Roguish Tradition Casino and likely all Rival casinos are Rogue. All Evidence shown here.

[Pinababy69]

Yes, that was the OP's issue but this thread is by no means limited solely to that issue unless of course you do not mind having software that double downs on a pair of 9's or 18, a pair of 8's or 16, and so on when you clicked the split button. And of course, a Dealer's hard 9 always beats the Player's hard 17, yes???

Agreed Nash, but IMO, the thread should at least be kept focused on Rival. You agree with that?

Not a BJ player, but isn't the object of BJ to get 9?

Why didn't you ever actually post about this before? Wish you could get your attachments option working correctly, so you could post some more screenies.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Agreed Nash, but IMO, the thread should at least be kept focused on Rival. You agree with that?

Absolutely! That said, I am use to (Rival) threads being hijacked and derailed by those that have conflicts of interest but finally they are not worried about "balance". I really do not have a problem with any of the recent subject posts but I agree the thread should stay focused on Rival.

Not a BJ player, but isn't the object of BJ to get 9?

According to Rival

Why didn't you ever actually post about this before? Wish you could get your attachments option working correctly, so you could post some more screenies

Going to experiment with what KK suggested in Paint so keep your fingers crossed please

Cheers!

 

[chuchu59]

It is quite worrisome to note that Tradition has not responded to this thread to clarify things despite the mounting evidence of (cheating) against it. Three other reps have responded although it has done little to diffuse the sentiment here.

@BB28 - Has Dogboy left this forum? He has always been helpful in explaining the technical aspects of the RTG slots. However, as he is not part of RTG management the best he can do is explain and correct the technical glitches. He is unable to compel RTG to pay back what the errors have cost players.

 

[bb28]

It is quite worrisome to note that Tradition has not responded to this thread to clarify things despite the mounting evidence of (cheating) against it. Three other reps have responded although it has done little to diffuse the sentiment here.

@BB28 - Has Dogboy left this forum? He has always been helpful in explaining the technical aspects of the RTG slots. However, as he is not part of RTG management the best he can do is explain and correct the technical glitches. He is unable to compel RTG to pay back what the errors have cost players.

In answer to your question about Dogboy, here is the post where he said he'd finally had enough. https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rival-it-only-gets-better.14943/ It's a shame that he was run off as he was invaluable in answering technical questions in regards to RTG.

RE: Tradition.......sometimes silence says more than they might want it to say.

Sorry about the thread jack.......and I promise I won't do it again.

 

[all4greed]

I HEAR YA!.............Dealer Wins

SIDENOTE:Help, why am I having to resize screenshots (the width) as per the manage attachments instructions?

Screenshot below-A glitch or pre-determined outcome???? Tread carefully, real carefully!!

Can you post a screenshot of what this hand shows in the play history? Would be interesting if it shows something different.

 

[kwblue]

After spending a lot of time catching up on this thread, I have come to the realization that several things must happen:

RIVAL must be the one to answer the following questions in order for their players to understand what is happening (and for many affiliates to continue promotion):

1. Explain what an operator can change in the software to make their paytables/payouts differ.

2. Explain what will be done to ensure that a paytable/payout cannot be changed in such a manner that it changes the odds of the game.

3. Explain WHEN Tradition made this change and WHY Rival's system did not interpret this as 'cheating'.


These are the main questions in my mind right now. Operators answering these questions are just not good enough, IMO, because they may or may not know all the settings available in the Rival Gaming system.

Anyone want to add to the list of questions?

Side Note: I am the owner of AGD and we have certainly helped to bring many issues to the forefront for discussion, concerning Rival Casinos (both Sister Casinos and White Label Casinos). This issue WILL be covered heavily (even more so than it already has). This is an important topic that needs to be revealed from an affiliate perspective as well as from a player perspective

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Can you post a screenshot of what this hand shows in the play history? Would be interesting if it shows something different.

More interested in posting screenshots and/or digital pictures of the split button malfunction et al.

Why would I have taken a screenshot of the hand history?

Maybe I tried but the Rival software only allows you to access your hand histories for about 8 or 9 minutes before one is logged out and returned to the casino lobby . After a couple hours of play, one's initial play history is not accessible despite Rival's contrary claim that the player has total access.

Maybe there was no hand history,wrong lol.

Maybe I do have the hand history but until the forum "manage attachments" function works as in the past or I experiment with MS Paint so I do not have to post cropped screenshots, just consider it not/never available.

BTW, is it a Rival BJ glitch or is Rival BJ pre-determined or neither???? Maybe a Rival's rep. can do what they do best. Patience please!!

 

[Roanan]

Just in case any of you missed this:


tradition
I-Gaming Industry Representative
Last Activity: Today 12:28 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:17 AM.

 

[rubyroyal]

Ok I have made some calls today and do NOT ask me to disclose where I got this info because I will not.

I have been told that yes each white label can set their own blackjack payouts. Tradition seems to be set at 1:1 payout instead of the regular 3:2. (They are likely the only Rival brand that picked this option) Furthermore after my calls the owners of Rival software were contacted and shown this thread and as a result it was determined that Tradition may have set the payout to 1.1 which was in their rights to do so BUT it was also determined that the felts did not match up so Rival went in and disabled the 1.1, changed it to the 3:2 at Tradition and set BJ to 3:2 at all rival brands

Also since this issue brought to light the point that rules should not ever conflict with the game felts ...now ALL operators must contact Rival to make changes to rules and Rival will first verify whether any graphical changes are necessary before they allow a change.

I personally think this title is a bit off "All Rivals Rogue", not all of the casinos are rogue but let me say Tradition will NEVER be on my sites they have proven to me over and over they do some pretty shady things!!

Hi all, just want to jump in here and say I can confirm, our BJ payout is set and has always been set to 3:2...

 

[Pinababy69]

Tradition may have set the payout to 1.1 which was in their rights to do so BUT it was also determined that the felts did not match up so Rival went in and disabled the 1.1, changed it to the 3:2 at Tradition and set BJ to 3:2 at all rival brands

After spending a lot of time catching up on this thread, I have come to the realization that several things must happen:

RIVAL must be the one to answer the following questions in order for their players to understand what is happening (and for many affiliates to continue promotion):

1. Explain what an operator can change in the software to make their paytables/payouts differ.

2. Explain what will be done to ensure that a paytable/payout cannot be changed in such a manner that it changes the odds of the game.

3. Explain WHEN Tradition made this change and WHY Rival's system did not interpret this as 'cheating'.


These are the main questions in my mind right now. Operators answering these questions are just not good enough, IMO, because they may or may not know all the settings available in the Rival Gaming system.

Anyone want to add to the list of questions?

Side Note: I am the owner of AGD and we have certainly helped to bring many issues to the forefront for discussion, concerning Rival Casinos (both Sister Casinos and White Label Casinos). This issue WILL be covered heavily (even more so than it already has). This is an important topic that needs to be revealed from an affiliate perspective as well as from a player perspective

Great post KW, and thank you for promising to give this the attention it deserves. I have no doubt that you and Bonustreak have had your hands full...just with the current Rival issues alone. Now this.

I completely agree that it's past time for someone from Rival directly, to address this issue, the BJ issues that Nash has posted about, and other game related/software issues that have or may come to light. I've lost count of the number of Rival casinos, somewhere around 30. I don't believe there are even reps on this or any forum for ALL of them. And even if there were, having 30 different people/reps post, is ridiculous. This is serious, and Rival needs to step up. I don't know if RobRival is still around, but if so...he would seem a logical choice, given the fact he was the technical "go to" guy.

You asked if anyone would like to add to your list of questions, and I definitely would.

I have highlighted part of Bonustreak's post above, that I didn't really catch until I read through the thread again. It states that Rival set BJ at ALL Rival brands to 3:2. I have to wonder if this implies that there were more casinos beyond Tradition, who were using the 1:1 setting? Or was Tradition the only one?

Also, thanks to Nicholas's non-answer of the burning question regarding slots and RTP...it's not a huge leap to "assume" that each operator not only has control over table game settings as in this case...but can also adjust the RTP on each slot, at whim.

And the final issue I personally would like to see addressed, is how will Rival compensate all affected players? Should there not be some kind of official audit done...to determine who was affected? And compensate them appropriately? As in the Topgame issue and their software, Topgame "said" that they provided adequate compensation to all players who played the gaffed games during the stated time period....but to this day I still think the only people compensated were the ones lucky enough to belong to a forum, and who were made aware of the issue, via that route. And then we found out that whatever compensation they did fork over, was paid out from the progressive jackpots on discontinued games. I sure would hope this will be handled in a much more professional and transparent manner. One suggestion would be a mass email to the entire player database, explaining the situation, and asking anyone who played BJ during the stipulated time period to contact someone designated to deal with this issue, and this issue alone. That's just a thought.

So feel free to include the above, or not, lol. In synopsis:

1. Were any of the other Rival casinos offering Blackjack with a payout ratio of 1:1?

2. Can individual Rival operators (white label or otherwise) also adjust the RTP on their slot games? If so, is this done entirely at their own discretion?

3. Compensation. Will an audit be conducted? If so, who will carry that out? Finally, will they inform their players of what has happened, and provide compensation to each and every one affected?

 

[maphesto]

Hi all, just want to jump in here and say I can confirm, our BJ payout is set and has always been set to 3:2...

Thank you for that!

Your answer gives us the opportunity to ask if you can change the payout to 1:1 if you want?

If you can change it, how many other "tweeks" can you do?

 

[all4greed]

More interested in posting screenshots and/or digital pictures of the split button malfunction et al.

Why would I have taken a screenshot of the hand history?

Are you kidding? Why wouldn't you compare it to see what it shows? That is an immediate verification and should match what the screen just showed. It's not like RTG where you would have to request it.

Maybe I tried but the Rival software only allows you to access your hand histories for about 8 or 9 minutes before one is logged out and returned to the casino lobby . After a couple hours of play, one's initial play history is not accessible despite Rival's contrary claim that the player has total access.

That is completely wrong. For example, I just now pulled up Ruby Royal play from 3/18, it's all still there.

Maybe I do have the hand history but until the forum "manage attachments" function works as in the past or I experiment with MS Paint so I do not have to post cropped screenshots, just consider it not/never available.

You could email it to someone here to post for you. Hell, I would do it for you, no big deal.

If something like that ever happened to me, I would want as much evidence as possible.

 

[4 of a kind]

No doubt the obvious evidence brought forward by JHV showing Tradition having the power to cheat the players while playing BJ are of serious concern for all that played their and for all that would consider playing their. This evidence alone is cut and dry and confirms its taking place. The evidence is similar to a defendant denying he robbed the local 7-11 store with a shot-gun, while the whole incident was caught on video tape showing it was in fact him along with recording his voice.

Of course this will make players (that are even aware of this evidence) wonder what else this casino can pull off, along with assuming that all users of this type software can do the same if they desired.

So, here we go again with another scandal, and where exactly do we think we’re going with it?

Considering no one can get any regulations on gaming software from these third world countries that would out-line the actual rules that apply, combined with no third world country regulatory agency willing to enforce any law, (if in fact their even is any law) what is it everyone expects to happen?

If they (tradition) even in fact come forward and join this thread explaining some lame reason what took place, I guess we would have to be satisfied with what ever they say. It’s obvious they are aware of this evidence and are certainly putting together an explanation. Oh, how I would love to be a fly on the wall listening to the casino and the software provider’s conversation putting together an explanation for the players. It’s obvious they have no fear of any hammer coming down from their regulatory commission, or they wouldn’t have done this in the first place.

So, we eventually will get some type of explanation and be assured how this will never happen again. And eventually this will all go away just like the Top-Game scandal. The threads and posts will fade away in the same manner and its business as usual.

The worst that could happen is they get the famous rogue heading here, and only the fortunate small percentage of players that even know about casinomiester are actually saved. We all know how well being classified as rogue put an end to Virtual and all the others still operating under that heading.

I’m all for trying to help clean up this crooked online casino shit, but this is even harder then the FBI trying to put an end to organized crime.

Even with the law behind them they can’t stop organized crime.

So what is it that everyone expects to happen here, even with the video tape evidence??

 

[dcpam39]

Also, thanks to Nicholas's non-answer of the burning question regarding slots and RTP...it's not a huge leap to "assume" that each operator not only has control over table game settings as in this case...but can also adjust the RTP on each slot, at whim.


2. Can individual Rival operators (white label or otherwise) also adjust the RTP on their slot games? If so, is this done entirely at their own discretion?

I have been playing at Rival Casinos since 2006, and now that this information is being revealed regarding blackjack, i am deducing that the answer to your question 2 is yes.

Sloto has always provided less RTM(return to me) than the other Rivals, but i stuck with them because they continued to provide reasonable bonuses, and they pay within 24 hours. It was, and is hard for me to believe that the percentages listed for each game is accurate for Sloto, based on my playing experience. Also, many other posters have commented on Sloto and how "tight" they seem.

Tradition had much "looser" slots when they launched, evidenced by my own playing experience, and the many winning screenshots. Now you don't see many screenshots at all from Tradition, and i deposited 3 times recently, with very few, if any feature on my normal games. Yes, i know that my sample is very small, but the RTM has changed. I liked Tradition, because I liked how the owner handled questions; she has a very direct style. It is telling, as was implied earlier, that Ms. Tradition has not posted. I don't believe that she will post a lie---

I have noticed that since the MC situation, i have experienced less winning features at Rival and RTG--coincidence, maybe, but I believe that the casinos have changed their RTP to compensate for some of their losses.

Sometimes, I think that we as players, although normally have a very suspicious nature, are very naive and trusting at other times--especially when we have reps who are pleasant, responsive and supportive. We sometimes stick with a casino based on loyalty to the rep or maybe even an affiliate, vs. our own experiences with the casino.

This thread is a reminder for me, to keep track of the RTM percentage, and play accordingly.
Pam

 

[chuchu59]

Hi all, just want to jump in here and say I can confirm, our BJ payout is set and has always been set to 3:2...

You shouldnt really have said that as it is implying that you could have set it at 1:1 and that is enough to put me off from depositing at any Rival and that also applies to Box 24 and Slotocash. Seriously, I believe that we should all refrain from depositing at any Rival casinos unless the software provider can give us some assurances/remedies.

Rogue software, non?

 

[Pinababy69]

Earilier in the thread I posted that I was sure I had read that all Rival casinos carried the same RTP across all brands, and that individual operators couldn't configure the games themselves (beyond bet size). This isn't the post I had in mind, but it will do. Talk about a whopper of a lie. How many more can we find I wonder?

Maybe Rival really should think about making a statement, a truthful one for a change.

Rival operators can absolutely NOT configure the payouts of any of its games. All the operator can change are the bet limits per a game.

 

[Zoozie]

Thankyou Nicolas for answering the question without answering the question

Q: Can individual Rival operators alter their slot RTP at will?

A: I'm going to be blunt; I can't answer the question that is on everyone's mind. It would be in breach of my contract.

There is not a shadow of a doubt that every Rival casinos can change the RTP for individual slots. It can still be seen very easy. Log in some different Rival casino and load some different slots. Then click the "HELP" option on the slot. In the end of the help file you will see the RTP. It is now listed at 94, 95 or 96.
Since the same slot had different payout at different casino this can only happen if:
1) The casino can configure RTP for each slot. (regulary change)
2) The casino pick a RTP configuration for each slot when they setup their casino operation (one time change).
However this was the situation 1 year ago, it might have changed since!


Rival used to show this RTP on the help page with % ie. as "95.23%", also it was once listed with 1 or 2 digits also. At that time I saw that the same slot etc. was configured between 93% and 96% and the steps was in increments of approx. 1%. This is quite normal, it is actually totally identical to IGT/WagerWork slots.
Ie. for a specific slot like "Scary Rich" you could would see one of the following RTP. (I am just making up the decimals now, can not remember them)

93.5%
94.6%
95.3%
96.2%


The rival casino operators simply picked some pre-defined RTP configurations for each slot. The software would then automatic present the RTP% for that slot in the HELP page. Very fair and honest and I truely believe it indeed was the truth.

Shortly after "Scary Rich" was released something very interesting happened, and I guess it is due to Rival Casinos was not aware players could see
the RTP configuration. Of course they do not want that since players will then notice another casino has a higher RTP setting.

Suddenly the RTP in each help file was changed from the format:
"94.6%" into "about 94".
Notice there is no % after the 94 and this is still the case. Also while there before were 93.x% (and even 92.x%) slots, they were now ALL listed
as one of the three:
"around 94"
"around 95"
"around 96"

Did this simple RTP presentation change in the help file magically happen with
all rival operators setting their former 92% and 93% slots - to now 94%? Coincidence...

Lets say the RTP presentation is bogus and now some casino are setting some of their slots to the lowest
RTP configuration... The RTP will now be shown as "around 94" as players will think they are getting a fair game.

All Rival slot games except two was now showing "around 94" or "around 95" however there was two particular slots that stood out. "5 reel circus" and "scary rich". They were showing "around 80" etc. Ie. some much lower numbers. This was only visible for a very short time and then fixed for these few slots.

I believe the RTP display "fix" was somehow forgotten/not working for these slots. Instead they were indeed showing a very revealing RTP. It happens same time with forum getting flooded with posts about Rival slots had become tight etc. These posts happen all the time and rarely true, but the timing this was perfect.

Shortly after a new slot is introduced, this is "ISlot Psychedeilic Sixties" and the RTP display bug(or indeed the truth?) is back. Here is a link to a post
also showing a screenshot of "around 65".

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotocash-slot-configured-to-65-payout.32540/


It was if course just explained as a "display bug". However this greatly reduce my confidentiality of the RTP stated on the help page. It should
reflect the current setting of the game. For video slots there are only a limited number of configurations to choose from(pr. design of video-slots). My faith in the "RTP" publiced on Rival games are now non-exsisting. Too much wierdness going on and why change the perfect implementation rival slots had at the start. Showing "95.23%" etc.
What does "around 95" mean? Is 65% RTP close enough to be "around 95"???

The casino has two fair options for posting RTP for individual games:
1) Not showing them at all
2) Showing them with correct value

I believe Rival is doing a:
3) Show RTP with fake values.

Sorry for the long post, but the story was tricky I could not tell it shorter.

 

[Sloto]

Hello All,

I would just like to clarify that as an operator running on Rival software Sloto'Cash does not have the ability to change RTP. Regarding Blackjack the default setting is 3:2 as shown on the table felts. We do not have the ability to change this via the backend software.

Regards

Ms Sloto

 

[RobWin]

Hello All,

I would just like to clarify that as an operator running on Rival software Sloto'Cash does not have the ability to change RTP.

On any and all games?

Regarding Blackjack the default setting is 3:2 as shown on the table felts. We do not have the ability to change this via the backend software.

Regards

Ms Sloto

So how was Tradition able to do it?

Did they have to get in touch with Rival to make the change for them?
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[bonustreak]

Just a note we are pulling all links for Tradition off every site, we are making a post on our forum to warn players off this casino. From the first day of me reading their terms and calling them out on the no negative carry over sneaky changes I have felt this place was trouble! We are advising any players that spent money on BJ in this casino to contact me asap so I can fight for them to be returned any and all funds they were cheated on.

 

[KasinoKing]

Hello All,

I would just like to clarify that as an operator running on Rival software Sloto'Cash does not have the ability to change RTP.
Regarding Blackjack the default setting is 3:2 as shown on the table felts.
We do not have the ability to change this via the backend software.

Regards
Ms Sloto

Thank you for stating the current situation.

But what about in the past - were you EVER able to change any settings?

Also "We do not have the ability to change this via the backend software."; Fine, YOU can't change it - but can you ask RIVAL to change any settings on any games for you?

Sorry to grill you - but I hope you understand why it is VITAL to have totally unambiguous answers relating to this extremely serious issue.

KK

 

[Sloto]

Hi

Yes that is correct we can not change any games. The only configuration we have access to is bet size which you can set for each game type.

To change the blackjack limits you could request this from Rival, but the felts and help file would be updated to reflect the change.

Sloto'Cash have kept the same settings since launching back in 2007, but it is my understanding that the option to change blackjack configuration was available before and it is the operators responsibility to arrange the felts are updated to reflect any change.

Regards

Ms Sloto

 

[Mavin1]

I don't have the first bit of understanding how the poker games work, but I do understand outright cheating or deceptiion and the OP's evidence is in your face. It is my opinion that given the canned responses from the few Reps that have chimmed in with no real explaination of anything other than to try to put out a forest fire with a bucket of water, that this issue just as Top Games will be swept under the rug.
With Top Game, the fiasco was obviously coming down from the top as evidenced by many of the casinos having the same missing symbols, games, progressives. Therefore leaving the players with no real answer as the people sitting at the top weren't talking and the reps only conveying what to tell the public. So either you are all part of the deception or you don't really know what is going on in your own backyards.

Players are not stupid and things like this will forever leave a mark in everyones minds that will always be there no matter how far under the rug incidents like these gets swept.

Not all are so easily pacified by a rep appearance and getting the exact same answers that is always said, i.e. "We have the same settings now as in the beginning, nothing can be changed by a casino, only by the top provider, this incident only occured for a couple days", just doesn't cut it. Canned response!
Again, where is the "TRANSPARENCY"!!???

 

[bb28]

I for one appreciate Ms Sloto's reply and it was the most comprehensive yet, but we still have questions and it's obvious that the remaining questions can only be answered by a rep from Rival.

I'm wondering if CM could be of any assistance in getting a Rival rep to reply....can you Bryan?

The longer they (Rival) lets this simmer and fester in everyone's minds the more damage will be done. Frankly I don't see how they are ever going to recover.

Bonusstreak put the questions out there that Rival desperately needs to address and this isn't going to go away.

 

[The Dude]

Hi all,

Thanks for your patience - sometimes it takes me a couple of days to catch up with these sort of issues, especially when they occur on a Saturday and I'm tasked to clean out the garage.

As for SamD - I'm lifting his ban for this section only. He was banned from the forum several times mainly for flaming other members - it was never an issue of "silencing" someone with a gripe. SamD will have access to this section and allowed to participate until this situation is fully covered/explained/resolved whatever.

@Nashvegas - sorry bud, but I've told you before, some of your PMs and postings are just too cryptic for me to follow (especially what seems to be the important ones) - that's probably why you think I was aware of your problem two years ago. A considerable mount of time passed before I took on any Rival powered casinos. Slotocash was the first - Slotpower was the second - I gave them a chance like any others - no preferential treatment (as you imply). They all were baptized by fire like anyone else. And they passed - no problems.

As for this issue - Tradition's support = trip to the rogue pit.

And Rival has a lot of explaining to do, I have no option but to remove Rival powered casinos until this software provider explains exactly what their policies are on odds manipulation by their operators. I want to hear it from them.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Hi all,

Thanks for your patience - sometimes it takes me a couple of days to catch up with these sort of issues, especially when they occur on a Saturday and I'm tasked to clean out the garage.

As for SamD - I'm lifting his ban for this section only. He was banned from the forum several times mainly for flaming other members - it was never an issue of "silencing" someone with a gripe. SamD will have access to this section and allowed to participate until this situation is fully covered/explained/resolved whatever.

@Nashvegas - sorry bud, but I've told you before, some of your PMs and postings are just too cryptic for me to follow (especially what seems to be the important ones) - that's probably why you think I was aware of your problem two years ago. A considerable mount of time passed before I took on any Rival powered casinos. Slotocash was the first - Slotpower was the second - I gave them a chance like any others - no preferential treatment (as you imply). They all were baptized by fire like anyone else. And they passed - no problems.
As for this issue - Tradition's support = trip to the rogue pit.

And Rival has a lot of explaining to do, I have no option but to remove Rival powered casinos until this software provider explains exactly what their policies are on odds manipulation by their operators. I want to hear it from them.

OK!!

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Hello All,

I would just like to clarify that as an operator running on Rival software Sloto'Cash does not have the ability to change RTP. Regarding Blackjack the default setting is 3:2 as shown on the table felts. We do not have the ability to change this via the backend software.

Regards

Ms Sloto

It should not be the default setting, it should be the only setting

"JUST SAY NO TO ANY AND ALL OF THESE RIPOFF GAMES, AND WARN OTHERS!" Stanford Wong

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Blackjack Games to Avoid Single Deck - or any other game - that pays 6 to 5 on blackjacks

"Most visitors to casinos play blackjack or other games for entertainment, and do not thoroughly study the games. While there is always a chance of winning in the short run, it has been said that the built-in casino advantage is the "price of the entertainment" for the recreational player. But with the 6/5 short payoffs on blackjacks, the price is too high.

Let's assume you go to a movie once a month, and pay $8.00 for a ticket. Suddenly, the theatre increases its ticket price to $64.00. Would you still go to that theatre, when other similar theatres would charge you only $8.00? Or would you take your business to one of the $8.00 theatres? By playing single deck blackjack that pays only 6 to 5 on blackjacks, you are doing the same thing as patronizing the $64.00 theatre.

The casinos are taking advantage of the myth among casual blackjack players that "single deck games always offer better odds for the players" . This is simply NOT true with the 6 to 5 game. Normal blackjacks pay 7 ½ to 5, or more commonly referred to as 3 to 2. The house advantage on a normal single deck game is 0.18%. The 6 to 5 game has a house advantage of 1.45%, more than eight times the advantage the casino has on a normal single deck game

This isn't merely a matter of shuffling incomprehensible numbers around. Stanford Wong, author of Professional Blackjack, explains: "The math is easy. If the player gets paid 3/2 on a blackjack on a $10 bet, the player gets paid $15. If the player gets paid 6/5 on a $10 bet, he gets paid only $12 for a blackjack. That is a difference of $3, which might not seem like much. During a normal-speed blackjack game, the player averages five blackjacks per hour, meaning the player is shorted 1.5 bets per hour. In the case of a $10 bettor, he is being shorted $15 per hour!" (Las Vegas Weekly, 10/23/03)

UNLV professor Bill Thompson, who studies gaming issues, said, "This is incredibly stupid. Everybody knows blackjacks pay 3-2. Unless they're giving out free bottles of whiskey to everyone who sits down at the table, I don't know why anybody would play this game." (Las Vegas Sun, 11/13/03)

The house edge in a normal six-deck shoe is about 0.63%, much worse for the player than a normal single deck, but not nearly as bad as the single deck 6 to 5 ripoff game"

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

If 6 to 5 is "incomprehensible" and a "ripoff game" in a single deck game, WTF is 1 to 1 in a multi-deck game playing 5 to 8 times as many hands per hour online versus the referenced BandM game above?????

HUH, Nicolas,Jaxon,Kendra,Ruby,Ms.SLOTO,Ian of Rival Gaming,Bryan!! Is the math just too cryptic?

 

[AussieDave]

Even at slotocash I have seen same slot very often switch between 93,94,95 and 96%. (Scary Rich). In the start the payout was published with 2 digits as well as 94.23% etc.

ISlot Psychedeilic Sixties

At that time the payout was published to 95%.

It is configured to 65% payout.

I believe SlotOcash got a little too greedy with this configuration. Also it is unethical to change the slot so drastic without any notification since people believe they know what they are playing. 65% payout is even illegal in many juristictions (and it should be!) Check last line in the screenshot.

Screen Cap proof from SlotoCash:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotocash-slot-configured-to-65-payout.32540/

we can not change any games.

Sloto'Cash have kept the same settings since launching back in 2007

Now SlotoCash joins the throng of Rival Casinos to try and save their neck by also BS us

What Rival and their casino operators don't realise is the number of posts and evidence all members of CM have access to...

How about all Rival Casinos and Rival Software stop digging yourselves a deeper hole, and fess up.



Cheers



Dave

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Just a note we are pulling all links for Tradition off every site, we are making a post on our forum to warn players off this casino. From the first day of me reading their terms and calling them out on the no negative carry over sneaky changes I have felt this place was trouble! We are advising any players that spent money on BJ in this casino to contact me asap so I can fight for them to be returned any and all funds they were cheated on.

I wish you luck. Maybe the Rival deaf, dumb, and blind act can finally be stopped. Afterall it is offensive to the disabled.

 

[KasinoKing]

Now SlotoCash joins the throng of Rival Casinos to try and save their neck by also BS us

What Rival and their casino operators don't realise is the number of posts and evidence all members of CM have access to...

How about all Rival Casinos and Rival Software stop digging yourselves a deeper hole, and fess up.

Just for balance - Sloto didn't change the game rules on those slots - Rival did.
This particular one was obviously a typo - the latest in a long string of typos in Rivals slot game rules.
For other examples, see this thread starting from post #42:-
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/when-are-rival-going-to-fix-these-bugs.25246/
There are also some more similar threads somewhere if anyone wants to search for them.

IMO the games played correctly as designed, just Rival were VERY sloppy regards the writing of the rules pages and didn't seem to do any proof reading. This seems to have been resolved in the last 12 months or so, and I haven't noticed any more howlers like those.

KK

 

[silcnlayc]

KasinoKing:This particular one was obviously a typo - the latest in a long string of typos in Rivals slot game rules.

I remember those long runs of comedy of errors. I also remember many offering their reading and writing expertise but were never taken up by Rival. Rival needs to be accountable for any and all errors and so should the casino operators for failing to read their own rules and statements.

This has been pointed out to the reps and Rival so many times, it is downright silly to try to give them any more rope. The reps and owners are all to blame. If you run a business..you can have one, maybe two oopsees but to have a rash of them and then blame the provider when you are the OPERATOR...that is really old in passing the buck. It is YOUR business and you should know it inside and out and not rely on a third party (The software company) to take the blame for the errors you glossed over until you got caught with the fingers in jar.

Maybe they all should have taken up the offers from others for proof reading their T&C's etc because then they wouldn't be sitting in the circle of fire.

.

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

Rival poor returns in slots. Should have been enough for everyone to run for the exit. I always knew something was fishy with rival. That's why I closed all my accounts a long time ago. To be honest, im really getting a kick out watching them "UNRIVAL".

 

[LaurieJim]

Rival needs to come clean with the truth

We are taking down Tradition which we should have done from first light of this thread. It is also our intent to start pulling down banners and links till Rival comes clean to CM and its huge following of forum members, we have been lied to, mislead and have had to endure the worst customer service online, the bonus banning and the list goes on.

This matter with Rival software to quote Vice President Biden is a


Big Fuxxing Deal !!!!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Rival should have seen this coming, and so should have the operators. Many are probably surprised how long they managed to stumble along without anything REALLY serious happening. Now, the inevitable has happened, and affiliates are removing links to some or all Rival powered casinos. THIS is what will cause the damage, more so than a rogue listing here at Casinomeister.

When reps, or even Rival for that matter, post a reply, they should not only post what they believe to be the truth, but be aware that what they post MUST tie in with the evidence currently available, and any other posts from other reps. This is NOT happening at present, and we are getting the very clear impression of a damage limitation exercise, rather than of open and honest replies.

I have noticed reps are carefully choosing their words when posting, trying to make things look OK, but not wanting to go so far as to LIE because of the danger of being caught.

Sloto is a fine example of this, by saying they cannot change the odds of the game THROUGH THE BACK END, but WITHOUT directly stating that they COULD do this simply by issuing protocols to Rival. In the case of payments, we have seen that operators issue protocols, and Rival simply implement then, no "vetting" or "permission" needed - just a mechanical carrying out of the instruction.

If there WERE any vetting done by Rival, what happened at Tradition could not POSSIBLY have happened, because the request to set BJ to 1:1 would have been refused on the spot, and even if they had requested 6:5, there would have been checks to ensure that the rules and felts matched the change.
We are forgetting that this wasn't the ONLY change Tradition made, they ALSO didn't allow doubles after splits, and this ALSO was not reflected in the game rules.

Testimony from Zoozie referencing those old threads has made it clear that the facility to request changes to the RTP of the slots has ALWAYS EXISTED, so reps can stop trying to hide this through cryptic "non-answers". This has ALWAYS been a rhetorical question right from the start, I just wanted to see how reps would "spin" their answers The way these questions have been answered on this thread has helped us to form an opinion as to how transparent an answer we are likely to get regarding THIS issue.

It now appears that behind the scenes Rival operators have the SAME abilities as RTG operators to fiddle with paytables and RTP settings of the games. It also seems that until THIS scandal broke, operators may well have had access to at least some of these settings through the back end software, since the quoted reply from Rival over this issue was that systems were CHANGED in order to prevent something like this from happening again.

I do NOT buy the argument that this was simply a mistake, it looks like Tradition INTENTIONALLY made/requested the changes to 1:1 payout and no double after splits, but INCOMPETENCE lead to the felts and rules not being updated, and thus an inevitable "cheating" scandal blew up in their faces.

 

[Webzcas]

I contacted my affiliate manager at Sloto Cash and the response she got from the casino manager which she passed onto me was exactly the same as made here - also referencing this thread

As a player I would at this moment in time not touch a Rival Casino in light of this thread. Therefore I am pulling the two Rival Casinos I promote on OCR.

 

[AussieDave]

Sloto didn't change the game rules on those slots - Rival did.

Must you also play semantics.

SlotoCash should know every square inch/centimeter of their casino operations, games and everything else that is pertinent to their casino business.

Besides "change the game rules on those slots" is only a contextual problem.

It certainly doesn't influence a game(s) RTP.

Not like actually being able to tweak a game, in the case of SlotoCash with iSlot Psychedeilic Sixties, taking it (or allowing it to be dropped) from 95% to an insane 65% a week or two later.

Is that balanced enough for you


Cheers



Dave

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Are you kidding? Why wouldn't you compare it to see what it shows? That is an immediate verification and should match what the screen just showed. It's not like RTG where you would have to request it.

Yes, I am kidding. Of course, when the Dealer's 9 beats my 17 and the BJ game ,i.e. software is ready for my next bet, I went immediately to the history (and took a screenshot). Rival can see the currently posted screenshot just like you and I. No offense but I wish to hear their reply on the currently posted screenshot, (not that their superior ability to open mouth and insert foot is the truth).

BTW, at the RTG's I'm familiar with, the player's most current or last 21 (no pun intended) BJ hand histories are available via the software. May be an operator setting option though!

That is completely wrong. For example, I just now pulled up Ruby Royal play from 3/18, it's all still there.

I am not re-opening a Rival account to see if there has finally been a real recent fix which is possible. Chuchu has also posted pursuant to this Rival misreprentation so maybe he can check if one is still logged out every few minutes (having to restart again at page 1 after being logged out). I suggested a simple fix long ago to Rival, a "Go To" button with pull down options like "Date","Page","Game" and others but last I saw was just the same old "next" and "previous" buttons. At 600 BJ hands an hour and 20 transactions per page, my entire (and usually my daily) play history was never accessible as Rival represents.

Thus, I was persistent as hell and I guess lucky to finally receive my 130K+ BJ hand histories from Rival although the last 30K I finally received were in some language from the "stone age" and "as is", virtually impossible to audit. This is when I abruptly closed my two Rival accounts in January 2009 as I no longer trusted Rival or their BJ. A year later, I opened an account at Box 24 (a non-Bonne Chance) for a few weeks and recorded every BJ hand myself. Closed this account based on an audit of my Rival BJ play. Suit yourselves

You could email it to someone here to post for you. Hell, I would do it for you, no big deal.

Well, if the forum does not do it for me soon, as in the past, I will need some type of help as I sucked with sketch and skew (never really skewed so maybe that is the problem, will ask KK for help since I am now somewhat familiar with the function) attempts especially on the digital pictures I need for a post that is written and ready to post but I can not attach the file. Also will want to eventually post the hand history you requested. Stay tuned.

If something like that ever happened to me, I would want as much evidence as possible

Well, I am just like you, lol

Cheers and patience,please

 

[bb28]

Nashvegas said. "I am not re-opening a Rival account to see if there has finally been a real recent fix which is possible. Chuchu has also posted pursuant to this Rival misreprentation so maybe he can check if one is stilled logged every few minutes (having to restart again at page 1 after being logged out). I suggested a simple fix long ago to Rival, a "Go To" button with pull down options like "Date","Page","Game" and others but last I saw was just the same old "next" and "previous" buttons. At 600 BJ hands an hour and 20 transactions per page, my entire (and usually my daily) play history was never accessible as Rival represents."

I've always had misgivings and been suspicious of the fact that the history was so difficult to access and I've often felt that they did not want to make it easy for you to do by the way it is set up. If they wanted to make it accessible and easy to find seems like they would have.

 

[kakata]

One night I return home and find my door broken....so I come in to find a thief with his hands full of money which were in my bedroom drawer.

After a little struggle I subdue him and the guy start to cry and gives me all the money he stole and gives me also 200 bux of his own money to compensate me for the damages done and tells me all his "story" of past problems and so on and on and on.........

Will I invite him for dinner next week....????

 

[Roanan]

This thread is so active, I imagine you all missed this:

tradition
I-Gaming Industry Representative
Last Activity: Today 12:28 AM

Yes, that's right:

Tradition was online this morning (7:30am GMT) and they WERE READING THE THREAD, but have obviously chosen to not respond/run to the hills.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Just for balance - Sloto didn't change the game rules on those slots - Rival did.
This particular one was obviously a typo - the latest in a long string of typos in Rivals slot game rules.
For other examples, see this thread starting from post #42:-
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/when-are-rival-going-to-fix-these-bugs.25246/
There are also some more similar threads somewhere if anyone wants to search for them.

IMO the games played correctly as designed just Rival were VERY sloppy regards the writing of the rules pages and didn't seem to do any proof reading. This seems to have been resolved in the last 12 months or so, and I haven't noticed any more howlers like those.

KK

"Correctly as designed" for BJ----->>>Not really sure what Rival's designs intended with single hand BJ but probably not sure based on the fact(s) there have been way too many fraudlent designed schemes by Rival/Bonne Chance that have been posted ad nauseum and are not cryptic .

If you by some chance meant "Fairly as designed" for BJ------->>>No way, at least for the player with single hand BJ

KK, I realize your post may be just in reference to slots and not BJ. Regardless, then my post still stands on BJ only.

 

[slotheadlizard]

JHV

I can confirm our blackjack pays out 3:2.

I'm honestly not sure why my name is being dragged through the mud. I replied to the OPs PM, with the truth; there is nothing I can do.

I can understand the OPs frustration, but I'm not sure exactly what else was expected of me, given this is an issue between a player and a casino I have zero access to and is totally unrelated except for our common provider.

Yes we share the same outsourced CS, but we have managers that will react to specific individual cases like this one in different manners, as each casino administrator feels fit. Lumping the decisions of one casino administration together with that of another seems a little bit of a stretch.

I'm also not sure why our private conversation was brought into public domain when it has nothing to do with the topic of complaint.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Regal Affiliates Manager

I have nothing to add to the thread that has not already been said. I just have a question for JHV.

JHV, Unfortunately you suck at not writing uninteresting posts, not being well versed, not being complete and irrefutable with your evidence, but its a blessing and a curse as Monk would say. You couldn't help but to be "outed", who else writes like that?

I do have a question though, I wanted to make sure you could respond, otherwise I would not have even bothered. On the other VR thread concerning payout, you sang Nicolas' praises, well SamD did. You bragged about the thousands that you were quickly being paid. To be honest it seemed a little schilly(?) to me, but I took you at your word. Which now seems ridiculous, as you claimed your English is usually better. BS, anyone who has read your previous posts knows that Webster could reference you
So what was the deal with all of that fake praise? Perhaps it was real, but now seems weird that you would throw Nicholas under the bus.
I am in now way whatsoever defending any Rival. I was a little upset with VR on the whole non explaining of the QT thing, but Nicolas was communicating with me through PMs, and that was cool. It just didn't stop me from venting little frustration in the thread. The only thing is I felt a little better after you posted about your great experiences with them.

That being said though, I always thought your threads were the most interesting, when you were behaving that is. I'm glad you can continue in this thread, and sincerely hope that it it gets resolved for every Rival BJ player as well as for you.

 

[tuollesMC]

This is JHV / SamD. Ugh, 3 aliases now. I hope I don't get the same trojan as nitro - that is a joke, of course. As you can see this is my first post with this alias and I hope it will be my last. Bryan emailed me saying he was lifting my restrictions for this thread only and I responded with a long rant effectively saying "thanks but no thanks" - for reasons which revolve primarily around my inability to ignore side issues and my posting about them would just be unproductive at this present time. And I would almost certainly get banned for cheekily doing exactly what Bryan has asked me many times not to do, and for which JHV account was last banned as per the "You shall not pass" message for JHV below.

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I'm only posting with a this 3rd account as I still can't post with SamD [I'm sure just purely technical issue there as I can access the blogs and stuff, just no threads including this one] and this is easier than waiting for the technical issue to be fixed and I'm tired and wish to call it a day - but I must post quick development update first and then quickly close everything down so that I don't trap myself as I am wont to do.

Update: I was literally stunned to see Vegas Regal and especially floored to see Tradition also had processed 2k each of my pending withdrawals just now - leaving only 2750 pending.

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I honestly don't know how to take this development or what it means for this issue. But it is only fair that I report it obviously. It's really baffled me actually as although it would be easy to jump to cynical conclusions about their motivations for paying, I think that would be perhaps incorrect. No approaches were made to me even hinting along the lines of "Maybe the payments will come faster if you xxx yyy etc" [which I admit I considered might be a possibility]. Nothing like that, and there hasn't been any real pressure on them whatsoever to pay it, either from me or from any form of outcry or anything. And especially for Tradition who are really under the pump, they could have so easily waited a substantially longer time to see how things pan out before paying the player who they might see as maliciously posted against them [even though ofc I am never malicious, except perhaps to myself].

I'm rambling along as I do so I should conclude. I'll just close with I guess the fact that I had completely written that 2k from Tradition off, and demolished my accessible balance under the 100% belief they were rogue - and I've called them rogue publicly here - and yet they paid well ahead of any real self-interest requirement forcing them to, at least not that I can see. And in my experience, Rogues don't really do that. So hell if I know what to make of it, but I must remind myself in my bubbling relief of receiving 2/3 of my withdrawals, that the open questions still hang in the air unanswered and that I was still bonus-banned for what I believe to be purely vindictive reasons [and I see Nicholas has left VRC in another thread, but I cannot start off on another of 500 tangents I would like to very much comment on or I will literally never finish].

JHV, Unfortunately you suck at not writing uninteresting posts, not being well versed, not being complete and irrefutable with your evidence, but its a blessing and a curse as Monk would say. You couldn't help but to be "outed", who else writes like that?

I do have a question though, I wanted to make sure you could respond, otherwise I would not have even bothered. On the other VR thread concerning payout, you sang Nicolas' praises, well SamD did. You bragged about the thousands that you were quickly being paid. To be honest it seemed a little schilly(?) to me, but I took you at your word. Which now seems ridiculous, as you claimed your English is usually better. BS, anyone who has read your previous posts knows that Webster could reference you
So what was the deal with all of that fake praise? Perhaps it was real, but now seems weird that you would throw Nicholas under the bus.
I am in now way whatsoever defending any Rival. I was a little upset with VR on the whole non explaining of the QT thing, but Nicolas was communicating with me through PMs, and that was cool. It just didn't stop me from venting little frustration in the thread. The only thing is I felt a little better after you posted about your great experiences with them.

That being said though, I always thought your threads were the most interesting, when you were behaving that is. I'm glad you can continue in this thread, and sincerely hope that it it gets resolved for every Rival BJ player as well as for you.

Sorry that I cannot continue, but your question is an especially valid one and the simple answer to it was that none of my praise was fake. I do not give fake praise [except perhaps on VERY rare occasion to pretty girls]. And I do not bear false witness or give unfair criticism [imo] either but we shouldn't go down that road probably. The praise I gave was not a brag, there is never honour is bragging, and braggers who think other people see their brag and think "oh he's cool, I wish I could be him" are idiots are two fronts; a) I'm not sure anyone in history has ever thought that when a bragger is bragging, and b) they are deserving of pity / contempt [which is the same thing of course] for being so pathetic they derive joy from the envy of others. I can be pathetic, I'm sure an ex-girlfriend or two can confirm this [noose], but if the day comes where I derive joy from the envy of others, I insist that someone must immediately kill me, I beg you in advance.

Didn't I post the screenshot of the payouts in the last few days from VRC in that post? Pretty sure I did. Vegas Regal had behaved like [relative] champions compared to my life experience with online casinos. I was reading that slow payment thread and Nicholas' intelligent and measured responses to posts I'm sure must have been very much frustrating at times. And I didn't think they were getting all that fair a show - I merely posted my [in lolz disguise] but very real experience with them to that point. If it looked like I threw Nicholas under the bus, that was not really the gameplan. I was angry with Nicholas when posting this thread, sure - because I was already kind of feeling guilty that I was starting to unethically delay making the issue public purely to protect VRC at that stage, and as the hours ticked over without a reply from him, I was getting more and more confused and more and more annoyed at the lack of response.

When I logged into Vegas Regal to blow off steam and see if I could grab him on Instant Chat at same time, only to see my delays [which were already starting to cause me a bit of guilt] for VRC's benefit were repaid with taking away my all promotions / bonuses after many many months of endless bonuses to lengthen playtime and a mass of purely recreational play...I guess you could say I was a little indignant, which is another word for butt-hurt and I was also very much feeling betrayed and a little angry at myself for being so naive [yet again]. I then posted everything in the OP here.

And I should sleep. Good night.

 

[AussieDave]

A warning has now been issued, with relevant facts and information, domain listing of all Rival casinos and including a link back to this thread over at Dodgy Casino Online History.

Under the circumstances and with the information at hand, I would urge all site owners to advise their players and visitors about the current Rival issues and pointing them back to this thread.



Cheers



Dave

 

[LaurieJim]

We already have and Twitter is next on my to do list.


Laurie

 

[slotheadlizard]

JHV

This is JHV / SamD. Ugh, 3 aliases now. I hope I don't get the same trojan as nitro - that is a joke, of course. As you can see this is my first post with this alias and I hope it will be my last. Bryan emailed me saying he was lifting my restrictions for this thread only and I responded with a long rant effectively saying "thanks but no thanks" - for reasons which revolve primarily around my inability to ignore side issues and my posting about them would just be unproductive at this present time. And I would almost certainly get banned for cheekily doing exactly what Bryan has asked me many times not to do, and for which JHV account was last banned as per the "You shall not pass" message for JHV below.

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I'm only posting with a this 3rd account as I still can't post with SamD [I'm sure just purely technical issue there as I can access the blogs and stuff, just no threads including this one] and this is easier than waiting for the technical issue to be fixed and I'm tired and wish to call it a day - but I must post quick development update first and then quickly close everything down so that I don't trap myself as I am wont to do.

Update: I was literally stunned to see Vegas Regal and especially floored to see Tradition also had processed 2k each of my pending withdrawals just now - leaving only 2750 pending.

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I honestly don't know how to take this development or what it means for this issue. But it is only fair that I report it obviously. It's really baffled me actually as although it would be easy to jump to cynical conclusions about their motivations for paying, I think that would be perhaps incorrect. No approaches were made to me even hinting along the lines of "Maybe the payments will come faster if you xxx yyy etc" [which I admit I considered might be a possibility]. Nothing like that, and there hasn't been any real pressure on them whatsoever to pay it, either from me or from any form of outcry or anything. And especially for Tradition who are really under the pump, they could have so easily waited a substantially longer time to see how things pan out before paying the player who they might see as maliciously posted against them [even though ofc I am never malicious, except perhaps to myself].

I'm rambling along as I do so I should conclude. I'll just close with I guess the fact that I had completely written that 2k from Tradition off, and demolished my accessible balance under the 100% belief they were rogue - and I've called them rogue publicly here - and yet they paid well ahead of any real self-interest requirement forcing them to, at least not that I can see. And in my experience, Rogues don't really do that. So hell if I know what to make of it, but I must remind myself in my bubbling relief of receiving 2/3 of my withdrawals, that the open questions still hang in the air unanswered and that I was still bonus-banned for what I believe to be purely vindictive reasons [and I see Nicholas has left VRC in another thread, but I cannot start off on another of 500 tangents I would like to very much comment on or I will literally never finish].



Sorry that I cannot continue, but your question is an especially valid one and the simple answer to it was that none of my praise was fake. I do not give fake praise [except perhaps on VERY rare occasion to pretty girls]. And I do not bear false witness or give unfair criticism [imo] either but we shouldn't go down that road probably. The praise I gave was not a brag, there is never honour is bragging, and braggers who think other people see their brag and think "oh he's cool, I wish I could be him" are idiots are two fronts; a) I'm not sure anyone in history has ever thought that when a bragger is bragging, and b) they are deserving of pity / contempt [which is the same thing of course] for being so pathetic they derive joy from the envy of others. I can be pathetic, I'm sure an ex-girlfriend or two can confirm this [noose], but if the day comes where I derive joy from the envy of others, I insist that someone must immediately kill me, I beg you in advance.

Didn't I post the screenshot of the payouts in the last few days from VRC in that post? Pretty sure I did. Vegas Regal had behaved like [relative] champions compared to my life experience with online casinos. I was reading that slow payment thread and Nicholas' intelligent and measured responses to posts I'm sure must have been very much frustrating at times. And I didn't think they were getting all that fair a show - I merely posted my [in lolz disguise] but very real experience with them to that point. If it looked like I threw Nicholas under the bus, that was not really the gameplan. I was angry with Nicholas when posting this thread, sure - because I was already kind of feeling guilty that I was starting to unethically delay making the issue public purely to protect VRC at that stage, and as the hours ticked over without a reply from him, I was getting more and more confused and more and more annoyed at the lack of response.

When I logged into Vegas Regal to blow off steam and see if I could grab him on Instant Chat at same time, only to see my delays [which were already starting to cause me a bit of guilt] for VRC's benefit were repaid with taking away my all promotions / bonuses after many many months of endless bonuses to lengthen playtime and a mass of purely recreational play...I guess you could say I was a little indignant, which is another word for butt-hurt and I was also very much feeling betrayed and a little angry at myself for being so naive [yet again]. I then posted everything in the OP here.

And I should sleep. Good night.

Thanks for responding, OK that makes sense.

P.S. Um, that would be 4, don't forget "Scooter".

 

[chuchu59]

Nashvegas said. "I am not re-opening a Rival account to see if there has finally been a real recent fix which is possible. Chuchu has also posted pursuant to this Rival misreprentation so maybe he can check if one is stilled logged every few minutes (having to restart again at page 1 after being logged out). I suggested a simple fix long ago to Rival, a "Go To" button with pull down options like "Date","Page","Game" and others but last I saw was just the same old "next" and "previous" buttons. At 600 BJ hands an hour and 20 transactions per page, my entire (and usually my daily) play history was never accessible as Rival represents."

I've always had misgivings and been suspicious of the fact that the history was so difficult to access and I've often felt that they did not want to make it easy for you to do by the way it is set up. If they wanted to make it accessible and easy to find seems like they would have.

I have checked my hand histories at many Rival casinos. If you are patient enough you should be able to check all the hands/spijns you played theoretically. I am using this word because there is no way you can manually check all your hand histories if you have played hundreds of thousands of spins because they log you out of the cashier after about 12 minutes. So the only way to check would be to flip thru the pages furiously but it takes around 10 seconds to flip to the next/previous page and there are only 20 transactions on each page. They are all bundled together, unlike MG so the histories for all games ie slots, paigow poker and BJ. If you want to trace a hand say 2000 transactions back you will need more than 16 minutes but you will have been logged out by then.

They can fix it all right. It's just that they dont want to.

 

[chuchu59]

One night I return home and find my door broken....so I come in to find a thief with his hands full of money which were in my bedroom drawer.

After a little struggle I subdue him and the guy start to cry and gives me all the money he stole and gives me also 200 bux of his own money to compensate me for the damages done and tells me all his "story" of past problems and so on and on and on.........

Will I invite him for dinner next week....????

You obviously wouldnt as this is a guy. If it had been a gal I expect you to treat her to a 10-course dinner.

 

[AussieDave]

Have followed suit with CM and WebzCas on his site OCR by blacklisting Traditional Casino.

Dave

 

[Roanan]

Wow...Tradition really has a LOT of nerve.

Early this morning:

tradition
I-Gaming Industry Representative
Last Activity: Today 12:28 AM

RIGHT NOW:

tradition
I-Gaming Industry Representative
Last Activity: Today 11:48 PM
Current Activity: Viewing Thread Roguish Tradition Casino and likely all Rival casinos are Rogue. All Evidence shown here.

Yet STILL no response?!?!?!