a sh*t.

Just do as I did years ago, quit playing those tourneys, as they are a total waste of time and money.
Unless you have a top of the shelve monster-PC, you dont stand a chance.

If they only deleted that bloody timer....:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Those tournaments have been unfair ever since they started.
There have been alot of threads about this in the past already, including some of mine, and nothing has ever been done to make them more fair, not by Microgaming, not by the casinos.
Its true, its always the same small elitegroup winning them, some of those players having tons of aliases, but MG simply doesnt give a sh*t.

Just do as I did years ago, quit playing those tourneys, as they are a total waste of time and money.
Unless you have a top of the shelve monster-PC, you dont stand a chance.

If they only deleted that bloody timer....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's even worse. Not only did MGS "not give a sh*t", they actually changed the rules to allow players to compete with multiple aliases.

When they first came out, there was a strict one alias across the entire MGS network. I created "vinylweatherman", and I had to use this one alias at every MGS casino offering the tournaments. There was a central system that enforced this, so that after creating my alias, even when logged on to a completely independent operator's MGS casino, I found the registration page detected that I already had a network alias, and made me use it. Only by giving false information could this be circumvented to play multiple aliases. I also noticed that the tournaments were a good deal faster, approaching the kinds of speeds seen in the lobby games. They started with one game, the original Tomb Raider. It was slow as hell on my old Windows 98 PC, so I bought a new one off Dell, and could play at almost a spin per second. Now a mere 20 spins per minute has players saying "how the hell can they do it".

Clearly, along the way MGS fixed something that wasn't broke, and this resulted in the latter years of slow tournament play, and the notorious "server lag" complaints which players with half decent PCs and connections were seeing. The other unbroken thing that MGS fixed was the removal of the central one alias over the network rule. Now any player can have a separate alias per individual casino.

For Fortune Lounge, this means a player can legitimately have up to EIGHT different aliases, and thus EIGHT separate entries in the Blingfest of Supercash. This of course means more money for the operators, as in most cases the prize fund remained the same, no wonder players who rock the boat by calling for a return to one alias per player across the network are getting the brush off.

As for the number of spins players can make, it makes no difference to the operator, they still get the money for the 100 continues from these determined players. In fact, if these players felt they had lost their edge they might give up playing altogether.

There are two ways to combat this:-

1) Bang your head against the MGS brick wall till it bleeds, the current method that has been in use for several years, but hasn't really gotten us far.

2) Find out how EVERYBODY can gain the same advantage, and thus level the playing field.


Some wandering around Google has offered up some interesting possibilities, and I have been researching a few of them recently. They are designed as "cheats" for online games like World of Warcraft, and have become such a problem that the game developers have been looking at measures to combat the exploits. There are cheats that, for example, allow you to look through, even shoot through, barriers such as walls. This is an obvious advantage as the enemy can't even see you, let alone shoot back. One class of cheat however seems to have applications outside of such gaming. An example is "Speed Gear". It is an overclocker for the OS, and acts by speeding up or slowing down the Windows environment. It is used in game battles, mainly to slow down the action so that the user has more time to plan and react. Another use though, is to speed up the more mundane aspects, such as moving from one location to another, or "warping" in the gamer community. In the Blingfest, "warping" would of course be getting 20 spins per minute instead of 15.

Unfortunately, many of these applications introduce instabilities into the OS, and this can result in permanent degradation even after the application is switched off and removed. They are either coded carelessly, or they are being used as a "Trojan Horse" to deliver malware to PCs, luring victims through the "superhuman" powers conferred when gaming online.

Other possibilities are that these players are not even using Windows PCs at all, but are using something based on Linux and an embedded emulator for running Windows software. They may have been able to apply tweaks in Linux that affect the emulated Windows environment, but without screwing up their entire OS as seems likely on a Windows PC.

If you have a spare PC, try loading it with "Speed Gear" and then the Royal Vegas casino. Try some experiments to see whether it is possible to get a setup that gives a faster spin rate, yet remains stable enough to enable the tournament to function properly long term. You might not need much of a tweak, and you are "hacking" the OS, not the casino client. This could give you the performance of a blisteringly fast overclocked PC, but without the price tag.

I have found it works, but stability is a problem, and it may mess up your chances by crashing during play. It may require a deep clean of the OS, or reinstall of the casino, even the entire OS!


I ended up just buying an overclocked custom PC just in time to still get Windows 7, but running 4 Intel cores at around 4GHz:D It also came sans crapware - it wasn't from Dell this time:p
 
As expected some of the mentioned names are closely watching this thread.

6 hours before the supercash tourney finished this was one of the players scores.

gualtiero003 3,419,320 : coins remaining 35000(rebuy)

After tournament completion

gualtiero003 3,419,320 : coins remaining 208000(rebuy +5 continues letting the time tick down on the first 4 continues after playing just 1 spin) What a arse!
This yet again to try to hide the superspin rate.
Names to add to this group
nervrv 35000 coins remaining(rebuy)
sobnerv
101bertoldo also done a similiar thing with rebuy and continues at the end i suspect.

Fortune lounge ,i hope you are still taking note of this thread and finally implement some changes to put an end to this behaviour.
the players buying rebuys and not playing them after finishing all their continues proves without doubt that they are hiding something.

1 minute increase in continue time or a reduction of 5000 coins per continue and the whole issue is resolved.Your argument that has been given before regarding affecting the length of the tournament has no validity whatsoever with such small changes.
 
As expected some of the mentioned names are closely watching this thread.

6 hours before the supercash tourney finished this was one of the players scores.

gualtiero003 3,419,320 : coins remaining 35000(rebuy)

After tournament completion

gualtiero003 3,419,320 : coins remaining 208000(rebuy +5 continues letting the time tick down on the first 4 continues after playing just 1 spin) What a arse!
This yet again to try to hide the superspin rate.
Names to add to this group
nervrv 35000 coins remaining(rebuy)
sobnerv
101bertoldo also done a similiar thing with rebuy and continues at the end i suspect.

Fortune lounge ,i hope you are still taking note of this thread and finally implement some changes to put an end to this behaviour.
the players buying rebuys and not playing them after finishing all their continues proves without doubt that they are hiding something.

1 minute increase in continue time or a reduction of 5000 coins per continue and the whole issue is resolved.Your argument that has been given before regarding affecting the length of the tournament has no validity whatsoever with such small changes.

You got him!

This happens because when playing on a rebuy, the score shows the maximum ever attained, rather than that for the current entry. He could have been playing and the score would not move.

What it DOES show is that after having managed to spin fast enough to use almost all the coins, he took measures to hide the evidence that went beyond the usual single rebuy.

The alternative explanation is that he had such a feature rich session the second time around that he barely used the bought coins. This of course begs the question why didn't he ram this advantage home by taking this start into a first place on the remaining continues.

They may be doing nothing wrong, but clearly they think they are, so are taking measures to mask it.

Part of the problem is too little information being displayed so that players can see how many continues or rebuys a player has used, but too MUCH information with respect to showing the remaining coins, which can create speculation as to whether or not cheating is involved.

Apart from this, have you tried Speed Gear, or something similar to see if you can join them. It's cheaper than spending £2K on a fast custom PC, which is how I did it:D

As it stands, the fast "gaming" PCs give an advantage over the "off the shelf" kit one sees in Currys and Tesco for under a grand.


Looking at the final scores, it would appear that the top positions have been taken by players with loads of coins left over, with the "zero coins brigade" booking losses on the attempt. However, if they have been adding a few continues just to disguise the fact, this explains why it now looks as though they didn't gain much of an advantage. Still, you have made them spend an extra $25 each by raising this issue again, so a small victory perhaps.


We will know next month whether Fortune Lounge have done anything about it, or merely brushed the complaint aside. They may not be able to make changes to the next Blingfest, as this is often weekly, not monthly.

There must be a formula used to calculate time and coins for individual slots, but it is obviously inaccurate in terms of working out the time the average player needs to play a set number of coins. The formula seems to work to a spin rate that is unattainable for most, but this elite group have found a way to attain the spin rate used in the formula. Perhaps they have all bought (or built) an expensive gaming rig and then overclocked it.

If instead thay have used Speed Gear, they had better get used to reinstalling Windows on a regular basis:p

I suspect the formula works to players being able to make one spin every 3/4 seconds. This should be easily attainable with MGS software, even on the crappiest of PCs. The problem is that the tournament slots seem to have more overhead than those in the lobby, and so they run significantly slower than the lobby slots even at the very highest settings (sound off, nothing else running on the same PC, no major load on the LAN, etc)
 
Fortune Lounge ? Any news on your investigation?

gualtiero takes 2nd in the bling fest and 3rd place in the festive freeroll,as per usual the top players in these 2 tourneys finished with less remaining coins than everyone else.

To anyone who is interested in this thread please keep watch on the forthcoming results as the names mentioned since my first post will show up often
 
How exactly would a casino using bots gain an advantage as none-paying bots would need to be around 100% of the entries?, unless ofc you mean casinos have a way of changing the slots RTP.

An unlikely theory, but the casino's persistent refusal to take this issue seriously tends to lend credibilty to such theories. For players, the issue is "bleedin' obvious" as one look at the scoreboard and a bit of simple maths should demonstrate.

Whilst in the short term the advantage is not all that obvious, over the long term there is a considerable advantage. It is all down to probabilities, as the more coins played, the more probable it is that the player will achieve a top score.

What will happen is that many players who don't have the advantage will quit, and those that do will no longer have such a big prize pool to aim for. This will again lead to a slump in popularity of MPV, which in turn will lead to a rash of cancelled tournaments.

The prize pool for the Blingfest has been cut dramatically, it used to be $5000, with a top prize of $3000 and second of $1500.

FL repeated the mistake again with the festive tournament, and their inaction has led to a fresh batch of evidence that a small group of players have an advantage that the others don't.

Why is is so hard to level the playing field for these tournaments? It is as though the unfairness is INTENTIONAL by design.
 
Bling Fest end date 17th december

1st : gualtiero003 remaining coins 49000(rebuy) /sigh

As expected, fortune lounge continue to do nothing except for encouraging cheating
 
On the topic of tournaments I think RTG is going to give MG a run for the money. No autoplay for RTG which is a negative especially for the slotocash tournies but on average the tourney time is longer and without features one gets to play all the coins before the time is up. In addition, if coins are used up the remaining time is added to the subsequent add-on which is useful if the features appear. For MG, if you get a really good session in a continue you wont be able to use up all your coins within the allotted time.
 
Bling Fest end date 17th december

1st : gualtiero003 remaining coins 49000(rebuy) /sigh

As expected, fortune lounge continue to do nothing except for encouraging cheating

The investigation was filed in the waste paper basket. Since this was an FL tournament, not an MGS network one, FL has full powers to make changes, but they decided to keep the status quo, which suits the players with the top of the range kit, and means those with lesser equipment are at a disadvantage, and shouldn't bother wasting their money.

I notice though that the second festive tournament was cancelled at 6am on the day. This had nothing to do with too few players, as it was part of their Christmas calendar event, and despite being cancelled, was STILL being the "gift" that was awarded.

Your gift of the day - free entry to a cancelled MPV tournament - Scrooge still lives!!!
 

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