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Underage Issue

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by IamTheBirdman, Sep 13, 2012.

    Sep 13, 2012
  1. IamTheBirdman

    IamTheBirdman Banned User - underage gambler

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    CA
    Hello All,

    I am first going to let you know my age is 15, almost 16. I did some stupid stuff the past 2 weeks I regretfully wish I didn't do. I had been looking into depositing with BetOnline, and when I found out they accepted Western Union, I was happy, because I could send some money. I signed up, sent $50, lost it. Repeat this 4 more times, and all gone. I know I shouldn't have done it, I could lose the $300, no problem. But now I'm wondering what would happen if I were to say I'm underage or something, or cashout. Would they return me my full deposit amount via W.U.?

    I asked the live chat the requirements to cashout and they said Driver's License Photo and Utility Bill. Because I still have my permit, that's a no, and I don't pay bills. I'm not 18. What do I do?

    I'm ok waiting until I'm 18 and play legally, but what can I do now? Anything?

    Please don't say I shouldn't have done this in the beginning, because I know I shouldn't have and now I learned the hard way.

    Thanks guys.
     
  2. Sep 13, 2012
  3. Balthazar

    Balthazar The Governor

    Occupation:
    Leader
    Location:
    Woodbury
    You won't be able to cashout anyway so kiss that money goodbye and learn from your mistake. You shouldn't lie and cheat.
     
  4. Sep 13, 2012
  5. Mallorca

    Mallorca Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Night job
    Location:
    Stockholm
    :eek2: This must be a joke. 15 years old?.You shouldn`t be here you should be at school.
     
  6. Sep 13, 2012
  7. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    If you protest about being underage just to get the money back, and can prove it, you may well get it back. However, it will then be known throughout the industry what you did, and even as an adult, you could find yourself blacklisted everywhere, possibly for life.

    As you say, you can afford to lose the $300, so best keep quiet till you come of age, and then NEVER play at any site related to BetOnline.

    You may also have to suffer your parents finding out as $300 is a fair bit to simply "disappear" without a good explanation, even if it was cash sent via WU.
     
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  8. Sep 13, 2012
  9. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    If I were you I would go back to them, tell them what you did and ask them to close your account.
    I have no idea if they have to refund you or not, but if you ever want to play when you reach the right age, you might need to start being honest now.

    Expensive lesson. Never try this again because you can never cash out anyway without comitting more and worser things.

    Edit: I see that VWM had exactly the opposite idea as me. Interesting.
     
  10. Sep 13, 2012
  11. IamTheBirdman

    IamTheBirdman Banned User - underage gambler

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    CA
    I swear I am not joking about this, I am 15. The money part though was just from having fun over summer making tips from an uncles business.

    My parents don't know I did anything, and won't ever. It isn't like I asked to withdrawal from my bank account an now they'll ask where the money is. I still have money made from summer, so I'm ok. But it was fun playing, and I'm over it. I'll just wait and play when im older. Guess I don't want to get blacklisted.
     
  12. Sep 13, 2012
  13. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

    Occupation:
    Web Master
    Location:
    Clown Town
    This may seem harsh, but you are trying to get your money back after lying yet say you have learnt the hard way? what's to say you get that money back and try the same scheme again?

    If I was you I would be telling my parents so temptation does not get the better of you until you are of legal age and an adult and know what your doing. Hopefully they restrict you to the access of so much cash.
     
  14. Sep 13, 2012
  15. IamTheBirdman

    IamTheBirdman Banned User - underage gambler

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    CA
    The only reason I posted was to see what options there may have been, but like I said, I don't care if it's gone. I can fall asleep and forget about it.

    And pull this scheme somewhere else? I think after something like this you kind of know not to do it again.

    And hey, I just wanted to have some fun that's all.
     
  16. Sep 13, 2012
  17. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

    Occupation:
    Web Master
    Location:
    Clown Town
    Scheme may have been a bit harsh, but all of us here know what "Temptation" is, and since your so young and had a taste it is probably going to be a bit worse, I mean what happens next time you get bored or just want to have some fun and no one is there to stop you?
     
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  18. Sep 13, 2012
  19. IamTheBirdman

    IamTheBirdman Banned User - underage gambler

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    CA
    I do a lot of things when I'm bored, not just get all into the gambling state of mind. All I wanted to know is what would happen, that's why I asked, it's not like I need that money back. I wouldn't have joined if it wasn't for their live casino, that was fun.

    I got tempted yes, and I'm fine. Like I said I fall asleep forgetting it ever happened.
     
  20. Sep 13, 2012
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Inspired by the case where the player went back to the same casino as an adult, and got his DEPOSITS confiscated for what he did when underage because the casino found out.

    By owning up, you face not only a blacklist, but your DEPOSITS confiscated when you play as an adult having done so when underage.

    They will want proof that you are under age too, else they will see it as a possible scam to get losses refunded. Keeping quiet and learning a $300 lesson also prevents you from being blacklisted as an adult scammer. They will also consider you a high "chargeback" risk because you have tried one way to get losses back, and this will almost guarantee you will never be able to play again.

    If you say nothing, the account will become dormant, and after 6 years or so, will be deleted from their systems altogether. You can check this in year 8, say, by trying to log in with the details to see whether the system still recognises them.

    This kind of "fun" is really not for minors. $300 is actually a small amount to lose for many, you could have been sucked in far deeper, and it could have ended in disaster for you.
     
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  22. Sep 13, 2012
  23. IamTheBirdman

    IamTheBirdman Banned User - underage gambler

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    CA
    You're right, but I wanted to try it out. But now finding out about blacklisting, I will definitely not fess up. I know its not for minors. I learned a lesson, it's over with.

    Now I just wait until I'm 18, and head down to the local casino or play online legally.
     
  24. Sep 13, 2012
  25. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    You could also compare it the other way around.
    If he doesn't tell and get his account closed, he might forget about this whole issue and do the same as the other person and go back later thinking it might doesn't matter.

    We as adult are suppose to learn the younger to face the consecvences of what they are doing. Pretend it never happened is a bad way of learning.

    If he gets balacklisted it might save him from a lot of problems when he gets older instead.;)
     
  26. Sep 13, 2012
  27. IamTheBirdman

    IamTheBirdman Banned User - underage gambler

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    CA
    You know Im actually a very smart person and know right from wrong, but I'll do things for sake.

    I'm seriously going to "forget" about it and that's it. Never deposit again.
     
  28. Sep 13, 2012
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    So long as he avoids the SAME casino, he should be OK. If he doesn't protest, they will never know to blacklist him, and the account will simply become dormant.
     
  30. Sep 13, 2012
  31. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I didn't mean that he should protest or ask for the money back. I wanted him to face the consecvences, be honest and tell the casino what he had done. That is in my opinion the best way to learn for the future.
    To tell someone to keep quiet doesn't sound good in my ears.

    We all have our way of giving advices so I have no clue if mine is the right or wrong. We just think differently VWM and that's okey too:)
     
  32. Sep 13, 2012
  33. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    It depends on how the casino takes it. They may look more favourably on it if he just owns up and takes the hit, rather than asking for the money back. The problem is that honesty in some situations can get out of hand, with the apology not being accepted, and the boot being put in even though the right and honest thing has been done.

    He could apologise, forget about it, and then as an adult find he has been added to a lifetime blacklist, which he is only told about when he tries to withdraw. At least keeping quiet means he can isolate the risk to this one operator, who has made $300 profit. By owning up, he can have no idea whether he will be blacklisted throughout the industry, and of course no-one will tell him.

    In both cases, he has learned the lesson by losing $300, so he has hardly gone unpunished.

    There are other cases where the industry has overreacted. Players ask for their accounts to be closed because they just feel unlucky at a particular casino, and before they know it, find themselves on a "problem gambler" blacklist because the casino has overreacted by assuming the only reason a player would close an account at their wonderful casino is because of a gambling problem. I advise just uninstalling the casino instead, in other words, keep quiet, let the account go through the normal dormancy process, and if I never return, it will disappear altogether from the system.

    If proof of age at least was required up front, this problem could not occur in the first place.
     
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  34. Sep 13, 2012
  35. homerbert

    homerbert I-Gaming Industry Representative webby

    Occupation:
    nothing :)
    Location:
    middle of Europe!
    where is my 16 years... :D
    Man, what about you think when made deposits?) And why you want return your deposits, after lose?:what:
     
  36. Sep 13, 2012
  37. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots webmeister

    Occupation:
    Nursing & Run Bus Trips
    Location:
    Hartford,Ct
    All I can say is at that age I would of took out a hot babe on a date & had some fun instead of gambling it.
    As kids we always tried to do things to try & get away with it.
    You learn the hard way.
    Good Luck to ya "IamTheBirdman"
    ~T~
     
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  38. Sep 13, 2012
  39. naththo

    naththo Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Currently working as a clerk casual part time for
    Location:
    Adelaide, South Australia.
    Good idea! I agreed with that. We all learn new things every day we make mistake from and we have to correct it. Also best let your parent know what happened and let casino know on how did you do it from beginning then they will understand that you have broke the rules and they will then know that you won't let it happen again. But I am unsure of what parent reaction will be. Hopefully won't be a real harsh one. Best of luck to get it sorted out though.
     

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