Twitch bans Stake, Roobet and others (finally!)

[LoopsterAU]

Even though i'm on a major break from depositing absolutely anywhere because of how shocking and rigged the losing scripts on RTP became for an extended period of time today is such a wonderful day that these parasites are one step from being gone.

 

[jasonuk]

Out of the frying pan into the fire - Twitch, being newer and a rival to YT clearly never worried too much about standards until now, whereas YT will pretty soon put a stop to any crapola of this type. Unlike Twatch, they never permitted gambling transactional links so if they think the grass is greener on YT, they'll be quickly disillusioned.

Agreed, I think Twitch allowed it to fester for way too long, to the point the crypto scams could use the headliner streamers as a "shield" essentially - contrast with YT which formally banned gambling affiliate links in 2018, and gambling adverts in 2021 (along with politics and alcohol if I recall correctly). Additionally YT doesn't have the same "reliance" on those content creators that Twitch had, so much easier for them to stamp out quickly if they so wish.

 

[Video_Poker_Pro]

Even though i'm on a major break from depositing absolutely anywhere because of how shocking and rigged the losing scripts on RTP became for an extended period of time today is such a wonderful day that these parasites are one step from being gone.

They will just move to dif platform.

 

[justdoit]

lol only 3 ppl streaming on twitch

 

[Kroffe]

lol only 3 ppl streaming on twitch
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If you click on the 'slots' tab you see there are tons of people streaming.
Maybe thats just the 3 channels with the most viewers right now or something.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Platforms I've seen streamers have moved to: Youtube, Dlive, Trovo. I'm sure there are others but these seem popular for now.

 

[jasonuk]

Update for the evening from a couple of hours ago...

Category	Ballpark (2130 GMT, past 7 days)	Current (2130 GMT)
/slots	50-75k viewers, 175-225 streams	14.0k viewers, 130 streams
/virtualcasino	30-40k viewers, 80-100 streams	7.6k viewers, 57 streams

Twitch have in the last few hours added a "prohibited gambling site" option to reports, so hopefully those will be actioned quickly in the coming days.

Some observations from the evening:

• A number of streams (maybe 1 in 10) are predictably trying to misunderstand the new rules for their own benefit - e.g. some streamers have started promoting a fiat-denominated Curacao casino (remember those? ) that I can't find reference to on CM, another is lying to their viewers claiming they can "continue to stream" because their particular crypto casino isn't on the list.
• A half-dozen streams are placeholders for one of the video streaming platforms named above which I won't repeat, which according to wikipedia is a cess pit for far-right and conspiracy theory streams. I doubt people will stick around with the other (Trovo Live) because chinese gaming company Tencent will clamp down on it fairly quickly.

 

[LoopsterAU]

Dlive seems to have nothing but degens streaming and watching on that site.

If you look at every other non slots category there's almost no one streaming or watching in comparison.

Something like this is perfect because there's only so long that they can keep the degens watching before even they get over it and there will be no fresh new people to attract from other categories due to so many people already viewing a slot streamer who is view botting to see what all the fuss is about etc.

 

[L&L-Jan]

Your favourite streamer offline? Try dlive.tv- soon they will be there

 

[Deeplay]

Your favourite streamer offline? Try dlive.tv- soon they will be there

source wikipedia

"DLive is an American video live streaming service which was founded in 2017. It was purchased by BitTorrent in 2019. Due to the site's lax enforcement of prohibited content guidelines, DLive has become a popular alternative to YouTube and Twitch among white nationalists, conspiracy theorists, neo-Nazis, and other extremists The site is also used by gamers as an alternative to Twitch.[5]"

 

[The Viking]

Your favourite streamer offline? Try dlive.tv- soon they will be there

Well well first time im in there and this is the opening page ?
Wont be signing up but curios ?

 

[slotmaster]

So as long as it's sites that are "regulated" people can still stream? That's what I got from it anyway, Is there anything new since?

 

[justdoit]

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[PMKFRUITPRO]

Believe that that and you’ll believe anything.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

360m? What was he paid in, Ugandan Shillings?

 

[justdoit]

360m? What was he paid in, Ugandan Shillings?

360m with his top to play every day could be 360 fke demo money

 

[jasonuk]

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Fully agree with @PMKFRUITPRO on this one... it stinks to high heaven. For a number to be legitimately that big, he'd need to be holding a decent stake of er... stake, or revshare against literally billions of dollars of losses.

More plausible, remembering that he has frequently stated what he has "won" or "lost" on equal footing with actual affiliate payments - that $360m could quite easily be affiliate payments + monopoly money credits for playing with. So that's the amount he has "received" (and grabs the attention of less reputable streamers willing to sell their soul), but the actual amount he has received would then be significantly lower (but still many millions) - and much less likely to be disclosed.

Similarly with the $70m+ "given away" - I can imagine most of that is bonus funds with wagering requirements or similar that has little to no cash value - with a few genuine amounts thrown in for clickbait ("A gives B $100k for C" type headlines you've seen from time to time) to attract new viewers. Easy soundbite to make when the money isn't coming out the other side - much like the soundbites from the WH "Strike Gold" (£10.5m btw) or VS "Weekend Booster" promotions.

So as long as it's sites that are "regulated" people can still stream? That's what I got from it anyway, Is there anything new since?

Pretty much, most of the "twitch banned gambling" crowd were streamers moaning that they were getting restricted and spreading misinformation for further clickbait and drama-farming. The casino/slots category expanded significantly when the monopoly money crowd jumped on board, and similarly the category has contracted significantly when they were booted off - just like it did when illegal and/or rigged CSGO skin gambling websites popped up a few years prior.

If things settle down, Twitch may not need to add any more rules for the time being - they will need to keep monitoring though to continue banning the viewbot channels and people trying to edge the rules - one example trying to conform with the rules by displaying the casino licence number on-stream, alas "JAZ" is the wrong answer.

I do expect Twitch will need to clamp down on inactive streams promoting a far-right streaming platform though - that's some PR they really don't want!

 

[irish-ranger]

Just another example of how fucking bent the gambling industry is 360mil my hole..

 

[Bunbu]

There is scam ongoing on twitch channel called drakelivestake, 48 hours almost, its same video just reruning....
And the scam part.... there is link to some site... and in short scam is so stupid and says: (but probarly many stupid ppl lost their BTC and ETH):
"SEND 0.1 min to 5 BTC max to this adress we instantly will send double of that."

I reported channel yes, but it is still on

 

[jasonuk]

I reported channel yes, but it is still on

Looks like it's banned now. Twitch do seem fairly responsive to reports currently, but only bot channels seem to trigger the actioned email because they tend to get banned in a matter of minutes (others can be hours, partners tend to get more - sometimes too much - leniency). Hopefully that responsiveness continues!

 

[slotmaster]

Was looking around quickly last night and trying to catch up on the tech side of it as not been on there for years, where does the time go! A few streams going but with way less traffic, kinda back when first started many years ago. I am leaning toward just doing videos with the odd hangout stream. Mostly cause of time issues, trying to find where I will have hours to play a day which has been impossible. Even next week when I am off, going to be a jammed pack week but going to fit some playing in there.

 

[jasonuk]

It has been a few weeks, and while things have calmed down significantly on Twitch, the battle is far from over:

• The viewership of /slots (80%) has recovered a little but is still significantly down on pre-ban numbers mainly due to the viewbots pushing the fake x stake x drake streams but things are a lot more sensible than they were two months ago. Given how many times that channel has been banned and set up from a new account and/or location, whoever is behind it (whether the casino itself, an affiliate, or someone else) is clearly making a concerted effort to keep that stream visible.
• The viewership of /virtualcasino (20%) has increased slightly above pre-ban numbers, mainly due to a mixture of fake viewbot channels and a proliferation of Russian streaming partnerships. This was always going to be a question mark for the new rules, because in a grey market it may not be illegal to play or offer such services and thus the only rule left is the "consumer protection" strand, which is one for Twitch to adjudicate on.

So the big question was what happened to the previous wave of streamers, many of which are now restricted from streaming slots on Twitch:

• a bunch of them are still active on the previously named far-right streaming platform, but viewership (12k at the time of writing) is a fraction of what it was on Twitch
• a recent development (yesterday) is that one of the headline names of the previous wave of monopoly money streamers is now setting up his own streaming platform, paying insane creator splits (95% share) and other too-good-to-be-true perks... I can't imagine why, oh wait, it's bankrolled by the casino...

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Trainwreck’s new platform is owned by— wait for it…. STAKE. That’s why Kick is paying insane creator splits, they’re owned by an offshore casino lmao. And it’s the reason train is moving, to continue the Stake cash cow. I wonder why Train didn’t tell people that ?

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Id like to see a lot of the streamers charged and thrown in prison. I was a streamer on twitch and I had to be very careful and work hard to get some deals so I didnt lose my ass. I have lost $900+$600 in bonus in 6 hours before on 50 cent bets...in about 6-8 hours.

And these scumbags doing $2-$100 spins all day long? Put perfume and lipstick on them all and throw them in prison.

I know exactly what all these dirt bags are doing. I have had hundreds of offers from crypto, licensed and non licensed. They fund my account with casino money and cap cashouts at like $300 per stream. I literally have hundreds of emails of these offers.

"We will load your account with $1000. You play and at end of the stream after you wager 5x, if there is any profit, you get a maximum of $300 per stream".

This is what all these dirt bags are doing. All of them.

All streamers should be forced to show every deposit and withdraw and announce the deal they have. Because the amount of people who have lost everything because they thought its normal to do $2-$100 spins is outrageous.

Because I only played with real money, sometimes people would hound me for doing $1 spins and demand I raise my bets.

I hope these streamers christmas trees burn down and the only visit they get from a big old dude, is in the middle of the night in prison

 

[jasonuk]

"We will load your account with $1000. You play and at end of the stream after you wager 5x, if there is any profit, you get a maximum of $300 per stream".

This is what all these dirt bags are doing. All of them.

Thanks for being so candid about the type of offers you received.

Suspending reality for a minute, if streamers mentioned that was the deal, that they're showing off some slots for a sponsor, and they get to keep X amount or X% of the winnings... at least they would have a shred of honesty - but very quickly people would realise that it was monopoly money when they're doing $10-100 a spin with a $300 capped cashout. I can't imagine people would watch a stream with "demo mode" in big letters.

By omitting that information, or worse talking nonsense like "streamer money" as a deflection, people naively think that it's real. Plenty of people still (!) think the big names were playing with real money, despite losing their net worth multiple times over (at EV) already.

I know there's been a lot more legal focus on the crypto side of the equation of late, hopefully they'll start looking into this too - many countries cover false representation or making false statements as an act of fraud... so these monopoly money streams aren't out of the woods yet.

 

[alcatraz]

Either way the agenda of those streamers (dragging fresh meat into slot gambling) is already damaged by the fact that the "fake" narrative is spreading around the scene.

The best times for streamers are long gone. It's only a matter of time before regulators introduce new rules or ban this nonsense.

 

[OliverCooper]

Youtube censors. So they can try, but there won't be any point, because they'll just be shut down within days.

Separately, I'm not really sure what the big deal is about this. How much business does Twitch steer toward these casinos? While I imagine it's a significant percentage (more than 5%, but less than 20%), I'd have never heard of Rollbit or Duelbits if I hadn't read this press announcement. The Barbra Streisand effect.

And so Twitch will also censor. Rumble doesn't, I don't believe. Not sure about Vimeo or other streaming sites. TikTok or Telegraph...?

I can hardly imagine how Rumble would have passed the censors if he had to ? Good that's unlikely to happen.

 

[OliverCooper]

I think the day will come when someone sets up something called GamblersHub, a totally separate platform from general things, where all streamers will have to pay a fee to stream on this site, and access will be restricted to those aged less than 18.

Considering how streaming is developing and becoming popular even among children. Rather, there will be a separate platform that will be available even 10+ ?

 

[jasonuk]

A shame I have to bump this thread, but it appears the monopoly money streamers are playing their next move - and they're coming back to Twitch.

Of surprise to nobody, they've not turned over a new leaf, nor are they intending to conform to the new regulations - it seems things are going so well on their new streaming platform that instead they're willing to risk the ban by promoting a site with minimal google footprint and falsely claim it's "licensed and player protected" - while aggressively pushing players to their discord for further exploitation.

The new casino of choice is DepositWin, which I doubt many will be aware of given google offers just two search results (the website itself, and some random affiliate portal willing to shill it). However, many will have heard of the Versus Odds B.V. shower of shite, including brands such as Wolfy, Horus, Gudar and Luckystar, as well as Vegaz Casino that the twat was shilling two years ago (see this post from January 2021, and this post from March 2021 where @dunover highlights Mirage Entertainment Corporation Limited / Mirage Entertainment NV as the group).

To be clear, this site is not "licensed and player protected" - it's yet another questionable curacao crypto casino, part of a group with a history of ignoring player concerns and confiscating player funds (as discussed briefly in a handful of CM threads in 2021, and highlighted by other community advocates like ThePogg).

So crunch time for Twitch, he's unambiguously in breach of the new policy regarding slots - will they act quickly and ban him, or will they ignore the problem and essentially greenlight the return of the scammers... tick tock!

 

[cheetahwind]

A shame I have to bump this thread, but it appears the monopoly money streamers are playing their next move - and they're coming back to Twitch.

Of surprise to nobody, they've not turned over a new leaf, nor are they intending to conform to the new regulations - it seems things are going so well on their new streaming platform that instead they're willing to risk the ban by promoting a site with minimal google footprint and falsely claim it's "licensed and player protected" - while aggressively pushing players to their discord for further exploitation.

The new casino of choice is DepositWin, which I doubt many will be aware of given google offers just two search results (the website itself, and some random affiliate portal willing to shill it). However, many will have heard of the Versus Odds B.V. shower of shite, including brands such as Wolfy, Horus, Gudar and Luckystar, as well as Vegaz Casino that the twat was shilling two years ago (see this post from January 2021, and this post from March 2021 where @dunover highlights Mirage Entertainment Corporation Limited / Mirage Entertainment NV as the group).

To be clear, this site is not "licensed and player protected" - it's yet another questionable curacao crypto casino, part of a group with a history of ignoring player concerns and confiscating player funds (as discussed briefly in a handful of CM threads in 2021, and highlighted by other community advocates like ThePogg).

So crunch time for Twitch, he's unambiguously in breach of the new policy regarding slots - will they act quickly and ban him, or will they ignore the problem and essentially greenlight the return of the scammers... tick tock!

I'm going with the idea that they've turned a blind eye. Ever since this came to light I've filed several reports and it's become apparent Roshtein is too much in bed with Twitch to have them give a flying rats. That or they don't seem to care about having the content on there and realized they've lost too much revenue from the gambling streams.

 

[jasonuk]

I'm going with the idea that they've turned a blind eye. Ever since this came to light I've filed several reports and it's become apparent Roshtein is too much in bed with Twitch to have them give a flying rats. That or they don't seem to care about having the content on there and realized they've lost too much revenue from the gambling streams.

Once the initial wave of negative publicity died down, there was always going to be a risk that Twitch started being hands-off again - and sadly I have to agree.

I don't think there's a relationship as such, but Twitch have always tried to minimise their responsibility and response to issues, such as their sluggish response to hate raids in the last year or two.

Unfortunately, this inactivity gives the green light to the usual suspects shilling their cowboy crypto casinos again - and a quick look earlier today saw the /virtualcasino category around 70k "viewers" (and 100k combined with /slots) which is already two-thirds of the pre-ban viewership...

While I don't expect the big names to wait 18 months before the next wave of outrage, it does feel like it'll be either that or some legal action trigger (such as Slovakia temporarily banning Twitch over a poker streamer in 2021) that forces Twitch to act again. The question inevitably will be how much damage is caused in the interim...

 

[cheetahwind]

Well I mean what did Stake and Roobet expect? That dLive and Kick were going to give them the same viewership they had before. There wasn't any "new blood" flowing into there casinos that once was with the partnerships on twitch. The only ones who swapped to dLive and Kick were the ones who were still hoping win one of those sweet giveaways and get some of that free cash from the streamers. It wasn't going to be new blood like Stake and others want.
So it's not shocking that Roshtein and of the like of course are looking for new blood to bring into there revenue streams it's just without the listed casinos. I'll give it shorter than your time frame before the next out cry happens. Just that category has to get to the level it was did to get back on the radar.

 

[deleted20230517]

*snip*

In the raffles and give aways there where cracks seen as well. The give aways are "giveaways" on the casino platform, with a wagering requirement. Thats just hoarding in new suckers with more then enough of a house advange. They all seem to boost their social media stuff by doing things like "Like, Retweet and Comment" to get maximum exposure for their shit. Complete social media platforms are spammed to the core to promote their gambling venture. And as long as people are watching (and thinking it's any real) they wont go away.

At the end of the day it's all about money. You got streamer A who plays with his own funds and who's not so on often. You got streamer B being sponsored by the casino and thus having zero financial liability and is able to pump 8 to 12 hours a day of a stream. Ayezee got caught too with "Raw cash" while being send the money from a hot wallet from the casino itself. Can it get any dumber then this?