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IamTheBirdman

Banned User - underage gambler
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Location
CA
Hello All,

I am first going to let you know my age is 15, almost 16. I did some stupid stuff the past 2 weeks I regretfully wish I didn't do. I had been looking into depositing with BetOnline, and when I found out they accepted Western Union, I was happy, because I could send some money. I signed up, sent $50, lost it. Repeat this 4 more times, and all gone. I know I shouldn't have done it, I could lose the $300, no problem. But now I'm wondering what would happen if I were to say I'm underage or something, or cashout. Would they return me my full deposit amount via W.U.?

I asked the live chat the requirements to cashout and they said Driver's License Photo and Utility Bill. Because I still have my permit, that's a no, and I don't pay bills. I'm not 18. What do I do?

I'm ok waiting until I'm 18 and play legally, but what can I do now? Anything?

Please don't say I shouldn't have done this in the beginning, because I know I shouldn't have and now I learned the hard way.

Thanks guys.
 
If you protest about being underage just to get the money back, and can prove it, you may well get it back. However, it will then be known throughout the industry what you did, and even as an adult, you could find yourself blacklisted everywhere, possibly for life.

As you say, you can afford to lose the $300, so best keep quiet till you come of age, and then NEVER play at any site related to BetOnline.

You may also have to suffer your parents finding out as $300 is a fair bit to simply "disappear" without a good explanation, even if it was cash sent via WU.
 
If I were you I would go back to them, tell them what you did and ask them to close your account.
I have no idea if they have to refund you or not, but if you ever want to play when you reach the right age, you might need to start being honest now.

Expensive lesson. Never try this again because you can never cash out anyway without comitting more and worser things.

Edit: I see that VWM had exactly the opposite idea as me. Interesting.
 
I swear I am not joking about this, I am 15. The money part though was just from having fun over summer making tips from an uncles business.

My parents don't know I did anything, and won't ever. It isn't like I asked to withdrawal from my bank account an now they'll ask where the money is. I still have money made from summer, so I'm ok. But it was fun playing, and I'm over it. I'll just wait and play when im older. Guess I don't want to get blacklisted.
 
IamTheBirdman said:
Hello All,

I am first going to let you know my age is 15, almost 16. I did some stupid stuff the past 2 weeks I regretfully wish I didn't do. I had been looking into depositing with BetOnline, and when I found out they accepted Western Union, I was happy, because I could send some money. I signed up, sent $50, lost it. Repeat this 4 more times, and all gone. I know I shouldn't have done it, I could lose the $300, no problem. But now I'm wondering what would happen if I were to say I'm underage or something, or cashout. Would they return me my full deposit amount via W.U.?

I asked the live chat the requirements to cashout and they said Driver's License Photo and Utility Bill. Because I still have my permit, that's a no, and I don't pay bills. I'm not 18. What do I do?

I'm ok waiting until I'm 18 and play legally, but what can I do now? Anything?

Please don't say I shouldn't have done this in the beginning, because I know I shouldn't have and now I learned the hard way.
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This may seem harsh, but you are trying to get your money back after lying yet say you have learnt the hard way? what's to say you get that money back and try the same scheme again?

If I was you I would be telling my parents so temptation does not get the better of you until you are of legal age and an adult and know what your doing. Hopefully they restrict you to the access of so much cash.
 
The only reason I posted was to see what options there may have been, but like I said, I don't care if it's gone. I can fall asleep and forget about it.

And pull this scheme somewhere else? I think after something like this you kind of know not to do it again.

And hey, I just wanted to have some fun that's all.
 
IamTheBirdman said:
And pull this scheme somewhere else? I think after something like this you kind of know not to do it again.
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Scheme may have been a bit harsh, but all of us here know what "Temptation" is, and since your so young and had a taste it is probably going to be a bit worse, I mean what happens next time you get bored or just want to have some fun and no one is there to stop you?
 
I do a lot of things when I'm bored, not just get all into the gambling state of mind. All I wanted to know is what would happen, that's why I asked, it's not like I need that money back. I wouldn't have joined if it wasn't for their live casino, that was fun.

I got tempted yes, and I'm fine. Like I said I fall asleep forgetting it ever happened.
 
Tirilej said:
If I were you I would go back to them, tell them what you did and ask them to close your account.
I have no idea if they have to refund you or not, but if you ever want to play when you reach the right age, you might need to start being honest now.

Expensive lesson. Never try this again because you can never cash out anyway without comitting more and worser things.

Edit: I see that VWM had exactly the opposite idea as me. Interesting.
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Inspired by the case where the player went back to the same casino as an adult, and got his DEPOSITS confiscated for what he did when underage because the casino found out.

By owning up, you face not only a blacklist, but your DEPOSITS confiscated when you play as an adult having done so when underage.

They will want proof that you are under age too, else they will see it as a possible scam to get losses refunded. Keeping quiet and learning a $300 lesson also prevents you from being blacklisted as an adult scammer. They will also consider you a high "chargeback" risk because you have tried one way to get losses back, and this will almost guarantee you will never be able to play again.

If you say nothing, the account will become dormant, and after 6 years or so, will be deleted from their systems altogether. You can check this in year 8, say, by trying to log in with the details to see whether the system still recognises them.

This kind of "fun" is really not for minors. $300 is actually a small amount to lose for many, you could have been sucked in far deeper, and it could have ended in disaster for you.
 
You're right, but I wanted to try it out. But now finding out about blacklisting, I will definitely not fess up. I know its not for minors. I learned a lesson, it's over with.

Now I just wait until I'm 18, and head down to the local casino or play online legally.
 
vinylweatherman said:
Inspired by the case where the player went back to the same casino as an adult, and got his DEPOSITS confiscated for what he did when underage because the casino found out.

By owning up, you face not only a blacklist, but your DEPOSITS confiscated when you play as an adult having done so when underage.

They will want proof that you are under age too, else they will see it as a possible scam to get losses refunded. Keeping quiet and learning a $300 lesson also prevents you from being blacklisted as an adult scammer. They will also consider you a high "chargeback" risk because you have tried one way to get losses back, and this will almost guarantee you will never be able to play again.

If you say nothing, the account will become dormant, and after 6 years or so, will be deleted from their systems altogether. You can check this in year 8, say, by trying to log in with the details to see whether the system still recognises them.

This kind of "fun" is really not for minors. $300 is actually a small amount to lose for many, you could have been sucked in far deeper, and it could have ended in disaster for you.
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You could also compare it the other way around.
If he doesn't tell and get his account closed, he might forget about this whole issue and do the same as the other person and go back later thinking it might doesn't matter.

We as adult are suppose to learn the younger to face the consecvences of what they are doing. Pretend it never happened is a bad way of learning.

If he gets balacklisted it might save him from a lot of problems when he gets older instead.;)
 
You know Im actually a very smart person and know right from wrong, but I'll do things for sake.

I'm seriously going to "forget" about it and that's it. Never deposit again.
 
Tirilej said:
You could also compare it the other way around.
If he doesn't tell and get his account closed, he might forget about this whole issue and do the same as the other person and go back later thinking it might doesn't matter.

We as adult are suppose to learn the younger to face the consecvences of what they are doing. Pretend it never happened is a bad way of learning.

If he gets balacklisted it might save him from a lot of problems when he gets older instead.;)
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So long as he avoids the SAME casino, he should be OK. If he doesn't protest, they will never know to blacklist him, and the account will simply become dormant.
 
vinylweatherman said:
So long as he avoids the SAME casino, he should be OK. If he doesn't protest, they will never know to blacklist him, and the account will simply become dormant.
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I didn't mean that he should protest or ask for the money back. I wanted him to face the consecvences, be honest and tell the casino what he had done. That is in my opinion the best way to learn for the future.
To tell someone to keep quiet doesn't sound good in my ears.

We all have our way of giving advices so I have no clue if mine is the right or wrong. We just think differently VWM and that's okey too:)
 
Tirilej said:
I didn't mean that he should protest or ask for the money back. I wanted him to face the consecvences, be honest and tell the casino what he had done. That is in my opinion the best way to learn for the future.
To tell someone to keep quiet doesn't sound good in my ears.

We all have our way of giving advices so I have no clue if mine is the right or wrong. We just think differently VWM and that's okey too:)
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It depends on how the casino takes it. They may look more favourably on it if he just owns up and takes the hit, rather than asking for the money back. The problem is that honesty in some situations can get out of hand, with the apology not being accepted, and the boot being put in even though the right and honest thing has been done.

He could apologise, forget about it, and then as an adult find he has been added to a lifetime blacklist, which he is only told about when he tries to withdraw. At least keeping quiet means he can isolate the risk to this one operator, who has made $300 profit. By owning up, he can have no idea whether he will be blacklisted throughout the industry, and of course no-one will tell him.

In both cases, he has learned the lesson by losing $300, so he has hardly gone unpunished.

There are other cases where the industry has overreacted. Players ask for their accounts to be closed because they just feel unlucky at a particular casino, and before they know it, find themselves on a "problem gambler" blacklist because the casino has overreacted by assuming the only reason a player would close an account at their wonderful casino is because of a gambling problem. I advise just uninstalling the casino instead, in other words, keep quiet, let the account go through the normal dormancy process, and if I never return, it will disappear altogether from the system.

If proof of age at least was required up front, this problem could not occur in the first place.
 
IamTheBirdman said:
You know Im actually a very smart person and know right from wrong, but I'll do things for sake.

I'm seriously going to "forget" about it and that's it. Never deposit again.
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Good idea! I agreed with that. We all learn new things every day we make mistake from and we have to correct it. Also best let your parent know what happened and let casino know on how did you do it from beginning then they will understand that you have broke the rules and they will then know that you won't let it happen again. But I am unsure of what parent reaction will be. Hopefully won't be a real harsh one. Best of luck to get it sorted out though.
 
Personally I think a smart business practice from a casino would be to make every person complete the documentation process before they are allowed to even deposit. I realize in the front end they'd lose out on someone depositing spontaneously as soon as they signed up but on the back end it seems like it would alleviate a lot of issues with fraud.
 
Well maybe I'm cynical, or maybe it's because I just reread "Evil Rhonda"....but say for instance I have a teenager and I decide to gamble somewhere with money I can't really afford to lose. If I deposit and win, I send in my docs and get paid. If I lose, it was my teenager who shouldn't have been gambling and I send in their ID and get the money back.

*NOTE - I'm not saying I believe that's what happened in this case, I'm just saying that I'm sure most online casinos have seen scams very much like that.

I agree with Sara that the OP should take the consequences, but maybe the loss of $300 is consequence enough.
 
Deanna said:
Personally I think a smart business practice from a casino would be to make every person complete the documentation process before they are allowed to even deposit. I realize in the front end they'd lose out on someone depositing spontaneously as soon as they signed up but on the back end it seems like it would alleviate a lot of issues with fraud.
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Hi, yes I agreed but sometimes disagreed although better safe than sorry though to have that procedure though. And ozlotteries for example I am not advertising here it just about how they changed the rules to make everyone put document in first to prove who they are before putting deposit in. Thats why ozlotteries has had enough of scam, fraud etc they have had it so they move up to much tougher procedure to stop them from going in to commit fraud, scam or anything more significant problem. I think its a good move though!
 
chayton said:
Well maybe I'm cynical, or maybe it's because I just reread "Evil Rhonda"....but say for instance I have a teenager and I decide to gamble somewhere with money I can't really afford to lose. If I deposit and win, I send in my docs and get paid. If I lose, it was my teenager who shouldn't have been gambling and I send in their ID and get the money back.

*NOTE - I'm not saying I believe that's what happened in this case, I'm just saying that I'm sure most online casinos have seen scams very much like that.

I agree with Sara that the OP should take the consequences, but maybe the loss of $300 is consequence enough.
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That was my first thought too, that it maybe is one of the parents writing. Awful I know:o
It depends on if the person used his own name and adress but a fake birthday, or an adults.

...and thank you for correcting my spell of the word consequences. I did think it looked a little strange:p
 
I swear I'm not a parent. Our of curiosity what is the procedure they take when you say your underage? Like what is proof?
 
IamTheBirdman said:
I swear I'm not a parent. Our of curiosity what is the procedure they take when you say your underage? Like what is proof?
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They lock your account and put you on a blacklist. However, because losing and then claiming you are underage is a common scam, they won't simply send the money back. The problem is that if underage, you cannot send in any kind of proof. Whilst there are documents to prove you are old enough, kids don't get documents to prove they are too young to do anything. Saying you can't send in ID because you are underage is true, but it doed not give the casino any evidence to separate the true underage player from a sore loser who tries it on just because they have lost.

You have more chance of being believed by NOT asking for the money back, just getting your account locked.

In the real world, the authorities would probably drag you home to face the music from your parents. This happens here in the UK if you are caught with alcohol under age. They assume the parents will be responsible enough to be shocked, and to meet out a suitable punishment.

I bet you are far more scared your parents will find out, which is why you would rather forget about it. It seems your real worry is having to explain what happened to $300, and this is why you want to know if the casino will slip it back quietly if you admit you are under age.

If they have any sense, they will say that they will only return it to one of your parents, who would be able to supply ID. They will know there is every chance you won't call their bluff on this.

In the evil Rhonda case, the parent seemed to leap to the defence of the errant child in trying to construct a sob story in order to get the money back. Having emails from both parent and daughter, it was possible to work out it was a scam.
 
Thanks for explaining that. My parents are pretty cool about things, of course this would shock any parent. That's not the reason for saying I'll forget about it, it's because I just don't want to get in this kind of situation with a casino because I don't know what could happen. And hey, the $300 is fine for me, my mom and dad didn't take it out of the bank for me or anything, so they won't be asking for where it is. The blacklist thing scares me.

I would NEVER EVER do this, but do these casinos catch you if you give fake documents? I mean, papers are easy to alter.
 
IamTheBirdman said:
I swear I'm not a parent. Our of curiosity what is the procedure they take when you say your underage? Like what is proof?
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Well you're the first 15yo I've seen in years who uses pretty much proper English and punctuation.

IMO this is a big red flag.....if my teenage sons typed something like this I would be asking who was doing it for them.
 
Nifty29 said:
Well you're the first 15yo I've seen in years who uses pretty much proper English and punctuation.

IMO this is a big red flag.....if my teenage sons typed something like this I would be asking who was doing it for them.
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Really? By 15 I sure would hope they would be able to communicate in clear, concise English.

This is about how a 15 year old was able to even open an account imo.

This is a prime example of why the casinos need to demand and receive clear, non disputable proof of who and what you are before you even make the initial deposit.
 
cdomi66 said:
Really? By 15 I sure would hope they would be able to communicate in clear, concise English.

This is about how a 15 year old was able to even open an account imo.

This is a prime example of why the casinos need to demand and receive clear, non disputable proof of who and what you are before you even make the initial deposit.
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I didn't say they COULDN'T.......I said they DON'T. I know for a fact they can write excellent English (I've always insisted upon it), but teenagers have their own language.

As for opening a casino.account..anyone can do that regardless of their intelligence or language skills. I've seen adults here who would have trouble opening a box of chocolates who seem quite capable of creating casino accounts.

In utopia, pre-approval would be great. In reality, it is largely unworkable. Myself and others have explained why many times, so I'm not going into it all again.

However, the main issues are delays in beginning play on a new account (very few people will be prepared to wait days or weeks to get started), and the sheer enormity of the task of IDing thousands of players at one time, which would happen when a new casino opens, or an established casino changes their policy.
 
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Since I have an almost 15 grandson, I'm not so sure I am buying this either, Nifty. He is quite above average in intelligence but I don't think he would write as clear and concise. Unless there was some kind of spell check etc, he sure would be typing as good because he just wouldn't take the time.

And, although he has sat in my lap and spun the reels since he was little, I don't think it would ever enter his mind to try it on his own. It's not something that he would find interesting. And he knows that if his Mom, Dad or I found out about it, his little hiney would be in big trouble. If it isn't on his Iphone, he's not into it. Plus when he's on the computer, he playing games, not gambling.

He wouldn't know how to use Western Union, probably never even heard of it. How many 15 year olds do?

And another thing, most 15 I know dang sure wouldn't bring it out in the open for discussion nor would they know to come here to talk about it.

OP, if indeed you are just 15, my suggestion to you is get away from gambling, from this site and find something age appropriate to do. Good thing you didn't win, the lure is just too great.
 
Does anyone think this is just to unreal, that a 15 year old not only gambles on line but finds Casino Meister, and only 24 hours after Bryan puts up the Evil players thread? One of them was saying that it was her 16 year old that was doing the scamming.

What I find so unreal is that this UNDERAGE CHILD is posting on here asking what he should do. At 15 I had my first job, had my first money market account and I KNEW RIGHT FROM WRONG! Hell, my 11 year old knows right from wrong.

My advice to the OP, forget about gambling, its an ugly thing. I know that TV makes it look glamorous, but it isn't. My husband works with a man who had a son that was becoming a Professional Poker Player, at the age of 25, he took his own life because he lost his backers, and this man was pretty bright, he had a degree in Psychology and Sociology. He was very well known on the 2+2 forum. This just happened a few months ago. It can really take you down a dark path.

You lost 300 dollars, go back to work for your uncle, make some more money and put it away. Save up for a car or something. Forget about gambling. You are way to young to get hooked on it. Stop it now before it is too late.

LH
 
You know I just brought it up on here to ask what would happen if I were to say I was underage, that's all. I don't know what else but to say I swear I am 15. Sure I have proper English, I've taken English classes for how many years, I pick up writing well.

I'm into doing business, I come up with my own ideas for products, and if I do have one, I'll use Western Union and pay someone overseas for a prototype. It may sound like it's a lot, but I know how to do things and business. I really hope of opening my own business one day, that's why I used Western Union before, that's why I use proper grammar.

I've basically set it in my head that I am not going to do any depositing to any site until I'm 18, so I'm off it for now.
 
Nifty29 said:
Well you're the first 15yo I've seen in years who uses pretty much proper English and punctuation.

IMO this is a big red flag.....if my teenage sons typed something like this I would be asking who was doing it for them.
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Have to agree with Nifty, most teens communicate in "text" speak, which does NOT involve proper grammar and punctuation. This whole thread just doesn't seem right, I'd be very careful with the advice I'm handing out people, JMO....
 
On Pokerstars, some month ago(sorry, dont remember how long ago), one guy won sunday million and big prize about 200k(may be a bit smaller). So, he was under 18 years(but registered as 18+ , just change his birthday day), but he was banned, money confiscated and sent to charity.
I think its wrong to deposit, lost, and then search ways to get money back :)
 
IamTheBirdman said:
You know I just brought it up on here to ask what would happen if I were to say I was underage, that's all. I don't know what else but to say I swear I am 15. Sure I have proper English, I've taken English classes for how many years, I pick up writing well.

I'm into doing business, I come up with my own ideas for products, and if I do have one, I'll use Western Union and pay someone overseas for a prototype. It may sound like it's a lot, but I know how to do things and business. I really hope of opening my own business one day, that's why I used Western Union before, that's why I use proper grammar.

I've basically set it in my head that I am not going to do any depositing to any site until I'm 18, so I'm off it for now.
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You would do WHAT:eek:

1) They could steal your money and do no work.
2) They could steal your invention and make it theirs, stealing your money for years to come.

Inventors are very careful about who gets to see their prototypes, and any legitimate producer of prototypes would not be demanding Western Union be used for payment.

If you can't make your prototype yourself, you need to find a local firm you can trust, where you know where they are, and under which laws they work. Often, inventors want their patent in place before they even let firms at home get a look, let alone firms overseas.

If it is any good, you will find the Chinese have already "invented" it and are shipping it out by the container load by the time your overseas firm gets your prototype back to you.

If you are any good at CAD, get a 3D printer and make your own prototypes, or at least a non functioning model.
 
IamTheBirdman said:
Thanks for explaining that. My parents are pretty cool about things, of course this would shock any parent. That's not the reason for saying I'll forget about it, it's because I just don't want to get in this kind of situation with a casino because I don't know what could happen. And hey, the $300 is fine for me, my mom and dad didn't take it out of the bank for me or anything, so they won't be asking for where it is. The blacklist thing scares me.

I would NEVER EVER do this, but do these casinos catch you if you give fake documents? I mean, papers are easy to alter.
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Yes, and they have been honing their skills for years. It'll be the same if you altered documents to appear underage just to get the losses back, they will, if anything, check them even more thoroughly because they will be aware how common a scam this is to get back losses.
 
My ten cents - if you are genuinely a 15 year old get the hell away from gambling until you're adult enough to handle it (which you clearly are not).

Regarding trying to weasel back your losses - forget it - the casino security departments have had lots of practice and your transactions will be thoroughly scrutinised and back-checked. Underage gamblers are a major concern for operators for a variety of reasons, and they're pretty hot on this issue.
 
IamTheBirdman said:
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I've basically set it in my head that I am not going to do any depositing to any site until I'm 18, so I'm off it for now.
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You should set it into your head that you ought to wait until you're a bit older than that - how about twenty five?

Obviously your parents haven't taught you the value of a dollar. That money you threw away could have done a hell of a lot for some poor family in the Congo, or Doctors without Borders, American Red Cross, etc. To throw money around at the age of 15 is not only moronic - it seeps of gluttony and reflects upon your character is a most negative way.

Since you apparently lied about your age while registering in this forum, I'm closing your account. I don't want any teenagers hanging around here. I have enough of that at home. :rolleyes:

Lesson learned: don't lie - and do something positive to help others. At fifteen your recreation shouldn't cost a dime. Go outside and ride a bike. Bye.
 
vinylweatherman said:
You would do WHAT:eek:

1) They could steal your money and do no work.
2) They could steal your invention and make it theirs, stealing your money for years to come.

Inventors are very careful about who gets to see their prototypes, and any legitimate producer of prototypes would not be demanding Western Union be used for payment.

If you can't make your prototype yourself, you need to find a local firm you can trust, where you know where they are, and under which laws they work. Often, inventors want their patent in place before they even let firms at home get a look, let alone firms overseas.

If it is any good, you will find the Chinese have already "invented" it and are shipping it out by the container load by the time your overseas firm gets your prototype back to you.

If you are any good at CAD, get a 3D printer and make your own prototypes, or at least a non functioning model.
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Good advice.

At 15, I think I was WATCHING Birdman LOL. (Remember that cartoon? BIIIIIIIRDMAN!!!)
 
DepositSpinLose said:
:D i think this guy/girl is researching mass media reactions, silly anyway you put this story.
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I'm so naiv, but I agree that it can't have been written by a 15 year old boy. He also came back answering all the time, and kept his temper. They don't do that.:rolleyes:
I have only raised a girl, but I know how teenagers are, and I've been one myself not so long ago...at least it feels like that;)
 
You are gambling anyways and just think that this was one of your losses.
*snip* <---- spammy link to casinodelrio.com

You gambled away and this incident also might be one of your gambling sessions. What else could you do rather than thinking that in this.
 
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