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Discussion in 'The Attic' started by RobWin, Feb 5, 2008.

    Feb 5, 2008
  1. RobWin

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    Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as ministers recognise polygamy

    By JAMES SLACK
    Last updated at 11:22am on 4th February 2008


    Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.

    A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive 10,000 a year in income support alone.

    He could also be entitled to more generous housing and council tax benefit, to reflect the fact his household needs a bigger property.

    Ministers have decided that, even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, polygamous marriages can be recognised formally by the state - provided they took place overseas, in countries where they are legal.

    The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife.

    Ministers estimate that up to a thousand polygamous partnerships exist in Britain, although they admit there is no exact record.

    Potentially, the benefits bill for income support could reach 10m.

    New guidelines on income support from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) state: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate (92.80).

    "The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently 33.65."

    Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose.

    Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said that the decision was "completely unjustifiable".

    He added: "You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.

    "This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system."

    Mr Grayling also accused the Government of trying to keep the ruling quiet because the topic is so controversial.

    Corin Taylor, research director for the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "British taxpayers are paying a record amount of tax so the Government has a duty to make sure that every penny is spent properly.

    "Polygamy is not something which British law allows and therefore British taxpayers should not have to pay for extra benefits for second or third wives.

    "If other countries sanction polygamy that is fine but the British taxpayer should not have to fund it."

    Ministers launched a review of the benefit rules for polygamous marriages in November 2006, after it emerged that some families had benefited financially.

    The review concluded in December last year with agreement that the extra benefits should continue to be paid. But the decision was not publicly announced.

    Four departments - the Treasury, the DWP, HM Revenue and Customs, and the Home Office - were involved in the review, which concluded that recognising multiple marriages conducted overseas was 'the best possible' option. In Britain, bigamy is punishable by up to seven years in prison.

    Islamic law permits men to have up to four wives at any one time - known as a harem - provided the husband spends equal amounts of time and money on each of them.

    The DWP believes the number of people in polygamous marriages entering Britain has fallen since the 1988 Immigration Act, which makes it harder to bring more than one wife to the UK.

    But, while a married man cannot obtain a spouse visa to bring a second wife into Britain, some multiple partners may be able to enter the country via other legal routes such as tourist visas, student visas or work permits.

    Officials have also identified a potential loophole by which a man can divorce his wife under British law while continuing to live with her as his spouse under Islamic law, and obtain a spouse visa for a foreign woman who he can legally marry.

    Immigration rules say entry clearance may not be withheld from a second wife where the husband has divorced his previous wife, and the divorce is thought to be one of convenience.

    This is so, even if the husband is still living with the previous wife and to issue the entry clearance would lead to the formation of a polygamous household.

    Muslim couples are only married in the eyes of the British state if they undergo a register office wedding as well as a Nikah, or religious ceremony.

    Muslim groups say it is quite common for men here to undergo more than one Nikah with different wives. This does not count as bigamy since only the first marriage is legally recognised.

    A DWP spokesman said: 'There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK and only a small percentage of these are claiming social security benefit.

    "We recently reviewed the rules regarding benefit payments to customers in a polygamous marriage, which conclude that the rules in place since 1987 provide the necessary safeguards to ensure there is no financial advantage for claimants in a valid polygamous marriage."

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  2. Feb 6, 2008
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

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    I'm glad to see that the USA isn't the only fcked up country out there.

    :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Feb 6, 2008
  5. suzecat

    suzecat Dormant account CAG MM webmeister

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    Maybe......hopefully....a year from now will be different.:thumbsup:
     
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  6. Feb 6, 2008
  7. RobWin

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    Yea Win, I was happy too, to see that we were not the only ones that have a bunch of dumbasses running the country...:D
     
  8. Feb 6, 2008
  9. jetset

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    I'm surprised this hasn't hit the floor of Parliament yet - it could make for some very lively debate and put the Brown administration under yet more pressure!
     
  10. Feb 6, 2008
  11. RobWin

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    Yea Jet, I've been trying to find something regarding that but have not been able to come up with anything yet...could be some lively fireworks though !!
     
  12. Feb 10, 2008
  13. happygobrokey

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    if he has four wives, why not put them on shift work? each day choose which one gets the day off, then send one each out for the morning, afternoon, and night shifts. at any given time he'll have at least two wives in the house, and still be earning income 24/7. why in the name of bart simpson would such a person need to be claiming benefit?

    :thumbsup:
     
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  14. Feb 10, 2008
  15. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    If the current furore over the suggestion by the Archbishop of Canterbury that elements of sharia law be accepted in Britain is any indication, the sort of exceptions outlined in this thread will really get the Brits going!

    And with some justification.
     
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