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So it pays the same but plays out differently?
No, thats the beauty of doing it this way, pay/outcome changes, you get alot more variations this way, making it feel more random.
But filling all the bars yellow on spin #300 will always yield the same result, atleast up until garga lands.
Im not sure if his position is predetermined or randomly chosen in some way the same way the bars are.
 

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No, thats the beauty of doing it this way, pay/outcome changes, you get alot more variations this way, making it feel more random.
But filling all the bars yellow on spin #300 will always yield the same result, atleast up until garga lands.
Im not sure if his position is predetermined or randomly chosen in some way the same way the bars are.
I always wondered if they perhaps made multiple rng calls in one spin to increase the randomness because the slots can lag mid spin (while it contacts the server again?) and there's where the 100 billion to one comes in: yes gemix can pay 4700x but only if you happen to hit this exact sequence of rng calls, if that makes sense.
 

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I always wondered if they perhaps made multiple rng calls in one spin to increase the randomness because the slots can lag mid spin (while it contacts the server again?) and there's where the 100 billion to one comes in: yes gemix can pay 4700x but only if you happen to hit this exact sequence of rng calls, if that makes sense.
Yeah, hitting the top win on a png grid-slot is pretty close to impossible as i understand it.
Im not sure if they make calls during a spin tho, wouldnt it make more sense to just make all the calls at the beginning and then play out the spin?
But i do know what you mean about lag in the middle of a spin, so maybe they make a new call after each bar or something.

Another one of those things we will never really know, but will be told 'its random'
The slotting industry have a peculiar definition of the word random. :laugh:
 
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Looks fine to me - two instances of the same injected big win out of a database, preceded by a different losing game. They just need to add more 300x big win entries to fend off the conspiracy theorists.
And the 3 scatter on this isnt that uncommon..... it loves that tease - far more than Bonanza does.

And whilst the outcome is the same, and the end screen is the same - the spins are not identical. Different amount of diamonds and barrels landing before the conversion.

For me - it just shows that the barrel extra feature is just a spin where it converts a symbol before landing to a "mystery" one.. a fact we know, but a gimmick just to add excitement when it reveals a big win.
 

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Im more shocked that people actually think these games are actual reel strips, and not just animations playing out for the win amount the server has sent back when you click the spin button. Its beyond obvious at this point how far away these games are from the word RANDOM.
Personally I'm shocked at hot takes like this based on absolutely no industry knowledge, but hey that's just me i suppose :)
 

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Personally I'm shocked at hot takes like this based on absolutely no industry knowledge, but hey that's just me i suppose :)

Its more an opinion based on over 15 years playing them then a hot take. I dont think you need to be a industry insider full of knowledge of the background to how the machines work to see clear patterns or notice when things feel very UN random. That just comes from lots of experience playing them for years and years. :)
 

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Personally I'm shocked at hot takes like this based on absolutely no industry knowledge, but hey that's just me i suppose :)
Are you claiming slots are random?
Got any evidence supporting that theory? ;)

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I have to say, i have always been very impressed by the level of philosophy and understanding shown by bears, not just on this site, but the world over.
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Oh dear. Oh deary me. The amount of Bonanza videos I've made moaning that series of spins and play seem to follow a pattern. Diamond Mine (same game) has just produced a PAIR of near identical spins, reel patterns and wins on two separate stakes and sessions for this guy!!!!!!

Watch the first 2 minutes of this video and tell me it hasn't shocked you......:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Diamond Mine is certainly NOT the same game as Bonanza, I always wondered how the provider had built a version of the math in such a short period of time; now it's evident that they extracted many thousands of reel outcomes from Bonanza and fed them into some kind of Tombola system, the same kind of system that aggregates outcomes, just like Jamming Jars.

In terms of the overlay barrels, they are of no consequence to the reels they would just pick the symbol with the biggest win and replace an X amount with barrels, possibly the only random thing in this game.

@dunover, you could happily spin Bonanza until the sun becomes a black hole (providing you can upload your consciousness to a machine that allows you to play Bonanza for a billion years, or so, and the said machine can survive the massive gravitational impact the black hole).

The only screen that is ever the same is the launch screen with GOL, which loads the first-ever instance of Bonanza once you press spin your off to infinity and back before you see the same game board.

With all the random symbol positions and the random reel density, Bonanza has many, many more permutations than a deck of cards.

BTG have never scripted a slot machine and never will, we use mathematics, not a look-up results-based tombola.
 

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Diamond Mine is certainly NOT the same game as Bonanza, I always wondered how the provider had built a version of the math in such a short period of time; now it's evident that they extracted many thousands of reel outcomes from Bonanza and fed them into some kind of Tombola system, the same kind of system that aggregates outcomes, just like Jamming Jars.

In terms of the overlay barrels, they are of no consequence to the reels they would just pick the symbol with the biggest win and replace an X amount with barrels, possibly the only random thing in this game.

@dunover, you could happily spin Bonanza until the sun becomes a black hole (providing you can upload your consciousness to a machine that allows you to play Bonanza for a billion years, or so, and the said machine can survive the massive gravitational impact the black hole).

The only screen that is ever the same is the launch screen with GOL, which loads the first-ever instance of Bonanza once you press spin your off to infinity and back before you see the same game board.

With all the random symbol positions and the random reel density, Bonanza has many, many more permutations than a deck of cards.

BTG have never scripted a slot machine and never will, we use mathematics, not a look-up results-based tombola.
So Diamond Mine is now officially a 'lottery slot'. :laugh:

It's true enough, I haven't seen an incidence of Bonanza producing 2 identical bonus rounds (aside from those rare bastards that pay zero).

OK, I rephrase that - Diamond Mine is supposed to be the same as Bonanza. You are 100% correct about the so-called mystery symbols, which are just barrels replacing winning symbols you would've had anyway on the spins they appear on. In fact, if you're quick enough, you can tell what they will reveal anyway by looking at the symbols on the screen and seeing which there are fewest of. So if there's a lack of 'yellow' on the grid, then you know they will reveal queens for example.
 

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Wait, so even if i start playing bonanza today, and keep spinning until the heat death of the universe, i still dont have a chance in replicating the
14 000x hit that coffeegrounds showed on their youtube.
As far as pep talks go, this one did not motivate me very much.

3/10
 

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Wait, so even if i start playing bonanza today, and keep spinning until the heat death of the universe, i still dont have a chance in replicating the
14 000x hit that coffeegrounds showed on their youtube.
As far as pep talks go, this one did not motivate me very much.

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Your forgetting the fact that they don’t have 0.09cent bet you would of been unlikely to even attempt loading the gol screen
 

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It is known.

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