Ukraine Mess

[lockinlove]

Meh. I love you and your partner can not take that away from me. But I disagree with your hatred of palastinians . It is sick

I think someone is on the booze tonight!!!!

I dont hate them though.

 

[geordiecolin]

I think someone is on the booze tonight!!!!

I dont hate them though.

Most agreeable thing posted tonight. But I like your gumption. I am more punk today than the punks from the 70's where ever.
Good night.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

You seem impossible sometimes.
Let me hear what your man thinks?
Without creating a domestic

Makes an ok sandwich

Above average with cleaning kitchen

Annoying a/f with her politics

High stress job. High stress person.

Don't blame her for her strong views as she sees and has to deal with a lot of politics in her job that interferes with the job being done

You guys should never had her start in these threads. It will never end. I'll record our next argument next time I eat her last yogurt. You will understand.

A $hitttt tonne of times I hop on the laptop she is already logged in here and I click on notifications and am not surpised they all have to do with USA POLITICS thread. LUL

 

[BillyGoldblum]

You have to remember you get the "venting" part of me here. Its my place to vent so most of my posts are a bit different than most here.

I blame the UK thread for it all. Drifting in there by mistake and then seeing some wild posts supporting illegal immigration and the government treating the people like peasants and then some UK citizens actually defending it!

 

[geordiecolin]

Makes an ok sandwich

Above average with cleaning kitchen

Annoying a/f with her politics

High stress job. High stress person.

Don't blame her for her strong views as she sees and has to deal with a lot of politics in her job that interferes with the job being done

You guys should never had her start in these threads. It will never end. I'll record our next argument next time I eat her last yogurt. You will understand.

A $hitttt tonne of times I hop on the laptop she is already logged in here and I click on notifications and am not surpised they all have to do with USA POLITICS thread. LUL

I think you sold me at Samich

 

[geordiecolin]

"You have got to separate the government from the people because you can not separate the people from the government"
Russia is a tolerant country. This guy goes anywhere and presents their people

 

[lockinlove]

Anyone going to attempt to de-escalate or is this just going to turn into full out world war 3?

 

[Webzcas]

Things are going so well for Russia they are now taking on 10,000 North Korean troops and signing up 76 year olds into their military!!

 

[geordiecolin]

It looks like Amrica has decided to allow Ukraine to use long range American missiles into Russia. And the British storm sharow missles will be right there with them. Will NATO be at war with Russia before Trump gets a chance?
Biden promissed a smooth trasition.
Stop the nukes

 

[Guntis]

It looks like Amrica has decided to allow Ukraine to use long range American missiles into Russia. And the British storm sharow missles will be right there with them. Will NATO be at war with Russia before Trump gets a chance?
Biden promissed a smooth trasition.
Stop the nukes

 

[mack341]

Trump is coming in January, so this doesn't leave much time for ww3 to develop.

It's forcing him into a situation where if he reverses the decision, the 'Putin's pal in the WH' headlines will start up again.

That said it might be an attempt to get Russia to take more risks on the battlefield rather than grinding their way to that River.

Also a bargaining chip for Ukraine when they have very few atm.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Russia can have Iran, Belarus and North Korea in their corner with weapons and troops but when Ukraine is finally allowed to properly use these long range rockets already provided earlier we're on the verge of WWIII once again?

How about Russia gets its ass out of a sovereign country and there won't be rockets flying into the Kursk region?

It seems like people forgot Russia actually started this whole thing when they annexed Crimea and then tried to take the Donbas.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Trump is coming in January, so this doesn't leave much time for ww3 to develop.

It's forcing him into a situation where if he reverses the decision, the 'Putin's pal in the WH' headlines will start up again.

That said it might be an attempt to get Russia to take more risks on the battlefield rather than grinding their way to that River.

Also a bargaining chip for Ukraine when they have very few atm.

Yes, you're exactly right about the bargaining chip when it comes to peace talks. When Ukraine can "claim" part of the Kursk region they have a much better position because I can't see Ukraine just giving up part of their country and basically let Russia win. And I don't think anyone believes Ukraine actually wants to keep a part of Russia...

Moreover, if the result of negotiations would mean Russia can stay where they are and Ukraine has to give up what the Russians have claimed there is no end to Russia trying this with other former USSR countries. Even though Putin has said he doesn't want parts of "other" countries you can't take his word for that.

 

[lockinlove]

Trump is coming in January, so this doesn't leave much time for ww3 to develop.

It's forcing him into a situation where if he reverses the decision, the 'Putin's pal in the WH' headlines will start up again.

That said it might be an attempt to get Russia to take more risks on the battlefield rather than grinding their way to that River.

Also a bargaining chip for Ukraine when they have very few atm.

Looks to me like the democrats are trying to start world war 3 just in time when Trump takes over. They want to derail his plans for the next 4 years, what better than to start a massive war that will ruin his economy and everything else on his agenda?

Democrats/USA started this war with Russia and are now trying to escalate it further on purpose. Lets hope Trump hires a team that arrests all these nut cases and tries them for their many crimes.

BTW the democrats lost the white house, senate and house. So the media and their cry baby base have one option left. Cry on social media. Have fun, nobody cares!

 

[mack341]

Yes, you're exactly right about the bargaining chip when it comes to peace talks. When Ukraine can "claim" part of the Kursk region they have a much better position because I can't see Ukraine just giving up part of their country and basically let Russia win. And I don't think anyone believes Ukraine actually wants to keep a part of Russia...

Moreover, if the result of negotiations would mean Russia can stay where they are and Ukraine has to give up what the Russians have claimed there is no end to Russia trying this with other former USSR countries. Even though Putin has said he doesn't want parts of "other" countries you can't take his word for that.

I remember discussing bits with old Harry re China, and iirc they dominate that region (other than Japan) and the countries basically accept it, so chinese business people have investments and a degree of control over policy in these countries. I suppose you could call it a sphere of influence, but it goes a bit deeper than that into financial/military domination (in terms none of the smaller countries could take them on).

If you extrapolate the same situation to Russia, because the eastern countries also have a border with the EU and the west, it's become a tug of war. (Literally)

Harry said Ukraine was beset with corruption, split between Ukrainian oligarchs and ones that favour Russia or of that background. (Mainly in the eastern parts but also central before the 2014 coup).

So long story short, I don't think this thing will end up in Ukraine's favour militarily, it's going to be one of concessions vs guarantees of neutrality towards Russia. Crimea is never going back, under Putin's watch at least, and probably not the donbass etc...but Kharkiv and Odessa will remain under Ukrainian control. And maybe a financial deal on any valuable mineral resources in the eastern seized parts.

This long missile policy gives Ukr a little bit more leverage at the table, but I don't think Kursk can be held beyond the next 6 months and it must be costing Ukr military resources they can hardly afford to lose to stay in there.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I remember discussing bits with old Harry re China, and iirc they dominate that region (other than Japan) and the countries basically accept it, so chinese business people have investments and a degree of control over policy in these countries. I suppose you could call it a sphere of influence, but it goes a bit deeper than that into financial/military domination (in terms none of the smaller countries could take them on).

If you extrapolate the same situation to Russia, because the eastern countries also have a border with the EU and the west, it's become a tug of war. (Literally)

Harry said Ukraine was beset with corruption, split between Ukrainian oligarchs and ones that favour Russia or of that background. (Mainly in the eastern parts but also central before the 2014 coup).

So long story short, I don't think this thing will end up in Ukraine's favour militarily, it's going to be one of concessions vs guarantees of neutrality towards Russia. Crimea is never going back, under Putin's watch at least, and probably not the donbass etc...but Kharkiv and Odessa will remain under Ukrainian control. And maybe a financial deal on any valuable mineral resources in the eastern seized parts.

This long missile policy gives Ukr a little bit more leverage at the table, but I don't think Kursk can be held beyond the next 6 months and it must be costing Ukr military resources they can hardly afford to lose to stay in there.

Historically speaking the more to the east you go in Ukraine the more Russian minded the people have been. There has been unrest and war in the Donbas since the Euromaidan protests in 2014. Rebuilding will cost so much in that region, whoever gets control of it in the peace talks will need to invest a shitload there to get everything back to a normal functioning society.

The time for diplomacy will be when Russia doesn't see a military way forward. Until then there'll be war in Ukraine. So if the West decides to stop military aid to Ukraine the Russians will eventually march to Kiev.

 

[Webzcas]

Looks to me like the democrats are trying to start world war 3 just in time when Trump takes over. They want to derail his plans for the next 4 years, what better than to start a massive war that will ruin his economy and everything else on his agenda?

Democrats/USA started this war with Russia and are now trying to escalate it further on purpose. Lets hope Trump hires a team that arrests all these nut cases and tries them for their many crimes.

BTW the democrats lost the white house, senate and house. So the media and their cry baby base have one option left. Cry on social media. Have fun, nobody cares!

This was always going to happen once the election was over, regardless of the outcome and result of the 5th November election.

IMO the green light should have been given at least six months prior. Better late than never though.

For those worried that this is yet another of these imaginary movable red lines set by Putin yet to be crossed. He is not suicidal, well at least not yet.

 

[Guntis]

Wanna bet who strikes first? I think nobody will. But if the worst happens, I would say Russia can IF they see a threat. And only Joe with the help of Ukraine can set it off. Zelensky now is just crazy - like somebody at a party on ecstasy pills who acts absurdly, irrationally. Before he was a completely different person. I hope it won't happen.

This must not carry on to gain peace -->

 

[goatwack]

Imagine timing this escalation during a lame duck presidency, just in that two-month window before leaving office. It's almost as though the Democrats are so rabid and deranged that they'd even risk WWIII just to handicap their nemesis......

"The Orange Man"

We knew they'd do something in that time, but this is next-level, even by their standards, ramping up aggression when everything was pointing towards resolution. Just the most......astounding coincidence I'm sure! ICBMs ain't nothing on TDS!

 

[itsme123]

As others have pointed out there should be no issue with America/UK/Germany allowing the use of long range missiles.
Putin is the one that invaded a sovereign country, Putin is the one who has been firing Iranian and North Korean weapons into Ukraine and the least the west can do is allow Ukraine to fight back. If the west rolls over it will be Poland next followed by Romania, Hungary and all the former USSR countries.
No right minded person can seek to justify what Russia and Putin is doing and it is time Ukraine were allowed to push back as hard as they can.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh look! Wonder when Medvedev will tweet on this LOL

 

[Guntis]

Does that mean they don't listen to that old Joe and let Zelensky play with those rockets, or what?



Hmm... These are fresh news (1h ago), but DailyMail and others are lagging behind. How come? Last time they managed to publish a video more quickly about a shite pipe blowing up somewhere in Russia, lol.

 

[mack341]

I remember back to the nato serbian conflict, even then when Russia was on its knees and with Yeltsin at the helm, there were stories in the press about the possibility and concern of Russia becoming involved on the serbian side.

Fast forward to now where Russia is in a much better state, financially and militarily, and it's expected to just sit there while western missiles, using western satellites targeting data, hit Russia itself, and not respond.

If nothing else they have to preserve their deterrent and also status as a major country, no one will take them seriously again if they don't act when their own citizens or troops stationed in Russia are bombed

It's the highest stakes poker, and Biden is not in control enough of his faculties to make this call.

 

[kr042351]

Just a shout out that I stand by my Ukrainian members in their time of trouble. What a freaking mess - it's really a despicable situation. My thoughts are with you - I really support these folks who desire sovereignty and a democratic nation over a iron-fisted dictatorship.

Putin is clearly on the wrong side of history with this one. What a f*&^twat.

Yes, I agree with Bryan --- there hasn't been a more ruthless leader of Russia since old Soviet leader, Josef Stalin ... hell I don't even think Lenin was as bad as Putin!

 

[sufferinsilence]

I remember back to the nato serbian conflict, even then when Russia was on its knees and with Yeltsin at the helm, there were stories in the press about the possibility and concern of Russia becoming involved on the serbian side.

Fast forward to now where Russia is in a much better state, financially and militarily, and it's expected to just sit there while western missiles, using western satellites targeting data, hit Russia itself, and not respond.

If nothing else they have to preserve their deterrent and also status as a major country, no one will take them seriously again if they don't act when their own citizens or troops stationed in Russia are bombed

It's the highest stakes poker, and Biden is not in control enough of his faculties to make this call.

Do you really think Russia is financially in a much better state? And apparently their railway system is in shambles now too.

 

[Guntis]

Do you really think Russia is financially in a much better state? And apparently their railway system is in shambles now too.

That Ukrainian geezer lad, Telenko (judging by the surname) forgot to add this picture to his tweet;

But that's alright, he just likes to post things like potato prices in Russia that grew from 25 pence to 40 per kilo. Something needs to be posted, otherwise what else to do? Smart internet people know the man already.

 

[Webzcas]

Russian Rouble is doing really well

Nearly at the lowest level it fell to in 2022, when the first raft of sanctions were announced.

Then there is the Russian inflation rate, just a tad below 14% and um, rising

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Here in the UK we think we have high interest rates. Well the Russian Economy is having a 'hold my beer' moment as their central bank recently raised them to 21%.

Then there are all these pesky drone attacks on Russian oil refineries. This has seen Gazprom announce a loss in 2023 of 629 billion roubles or $8.9bn.

Yep that is right, Russia is oil rich, but their once profitable oil companies that used to year on year bring in a healthy profit are now costing Russia billions a year to stay operational. BTW this was Gazprom's first reported loss since 1999. Oh dear!

As we head into winter, no doubt more and more utilities such as water and electricity will fail across Russia. Although it will take a lot to beat what happened in Moscow recently!



Yep Russia is doing brilliantly. Well done Russia

 

[goatwack]

Alrighty! U.S missiles are a-go, launched from Ukraine into Russia's heartland!

An inspired tactical move by Biden, thought up in between his eating ice cream and sniffing children's hair, as he plots nuclear armageddon!

Let's hope this act of provocation doesn't lead to our immediate deaths, and that Putin 'respects' this sudden 'show of strength'. Something something Russia has the most nuclear warheads in the world something or other

 

[dunover]

Yep Russia is doing brilliantly. Well done Russia

Video of a Bonanza free spins round wasn't it?

 

[Webzcas]

Arming Ukraine was a Red Line
Providing Tanks was a Red Line
Providing Himars was a Red Line
Providing F16's was a Red Line
Providing Stormshadows was a Red Line
Allowing Ukraine to defend themselves by targeting Russian forces inside Russia is a Red Line.

I'd lay any bets that Putin will not push the red button. Biden should have done this a year ago. But better late than never.

 

[goatwack]

We shouldn't even be at the stage of 'Will he/ won't he', and yet here we are.

Only reason I'd imagine he wouldn't is that he sees it as a cheap shot by an outgoing administration, from the party that just loves a good ol' war.

What better way to send a big FU to him and endanger humanity whilst also showing their true colours.
Who needs 'peace' anyway! Pah!

Seeing it for what it is, I'd envisage Putin taking the hit, both in the literal and metaphorical sense, knowing that any biblical retaliation would only strain whatever relationship he has with Trump, and the U.S for the next four years at least anyway.

Were this to be the Harris/ Timpon ticket however, well.....all I can say is you'd better had hunkered down and braced yourselves for tinned spam and water purifying sachets

 

[Guntis]

Webzcas, there is inflation, i agree, but when their central bank raised interest rates, the RU govt added a salary increase of 9.8% for workers in fields like education, healthcare, social security, culture, and science. For others, it's 4.5%, and that's with all the 16.000 sanctions they have.

Here there is no war, no sanctions. But prices on everything are going up crazily - take a bottle of olive oil in Tesco, it's now £13 but not long ago was £8. And that's thanks to whom? Boris, and Zelensky, somebody from a place that was barely known here before. I see you prefer posting meme-like things, so and don't know whether you're serious and care about petrol, house bills, travel, food, household goods, etc., but i do as it directly affects me.

How's that?

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Why would the Bank of England mention Russia there? Ah, i see they say something about gas...

Why don't the UK govt just get their act together and fix the probs hitting people's pockets here at home, instead of throwing money and wasting time with Zelensky's show? There are so many things that need sorting out right here. Are they scared of something?

See these vids there, it's no joke. And they cause major concerns - but some people and papers like DailyMail rather create content about shit pipes in Russia to entertain their readers instead of talking about real shit that matters.

 

[goatwack]

Great news!

Putin's just redrafted laws that permit him to deploy nukes at his behest!!

Is he saving face, or seriously considering launching a cheeky ICBM? Guess we'll know round about that time when the skies 'seem a smite brighter'.

Well done Democrats!

 

[dunover]

Great news!

Putin's just redrafted laws that permit him to deploy nukes at his behest!!

Is he saving face, or seriously considering launching a cheeky ICBM? Guess we'll know round about that time when the skies 'seem a smite brighter'.

Well done Democrats!

Yeah, a sudden thaw tomorrow and a bit of sunburn and you know why.

 

[Webzcas]

Great news!

Putin's just redrafted laws that permit him to deploy nukes at his behest!!

Is he saving face, or seriously considering launching a cheeky ICBM? Guess we'll know round about that time when the skies 'seem a smite brighter'.

Well done Democrats!

Like I have said, if you really believe he will use them, I am happy to lay your bet. It is all BS and bluster.

 

[Guntis]

Here is the site from where Western Media will likely get their info published:

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(it will auto-google translate to ENG for you).

And below is the main paper with a stamp on it:

static.kremlin.ru/media/events/files/ru/KrzVeeTCkT05CCvgIoY03xuvIdkVslkx.pdf

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I don't know what now... It all sounds pretty serious to me now as they're ready for the last resort. FFS...

 

[paul7388]

Like I have said, if you really believe he will use them, I am happy to lay your bet. It is all BS and bluster.

Not sure why you are so convinced of that.

Do not think he would launch a missile at USA or UK.

But you would say the odds are shortening on him using a tactical Nuke on Ukraine.

Keep hearing you say he would not be stupid enough to ever use nukes . Same applies to the leaders from rest of the world .

He needs to end the war In a way that saves face. Yeah he invaded Ukraine a non NATO country. But now it's NATO countries that are basically leading the attack on Russia and have their leaders saying Putin can not win at any cost.

Would like ro.have saw the American Reaction if during Iraq or one of the countless other USA involvements , Russia had supplied them with the means to hit USA and encouraged them to do it sating USA had ro be stopped at all costs. Pretty sure the President would not sit back and allow missiles to land in Las Vegas and not do anything as he was scared of a Nuclear War.

One Single Tactical Nuclear Missile on Ukraine would end the war. And there might be a huge outcry but pretty sure no country would then Launch a full scale Nuclear attack on Russia. But again it all comes down to hypocrisy. USA seem to have done okay for themselves after dropping a couple of bombs on Japan. But guess that's okay for them not Russia.

End of the day Russia should never have invaded Ukraine. But let's face it if this had been Russia invading some African country there would not be same outcry. Yet NATO countries are so willing to supply Ukraine with all the weapons they need yet cry there eyes out that countries like North Korea are supplying Russia help.

Same NATO countries that are supply Israel the weapons to wipe our half the middle east and slaughter way more innocent civilians than Russia has. Does this mean it's Okay for Russia to send there most advanced weapons to Lebanon and Palestine and say Israel must be stopped at all costs.

 

[Webzcas]

Not sure why you are so convinced of that.

Well it is quite simple. Appeasement never ever works. History will show and tell you that.

Putin and other autocrats like him only understand one thing and that is strength.

Every day over the past 1,000 days since Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, we have heard Putin and his cronies bellicose rhetoric. Indeed on the night of the invasion, he spouted the same rubbish.

Putin may be many things, but he is not suicidal. Launching even a tactical battlefield low yield nuke, would see such a conventional response from NATO countries, Russia will no longer have an army in occupied Ukraine after 24 hours.

Furthermore Putin would have to live forever underground in one of his bunkers. Because, by launching a nuclear strike as soon as he reappeared, a hell fire missile would no doubt zoom in on him ASAP.

You are also forgetting the other players, such as China and India. President Xi would no way allow Putin to launch a nuclear weapon.

The thing is though, by changing their doctrine and people like Markov going on the main stream media, foretelling doom and gloom the end is nigh stuff, you, yes you and everyone in this thread that believes we are on the precipice of global armageddon, are drinking Putin's Kool Aid.

Supply weapons to Ukraine - Red Line
Supply Tanks to Ukraine - Red Line
Strike the illegally annexed territories of Ukraine - Red Line
Hit the Kersch Bridge - Red Line
Supply F16's - Red Line

There is a pattern here, shame you cannot see it.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh and to add, On January 20th 2025, the US has a new President sworn in. Probably Putin's greatest hope of getting to keep the land his forces currently illegally occupy.

By using even a tactical battlefield nuclear weapon, would be unwise. One thing Donald Trump is, is unpredictable.

I would not like to be Putin if this came into play. Yet another reason as to why his fingers will be kept well away from any red button.

What gets me though, is that in 2024, there are many in the West that want to leave our Ukrainian brothers and sisters on their own. What happened to "Never Again" in 1945?

 

[Webzcas]

Tim Marshall gets it. Heed his words, seriously.

 

[paul7388]

Well it is quite simple. Appeasement never ever works. History will show and tell you that.

Putin and other autocrats like him only understand one thing and that is strength.

Every day over the past 1,000 days since Russia illegally invaded Ukraine, we have heard Putin and his cronies bellicose rhetoric. Indeed on the night of the invasion, he spouted the same rubbish.

Putin may be many things, but he is not suicidal. Launching even a tactical battlefield low yield nuke, would see such a conventional response from NATO countries, Russia will no longer have an army in occupied Ukraine after 24 hours.

Furthermore Putin would have to live forever underground in one of his bunkers. Because, by launching a nuclear strike as soon as he reappeared, a hell fire missile would no doubt zoom in on him ASAP.

You are also forgetting the other players, such as China and India. President Xi would no way allow Putin to launch a nuclear weapon.

The thing is though, by changing their doctrine and people like Markov going on the main stream media, foretelling doom and gloom the end is nigh stuff, you, yes you and everyone in this thread that believes we are on the precipice of global armageddon, are drinking Putin's Kool Aid.

Supply weapons to Ukraine - Red Line
Supply Tanks to Ukraine - Red Line
Strike the illegally annexed territories of Ukraine - Red Line
Hit the Kersch Bridge - Red Line
Supply F16's - Red Line

There is a pattern here, shame you cannot see it.

Again it comes across that you have a hatred of Russia. And no I don't see thing same as yourself.

It's all about Putin is not stupid. You never seem to say Starmer is not stupid.

If you really believe NATO would launch a full scale attack on Russia if Putin hit Ukraine with a tactical Nuke then I am afraid it is you that can't see what's in front of you.

So Putin is not stupid enough to launch a full scale Nuclear War but the rest of the world is.

So anyway why so much outcry about Russia invading Ukraine. Is it just because it is Russia. Do not see the same about any other country at war. Your silence on Israel is deafening.

As Ukraine is not part of NATO why are we so involved. Most of the parts Russia wants are predominately Russian speaking people staying there that actually want to be part of Russia.

And from your previous posts you make it out like Ukraine was such a lovely country before the war. Guess you have not done a lot of research into the Ukainian army and the way a lot of Ukranians were treated. As for Zelensky only way to end this war would be to get him removed. That's a guy that wants more than anything for an all out war between Nato and Russia.

But keep on believing that Putin is not stupid and he won't resort to Nuclear weapons as he would die.

Think you forget a lot of his close aides want him to hit Ukraine. Do you really think if he fails in Ukraine and loses the war he will survive. He would have shown weakness and he would get took out quick. He has no choice but to win at any cost. And if it's the gamble of using a tactical Nuke and seeing if NATO wanted a Nuclear war then if no choice I would see him taking it.

Russia has not been invaded since World War 2 and the more involved NATO get the more they will use any means to defend selves.

But keep pushing for what you want. Hope it works out the way you want and NATO eventually sends troops to Ukraine for full scale attack on Russia. We won't be around to say told you so.

 

[TheAddict]

He might ride bears naked in the woods, but our guy's probably done that in his bedroom with all sorts of animals. There's just no way Putin risks pissing off Commie Kier.

 

[goatwack]

That punch bag never stood a chance. R.I.P

 

[Webzcas]

Well we're still here, this despite the big bad WWIII rhetoric being broadcast on Russian TV.

 

[Webzcas]

Another voice of reason, in General Ben Hodges.



BTW if anyone lives in the UK like me, we apparently should now be under radioactive water for over a year now. Due to us sending over 14 Challenger II tanks. Remember Poseidon!!?

That's the thing with these idiots on Russia 1, they forget that we too have our own nuclear deterrent.

 

[geordiecolin]

Another voice of reason, in General Ben Hodges.



BTW if anyone lives in the UK like me, we apparently should now be under radioactive water for over a year now. Due to us sending over 14 Challenger II tanks. Remember Poseidon!!?

That's the thing with these idiots on Russia 1, they forget that we too have our own nuclear deterrent.

I have visions of you in your back room wearing a poundland generals uniform,wearing jackboots with a map and toy soldiers with a stick under your arm.
Let us hope Biden in impeached. It baffles me how a party can be left in power for months in this day and age so that they can do so much damage to the world and for the incoming party.

The Dems are shitting themselves about being held accountable once they lose power. I hope that Trump is on the phone to world leaders and influencing both Putin and the criminal launderer Zelenski.

 

[Guntis]

Smart American people post interesting pictures:

 

[geordiecolin]

Smart American people post interesting pictures:

I suspect that most of those German soldiers where murdered soon afterwards.
In this day and age people should not be getting murdered at the will of their governments.

 

[geordiecolin]

There is zero proof that there is NK troups fighting for Russia. Those troups are in eastern siberia conducting training which they have been doing for years. It is just propaganda.

The fact that Russia has let red lines slide is proof that they do not want an esculation and that they have zero wish to invade other countries.

It is America and NATO who are spoiling to ruin Russia to protect and expand their self interests.

Luckily 5 of the missiles where shot down and the sixth caused a small fire and missed its target. Given the capabilities of those weapons I suspect that they where meant to fail which is some comfort.

 

[goatwack]

The propaganda's in full swing now as pictures of mobile nuclear bunkers are being peddled in the Media, albeit more Russian Media-adjacent, one suspects!

Truly shocking stuff. Not so much about the end-of-world prepping, but that nuclear bunkers can be mobile! Amazing scenes!