Ukraine Mess

[Webzcas]

Oh look this is nice to wake up to, more sabre rattling from none other than Putin:

To which I respond with:

Hopefully later today Biden and Starmer who are meeting in Washington DC, will confirm the approval of the use of Stormshadow Missiles and ATACMS on Russian Territory, whilst Russia continues to occupy Ukrainian sovereign land.

 

[mack341]

If this goes ahead I think Russia would be well within international law to hit nato infrastructure, seeing as nato personnel would be entering the co-ordinates on any long distance missiles hitting moscow etc...

I don't think Putin would want to go down that route obviously, but it's an unknown at that stage, depending on what gets hit in Russia, a block of flats would be worse than military targets.

It's a bit like having a boxing fight, and someone outside of the ring also gets to throw punches that land, but it's escalating if you hit back, and they can then formally enter the ring.

 

[lockinlove]

Oh look this is nice to wake up to, more sabre rattling from none other than Putin:

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To which I respond with:

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Hopefully later today Biden and Starmer who are meeting in Washington DC, will confirm the approval of the use of Stormshadow Missiles and ATACMS on Russian Territory, whilst Russia continues to occupy Ukrainian sovereign land.

yes! Lets hope for world war 3! What better thing to hope for than an all out war costing millions of sons and daughters lives!! War! War! War!

Peace deal? Nah! Boris/USA ruined that. So we must have Warrrrrrrrrr!!

Send the nukes Harold!

 

[geordiecolin]

If this goes ahead I think Russia would be well within international law to hit nato infrastructure, seeing as nato personnel would be entering the co-ordinates on any long distance missiles hitting moscow etc...

I don't think Putin would want to go down that route obviously, but it's an unknown at that stage, depending on what gets hit in Russia, a block of flats would be worse than military targets.

It's a bit like having a boxing fight, and someone outside of the ring also gets to throw punches that land, but it's escalating if you hit back, and they can then formally enter the ring.

What movie was that from?
Anyone rooting for them using those weapons must be mad. We are a small island and ideally positioned to be wiped off the map as a lesson to the world

 

[mack341]

What movie was that from?
Anyone rooting for them using those weapons must be mad. We are a small island and ideally positioned to be wiped off the map as a lesson to the world

"Mars attacks!" I believe, actually haven't seen the movie but thought the clip summed up where we are these days. Rod steiger played the general, good actor he was.

Edit: Just looked up the wiki, 1996, and jack Nicholson was only 59 then! He's only done 9 movies since then, what a waste.

 

[geordiecolin]

"Mars attacks!" I believe, actually haven't seen the movie but thought the clip summed up where we are these days. Rod steiger played the general, good actor he was.

Yeah, I like Nicolson. Sadly I don't think we will see much more of him acting. East Clintwood was also a fave

 

[mack341]

Yeah, I like Nicolson. Sadly I don't think we will see much more of him acting. East Clintwood was also a fave

That reminds of mike parry calling him lee clintwood by mistake.

Great, great actor, I like to remember them not as frail and elderly. The dailymail ran a picture set of gene hackman another great actor, last year or so, getting a burger and going about his day retired, just to show his decline imo, he's 94 ffs

 

[Kroffe]

If this goes ahead I think Russia would be well within international law to hit nato infrastructure, seeing as nato personnel would be entering the co-ordinates on any long distance missiles hitting moscow etc...

I don't think Putin would want to go down that route obviously, but it's an unknown at that stage, depending on what gets hit in Russia, a block of flats would be worse than military targets.

It's a bit like having a boxing fight, and someone outside of the ring also gets to throw punches that land, but it's escalating if you hit back, and they can then formally enter the ring.

To be fair, if Tyson dragged you into the ring and started beating you up you would probably want the audience to help you out.
The 'boxing fight' between Russia and Ukraine never followed standard boxing rules to begin with, if it did it would never have gotten further than the weigh-in.

 

[sufferinsilence]

So we should find it normal that Iran strikes a deal with Russia to send them more rockets but Ukraine shouldn't get help?

Obviously I don't want WWIII but you can't let those terrorist states get away with that either.

 

[mack341]

To be fair, if Tyson dragged you into the ring and started beating you up you would probably want the audience to help you out.
The 'boxing fight' between Russia and Ukraine never followed standard boxing rules to begin with, if it did it would never have gotten further than the weigh-in.

Well I did say a bit like, nearly every war since ww2 has been a mismatch (on paper at least).

Obviously, we could go further to even the odds, but that would involve escalation.

If Russia would let its territory be attacked by nato cruise missles, on behalf of ukraine, and remain sitting on their hands, then it might as well give up having all the nuclear missles and other deterrents.

However, If Ukraine did all the targeting themselves etc...then it would probably be a case of what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[Kroffe]

Well I did say a bit like, nearly every war since ww2 has been a mismatch (on paper at least).

Obviously, we could go further to even the odds, but that would involve escalation.

If Russia would let its territory be attacked by nato cruise missles, on behalf of ukraine, and remain sitting on their hands, then it might as well give up having all the nuclear missles and other deterrents.

However, If Ukraine did all the targeting themselves etc...then it would probably be a case of what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

The war is in weird spot, will probably escalate a lot more before any chance of de-escalation.
I dont see Putin pulling out of Ukraine without something that Russia could call a victory, and i dont see Ukraine (and in extension NATO) agreeing to anything other than a full on retreat from Russia.

 

[lockinlove]

This is wild. A governor in the US signing a missile that has a good chance of landing on a mother, father, grandparent or child. This is some next level virtue signal war mongering delusion!

 

[goatwack]

It's almost as if vested interests are afoot, and the prolongation of this conflict beneficial in lining people's pockets!

I mean, uh, they're defending truth and justice and wish goodwill to all men and that

Fret not however, Vladimir's just flexed via a simulated nuking of London, almost as if to say he has the most nukes to unleash at his behest or something!

These 'leaders' are doing a bang-up job of de-escalation and ensuring peace, it must be said

 

[TheAddict]

They put a woman next to Zelensky so he wasn't the shortest person there.

 

[lockinlove]

Oh ya nothing says lets have peace like laughing and signing missiles destined for someones doorstep. The USA is sooo smart!!

Lets poke the bear. Hey you have more nukes than us but we are going to treat you like you are Syria and beneath us. Greatttttt strategy!

 

[Webzcas]

Putin is a dictator, no better than those that came before him, a facist in the mold of the likes of Hitler et al.

His Russian army have committed war crimes aplenty. Have people forgotten Bucha for instance?

Russia is an authoritarian state that has illegally invaded a sovereign democratic country. Yes Ukraine is a democracy. Yes there is corruption there, which country doesn't have corruption ( Free Gear Keir anyone? )?

But alas despite the Russian propaganda swallowed by some sections of the western media, that the 'West' and 'Nato' poked the bear causing the invasion on 24th February 2022. This does not hide the truth.

The Russians are an army of murderers, rapists and savages. Indeed the term 'Orcs' is very fitting for their rag tag army.

Now for those who haven't swallowed Russian State media BS, here is what is actually happening, as of now.



Slava Ukraini!

 

[sufferinsilence]

How exactly are you going to negotiate with Russia right now? They want Crimea and the Donbas to be Russian but Ukraine isn't going to just give away part of their country. Moreover the precedent you'd be setting here is that Russia can invade any old USSR country and in the end they'll get a part of the old country back.

Ukraine needs to be able to attack deeper into Russia so the Russian people get pissed off at the Putin-regime their electricity doesn't work or they have to hide in bomb shelters. Ukraine needs leverage to go into negotiations and the West should've given them permission to fire long distance rockets into Russia a long time ago.

Putin has been threatening to get the nukes in play for a while now. Every single time a "red line" was crossed. Nothing has happened yet. He might be crazy but not crazy enough to throw nukes on a NATO country. But I have the feeling the longer this conflict goes on and the older Putin gets he's going to care less about ruining himself or Russia so it's better to get leverage sooner rather than later.

 

[lockinlove]

Putin is a dictator, no better than those that came before him, a facist in the mold of the likes of Hitler et al.

His Russian army have committed war crimes aplenty. Have people forgotten Bucha for instance?

Russia is an authoritarian state that has illegally invaded a sovereign democratic country. Yes Ukraine is a democracy. Yes there is corruption there, which country doesn't have corruption ( Free Gear Keir anyone? )?

But alas despite the Russian propaganda swallowed by some sections of the western media, that the 'West' and 'Nato' poked the bear causing the invasion on 24th February 2022. This does not hide the truth.

The Russians are an army of murderers, rapists and savages. Indeed the term 'Orcs' is very fitting for their rag tag army.

Now for those who haven't swallowed Russian State media BS, here is what is actually happening, as of now.



Slava Ukraini!

The USA is no better than Russia. Sorry!

You can message the 4.7 million people's families the USA has killed since 9/11 with about 1 million of those being innocent civilians and ask them how they feel.

The USA jails journalists and whistleblowers too!

They also attack countries for no reason. See Iraq.

Oh and btw, the US army is full of rapists too. Actually 8% of female military member have been sexually assaulted by their own soldiers.

Just 2 months ago a US soldier was charged of raping a child in Japan.

Just because you see sad stories on youtube that have been designed to force you to a certain opinion doesnt make it right.

The USA doesnt get to play god.

 

[mack341]

and the West should've given them permission to fire long distance rockets into Russia a long time ago.

Would we have to give them any assistance to complete the step by step tasks required, or they can do it 100% themselves?

 

[sufferinsilence]

Would we have to give them any assistance to complete the step by step tasks required, or they can do it 100% themselves?

As far as I know they didn't have the long distance rockets. They asked for them for a long time before they were eventually delivered. And when they did initially they weren't allowed to fire them as far into Russia as they are doing now.

 

[Webzcas]

The USA is no better than Russia. Sorry!

You can message the 4.7 million people's families the USA has killed since 9/11 with about 1 million of those being innocent civilians and ask them how they feel.

The USA jails journalists and whistleblowers too!

They also attack countries for no reason. See Iraq.

Nice introduction of whataboutism into the thread, which I will duly ignore. By all means start another thread on the subject if you so wish. Comparing the actions of nations doesn't justify wrongdoing by any party.

It also doesn't change the fact that your stance concerning Ukraine and on how we stand up to Putin is akin to Neville Chamberlain coming back from Munich in 1938 and waving a piece of paper at the top of the steps as he left the plane.

Putin and people like him only understand one thing and that is strength.

 

[Webzcas]

How exactly are you going to negotiate with Russia right now? They want Crimea and the Donbas to be Russian but Ukraine isn't going to just give away part of their country. Moreover the precedent you'd be setting here is that Russia can invade any old USSR country and in the end they'll get a part of the old country back.

Ukraine needs to be able to attack deeper into Russia so the Russian people get pissed off at the Putin-regime their electricity doesn't work or they have to hide in bomb shelters. Ukraine needs leverage to go into negotiations and the West should've given them permission to fire long distance rockets into Russia a long time ago.

Putin has been threatening to get the nukes in play for a while now. Every single time a "red line" was crossed. Nothing has happened yet. He might be crazy but not crazy enough to throw nukes on a NATO country. But I have the feeling the longer this conflict goes on and the older Putin gets he's going to care less about ruining himself or Russia so it's better to get leverage sooner rather than later.

You cannot negotiate with a 'bully'. The only thing a bully understands is strength. Putin's red lines are BS. Putin may be a mass murderer, he may well be evil incarnate, what he isn't though is suicidal. Hence all his previous red lines and nuclear threats have been proven to be BS.

We need to give Ukraine everything they need.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh and I will add, what is happening in Ukraine is exactly why the UK has its own independent nuclear deterrent. Hence the renewal of Trident at however many £bn's is worth every single penny spent.

Furthermore, before anyone chimes in that the UK can only use them if the US give the green light. That is factually incorrect and is propaganda disinformation.

The missile technology is developed and produced by the US, the actual nuclear warheads that go on the missiles are 110% British designed and built.

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[lockinlove]

Nice introduction of whataboutism into the thread, which I will duly ignore. By all means start another thread on the subject if you so wish. Comparing the actions of nations doesn't justify wrongdoing by any party.

It also doesn't change the fact that your stance concerning Ukraine and on how we stand up to Putin is akin to Neville Chamberlain coming back from Munich in 1938 and waving a piece of paper at the top of the steps as he left the plane.

Putin and people like him only understand one thing and that is strength.

Why ignore it? Embrace it. Why argue or try to justify your stance of supporting escalating a war that ends in innocents murdered and quite possibly a nuclear war.

I can tell from your posts you are a democrat. Just curious, when did democrats become the raging war party?

Also, who is we?

Whataboutism is actually the perfect argument for someone who is acting like Russia is the only country who does this. I dont need to start another thread, this one is perfectly fine and on topic.

Your stance is that of Wooddrow Wilson. Demanding and addicted to war and death so much that he embraced world war 1. I wouldnt be surprised if you stand outside screaming towards the Russian border "attack" while looking at your neighbors hoping for support.

So you can yell war all you want. If you feel that way, I suggest you volunterring your service to lead that attack?

I am not sure if you are aware of this but strength is not how you deter the number one nuclear power in the world. Invading his country is extremely risky.

By all means, keep screaming your war mongering rhetoric, thankfully we dont have you at the helm. Although, I am not sure Biden is much better.

 

[lockinlove]

You cannot negotiate with a 'bully'. The only thing a bully understands is strength. Putin's red lines are BS. Putin may be a mass murderer, he may well be evil incarnate, what he isn't though is suicidal. Hence all his previous red lines and nuclear threats have been proven to be BS.

We need to give Ukraine everything they need.

Mistaking Putin for some school yard bully would be your first mistake.

In the words of many politcians including President Bill Clinton "Putin is a highly intelligent individual and transparent"

Give Ukraine everything they need huh? So in essence, lets call a nuclear powers bluff and hope it works out? Insane and uneducated stance.

 

[Webzcas]

Ignoring history and not learning from it, is your big mistake.

 

[lockinlove]

Ignoring history and not learning from it, is your big mistake.

Following this guy is yours.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh here we go, your problem with Zelensky prior to becoming a politician is that he was a comedian and actor? Your point is?

Or are you just trying to make personal attacks against the democratically elected President of Ukraine, who is leading his country against an illegal invasion?

An illegal invasion at the behest of the Autocrat that is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, which has seen over 600,000 Russian soldiers KIA or WIA in a little over two years. A 'Special Military Operation' which was to 'liberate' Ukraine in a mere 3 days.

So much for being liberated. Ukrainian citizens have been butchered and slaughtered over the past 900 plus days.

Honestly, is that your only argument, that Zelensky is an actor by trade? If it is, you need to go back to watching Solovyov and his kindred.

Thankfully the majority of NATO countries support Ukraine and do not think the way you do.

 

[lockinlove]

Hey dont take it so personal.

Democratically elected? Lol.

Dont be too quick to thank NATO just yet. Jumping the gun on an unresolved issue that is escalating is not very educated!

Trying to take subtle jabs at me is not a good idea either!

 

[itsme123]

Oh here we go, your problem with Zelensky prior to becoming a politician is that he was a comedian and actor? Your point is?

I seem to remember its not that long ago that there was a one time actor at the top of the tree in America, a republican who has been feted by many republicans as a great president.... kind of makes a mockery of the argument that Zelensky cant be a decent president because he had a life before he was elected..... But for some it doesnt fit their narrow minded narrative that thinks Putin is a great Premiere and that Trump will be even better if he manages to fool enough Americans into voting for him.

 

[paul7388]

Oh here we go, your problem with Zelensky prior to becoming a politician is that he was a comedian and actor? Your point is?

Or are you just trying to make personal attacks against the democratically elected President of Ukraine, who is leading his country against an illegal invasion?

An illegal invasion at the behest of the Autocrat that is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, which has seen over 600,000 Russian soldiers KIA or WIA in a little over two years. A 'Special Military Operation' which was to 'liberate' Ukraine in a mere 3 days.

So much for being liberated. Ukrainian citizens have been butchered and slaughtered over the past 900 plus days.

Honestly, is that your only argument, that Zelensky is an actor by trade? If it is, you need to go back to watching Solovyov and his kindred.

Thankfully the majority of NATO countries support Ukraine and do not think the way you do.

A lot of NATO countries also support Israel. That's what pisses me off the most. These countries condemn Putin and his actions yet Support Israel .

Russia should never have invaded Ukraine tho the areas they wanted are inhabited mainly by Native Russians who want to rejoin Russia.

Maybe all that has been said about the Russian Armies and Putin is indeed true. But people seem to have now adopted the idea that Ukraine had such a good army and Zelensky is a modern day hero.

Tell that to some of the people that dealt with them before the war. One think Putin did get correct is aboutbthe Nazi factions in the Ukranian army. And Zelensky does nortwant peace he wants an all out war between Russia and NATO. Which hopefully he will not get.

As for all this stuff that Putin is all talk and he will never use nuclear weapons. I think it will get to the stage soon where he has no choice. I would say he is a very clever man. The Ukranian advance into Russia could probably have been stopped and dealt with quicker. But when you are portraying to your people that the war is all about defending Russia what better way to defend the deaths of so many than to actually let Ukraine Invade Russia using NATO weapons. That way you can show the people that their country is under attack and how you were justified In Invading Ukraine.

To say Putin would never use Nuclear weapons as it would mean his death as well is pretty crazy. He has put himself in the situation that he needs to win this war at any cost. Not doing so would show weakness to his allies like China. Not even considering the fact that his own backers in Government and Military are losing faith . If he backs down and shows weakness he will eventaly get took out by those closest so would be dead anyway.

Just really annoys me how people can openly condemn everything Russia is doing and want Nato to help more whilst Israel is indiscriminately massacring people. Bombing Civilans and hospitals and has killed many more innocent people than Russia yet they are backed by the USA.

Let's face it Ukraine is just a pawn for NATO. People say Putin is too scared to risk World War 3. I'd say the NATO countries want Rid of Russia and Ukraines the only way possible as they'd be to scared to do.it themselves . But the more involved you get the more risks. It's been said if Russia ever attacks a NATO country all would have to back them. Do people really think that Russia is going to just keep letting NATO get more and more involved in attacks inside Russia . It's getting to the stage where it is more NATO than Ukraine fighting at the moment.

 

[lockinlove]

it's like..some of you have some pent up rage you have been waiting to release and explode.

I dont think anyone in here said an actor cant be a good president. Making up an argument to have an argument is not a good argument!

 

[Webzcas]

Great coverage here from Joe Bloggs, showing the crap that is circulating on not only Russian State TV but Social Media. Simulated nuclear attack on London no less.

Thank god for Trident.

 

[mack341]

Afaik Zelensky's term ended in May or june, he's continuing to be in charge under martial law.

Apparently, he was close to agreeing a peace deal back in 2022, but bojo quickly arrived and convinced him not to.

That would've saved a lot of bloodshed, and in the future, after Putin, who knows what new deals could've been reached diplomatically.

It's tragic to see the victims, men with no legs or missing arms, trying to carry on living a normal life. I don't how they do it, it's bravery in the face of the hardest adversity.

Once they assess the damage and costs in lives, I think the majority of Ukrainians will come to see that they've mainly been used as a geopolitical battering ram against Russia and specifically to oust Putin.

To add injury, afaik lots of the money provided to keep them going in this war is only loaned, expected to be paid back along with interest.

It's failed it's chief objective because Putin is still in charge.

And It's going to be harder for his eventual successor to break bread with the west if the missile strikes are given the go ahead - that's if there is no retailiation and escalation.

However, I don't think Nato is going to put everything on the line for east Ukraine, so if Russia were to retaliate, hitting some sort of nato depot or supply hub, the west/nato would then have the next move - like a game of Chess.

If they amassed troops for an invasion, they'd be vulnerable to battlefield tactical nukes, if they decided to mount an air campaign, the airfields in Europe would be targeted plus air defence would down jets. Russia has the home turf, that gives them logistical advantages in a conventional engagement.

But every night of this conflict would bring the fear of it going into a full nuclear war, as both sides would want first strike advantage.

I can't see how anyone can have any confidence that this thing couldn't get out of control, it's a heck of a bet over a portion of land that borders Russia, and already contains lots of russian speakers and people with religious and ethnic connections to that background.

 

[Webzcas]

Latest updates from Ukraine. Confirms massive hits on two weapons depots in Russia

 

[lockinlove]

Afaik Zelensky's term ended in May or june, he's continuing to be in charge under martial law.

Apparently, he was close to agreeing a peace deal back in 2022, but bojo quickly arrived and convinced him not to.

That would've saved a lot of bloodshed, and in the future, after Putin, who knows what new deals could've been reached diplomatically.

It's tragic to see the victims, men with no legs or missing arms, trying to carry on living a normal life. I don't how they do it, it's bravery in the face of the hardest adversity.

Once they assess the damage and costs in lives, I think the majority of Ukrainians will come to see that they've mainly been used as a geopolitical battering ram against Russia and specifically to oust Putin.

To add injury, afaik lots of the money provided to keep them going in this war is only loaned, expected to be paid back along with interest.

It's failed it's chief objective because Putin is still in charge.

And It's going to be harder for his eventual successor to break bread with the west if the missile strikes are given the go ahead - that's if there is no retailiation and escalation.

However, I don't think Nato is going to put everything on the line for east Ukraine, so if Russia were to retaliate, hitting some sort of nato depot or supply hub, the west/nato would then have the next move - like a game of Chess.

If they amassed troops for an invasion, they'd be vulnerable to battlefield tactical nukes, if they decided to mount an air campaign, the airfields in Europe would be targeted plus air defence would down jets. Russia has the home turf, that gives them logistical advantages in a conventional engagement.

But every night of this conflict would bring the fear of it going into a full nuclear war, as both sides would want first strike advantage.

I can't see how anyone can have any confidence that this thing couldn't get out of control, it's a heck of a bet over a portion of land that borders Russia, and already contains lots of russian speakers and people with religious and ethnic connections to that background.

Yes, it's because the USA are using Ukraine soldiers as their proxy. They arent losing their own people so they saw a window and took it. Now we have bloodlines ended and generations of Ukrainians wiped out. All because the USA must have war.

It's been like this for ages. Wars. Never ending wars with the USA. This time around the USA just found a way to try and weaken Russia without risking any US soldiers.

This could have been resolved fairly easy from everything I read over the past 12 years. Russia wanted the USA to agree to stay away from Ukraine and not interfere. The US could not help themselves and caused the 2014 government overthrow and started pumping weapons and training into Ukraine right away.

NATO planned on building a base in Crimea so Russia took it over. The USA kept pushing and pushing and Putin invaded. Both to keep NATO out but ALSO to try and form the old Soviet Union so the USA could no longer influence the region.

Russia was on the verge of taking over Kyiv/Ukraine with a huge military convoy. If you remember, the media tried to say they ran out of fuel etc. Which was proven to be a lie. It was stalled because of the negotiations. They came to an agreement that Russia would back off and turn around and Ukraine would sign the deal.

Only to have Bozo Boris (AKA the US puppet) get on his high horse and ride into Ukraine and tell them to back out of the deal.

And here we are.

None of these politicians care. Remember when the PM of Canada invited a german Nazi into the house of commons to celebrate him fighting the Russians? Who fought the Russians back then? Nazi's. Trudeau was called out on and exposed. He apologized like a moron. You dont need to be a historian of any kind to know that whoever fought Russia in the time frame was a nazi.

We have people in charge of countries who listen to one group only. The military industry who must have wars to keep their pockets full.

And as per usual. The media does their thing. Recruits the public to side with them by spouting nonsense and 'moving' video clips so now all we hear is 'We MuSt DeAFeaT EviL oRCS" spouted across forums and social media.

All the meanwhile safe in their basements, far from war.

 

[Webzcas]

Latest video dropped from Jake Broe. His regular monthly Q & A. Well worth a watch.

 

[geordiecolin]

Latest video dropped from Jake Broe. His regular monthly Q & A. Well worth a watch.

I watched it through and this is not a fair and balanced presentation at all and is directed only at Democrat voters.

 

[Webzcas]

I watched it through and this is not a fair and balanced presentation at all and is directed only at Democrat voters.

No, it does not pander to the Russian Propaganda narrative. Also, Jake is a one issue voter. That is he is on the side of Ukraine. Trump, is blatantly against helping Ukraine.

 

[geordiecolin]

No, it does not pander to the Russian Propaganda narrative. Also, Jake is a one issue voter. That is he is on the side of Ukraine. Trump, is blatantly against helping Ukraine.

Trump is advocating pushing for peace and is giving the voters a clear choice between the two parties. There are two positions here. What the Russians want and what America/ The UN wants. Where is the balanced reporting on the history that got them to this place and what is actually happening now?
Of course Russia blew up their own pipeline.

 

[lockinlove]

No, it does not pander to the Russian Propaganda narrative. Also, Jake is a one issue voter. That is he is on the side of Ukraine. Trump, is blatantly against helping Ukraine.

Ohh they got you by the balls huh!!

 

[geordiecolin]

Lots of videos of Ukraine rounding up men from gyms and party spots to send them to the front lines.

The face of winning

 

[TheAddict]

Saw one guy bodyslam his way out of being forced to die. Was epic. Not member if Ukr or Russia though.

 

[lockinlove]

 

[lockinlove]

Lots of videos of Ukraine rounding up men from gyms and party spots to send them to the front lines.

The face of winning

Good god. Anyone going to step in and stop this madness or we just going to keep pumping money and weapons without finding a resolution until all countries join in? So North Korea now joining the war with Russia?

Election cant come soon enough. Get these democrat war mongers out of here.

 

[geordiecolin]

Good god. Anyone going to step in and stop this madness or we just going to keep pumping money and weapons without finding a resolution until all countries join in? So North Korea now joining the war with Russia?

Election cant come soon enough. Get these democrat war mongers out of here.

Thank your god that you wish to see an end to the madness

 

[lockinlove]

Thank your god that you wish to see an end to the madness

Just wild George

 

[geordiecolin]

Just wild George

You seem impossible sometimes.
Let me hear what your man thinks?
Without creating a domestic

 

[lockinlove]

You seem impossible sometimes.
Let me hear what your man thinks?
Without creating a domestic

You have to remember you get the "venting" part of me here. Its my place to vent so most of my posts are a bit different than most here.

I blame the UK thread for it all. Drifting in there by mistake and then seeing some wild posts supporting illegal immigration and the government treating the people like peasants and then some UK citizens actually defending it!

 

[geordiecolin]

You have to remember you get the "venting" part of me here. Its my place to vent so most of my posts are a bit different than most here.

I blame the UK thread for it all. Drifting in there by mistake and then seeing some wild posts supporting illegal immigration and the government treating the people like peasants and then some UK citizens actually defending it!

Meh. I love you and your partner can not take that away from me. But I disagree with your hatred of palastinians . It is sick