Ukraine Mess

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The scene was set after Crimea, which for many, faded into a memory. NATO are powerless, a limp penis is a game of call my bluff.

Hazard a guess he’s not that nuts to send a nuke, but you don’t know.
Powerless? It's a shitty organisation but combined military strength even if Russia and China combined all their strength they would be easily defeated if nobody touches those nuke buttons.

China doesn't even have any military experience in this generation. Nobody wants their weapons. Even Irans weapons that look about 50 years older are more sophisticated in real combat. The only thing that is important here is gas/oil and nukes.. it's the only leverage they have.

That being said. I think that the West and the East are all a bunch of hypocrits and warmongers. The US military complex is making bank.
Only normal people will suffer in wars. The elite from both sides are financially set even if they lose.

Whenever there is a situation like in Syria which is very well possible unfortunately nobody wins except Toyota.
 

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That being said. I think that the West and the East are all a bunch of hypocrits and warmongers. The US military complex is making bank.

That is the harsh truth of the matter right there.

Speaking of hypocrisy and changing narratives, I know I keep posting Russell Brand videos but I find him a less biased source of news than the mainstream media.

Apparently, Facebook has changed its stance on allowing Neo-Nazi posts, which used to be banned, to fit the narrative, along with Amazon selling t-shirts and mugs now in support.

I don't have much of an opinion either way, except for the war must stop and once again the lives of the common man are being sacrificed for monetary gain. I feel for the Ukrainians and Russian conscripts, who took a route to the army as a way out of poverty alike but found this real news piece interesting.

 

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Boris going to saudi where they just beheaded 81 people to ask for more oil, then carry on assisting them to bomb Yemen, and then moralize some more. How can there be a global order of shared values. The elite and politicians for the most part are sanctimonious bs merchants, and that will include the russian and chinese versions spinning a yarn to their public also.

Power games and geopolitics, with vested interests in the arms selling business and elsewhere rubbing their hands too no doubt.

General Smedley Butler knew the score

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Boris going to saudi where they just beheaded 81 people to ask for more oil, then carry on assisting them to bomb Yemen, and then moralize some more. How can there be a global order of shared values. The elite and politicians for the most part are sanctimonious bs merchants, and that will include the russian and chinese versions spinning a yarn to their public also.

Power games and geopolitics, with vested interests in the arms selling business and elsewhere rubbing their hands too no doubt.

General Smedley Butler knew the score

See the source image
Indeed. Nobody cares about Yemen tho. Saudi coalition with billions worth of modern US weapons are bombing this country on daily basis for several years now. Blaming Iran for supporting the houthies.. fine so you need to bomb the whole country into oblivion to fight those people walking on flip flops? I don't understand ANY country supporting that country but they can murder a journalist in another sovereign country, the whole world knows but still the whole world chooses to support them and sanction the Persians instead lmao. According to Netenyahu Iran is only a few weeks to a few months away from a nuclear weapon (accusation made repeatedly for over 20 years). The fact is that when Iran tried to be democratic the west didn't allow it. All you need to search for is Iran and 1953 no conspiracy there since the coup was admitted later as you can see for yourself.

Now back to the real issue. Did you guys see crying russian influencers on Instagram and other social hubs? While Ukrainians are dying? Well that is just sick.
 

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Cant say i know the truth about anyones reasons for this, but i think we can clearly see propaganda from both sides west and east. Who knows the absolute truth about it and how come nobody is looking at the fact the US been doing basically the same things to countries and nobody ever accused them for warcrimes. after all i feel with the people of Ukrain but might not be the time to point fingers in any direction
 

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I know casinomeister isn't in the best terms with slottyvegas. But at least on this point it seems you guys agree. I actually always thought they were Russians operating from Ukraine.
 

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I know casinomeister isn't in the best terms with slottyvegas. But at least on this point it seems you guys agree. I actually always thought they were Russians operating from Ukraine.
And I made a 45 euro deposit with them just now. Played one new game and cashout of 250 euro. Live chat blocked gameplay until withdrawal is processed. Can't say a bod word about them especially since they changed their logo.
 

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Yesterday biden:

"And you’re going to see when you’re there. And you — some — some of you have been there. You’re going to see — you’re going to see women, young people standing — standing the middle of — in front of a damn tank, just saying, “I’m not leaving. I’m holding my ground.” They’re incredible. But they take a lot of inspiration from us," Biden said as per the official White House transcript during an interaction with US troops stationed in Poland near the border with Ukraine.


And while many have dismissed this as a gaffe, others remain convinced that that this is an indication that the US now has plans to send troops into Ukraine. Follow up reports quoting the Biden administration however insist that the US stance remains unchanged.


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And earlier today he was quoted as saying putin cannot remain in power, which sounds like a call or desire for regime change; as some analysts have said, the immediate goals are a peace deal and to prevent escalation, whereas this makes negotiations more tricky as you've just said the other side's leader has got to go.
 

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The thing also with the nuclear missile side of things is the risk of false alerts, and the subs are underwater, so not good to get closer to a mexican standoff situation. I'm not anxious atm but putin is definitely being backed into a corner, he might get ousted internally but if not then what?
 

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The thing also with the nuclear missile side of things is the risk of false alerts, and the subs are underwater, so not good to get closer to a mexican standoff situation. I'm not anxious atm but putin is definitely being backed into a corner, he might get ousted internally but if not then what?
I'm not losing sleep, but def a corner of my mind 'thinking about' kinda thing
 

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The thing also with the nuclear missile side of things is the risk of false alerts, and the subs are underwater, so not good to get closer to a mexican standoff situation. I'm not anxious atm but putin is definitely being backed into a corner, he might get ousted internally but if not then what?

I read today the Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia has voiced their disapproval of the war in Ukraine and apparently the Kremlin has always taken them very serious as a pressure group. Zelensky and Ukrainian intelligence are trying to influence them by providing them information on Russian soldiers who were KIA or taken as a POW. They have recently been labeled as a dangerous "foreign agent" and Putin is very wary of them.

I for one wouldn't be surprised if there is atleast an attempt on Putin's life from a Kremlin-insider if this mess gets even more out of hand. Or if he starts retreating and said they "liberated" the Donbass. Using the nuclear option is suicide for Russia.
 

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I read today the Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia has voiced their disapproval of the war in Ukraine and apparently the Kremlin has always taken them very serious as a pressure group. Zelensky and Ukrainian intelligence are trying to influence them by providing them information on Russian soldiers who were KIA or taken as a POW. They have recently been labeled as a dangerous "foreign agent" and Putin is very wary of them.

I for one wouldn't be surprised if there is atleast an attempt on Putin's life from a Kremlin-insider if this mess gets even more out of hand. Or if he starts retreating and said they "liberated" the Donbass. Using the nuclear option is suicide for Russia.
that's pretty much the only reason I can still sleep at night
He's....too arrogant and self-absorbed to take himself off the map
 

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