ATTN: Casino Rep Rizk Race is currently extremely unfair and the same player wins literally every single time.

Sebastian - Rizk

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Thank you a lot for removing those games! I finally did morning race again earlier today and... Ari won again. He's now playing "African Simba" by greentube (same that makes Always Hot Deluxe). I think all of greentube & merkur (same that makes Multi Supreme 81) games have the gamble feature which means that you can control your loss streaks 100% and make sure that all your wins get the 300-point bonus. So if I could ask for one last favour, it would just be to consider making green tube & merkur games unavailable for Rizk Race since the gamble feature makes you unstoppable. And I can't play them myself either to compete with him because all of green tubes and merkurs games are restricted in Sweden (and probably a lot of other countries) :(

Thanks again for removing the other 2, it was impressive how fast it happened!

Hi @PetraPool! First of all, I will not discuss any specific players here due to obvious reasons. For anyone reading this and not familiar with Rizk Races, the leaderboards for each race are public for anyone who has opted in to the race. Although I appreciate your willingness to help out and make sure the races are fair, I can assure you that our casino team at Rizk keep an eye on and even restrict players who are trying to play against the rules or abusing the races.

Secondly, what you said about Merkur & Greentube games and gamble features is simply not true. General Rizk Race feedback & questions however, is more than welcome in this thread. :) We are working on making the races more exciting and any improvement suggestions (in this thread, via PM to me or to our customer support team) are very much appreciated. :thumbsup:
 

SlotGrinder

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I'm rooting for Ari in this one :laugh: The guy is unstoppable

Seriously tho - any game where you can gamble every win you can make sure to lose (activating the 3 losses in a row bonus) or gamble until the win equals 10x and get the bonus points for that

Not sure how you can continue to allow games that have this
 

4048

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I'm rooting for Ari in this one :laugh: The guy is unstoppable

Seriously tho - any game where you can gamble every win you can make sure to lose (activating the 3 losses in a row bonus) or gamble until the win equals 10x and get the bonus points for that

Not sure how you can continue to allow games that have this

I don't think banning Book of Dead from any sort of race would be a good investment.

I've never tried a Rizk race myself but I have joined many a casumo reel race and gamble really dind't help much. Maybe that changes when you add the 3 loss in a row bonus, but the big points will still be in the mega win category (the largest one, can't remember amount required).
 

Borgie

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I don't think banning Book of Dead from any sort of race would be a good investment.

I've never tried a Rizk race myself but I have joined many a casumo reel race and gamble really dind't help much. Maybe that changes when you add the 3 loss in a row bonus, but the big points will still be in the mega win category (the largest one, can't remember amount required).

If this is correct then Ari should stop winning all the races:)
 

SlotGrinder

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I don't think banning Book of Dead from any sort of race would be a good investment.

I've never tried a Rizk race myself but I have joined many a casumo reel race and gamble really dind't help much. Maybe that changes when you add the 3 loss in a row bonus, but the big points will still be in the mega win category (the largest one, can't remember amount required).

Casumo has a different points structure and it doesn't award any bonus for a string of losses . But anyway you won't win a book of dead race on there without gambling a lot of your wins to 30x for the 100 point bonus

On rizk it's this

+10 points
Every win

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+30 points

3 wins in a row

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+40 points

3 losses in a row

+300 points
Big wins (minimum 10x your original bet)

You can't control how many win spins you get but by using the gamble constantly you polarise your spins between 3 losses in a row (40 points bonus) or a 10x win (300 points bonus) This will always beat someone just spinning normally with no use of gamble
 

PetraPool

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Hi @PetraPool! First of all, I will not discuss any specific players here due to obvious reasons. For anyone reading this and not familiar with Rizk Races, the leaderboards for each race are public for anyone who has opted in to the race. Although I appreciate your willingness to help out and make sure the races are fair, I can assure you that our casino team at Rizk keep an eye on and even restrict players who are trying to play against the rules or abusing the races.

Secondly, what you said about Merkur & Greentube games and gamble features is simply not true. General Rizk Race feedback & questions however, is more than welcome in this thread. :) We are working on making the races more exciting and any improvement suggestions (in this thread, via PM to me or to our customer support team) are very much appreciated. :thumbsup:

I think you completely misunderstood me :p The point wasn't that anything should be done about Ari, I have nothing against him and I absolutely in no way think he should be banned for picking the best strategy. He's just being smart, my point was not anything against him, my point was that it's unfair that he has access to the best games due to where he lives. I was just referring to him by his name because I don't know what else to call him.

"Secondly, what you said about Merkur & Greentube games and gamble features is simply not true." Okay? I've played like 20 merkur games and they all have the same gamble feature. Which merkur game doesn't have it?
 

PetraPool

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Casumo has a different points structure and it doesn't award any bonus for a string of losses . But anyway you won't win a book of dead race on there without gambling a lot of your wins to 30x for the 100 point bonus

On rizk it's this

+10 points
Every win

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meter-star.svg
meter-star.svg
+30 points

3 wins in a row

meter-skull.svg
meter-skull.svg
meter-skull.svg
+40 points

3 losses in a row

+300 points
Big wins (minimum 10x your original bet)

You can't control how many win spins you get but by using the gamble constantly you polarise your spins between 3 losses in a row (40 points bonus) or a 10x win (300 points bonus) This will always beat someone just spinning normally with no use of gamble
This is exactly my point. And right now, the only gamble-games available are restricted in a lot of countries... Just gotta emphasize it one more time, I have nothing against Ari. My point was just that it's unfair that users who are in the wrong country cannot ever win a race.
 

Peluri

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Rizk races, fun and honest! Well, this post will be long.. very long because whole Rizk evening main races are in a need of statistical and mathematical explanation from Rizk or someone who can do it. First I'd say that person who points out "Ari" is forgetting many other players.. those who have been dominating 120€ races because finding out perfect strategy to play those. Winning strategy. "Ari" has been winning just a few of those.. mainly last week, but somehow forgets "Kenneth", "Alexander" and "Erik". Last one was dominant player before "Ari".. those races are winnable by playing "right" which has been explained here already. No foul play there. That's for 99% certain.

My interest for Rizk Races started last November when I began to follow more closely how these go.. Yes, I also first noticed these smaller races, but learned pretty fast how these work. I was Rizk VIP member a Year ago.. I entered many of these races and lost my VIP status because of it.. first they also banned me to take part all races, but I complained and they let me after that continue. Till October I thought everything is fine with Rizk Races, but then everything changed. Race prize structure changed to be weighted heavily for first place. Second and third also get something, but after that only "pennies". Also wager for those races went up; 0,5-2€.. before that it was 0,4€ so very "nice" for the players.. naturally first prize was higher after that change, but other place prizes went sour.

Also races itself changed.. before those races were for specific games; everyone played same game. After changing race games were open which lead these cumulative winnings at "open races". I did e-mail Rizk at beginning of November asking about that "how same names can win all the time?" Rizk answered me that "someone could be just so lucky.." In the middle of November I openly asked if Rizk is using bots or "house players" to get first places.. Like I already said that those prizes are heavily weighted towards first place so now You only need to have number one to have most of prize money... I also asked if Rizk could send me a few weeks winning lists because same names were winning just too often.

Rizk refused to send me those lists "personal info are cared and can not be shared". Those "names" have been visible for a couple of days after every race so it was already public information for everyone to see.. I then asked if Rizk could send me winners without names.. just giving them numbers or letters.. just me to get statistical information how winnings differ and how they cumulate. No, even that wasn't possible.

Ok. I have those messages in my e-mail box. They are in Finnish. (By the way, I am not "Ari", disclaimer)

In December Rizk had some issues with those public race winners and a couple of weeks those were off line. I thought then that now they have noticed being under scrutiny.. and just keep races without giving out results to everyone to see. That problem was later fixed and results brought back. Then Year changed and I got mid January banned from those races, again, and this time without any explaining.. I asked several times explanation.. no, only "your account has been race restricted due to a management decision". I had breached no rules, had no bonuses as Rizk usually doesn't give any bonuses, had only played money and Super Spins races.. which was later The Reason to ban me. I am now at Rizk level 1235 so had played a lot there.. and not just races.. but notably not enough.

At this point, with this info, Rizk rep here already probably knows who I am and can confirm that I am not "Ari".

Anyway my interest around winners at Rizk hasn't changed by the time nor after race bans.. I have questions for Rizk and I hope that Rizk will provide publicly here answers. I hope that You also give numbers and explain them.

I have been playing online casinos now for 20 Years. Started 1999. I know how Rizk races works. I understand variance. I also understand that luck can have streaks.. but these Rizk races at evenings with 500-2000€ prizes at 20/21/22 o'clock (Helsinki time zone) with continued, cumulative, same winners weeks after weeks goes over my head! I point out that this anomaly started after new wager/prize -structure October. Before that I see no problems.. Here are last couple of weeks podiums:

11.1. Vikings: Tom, Wiebren, Mira

Twin Spin: Guido, Melanie, Alexander

Vikings: Heiner, Manu, Håvard


12.1. Great Rhino: Alexander, Robert, Marjut

Eastern Emeralds: Kurt, Christer, Nicole


13.1 Vikings go Bezerk: Oliver, Dalibor, Osmo

Jack Hammer: Sylvio, Carlo, Joonas


14.1. Finn Swirly: Sylvio, Petra, Michael

Hot Spin: Kira, Carina, Christer


15.1. Wolf Gold: Tom, Jarmo, Christoph

Moon Princess: Oliver, Mandy, Quang


16.1. Rice of Olympos: Lars, Nicole, Magali

Vikings go Bezerk: Heiner, Tom, Andreas


17.1. ----


18.1. Gonzo: Michelle, Mimmi, Arto

Twin Spin: Tom, Pauli, Mikael

Sakura: Kira, Fabian, Wiebren


19.1. Great Rhino: Sylvio, Andreas, Michael

Emeralds: Oliver, Tristan, Mona


20.1. Vikings go Bezerk: Michelle, Guido, Julia

Jack Hammer: Ralf, Nicole, Oliver


21.1. Finn Swirly: Kurt, Oliver, Felix

Raging Rex: Sylvio, Mandy, Mimmi


22.1. Wolf Gold: Heiner, Steffen, Christer

Moon Princess: Kira, Nancy, Kevin


23.1. Golden Fish Tank: Oliver, Tedh, Kaisa

Golden Fish Tank: Tom, Fabian, Sylvio


24.1. Valley of Gods: Guido, Oliver, Cristian

Valley of Gods: Felix, Ralf, Alexander

Valley of Gods: Michelle, Sylvio, Tedh


25.1. Vikings go Bezerk: Nancy, Petra, Kimi

Vikings go Bezerk: Oliver, Manue, Marju

Vikings go Bezerk: Mandy, Håvard, Kylie


26.1. Hanzos Dojo: Satu, NIels, Jari

Hanzos Dojo: Guido, Kurt, Miro

Hanzos Dojo: Kevin, Håvard, Jani


27.1. Vikings go Bezerk: Sylvio, Nancy, Ismo

Jack Hammer: Oliver, Tristan, Helgi


28.1. Finn Swirly: Felix, Fabian, Janne

Wild Falls: Heiner, Kevin, Christoph


29.1. Wolf Gold: Sylvio, Oliver, Michael


These are solely main races. Those which are "for the money". These games are all "for luck" so there is no system, no possibility to play different or better points giving game. Still some players have continued luck. Just too good to be true say I. How is that possible? How You explain this? How games ,with luck factor, just four "players" can win half of the races!? All the time!?

40 races, Sylvio 6 wins, Oliver 5 wins, Heiner 4 wins, Tom 4 wins, Guido 3 wins, Michelle 3 wins, Kira 2 wins, Felix 2 wins, Kurt 2 wins

Sylvio and Heiner have been winning months. I say winning and in this it means number one in good paying money races. Also Tom and Heiner have been get go from first week after changes. Yes, it is possible that they just have good luck, but what is possibility to that continue for months? Astronomical? Without getting banned because winning or playing too much races? Bots? House players? Atleast Rizk have been letting them play without any restrictions..

It would be nice to get publicly these five "best luck" players stats from last three Months.. from Super Spin races, from 120€ races and most of all from main races.. I know that those are staggering!

Like I said in one of my e-mails to Rizk when I brought up to them my suspicious.. that this case interests me very, very much because players can cheat but players can also be cheated. Which case here is more likely?

I was going to keep on getting more data before asking, but now noted that Rizk races were brought up here and discussion was going on wrong tracks. Rizk rep answering online and asking info/questions from players made me hurry up now.. and now publicly hope to get answers. With numbers.. one believes when sees..

If not too easy to let go these winners.. there is also odd game play. Winning results are almost every time, when when suspected "house player" wins, are over the top! Second is atleast 10% behind.. usually even more. Sometimes almost 50%. In these races there is always over hundred players.. and always same players win.. and almost always point difference is just too wildly spread.

Before sending me and my writings to looney tunes and making me bitter crazy fool.. I prompt You all to follow how those races are played by different players.. Get in now! Less than half an hour and then starts next one and Oliver is now one behind Sylvio's streak.. or is it Tom to win? Get in and follow how they play! How they play game by game play.. how they have fast/slow/stopped rounds and sometimes super fast accumulations.. (in games where that couldn't even happen) How races are won with huge points streak just before end.. and how same names are popping out day after day even there is over hundred players. Something has been rotten in these races from October..
 

PetraPool

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Rizk races, fun and honest! Well, this post will be long.. very long because whole Rizk evening main races are in a need of statistical and mathematical explanation from Rizk or someone who can do it. First I'd say that person who points out "Ari" is forgetting many other players.. those who have been dominating 120€ races because finding out perfect strategy to play those. Winning strategy. "Ari" has been winning just a few of those.. mainly last week, but somehow forgets "Kenneth", "Alexander" and "Erik". Last one was dominant player before "Ari".. those races are winnable by playing "right" which has been explained here already. No foul play there. That's for 99% certain.

My interest for Rizk Races started last November when I began to follow more closely how these go.. Yes, I also first noticed these smaller races, but learned pretty fast how these work. I was Rizk VIP member a Year ago.. I entered many of these races and lost my VIP status because of it.. first they also banned me to take part all races, but I complained and they let me after that continue. Till October I thought everything is fine with Rizk Races, but then everything changed. Race prize structure changed to be weighted heavily for first place. Second and third also get something, but after that only "pennies". Also wager for those races went up; 0,5-2€.. before that it was 0,4€ so very "nice" for the players.. naturally first prize was higher after that change, but other place prizes went sour.

Also races itself changed.. before those races were for specific games; everyone played same game. After changing race games were open which lead these cumulative winnings at "open races". I did e-mail Rizk at beginning of November asking about that "how same names can win all the time?" Rizk answered me that "someone could be just so lucky.." In the middle of November I openly asked if Rizk is using bots or "house players" to get first places.. Like I already said that those prizes are heavily weighted towards first place so now You only need to have number one to have most of prize money... I also asked if Rizk could send me a few weeks winning lists because same names were winning just too often.

Rizk refused to send me those lists "personal info are cared and can not be shared". Those "names" have been visible for a couple of days after every race so it was already public information for everyone to see.. I then asked if Rizk could send me winners without names.. just giving them numbers or letters.. just me to get statistical information how winnings differ and how they cumulate. No, even that wasn't possible.

Ok. I have those messages in my e-mail box. They are in Finnish. (By the way, I am not "Ari", disclaimer)

In December Rizk had some issues with those public race winners and a couple of weeks those were off line. I thought then that now they have noticed being under scrutiny.. and just keep races without giving out results to everyone to see. That problem was later fixed and results brought back. Then Year changed and I got mid January banned from those races, again, and this time without any explaining.. I asked several times explanation.. no, only "your account has been race restricted due to a management decision". I had breached no rules, had no bonuses as Rizk usually doesn't give any bonuses, had only played money and Super Spins races.. which was later The Reason to ban me. I am now at Rizk level 1235 so had played a lot there.. and not just races.. but notably not enough.

At this point, with this info, Rizk rep here already probably knows who I am and can confirm that I am not "Ari".

Anyway my interest around winners at Rizk hasn't changed by the time nor after race bans.. I have questions for Rizk and I hope that Rizk will provide publicly here answers. I hope that You also give numbers and explain them.

I have been playing online casinos now for 20 Years. Started 1999. I know how Rizk races works. I understand variance. I also understand that luck can have streaks.. but these Rizk races at evenings with 500-2000€ prizes at 20/21/22 o'clock (Helsinki time zone) with continued, cumulative, same winners weeks after weeks goes over my head! I point out that this anomaly started after new wager/prize -structure October. Before that I see no problems.. Here are last couple of weeks podiums:

11.1. Vikings: Tom, Wiebren, Mira

Twin Spin: Guido, Melanie, Alexander

Vikings: Heiner, Manu, Håvard


12.1. Great Rhino: Alexander, Robert, Marjut

Eastern Emeralds: Kurt, Christer, Nicole


13.1 Vikings go Bezerk: Oliver, Dalibor, Osmo

Jack Hammer: Sylvio, Carlo, Joonas


14.1. Finn Swirly: Sylvio, Petra, Michael

Hot Spin: Kira, Carina, Christer


15.1. Wolf Gold: Tom, Jarmo, Christoph

Moon Princess: Oliver, Mandy, Quang


16.1. Rice of Olympos: Lars, Nicole, Magali

Vikings go Bezerk: Heiner, Tom, Andreas


17.1. ----


18.1. Gonzo: Michelle, Mimmi, Arto

Twin Spin: Tom, Pauli, Mikael

Sakura: Kira, Fabian, Wiebren


19.1. Great Rhino: Sylvio, Andreas, Michael

Emeralds: Oliver, Tristan, Mona


20.1. Vikings go Bezerk: Michelle, Guido, Julia

Jack Hammer: Ralf, Nicole, Oliver


21.1. Finn Swirly: Kurt, Oliver, Felix

Raging Rex: Sylvio, Mandy, Mimmi


22.1. Wolf Gold: Heiner, Steffen, Christer

Moon Princess: Kira, Nancy, Kevin


23.1. Golden Fish Tank: Oliver, Tedh, Kaisa

Golden Fish Tank: Tom, Fabian, Sylvio


24.1. Valley of Gods: Guido, Oliver, Cristian

Valley of Gods: Felix, Ralf, Alexander

Valley of Gods: Michelle, Sylvio, Tedh


25.1. Vikings go Bezerk: Nancy, Petra, Kimi

Vikings go Bezerk: Oliver, Manue, Marju

Vikings go Bezerk: Mandy, Håvard, Kylie


26.1. Hanzos Dojo: Satu, NIels, Jari

Hanzos Dojo: Guido, Kurt, Miro

Hanzos Dojo: Kevin, Håvard, Jani


27.1. Vikings go Bezerk: Sylvio, Nancy, Ismo

Jack Hammer: Oliver, Tristan, Helgi


28.1. Finn Swirly: Felix, Fabian, Janne

Wild Falls: Heiner, Kevin, Christoph


29.1. Wolf Gold: Sylvio, Oliver, Michael


These are solely main races. Those which are "for the money". These games are all "for luck" so there is no system, no possibility to play different or better points giving game. Still some players have continued luck. Just too good to be true say I. How is that possible? How You explain this? How games ,with luck factor, just four "players" can win half of the races!? All the time!?

40 races, Sylvio 6 wins, Oliver 5 wins, Heiner 4 wins, Tom 4 wins, Guido 3 wins, Michelle 3 wins, Kira 2 wins, Felix 2 wins, Kurt 2 wins

To your first point: You are right. I remember seeing eric and alexander win a couple too, just not as many as Ari when it comes to the €120 race. And I'm sure they use gamble-feature games too, you cannot physically win without it. Ari just became my scapegoat because he was winning every race except for like one leading up to my post and I think he would've won each one if he wasn't so adamant about hiding the game by playing bad games as soon as he got into top 5. But you are correct, there are a handful of them. Anyways my point wasn't that they weren't winnable, my point was that playing it "right" requires the right games and the games that Ari and Alexander etc play are not available to people in some countries. I'm not asking for all games to be banned, I'm asking that if 2-3 players are dominant while using a game that are not widely available, I think those games should be restricted at least until everyone can play them. Even if it sucks, I can totally accept that some games are must-play to win. But it annoys me when only a few players have access to these games.

And your second point is also very interesting. I noticed similar patterns but didn't think much of it because I typically don't pay too close attention to who is in the lead because I figured that you cannot do anything if everybody is playing the same game. Good work detective! :p
 

brianmon

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That's why I never play any of those 'races' at any casino.
They're all run in-house. So who's there to check everything's done properly.

It's the same with prize draws. who adjudicates them?
how do we know all the participants are included in the draw?
How do we know it's done randomly?
How do we know the draw even takes place?
 

CasinoNinja

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I like the races, but mostly only the main races as normally the slot selected is no gamble available.
I wish Casumo had the same and make it just a fun lottery instead of the gamble option.
 

lotusch

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This issue can be simply resolved, make a race with just 1 slot like Casumo and Videoslots do in their races and battles.
Obviously people are abusing the Rizk Race system by playing slots that give them an edge on the rest of the people who are restricted from playing these slots (Greentube / Merkur).
On Greentube slots it sometimes is very easy to gamble high up the ladder on a good streak.

So maybe Rizk should make the same slots available for everyone, any slots brand that is banned in certain countries should be banned for all players during the race.

If the race offers more slots to other players the race is simply dishonest and unfair.
 

SpinUk

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To your first point: You are right. I remember seeing eric and alexander win a couple too, just not as many as Ari when it comes to the €120 race. And I'm sure they use gamble-feature games too, you cannot physically win without it. Ari just became my scapegoat because he was winning every race except for like one leading up to my post and I think he would've won each one if he wasn't so adamant about hiding the game by playing bad games as soon as he got into top 5. But you are correct, there are a handful of them. Anyways my point wasn't that they weren't winnable, my point was that playing it "right" requires the right games and the games that Ari and Alexander etc play are not available to people in some countries. I'm not asking for all games to be banned, I'm asking that if 2-3 players are dominant while using a game that are not widely available, I think those games should be restricted at least until everyone can play them. Even if it sucks, I can totally accept that some games are must-play to win. But it annoys me when only a few players have access to these games.

And your second point is also very interesting. I noticed similar patterns but didn't think much of it because I typically don't pay too close attention to who is in the lead because I figured that you cannot do anything if everybody is playing the same game. Good work detective! :p

They banned the gamble wins on their race terms. Not sure when they did that.
 
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PetraPool

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This issue can be simply resolved, make a race with just 1 slot like Casumo and Videoslots do in their races and battles.
Obviously people are abusing the Rizk Race system by playing slots that give them an edge on the rest of the people who are restricted from playing these slots (Greentube / Merkur).
On Greentube slots it sometimes is very easy to gamble high up the ladder on a good streak.

So maybe Rizk should make the same slots available for everyone, any slots brand that is banned in certain countries should be banned for all players during the race.

If the race offers more slots to other players the race is simply dishonest and unfair.

Personally I like that some races allow you to play your favorite slot as long as the biggest races (the ones with £500 £1000) enforce a certain game. I just think they need to be a little more responsive when it comes to banning unstoppable games. And I'm happy that the Rizk Rep got 2 games removed and he is very nice, but he doesn't... seem to be an expert on Rizk Races (which is fine) so I just kind of gave up on the cause because I don't want to keep being that naggy argumentive bitch. I mostly play the game-specific races now so I will settle for that :) Here's the quote that made me give up:

"Rizk Races are based on luck and our casino team does its best of excluding games where there is an advantage, whether it's Merkur or any other provider. I can not reveal (neither do I know as it's very advanced) mechanics of Rizk Race, but I can assure you that it's not like all the games with certain features would give a great advantage."

10 points for win, 30 points for 3 win streak, 40 points for 3 loss streak, 300 bonus points for 10x win. It's already revealed on the information part of Rizk Race. Very basic, not secret "very advanced mechanics" :p

So regarding gambling feature not gaining you a great advantage: If somebody has a 2 loss streak and get a 5x win and is playing a regular slot, their win streak gets interrupted and they get 10 points. If somebody in the exact same situation is playing a game with the gamble feature, they have a 50% chance to get 40 points for losing the gamble and 50% chance to get 310 points for winning the gamble. It's an advantage that is absolutely impossible to overcome, there's nothing random about it. Gamble feature games get at worst 40 points per 3 games and far more big wins thanks to gamble feature being able to channel all wins into 10x> wins for the 300 point bonus. So even if there are more than Ari that are winning the races, the point is that whoever it is, is definitely using gamble-feature games (in the €120 races). And this is why 99% of all games with gamble-feature are already disabled for Rizk Race, only these unpopular ones that slipped through the cracks that are only available to some countries, giving them indeed a "great advantage".

He also accused me of lying about all merkur games having the gamble-feature. Here's from merkur themselves:

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Collect or Gamble?

A special feature of ALL Merkurslots is the “Gamble Function”. This Function allows you, to choose between two gamble systems where you be able to increase your winnings.

So who knows, I have played many merkur games and they all had the same gamble feature, Merkur themselves say on their official website that literally ALL of their games do have the gamble-feature but maybe he's right :p And I absolutely don't want this to come off as me bashing him or Rizk, just letting you know not to get your hopes up on things getting fixed because they seem pretty adamant that it's fair and random despite only gamble-feature games being able to win the races that they decide to enter.
 

SlotGrinder

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Regarding "Alexander" or "Oliver" winning lots of the races ... how do you know it's the same Alexander each time ? I mean , it's a very common name in some countries
 

Peluri

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Rizk rep Sebastian has been here Today several times. Yesterday was active and fast to answer. Today silence. Perhaps doing a massive and inclusive point to point answer.. or just lurking in the shadows and hoping this just melt away...

Today's Olympos race had already a familiar winner.. Guido. The way how "he" got that win was also "very lucky". I'd like to ask if Casinomeister could PAB (if that can be used or some similar third party investigation) whole Rizk money races? Take a closer look collectively last Months. Rizk is rated at Casinomeister 9,8 top points and any suspected, even fraud, game fixing should be investigated! I urge You all to keep close eye for these main races!
 

Tirilej

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Rizk rep Sebastian has been here Today several times. Yesterday was active and fast to answer. Today silence. Perhaps doing a massive and inclusive point to point answer.. or just lurking in the shadows and hoping this just melt away...

Today's Olympos race had already a familiar winner.. Guido. The way how "he" got that win was also "very lucky". I'd like to ask if Casinomeister could PAB (if that can be used or some similar third party investigation) whole Rizk money races? Take a closer look collectively last Months. Rizk is rated at Casinomeister 9,8 top points and any suspected, even fraud, game fixing should be investigated! I urge You all to keep close eye for these main races!

Accusing them for fraud is a bit too much I think and you should consider not doing that here. They are accredited and well respected.
Casinomeister are offering help through PAB. They can't PAB themselves. That would be a little odd:p

Maybe you should relax a bit and let Sebastian work this out. I'm sure he reads this thread and they maybe are looking in to the races. Patience is a gold quality though :)
 

Peluri

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Location
Kymenlaakso
Yes, and remember that "Trip to Iceland" promotion? I think it was Felix who won it. He had unnaturally high score after the first day of races, and he never played after that.

Checked just that winners list.. :D

1 Felix 10450 VIP-matka Islantiin
2 Guido 10190 2 500 €
3 Niels 9820 1 000 €
4 Heiner 9540 500 €
5 Oliver 9290 250 €

Accusing them for fraud is a bit too much I think and you should consider not doing that here. They are accredited and well respected.
Casinomeister are offering help through PAB. They can't PAB themselves. That would be a little odd:p

Maybe you should relax a bit and let Sebastian work this out. I'm sure he reads this thread and they maybe are looking in to the races. Patience is a gold quality though :)

Didn't, yet, accuse them for fraud.. just brought up a high possibility ("even fraud" was my words exact!) of a hoax.. Perhaps these win percentages are normal to someone and someone thinks that it is inline within all expectations.. :rolleyes: And asking about PAB was a question; I have never done it.. Yep, I am relaxed.. nothing to gain or lose here.. just truth! :thumbsup: I know that I am not alone here with these thoughts. I am not the only one who has noted these really odd patterns and winners in "real money" races.. so far I am the only one who has been loud about it.
 

Sebastian - Rizk

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Malta
Hi everyone,


First of all, like I mentioned before, feedback is more than welcome and I have let the discussion flow here until now before commenting on anything. I think it’s very important to critically evaluate the products and the businesses of online casino operators, whether it’s a top rated & accredited casino, a new one, an old one or a shady one. That’s one of the main reasons this excellent forum exists and is alive, to find which place is the best for a player and also to know which places to avoid. So I welcome discussion and also come to Casinomeister myself often to read reviews and threads about other casinos.

In this thread there are some accusations of fraud, race-fixing, in-house players and other claims based on feeling, which I come back to a bit later on. I think before that though I should give a clear overview on what Rizk races are and how they work so you all understand what the topic is about. Someone also asked this question previously in the thread and I am sure some of you readers and thread contributors might not have tried them before :)

Rizk Races are a way of earning wager-free rewards (ranging from free spins and super spins to up to 1500 EUR for the biggest 1st prize) while playing your favourite games.

  • They start every 30 minutes seven days a week and last for either 25 or 55 minutes

  • Opt-in is free, however as usual playing the games, i.e. wagering, is not.

  • The minimum bet which counts towards points is depending on the race and ranges anywhere from £/€/$ 0.20 to £/€/$2. More info about the prize pools and races can be found here:
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  • As you can see, in the races called Rizk Race, Lunch Race or Super Spins Race you can earn points by playing any games in the All Race Games category found in our games lobby.

  • Other races again are for a specific game where everyone plays the same game, such as the Vikings race mentioned, where “that one guy” won a trip to Iceland :thumbsup:

How are the points calculated?

+10 POINTS

Every win

+30 POINTS

3 wins in a row

+40 POINTS

3 losses in a row

+300 POINTS

Big wins (minimum 10x your original bet)


More information and rules about the races can be found here by clicking the Information tab:
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Now…regarding the accusations that the same players win all the time or that the races are fixed. Our forum member Peluri had gathered some data about the top 3 players from several main races (all of them are played in one specific game and everyone has the same amount of spins to use, as always) during several consecutive days. If we take a closer look we can actually see multiple different names in the top 3. However, I can agree that there are also players who are in the top 3 clearly a few times. How is this possible?


It comes down to two things:

1) Although we at Rizk are very proud of the Rizk Race as one of our products & promotions, I can honestly say that player pool is not that big and we would like to see more players playing them. You could argue that they are not exciting enough and on mobile I can definitely agree with that. This is something we are working on. They are more exciting on desktop where the leaderboard is clearly shown. Below you can find some examples of how many many players have participated in the races (you can also follow this yourselves when you opt-in to the races and try them out, even for one spin) during the last 24 hours:


Yesterday's Battle Royal Race at 9pm CET (the race with the biggest prize pool) : 38 racers, out of whom 10 won a prize


One of today's RIZK RACEs: 03:30 am: 3 racers and all 3 of them won a prize. Quite nice!


Today's BREAKFAST RACE: 12 racers, out of whom 5 racers won a prize.


2) As always, luck plays a role as well, but the main point is that everyone in the game-specific races Peluri mentioned had the same chance of winning.


Now, to one serious accusation raised in this thread, that Rizk has it’s own in-house players. I will of course not laugh this one off, but neither can I disprove it. Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot. The more players who play the races and the more players who win, the better it is for Rizk as a casino as players wager more in our casino games and players who win come back to our site and enjoy our games more.


What I suggest is that you try the races out yourselves and see what you think :thumbsup:


Lastly (I might have missed out some points raised in this thread), some comments related to where this discussion initially began and which @PetraPool among others also raised and rightly so. Different types of games and maybe even providers which should be excluded from the races. Right now we have excluded Genii slots from our races and we will look into more games and providers and re-evaluate. I have sent a link of this thread to our casino team and I will sit down in a meeting with my colleagues as soon as possible and the main topic is our Rizk Races and how we can improve them.


Thank you for a great discussion so far! :) - Sebastian
 

xexe

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Location
Sweden
It comes down to two things:

1) Although we at Rizk are very proud of the Rizk Race as one of our products & promotions, I can honestly say that player pool is not that big and we would like to see more players playing them. You could argue that they are not exciting enough and on mobile I can definitely agree with that. This is something we are working on. They are more exciting on desktop where the leaderboard is clearly shown. Below you can find some examples of how many many players have participated in the races (you can also follow this yourselves when you opt-in to the races and try them out, even for one spin) during the last 24 hours:


Yesterday's Battle Royal Race at 9pm CET (the race with the biggest prize pool) : 38 racers, out of whom 10 won a prize


One of today's RIZK RACEs: 03:30 am: 3 racers and all 3 of them won a prize. Quite nice!


Today's BREAKFAST RACE: 12 racers, out of whom 5 racers won a prize.

...Wow. :rolleyes: I was banned without warning for playing the risk race too much. Pelluri claims the same thing happened to him although his ban was heaved for being a VIP member. Y'all ban anybody who play them too much without any warning and in the next breath express a wish to have more race players. I came from VideoSlots where you automatically join every single race. Each spin you perform counts towards a race. How was I supposed to know that rizk bans anybody who do the very same thing that's encouraged on thé most popular online casino in the world?
 

Peluri

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Location
Kymenlaakso
Now, to one serious accusation raised in this thread, that Rizk has it’s own in-house players. I will of course not laugh this one off, but neither can I disprove it. Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot. The more players who play the races and the more players who win, the better it is for Rizk as a casino as players wager more in our casino games and players who win come back to our site and enjoy our games more.

Hello, Sebastian! Thank You for Your answer! Unfortunately I have been active in politics and studied marketing and Your reply is like is expected when one wants to answer long sentences, a lot of words, but needs to hold up real information. Yes, I asked specific numbers and what I get..

Yesterday's Battle Royal Race at 9pm CET (the race with the biggest prize pool) : 38 racers, out of whom 10 won a prize


One of today's RIZK RACEs: 03:30 am: 3 racers and all 3 of them won a prize. Quite nice!


Today's BREAKFAST RACE: 12 racers, out of whom 5 racers won a prize.

If this is The Info what You can give to convince doubtful minds, even after You stated:

I will of course not laugh this one off, but neither can I disprove it. Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot.

Yes, this answer wasn't even close to disproving my suspicions.. Like I can also say that let me just assure You are using some methods which are not acceptable. Only difference between me and You is that I have something to show which is way over all expectations if we are talking about variance. Like You said noted that I had gathered info about races. Yes, why had I done so? Because those winners are just toooooo often same ones! This also leads to two another funny things, I'd laugh on those also, like You, but...

One: Rizk kicks out from races players mainly for playing/winning too much from them. I have been contacted by players after this post saying that they have been kicked out like I was earlier. What is the limit how much one player can win/take part of Your races? I see, that Heiner has been winning and taking part for Months.. winning A LOT! And still keeps on going.

Winners after my post:

30.1. Battle Royal: Tom, Kevin, Sofie

31.1. Reactoons: Christoph, Melanie, Mira
31.1. Book of Dead: Heiner, Nancy, Ross
31.1. Starburst: Kira, Anne, Sven

1.2. Gonzo: Tristan, Alexander, Melanie
1.2. Twin Spin: Heiner, Darren, Kaisa
1.2. Sakura: Michelle, Sven, Michael

(Got dates day wrong so edited afterwards)

Both wins for Heiner are 2€ wager races with heaviest money prize. Also Kira got "her" 3rd win in 50 races like did Michelle. Usually odd players will win that 500€ race and familiar names takes 1€ and 2€ races.. How, Sebastian, You can explain "Heiner", "Oliver", "Tom", "Sylvio" and now rising "female" stars luck mathematically? Open up also their winning points and note the differences between first, second and third. Those are just HUGE! And after that explain how same names who do win a lot also wins with huge point difference!?

Back to the point... so, if Heiner is winning this often and much.. why "he" isn't banned!? Why any of those regular winners are never banned!? All I see that players who I can confirm to be flesh and blood are banned after winning spin prizes and small, 120€, races.. like I already stated that those are possible to win by playing right games and right tactics.. which isn't possible 500+€ races; those should be -only- for luck. And winners from those are never banned! Weird!!

Second:
What I suggest is that you try the races out yourselves and see what you think :thumbsup:

LoL. This is just absurd! I waited over a day to see if anyone answers to You, but only one.. xexe.. and he pointed out what I have been asking directly from You last Year:

Y'all ban anybody who play them too much without any warning and in the next breath express a wish to have more race players.

If You ban always player who wins or plays "too much" races.. it leads that first You ban a couple of winners.. lets say that You have 50 players.. 3 cut off.. then new winners.. they are cut off.. then new winners.. they are cut off.. After 3 Months You have 30 players.. and cutting off spirals.. which means all players are cut off with "playing and winning too much" after five Months! And here, Sebastian, You are asking us to try out.. Unreal if You don't see the problem.. Oh, of course, there are these most trusted "players" who are able to continue winning streak month after month..

And now in economical thinking..

Let me just assure you that with programming or using our own players we would shoot ourselves in the foot.

You state this after giving sample where You are posting like so few players and they win all prizes.. If I put up a lottery and have a million tickets sold versus I have a lottery with 38 tickets sold.. which one is more likely to give me negative earnings?? And thinking more deeply, which one would benefit me more to have tickets to sold for myself... or have a fixed lottery?

Answer is obvious. Heiner and others win all the time the biggest races. Race prize structure is heavily win weighted. It's enough if main prize is allocated in right way to get into zero balance.. and if more then even fewer tickets might get positive outcome. But it is very sure if only 38 tickets are sold for 1000€-2000€ grand prize win that it will be negative outcome even short period.

When I was first banned out and then "traded" my VIP status to possibility to take part to Your races I asked numbers how You can rationalize kicking me out..

*Viimeiset 7 päivää:* (last 7 days)
Talletukset:€1983 (depos)
Kotiutukset:€1133 (withdrawals)
Tappiot: €850 = RTP 90.54% (losses)
Bonukset:€375 = Bonus kustannukset 34.63% (bonuses) (bonus expences)

*Viimeiset 30 päivää:*
Talletukset:€4491
Kotiutukset:€3877
Tappiot: €614 = RTP 94.13%
Bonukset:€1850 = Bonus kustannukset 95.46%

You were banning me even I was, with all race winnings, on negative and inline with RTP. Without those race winnings numbers would have been really bad. Also You explained that You think that races are at Rizk considered as "bonus". Yes, they are bonuses which You might win.

You also stated to me that "Pyrimme pitämään bonukset 10% pelaajaa kohden" (We try to maintain bonuses at 10% per player) I'd like to know if this is the number also for these "players" who seem to dominate money races!?

In the end I ask again.. You don't have to give any single names, even though they already are publicly announced, just name them like numbers or letters for last three Months:

How much has been total value of main race winnings?
How much have been won by 10 "luckiest" players?
 
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