UK: Muslim Patrol Jailed for Enforcing Sharia Law on Random People

[Balthazar]

'Muslim Patrol' jailed for harassing couple holding hands and men drinking in a bid to enforce Sharia law in East London

'Let go of each other's hands. This is a Muslim area!'





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[dunover]

Yeah, the ultimate form of oppression, communism and sexism/homophobism has been happening a while now, as it always does in towns or areas where the colonizers have outgrown the population of the indigenous people and feel confident enough to take control. They respect no democratic man-made laws, only their own twisted version of a 1400 year old book. This is the result. As you can see they have made real efforts to assimilate into Western society.

 

[Cleveland]

Interesting. My wife and I typically hold hands when out in public. That incident would have ended a lot worst for them

 

[rockycatt]

at first glance and because of the sign held up and the recognizable knitted beanie i hope the/what apears to be pot stirrer older gent gets to share in the time in jail sentence [excessory before the crime ] might just be the root cause

just a take on the photo

 

[bigjohn]

Now what you gotta do is get all the purple haired freaky types, gays and lesbians, people showing affection in public and have a nice sit in right in that neighborhood. This type of thing must be squashed way before it can gather momentum.

Freedom of expression in your own Country is nothing to toy with.

 

[Mouche12]

Scary indeed, zero tolerance among those fanatics.

Are there any solutions, other than jail time (which is, of course, the proper punishment)? How should we deal with these people, especially the young?

 

[skiny]

This has always been the issue I have with religion. It's not the fact that people believe in something ridiculous. It's the fact that they're not happy unless I do.

The truth is, I just don't care what you believe. I don't care if you wrap your entire life around that belief. Dress however you like. Eat or refuse to eat whatever you like. Pray to whatever god or gods you believe in and refuse to accept whatever reality science has proven to be true. But unless you can get one of these gods to come down here and give me a damn firm handshake, don't expect me to play along.

If you believe I'm going to go to hell for my sins then let me go to hell in peace. Religion needs to learn to mind it's bloody business about what everyone else is doing. I've never been a big fan of these public displays of affection. I can do without watching people making out on the street. But a person really needs to get a grip if they're losing what little self control they do have because they see two people holding hands (gay or not.)

The way I see it if you're a Muslim, well good for you. You joined a club that has a specific set of rules. I don't want to follow your rules so I'm not allowed in your club. That's as far as it should go. The very second that you start telling me I should be following your rules whether I've joined your little club or not is when I start getting offended. Society has it's own set of rules. The difference is we've been refining our rules for centuries whereas you've just decided that yours should never change.

I have my own set of beliefs. I believe we should be allowed to culturally advance. I believe we should learn new things and I believe that we should base our opinions on the knowledge we have now and not the things we believed centuries ago. I believe that we should democratically decide what kind of behaviours are detrimental to society as a whole and barring those few rules that keep us safe and secure we should be free to personally chose how we live our lives.

People who can't accept these simple beliefs have no place in a civilized society.

 

[rockycatt]

re what is going on right here is a cse of breeding terrorist by means of religions fanaticism

so polititions / law enforcement /judges do your job

 

[Nifty29]

Scary indeed, zero tolerance among those fanatics.

Are there any solutions, other than jail time (which is, of course, the proper punishment)? How should we deal with these people, especially the young?

1. Revoke the UK citizenship of ALL involved in such behaviour.

2. Deport ALL involved to the nearest Muslim country.

3. Invoice them and their families for ALL costs, and acquire all property and possessions to cover it.

Until the UK gets tough on this religious extremism crap, it will continue to fester and spread like the bubonic plague, and the country will become a battleground. It is not unthinkable that it could spark a civil war in the future.

If Muslims or anyone else want to live under different rules to those established by the UK and it's predominantly Christian population, then they should go live where Sharia law and other such barbarism is the norm. The Muslim extremists seem bell bent on forcing everyone else to follow Islam....in my view, it's a classic case of feeble-minded n'ere-do-wells pointing the finger at everyone else and passing judgement on their lives to avoid having to look at and take responsibility for their own.

I think skiny made some excellent points.

 

[Balthazar]

1. Revoke the UK citizenship of ALL involved in such behaviour.

2. Deport ALL involved to the nearest Muslim country.

3. Invoice them and their families for ALL costs, and acquire all property and possessions to cover it.

Once they have citizenship, there's nothing you can do without opening a dangerous door.

How about stopping letting them in? Too simple?

 

[Nifty29]

Once they have citizenship, there's nothing you can do without opening a dangerous door.

How about stopping letting them in? Too simple?

True. It would be much easier to stop the influx.

Problem is, how do you know they're going to be an extremist? I don't think all Muslims should be banned, as there are some very genuine Islamic people who are against violence....who, incidentally, should be doing more to stop it.

A good first step would be to widen the illegal immigration laws to allow severe punishment for those who harbour or sponsor extremists. I've heard quite a few arrive illegally.

Whilst the Western governments remain hamstrung by the political correctness lobby and the do-gooders, the violence and infiltration will get worse and make the riots of a few years back look like a scrabble tournament.

 

[skiny]

1. Revoke the UK citizenship of ALL involved in such behaviour.

2. Deport ALL involved to the nearest Muslim country.

3. Invoice them and their families for ALL costs, and acquire all property and possessions to cover it.

Until the UK gets tough on this religious extremism crap, it will continue to fester and spread like the bubonic plague, and the country will become a battleground. It is not unthinkable that it could spark a civil war in the future.

If Muslims or anyone else want to live under different rules to those established by the UK and it's predominantly Christian population, then they should go live where Sharia law and other such barbarism is the norm. The Muslim extremists seem bell bent on forcing everyone else to follow Islam....in my view, it's a classic case of feeble-minded n'ere-do-wells pointing the finger at everyone else and passing judgement on their lives to avoid having to look at and take responsibility for their own.

I think skiny made some excellent points.

I've made similar points in the past about people migrating to other countries only to break the laws, try to force people to follow their beliefs or just cause trouble in general. It seems to me that it takes a lot of nerve to accept the hospitality of a foreign country and then not respect the people who already live there. I do believe in freedom of religion but I also believe in freedom from religion. People who do not share other people's beliefs should be able to live peacefully without harassment.

Once they have citizenship, there's nothing you can do without opening a dangerous door.

How about stopping letting them in? Too simple?

I don't believe that people should be given unconditional citizenships. If you apply for citizenship to any country you should do so under the understanding that you're expected to follow that country's laws and although you're welcome to bring your culture with you, it is not acceptable to try to force others to follow your beliefs. You're expected to lead a law abiding, peaceful life. If you're not capable of this your citizenship should be revoked.

The problem is, not every extremist is a first generation immigrant. People born and raised in western civilizations have been swayed to follow these religious beliefs and when these people break the law they need to be dealt with internally. Personally, I think that crimes based religious beliefs regardless of how petty should be given the same rank as hate crimes. It seems to me that most western countries take a slightly more liberal stand when it comes to religion than they do with race. We should have no more tolerance for religious crime or harassment than we do for racial crime or harassment.

It's not small and it's not petty. Just like a lack of racial acceptance, if it's not kept in check it's something that will only simmer for so long. Eventually it will come to a boil. People need to understand that following a religion is a personal choice and accept that not everyone has made this choice. If you can't accept this then again, you have no place in a civilized society.

 

[GrandMaster]

Once they have citizenship, there's nothing you can do without opening a dangerous door.

How about stopping letting them in? Too simple?

Some of them are born in the UK to white, non-Muslim British parents and convert to Islam later.

Btw, in some places Catholic and Protestant areas of Belfast are still separated by walls and gates which are locked at night. Nobody has ever suggested that stopping Catholic or Protestant immigration would solve the terrorist problem in Norther Ireland.

 

[bigjohn]

The citizens are the first line of defense.

I am not sure why the people in the video that accompanied that story acted the way they did, I can only assume they chose to film people they thought they could push around. Try approaching a couple in Manhattan or LA or Dallas and tell them you are the Muslim Patrol and that holding hands is not permitted or that you are not permitted to walk near their Mosque and see what happens.

The police will not be needed because by the time they get there the Muslim Patrol will be having a little nap.

The citizenry may have to do it themselves, neighborhood by neighborhood. A knuckle sammitch' can be a great teaching aid.

 

[dunover]

Some of them are born in the UK to white, non-Muslim British parents and convert to Islam later.

Btw, in some places Catholic and Protestant areas of Belfast are still separated by walls and gates which are locked at night. Nobody has ever suggested that stopping Catholic or Protestant immigration would solve the terrorist problem in Norther Ireland.

Please ignore the above nonsense. GM compares a domestic conflict going back 350 years with a modern phenomenon caused by non-compatible third world immigration. You get a tiny amount of indigenous folk (like the one in the picture who probably already felt marginalized for being ginger and ugly) who have limited intelligence and lack of wherewithal to leave the ghettoes like most other indigenous people have, and are thus 'easy converts' to the 'religion of peace and tolerance'
These are few and far between. Most indigenous Christian people in the UK reject this medieval nonsense because they have been brought up to be tolerant, democratic and free. The photo is a case in point - our people leave Mr. Ginger to get on with his choices unmolested and unquestioned. If the shoe were on the other foot, and he had left Allah's flock for that of Christ, he would be subject to a Fatwah and execution as an apostate.

Get with it Grandmaster. Please.

 

[skiny]

The citizens are the first line of defense.

I am not sure why the people in the video that accompanied that story acted the way they did, I can only assume they chose to film people they thought they could push around. Try approaching a couple in Manhattan or LA or Dallas and tell them you are the Muslim Patrol and that holding hands is not permitted or that you are not permitted to walk near their Mosque and see what happens.

The police will not be needed because by the time they get there the Muslim Patrol will be having a little nap.

The citizenry may have to do it themselves, neighborhood by neighborhood. A knuckle sammitch' can be a great teaching aid.

They may well deserve it but violence only breeds more violence. There's already too much bloodshed in the name of religion.

 

[dunover]

The citizens are the first line of defense.

I am not sure why the people in the video that accompanied that story acted the way they did, I can only assume they chose to film people they thought they could push around. Try approaching a couple in Manhattan or LA or Dallas and tell them you are the Muslim Patrol and that holding hands is not permitted or that you are not permitted to walk near their Mosque and see what happens.

The police will not be needed because by the time they get there the Muslim Patrol will be having a little nap.

The citizenry may have to do it themselves, neighborhood by neighborhood. A knuckle sammitch' can be a great teaching aid.

You will get this in the USA too as Islamic immigration/takeover increases. But as an American friend of mine said "We are armed. If they play-up, you will have 'Cowboys and muslims'.....

 

[bigjohn]

They may well deserve it but violence only breeds more violence. There's already too much bloodshed in the name of religion.

I agree somewhat but we have had neighborhoods that became overrun with drug dealers and gangs and, after the local governments proved ineffective, the citizens rose up and kicked the shit out of them and ran them off.

That has happened here and continues.

I believe violence definitely has a place in protecting our neighborhoods, our children and the people and ideas that are dear to us. A well placed kick in the ass early, when a problem is still in the developmental stages, can prevent bloodshed and save lives later on.

Is the alternative is to give up and just watch the further deterioration of society? No, not yet.

 

[rockycatt]

Some of them are born in the UK to white, non-Muslim British parents and convert to Islam later.

Btw, in some places Catholic and Protestant areas of Belfast are still separated by walls and gates which are locked at night. Nobody has ever suggested that stopping Catholic or Protestant immigration would solve the terrorist problem in Norther Ireland.

this is a moot statement here in the states we have thousands of gated community's wih uniformed guards to keep all kinds of un wanted person's out especially in 55 year old and above comunity's and so does the rest of the free world

 

[skiny]

I agree somewhat but we have had neighborhoods that became overrun with drug dealers and gangs and, after the local governments proved ineffective, the citizens rose up and kicked the shit out of them and ran them off.

That has happened here and continues.

I believe violence definitely has a place in protecting our neighborhoods, our children and the people and ideas that are dear to us. A well placed kick in the ass early, when a problem is still in the developmental stages, can prevent bloodshed and save lives later on.

Is the alternative is to give up and just watch the further deterioration of society? No, not yet.

I'm not saying that some people don't deserve that kick in the arse but I think that this is a different circumstance. As I've said, I equate religious intolerance with racial intolerance. I've yet to hear a historic account where racial violence was solved with more violence.

We're not talking about hoodlums looking for a good street corner to sell drugs. You're not going to convince religious fanatics and extremists to desist by beating one of them up. They fly airplanes into buildings.

It's a complex issue and it won't be solved with street violence.

 

[dionysus]

I really, really was going to stay out of this one, lol, as these tend to get very heated over time. So, instead of debating merits, I'm just going to put in my 2 cents and personal experiences.

I used to live, for 2 years, in a 90% muslim country. Rules were different, laws were stricter, tolerances were lower. But these were in general, not universal. I happened to be living there during 9/11 when the news come over the tv in a bar, of besides, perhaps 5 caucasians, contained only locals. There was shock, awe, the gauntlet...but noone was cheering, rooting or advocating.

I came across one wagon of rioters outside the school with their hate banners and flags, protests and screams. When they passed me, what did I get? Not rocks, not hate-crime - but 'hey dude', waves and smiles.

Point is, there's extremists...everywhere, and those who sign up and those of the same race/group/culture who don't give a rat's ass.

People say 'oh well, you come HERE, you better behave like US'..I've seen the other side..Americans/Brits and Canadians going THERE and expecting (nay, demanding) to be treated as they would back home, and zero respect or attempt to meld or follow along there. My meal took 10 minutes? Why in MY country, I want it NOW...why CAN'T I wear shorts in the Mosque? etc etc etc.

Anyway, it's frustrating when I come across so often people judging other cultures when immigrating here, but wanting their cake and eating it too when going there - the hypocrisy is nuts.
And anyone who thinks living this side of the pond, there arent those forcing archaic beliefs on others INDIGENOUS to here either arent gay, black, Asian, Spanish or live in a homogenous town.

lol, rant over.
peace

 

[Balthazar]

People say 'oh well, you come HERE, you better behave like US'..I've seen the other side..Americans/Brits and Canadians going THERE and expecting (nay, demanding) to be treated as they would back home

Well that's nuts. If you go there, you better expect to live like you're in the 3rd world and be treated as such, because that's where you are. Those caucasians living there asking to be treated like at home were complete idiots and deserved to get slapped.

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As of 2011, it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years. By 2030, Muslims will make up more than a quarter of the global population.

For the sake of humanity, can we just shut the door now, please? Before it's too late?

 

[Balthazar]

True. It would be much easier to stop the influx.

Problem is, how do you know they're going to be an extremist?

Do we really need to find out? Are we so desperate to be PC that we absolutely need Muslims in the country, and make sure that we let "the good ones" in? How about everyone stays home and stops trying to "free" the other side?

 

[dionysus]

well, as Canadians, yes. Our entire culture is based on the premise of multi-ethnicity and multi-culture. Noone has any more right here to call Canada 'their kind' of people. What, because the Catholics, Christians or protestants are any more worthy?

 

[dionysus]

Do we really need to find out? Are we so desperate to be PC that we absolutely need Muslims in the country, and make sure that we let "the good ones" in? How about everyone stays home and stops trying to "free" the other side?

Ok, 2nd-generation euros, pack it up, go back

 

[Balthazar]

Ok, 2nd-generation euros, pack it up, go back

"Home" in this case = the Western World. I don't consider myself any different than others living in the Western Culture, even if they live on the other side of the planet. That's why it pains me when I see what's happening in the UK, I consider the UK like home even if I've never been there (even more so since we're part of the Commonwealth). We are the same people sharing the same values, that's it. You'd see me and if I'd not talk (revealing the accent), it would be impossible to tell if I'm from Canada, USA, UK, Italy, France or Australia just by looking at how I dress, how I eat, what I do for a living or who I pray to (or not). Because we're the same.

Now ask me about Pakistan, or Lybia, how much I've in common with the vast majority of the people who live there.

 

[rockycatt]

really it's this simple [in rome do as the Romans ] and i think that is out lined in the good book [give to ceaser what is his , give to god what is his ] anything else is rude

 

[dionysus]

Well, perhaps the majority of your friends dress a certain way, and have a rather homogenous style and view-point. Among my circle of friends, it rather runs the gauntlet. Having worked with staff consisting of Canadians, Americans, Australians, Brits and South Africans I've come across several similarities and VAST differences.

In my 40 plus years living here, from one end of the country to the other and in between, in about perhaps 30 different cities, I've not come across any existing or impending muslim crisis which threatens my/our standard of living.

As to sharing the same values of our across-the-pond brethren, that's rather a personal evaluation, not a blanket one.

With a native BF, Guyanese niece, several black cousins and a Pilipino sister-in-law, about the only thing we often have in common is the family affairs we attend. Sure we might have some same beliefs, morals and ideas (as we do opposing ones), but I've been to Muslim countries where there's the same differences and commonalities as well.

 

[dionysus]

really it's this simple [in rome do as the Romans ] and i think that is out lined in the good book [give to ceaser what is his , give to god what is his ] anything else is rude

well, that rather depends on what your version of Rome is: what's the common factor here? We have those of faith, those without, gay, anti-gay, abortion, anti-abortion. Even among ourselves, we don't have a standard.

 

[Balthazar]

With a native BF, Guyanese niece, several black cousins and a Pilipino sister-in-law, about the only thing we often have in common is the family affairs we attend

It's a cultural thing, not a color-of-the-skin thing.

You are a male? And you have a BF? How would you feel if you had a bunch of neighbors that would want to stone you to death? Do you actually think it's impossible for them to eventually take power in the West and bring their laws?

 

[dionysus]

Er, we have those kinds of people still today. Right wing conservatives, gay-bashers, hate crimes, religious zealots, who'd not only want me dead, but have tried with others, and not so far back as we'd like to believe. As liberal as Canada may be, as tall and broad as I am, while I may want to walk the streets holding my BF's hand, in the wrong neighbourhood, I don't want a bottle upside the head either. And those by the way, aren't the Muslims - those are our good old local boys
As to 'bringing their laws', look how divided the states currently are in the gay-marriage issue. Racism still runs rampant, even directed toward 1st, 2nd and 23rd generation blacks.

I'm not worried about the Muslim take-over. We've enough idiots and bigots in our own backyards. And not every Muslim has an agenda.

 

[skiny]

I really, really was going to stay out of this one, lol, as these tend to get very heated over time. So, instead of debating merits, I'm just going to put in my 2 cents and personal experiences.

I used to live, for 2 years, in a 90% muslim country. Rules were different, laws were stricter, tolerances were lower. But these were in general, not universal. I happened to be living there during 9/11 when the news come over the tv in a bar, of besides, perhaps 5 caucasians, contained only locals. There was shock, awe, the gauntlet...but noone was cheering, rooting or advocating.

I came across one wagon of rioters outside the school with their hate banners and flags, protests and screams. When they passed me, what did I get? Not rocks, not hate-crime - but 'hey dude', waves and smiles.

Point is, there's extremists...everywhere, and those who sign up and those of the same race/group/culture who don't give a rat's ass.

People say 'oh well, you come HERE, you better behave like US'..I've seen the other side..Americans/Brits and Canadians going THERE and expecting (nay, demanding) to be treated as they would back home, and zero respect or attempt to meld or follow along there. My meal took 10 minutes? Why in MY country, I want it NOW...why CAN'T I wear shorts in the Mosque? etc etc etc.

Anyway, it's frustrating when I come across so often people judging other cultures when immigrating here, but wanting their cake and eating it too when going there - the hypocrisy is nuts.
And anyone who thinks living this side of the pond, there arent those forcing archaic beliefs on others INDIGENOUS to here either arent gay, black, Asian, Spanish or live in a homogenous town.

lol, rant over.
peace

The next time you're in this 90% Muslim country stop people on the street and try forcing some non Muslim beliefs on them. See how peaceful that turns out.

Nobody of any religion should be forcing their beliefs on anyone regardless of what country they're in. No good has ever come from forced religious conversion.

Personally I would really prefer that everyone just accept that we're all the same species stuck on this rock for the foreseeable future and quite possibly alone in the universe and we'd be a whole lot better off learning to peacefully coexist instead of fighting about which god is the correct one this century.

But you won't find me on the street shoving it down your throat.

 

[Balthazar]

I'm not worried about the Muslim take-over. We've enough idiots and bigots in our own backyards.

I get it now. Bunch of drunks who might, or might not, throw an empty beer bottle at you = same as being stoned to death by your government. Divided on gay marriage = same as forcing a teen girl to marry her rapist. Some rare low-level racism towards blacks = same as beheading Christians.

It's all the same, really. Nothing to worry about.

Liberalism gone mad.

 

[dionysus]

I get it now. Bunch of drunks who might, or might not, throw an empty beer bottle at you = same as being stoned to death by your government. Divided on gay marriage = same as forcing a teen girl to marry her rapist. Some rare low-level racism towards blacks = same as beheading Christians.

It's all the same, really. Nothing to worry about.

Liberalism gone mad.

and conservatives anticipating problems where they dont exist

 

[dionysus]

The next time you're in this 90% Muslim country stop people on the street and try forcing some non Muslim beliefs on them. See how peaceful that turns out.

Nobody of any religion should be forcing their beliefs on anyone regardless of what country they're in. No good has ever come from forced religious conversion.

Personally I would really prefer that everyone just accept that we're all the same species stuck on this rock for the foreseeable future and quite possibly alone in the universe and we'd be a whole lot better off learning to peacefully coexist instead of fighting about which god is the correct one this century.

But you won't find me on the street shoving it down your throat.

lol, that's done everywhere, every day...we call them missionaries...free food, subscribe to our God

 

[dionysus]

I get it now. Bunch of drunks who might, or might not, throw an empty beer bottle at you = same as being stoned to death by your government. Divided on gay marriage = same as forcing a teen girl to marry her rapist. Some rare low-level racism towards blacks = same as beheading Christians.

It's all the same, really. Nothing to worry about.

Liberalism gone mad.

No, but youve drawn weak comparisons....how about hanging blacks (still happens), beating gays to death (yup that too), capital punishment, there's that, and lots in the name of Christianity..Muslims dont have the market on zeal in the name of religion and politics, we've enough of our own

 

[GrandMaster]

this is a moot statement here in the states we have thousands of gated community's wih uniformed guards to keep all kinds of un wanted person's out especially in 55 year old and above comunity's and so does the rest of the free world

These are not gated communities:

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[Balthazar]

No, but youve drawn weak comparisons....how about hanging blacks (still happens)

Where? Is the State doing it or punishing it? Would the people here as a whole tolerate this shit if it was done publicly?

Beating gays to death (yup that too)

Is the State doing it or punishing it? What about us, the people? Are we for it? Are YOU for it?

Why are you trying to convince me that we are as fucked up as a society as they are?

Do you believe that gay men in Afghanistan have a life just as easy as yours, dionysus? That it's the same? That while they fear for their lives, yours is just as bad because someone in a bad neighborhood might throw a bottle at you? Is that what you're saying? We are as bad as them? You have it as bad as them? Same boat?

 

[dunover]

Er, we have those kinds of people still today. Right wing conservatives, gay-bashers, hate crimes, religious zealots, who'd not only want me dead, but have tried with others, and not so far back as we'd like to believe. As liberal as Canada may be, as tall and broad as I am, while I may want to walk the streets holding my BF's hand, in the wrong neighbourhood, I don't want a bottle upside the head either. And those by the way, aren't the Muslims - those are our good old local boys
As to 'bringing their laws', look how divided the states currently are in the gay-marriage issue. Racism still runs rampant, even directed toward 1st, 2nd and 23rd generation blacks.

I'm not worried about the Muslim take-over. We've enough idiots and bigots in our own backyards. And not every Muslim has an agenda.

Well, you should be.
Your post tells us you don't have any idea of what goes on in countries like UK/Holland/France/Sweden/Norway when these 'not all of them are bad' muslims take over areas of the cities, which then become 'their' areas. As well as Balts OP there a worse examples - a white schoolteacher being stabbed for teaching religious education to muslims, a muslim girl attacked for serving in her pharmacy with 'inappropriate clothing' and numerous cases of racist sexual paedophilic grooming. That's before we get on to terrorism and of course nobody's mentioned the appalling murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, for which the trial of the two scumbags who committed it is continuing as we speak.
You fail to distinguish that your local drunks and right-wing Cons seldom commit offences of this magnitude and secondly they are always aware that they are subject to the laws of your country for their behaviour - and that is a HUGE difference you need to be aware of.
The irony is that the people of liberal views like yourself who always are ready to spout a defence or justify the behaviours of muslims have the most to fear from them.

 

[Balthazar]

The irony is that the people of liberal views like yourself who always are ready to spout a defence or justify the behaviours of muslims have the most to fear from them.

It's unbelievable isn't it? If I were an ultra Liberal homosexual, the VERY LAST THING I'd want is a Muslim take over. Literally the last thing.

 

[dunover]

It's unbelievable isn't it? If I were an ultra Liberal homosexual, the VERY LAST THING I'd want is a Muslim take over. Literally the last thing.

Or a gambler....

The paradox of blind liberalism.

 

[Balthazar]

Or a gambler....

The paradox of blind liberalism.

Short story:
Back in my "hardcore socialist" days (in my 20's), an older man that was coming often at my workplace told me that liberalism was acting similar to a mental illness on the brain, that is was taking away your faculties to think rationally. I got really offended and never talked to him again, which sucked because outside of politics I liked the old guy.

I thought about it recently and I get what he was saying now.

 

[mathsboy1975]

The UK is effectively hamstrung by its membership of the EU when it comes to blocking entry of Europeans so blocking EU muslims would never be an option. It is also nothing less than utterly incompetent/ineffective when it comes to deporting or preventing entry of illegal immigrants. Talk of revoking British citizenship makes no sense when applied to a 3rd generation British muslim.

I am not defending this UK muslim patrol at all - they have been imprisoned as they should be. I am sure they should be imprisoned for a lot longer as the trend now seems to be to hand out very light sentences but that is another debate. The fact is though that, unfortunately, Western politicians are also guilty of doing exactly what this UK muslim patrol have done (just on a much grander scale) in trying to enforce democracy onto countries that are not necessarily looking for it or want it. Let's go back 10 or so years to when the Tony Blair UK government makes up a story about Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction - cue decimation of Baghdad via cruise missile bombardment. After several months of this the west tries to help implement a puppet democratic government and years later there is still no stability there. Same applies to Afghanistan. Can we honestly say that Western governments have not tried to enforce their ideals onto these governments? Yes Saddam Hussein was an evil man and many innocents died at his hands. The same can be said of Robert Mugabe but I don't see US troops over there removing him from office.

I have no time for muslim extremism but let us be honest and ask what proportion of the muslim population actually share the radical ideals of the fanatics who were imprisoned? The only answer to that is that nobody knows. I suspect that it is an incredibly low proportion. I am certain that similar incidents will occur again in future and they should ideally be stamped on very early by the Police and very harsh sentences given to the defenders. If anything I would like to see the muslim community leaders make their discontent with this more radical part of their community known in a louder voice and do a LOT more to combat it internally. We hear often that the bulk of muslims despise this radical element of their religion but we seldom see any actions that back up the rhetoric.

The whole problem is exacerbated here in the UK by the liberal (usually non-muslim) types who raise their voices in uproar on behalf of muslims when anyone has the audacity to question Islam in ANY way. It is almost a taboo subject and the PC thought-Police have ensured that people are too afraid to voice their opinions or concerns on the matter for fear of being branded a racist/right winger. Most muslims will already be aware of it but more must be done by the government and Police forces to make it quite clear that UK law is the one and only law that applies to ANYONE here and that anyone who thinks otherwise finds themself on the receiving end of it by receiving a lengthy prison sentence.

Ah well rant over. It achieves nothing at the end of the day but I like a lively debate.

 

[skiny]

The UK is effectively hamstrung by its membership of the EU when it comes to blocking entry of Europeans so blocking EU muslims would never be an option. It is also nothing less than utterly incompetent/ineffective when it comes to deporting or preventing entry of illegal immigrants. Talk of revoking British citizenship makes no sense when applied to a 3rd generation British muslim.

I am not defending this UK muslim patrol at all - they have been imprisoned as they should be. I am sure they should be imprisoned for a lot longer as the trend now seems to be to hand out very light sentences but that is another debate. The fact is though that, unfortunately, Western politicians are also guilty of doing exactly what this UK muslim patrol have done (just on a much grander scale) in trying to enforce democracy onto countries that are not necessarily looking for it or want it. Let's go back 10 or so years to when the Tony Blair UK government makes up a story about Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction - cue decimation of Baghdad via cruise missile bombardment. After several months of this the west tries to help implement a puppet democratic government and years later there is still no stability there. Same applies to Afghanistan. Can we honestly say that Western governments have not tried to enforce their ideals onto these governments? Yes Saddam Hussein was an evil man and many innocents died at his hands. The same can be said of Robert Mugabe but I don't see US troops over there removing him from office.

I have no time for muslim extremism but let us be honest and ask what proportion of the muslim population actually share the radical ideals of the fanatics who were imprisoned? The only answer to that is that nobody knows. I suspect that it is an incredibly low proportion. I am certain that similar incidents will occur again in future and they should ideally be stamped on very early by the Police and very harsh sentences given to the defenders. If anything I would like to see the muslim community leaders make their discontent with this more radical part of their community known in a louder voice and do a LOT more to combat it internally. We hear often that the bulk of muslims despise this radical element of their religion but we seldom see any actions that back up the rhetoric.

The whole problem is exacerbated here in the UK by the liberal (usually non-muslim) types who raise their voices in uproar on behalf of muslims when anyone has the audacity to question Islam in ANY way. It is almost a taboo subject and the PC thought-Police have ensured that people are too afraid to voice their opinions or concerns on the matter for fear of being branded a racist/right winger. Most muslims will already be aware of it but more must be done by the government and Police forces to make it quite clear that UK law is the one and only law that applies to ANYONE here and that anyone who thinks otherwise finds themself on the receiving end of it by receiving a lengthy prison sentence.

Ah well rant over. It achieves nothing at the end of the day but I like a lively debate.

A single debate by a handful of people changes nothing. A thousand debates by tens of thousands of people can change everything.

 

[bigjohn]

A single debate by a handful of people changes nothing. A thousand debates by tens of thousands of people can change everything.

A single debate, agreed. Debates rarely bear fruit unless acted upon.

Action is what is needed.

A few committed individuals can and do make major changes, after all, that's how my Country came to be.

 

[dionysus]

It's unbelievable isn't it? If I were an ultra Liberal homosexual, the VERY LAST THING I'd want is a Muslim take over. Literally the last thing.

what, you think there aren't gay Muslims? I wasn't celibate for two years, lmao
unbelievable is right

 

[dionysus]

Or a gambler....

The paradox of blind liberalism.

Oh right, I forgot..Christians are PRO gambling and gay

 

[skiny]

I wouldn't even bother arguing about which religion is better or worse. No religious group should be dictating what people do or how they act. Religious beliefs are not laws and followers need to learn they can only speak for themselves.

Yes, the growth rate of Muslim followers is growing quickly. Actually so is the growth rate of Mormons within the US. But also growing is the number of people openly stating they don't believe in any god. If our species lasts long enough I predict that religion will eventually fall to the wayside like astrology. All religions have experienced rapid growth rates at some point in history. I'm not terribly concerned about the growth rate of the Muslim religion because this growth rate is spread throughout the western world. What I see is small pockets of religious fanatics with a larger number of followers not exactly following their religious laws to the letter much like the Christian faith.

In fact it disturbs me more to see young earth creationists rallying against the teaching of evolution to children than it does to see a few people in the street bitching about two men holding hands. The two men can think for themselves. Children can't.

 

[rockycatt]

These are not gated communities:

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we have a big one of those at the Texas Mexican boarder it is a eye sore it smacks of corruption on both sides of the isse
and the innocent people suffer while the grass root police / crooked border patrol on both sides are at fault

we need our troops in full battle gear here to route them out [with prejudes]

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[mathsboy1975]

No religious group should be dictating what people do or how they act. Religious beliefs are not laws and followers need to learn they can only speak for themselves.

Totally agree. Your statement sums it up in a nutshell in my opinion.