Your Input Please Rage against the Bonus....

[Casinomeister]

Everyone should know how I feel about the whole bonus thing:
https://www.casinomeister.com/bonus-offers/

And talk to any operator, they are here to stay. Sure if all bonuses are banned world-wide, all it takes is one casino to offer one, and it's a domino effect.

Not much you can do about it but convince operators to have other means of promotional material. Free concert tickets - sporting events - trips to Malta etc.

 

[KasinoKing]

Here's an honest Q to the affiliates.
You all offer incentives I'm sure.
Do not the ones offering SUBS draw you in players and sign ups vs straight up deposits?

Well all bar a couple of casinos I list offer SUB's, and it would be a difficult task to drill down the detail (if it's even available) to see how many new players take the SUB and how many do straight deposits.

But what I can say for sure, is that I list casinos on my site in order of the value of the Welcome Bonus (the "value" is mostly related to the level of WR - though other factors, such as %, Cashable or Phantom, bonus forfeiture without completing full WR, etc. also influence the overall score), and the ones with the better bonuses attract more players - as clear as day.

I actually got to the point about 18 months ago when I pretty much stopped adding any new "NetEnt based" casinos to my site with WR higher than (D+B)x20 or Bx40, because I knew I would most likely just be wasting my time & effort on them.
That's why you wont find accredited places like Energy & iGame on my site - because in my opinion, their SUB's suck.

KK

 

[brianmon]

Not much you can do about it but convince operators to have other means of promotional material. Free concert tickets - sporting events - trips to Malta etc.

That would be good if EVERY player got a trip to malta

But since only one, or a handful of players would win anything of value, the majority getting sweet FA, or a few spins on starburst. The bonus will always win over a raffle or competition, because everyone gets the same/similar

Free spins with wagering would be an alternative to the match bonus, IF the wagering was based on the initial value of the free spins, not the won amount.
Otherwise any player who does happen to get lucky with them is completely stitched-up with the huge wagering which comes from a big win.

 

[dunover]

The trouble is that many bonuses now have more strings than a Tampax factory. It's a travail for experienced people like us let alone gullible newbies to trawl though all the excluded games, shonky mathematics (like the stupid ones stating WR is only 5x B but in the weasel-wording further down 'slots only contribute 10% to WR'... )

At least the MG Viper ones at 35x B WR are straightforward despite being EV-.

I still think the Trada ones are best. You withdraw and it's actually sticky (in a good way) as any £2 increments you haven't turned to cash of say your 50 quid match bonus remain to be fed-in during your next session.

 

[goatwack]

The trouble is that many bonuses now have more strings than a Tampax factory. It's a travail for experienced people like us let alone gullible newbies to trawl though all the excluded games, shonky mathematics (like the stupid ones stating WR is only 5x B but in the weasel-wording further down 'slots only contribute 10% to WR'... )

At least the MG Viper ones at 35x B WR are straightforward despite being EV-.

I still think the Trada ones are best. You withdraw and it's actually sticky (in a good way) as any £2 increments you haven't turned to cash of say your 50 quid match bonus remain to be fed-in during your next session.

Fan of Trada much

Can't say I recall ever having played there but if the bonus system is good I'm always up for that. Decent/ fair bonuses are becoming rarer than hen's teeth, can't be too much to ask for some playtime and have an outside chance of a cashout. We're already got a 4% handicap as it is!

 

[dunover]

Fan of Trada much

Can't say I recall ever having played there but if the bonus system is good I'm always up for that. Decent/ fair bonuses are becoming rarer than hen's teeth, can't be too much to ask for some playtime and have an outside chance of a cashout. We're already got a 4% handicap as it is!

I don't play there at the moment as they are not on my 'live' cycle of casinos this month. But I have met Mr.Trada a couple of times at the Meistermeet and a nicer more straightforward bloke you couldn't meet. You have a bar above your game and each time you hit the 100% £2 quid goes into the cash balance on your slot. No strings, no hindrance to withdrawing. As some casinos now love to say on their site 'NO Bullshit!'

They also pay fast too.

 

[beachmba]

Will someone please help a newbie? What do the following acronyms mean? FA, FS, AP, SE, PAB, B&Ms. Thank you

 

[kavaman]

I agree to disagree to both CM and dunover on this. I am actually pro bonus, i think they are great if you have time to read the rules of the casino. If not, just decline the offer. Bonuses are what makes a new casino interesting for a player. If there were no bonuses, i think we would just all play on some major casino like 32red, where i tend to spend most of my time, and have alot of fun, but sometimes i think its time to change things up, and play elsewhere too. If there were no bonus offers , i think it would be a terrible loss for the whole industry as new casinos would not have much power to compete against the big ones .

There would be just a few major casinos where everyone would play. I think it would eventually turn out into a situation where the casino's would not have to "fight" for players, and they would deteriorate to big monsters who don't care about their players as much as they do now.

Free trips to malta, and promotional ipad's and stuff is all great, but only a small part of players actually wins any of these things, so a bonus offer is a more straightforward way to reward a player.

But then again, im not like many players, because i hate the freespins, i don't usually even play them since the value is only a few dollars. I also think there should always be a choice to decline the bonus offers, even for first deposits, since not anyone likes to be restricted to bonus rules.

 

[weesie]

Will someone please help a newbie? What do the following acronyms mean? FA, FS, AP, SE, PAB, B&Ms. Thank you

Hi,

I am the last one to help you but I do know a couple.

B&M stands for "brick & mortar" casino, land casinos

AP stands for "advantage player"

PAB is a term for here at CM stands for "Pitch A Bitch" a service that can be provided here when an on line casino has been hard to deal with such as getting a cash out that was honestly earned or won

FS, I believe stands for "Free spins" at a casino.

The rest, I do not know.

I hope this helps a little!

 

[dionysus]

and SE is self-exclusion.
As to FA, I only know it as *uck all offhand

 

[KasinoKing]

Will someone please help a newbie? What do the following acronyms mean? FA, FS, AP, SE, PAB, B&Ms. Thank you

A couple of years ago CM had some system on the forum which put a little dotted line under acronyms, and a "mouse over" produced a pop-up with the full meaning. I wonder whatever happened to that...

Anyway, I think the above 2 posts have it right - I can't think of anything not rude for FA - where did you see that?

KK

 

[prop82]

Take a bonus or not ist an easy decision for me:

If you have to wager deposit and Bonus x times from the start and have no chance of cancelling/withdraw it i wont take it.
If there is the possibilty to withdraw as long as you didnt use the bonusmoney i always take it. Nothing to loose then. Like the bonuses at verajohn, leovegas, cherrycasino etc...
As my english isnt that good i cant better explain what i mean, but i think most will know it.

 

[dionysus]

Take a bonus or not ist an easy decision for me:

If you have to wager deposit and Bonus x times from the start and have no chance of cancelling/withdraw it i wont take it.
If there is the possibilty to withdraw as long as you didnt use the bonusmoney i always take it. Nothing to loose then. Like the bonuses at verajohn, leovegas, cherrycasino etc...
As my english isnt that good i cant better explain what i mean, but i think most will know it.

clear as a bell

 

[Petrer10]

Bonus

Well. A Bonus is always good. But for People who cannot read or want read the TC`S, Bonus Terms better never Play with Bonus.

 

[TradaCasino]

Thanks for all the great feedback on our cashback system.

Surprisingly, most players do not opt-in to the cashback system so we're working on improving the explanation and advertisement of the offer.


We recently did a small survey with some of our depositing players and found that the players who answered the 'Where did you hear about us?' question with Casinomeister (and other similar forums) were less inclined to take a deposit bonus.

Players that were not coming in through the forums were much more motivated by deposit matches/free spins than the likes of cashback and frequent player points. It seems that the better informed the player, the more likely they are to take a bonus.

Overall really interesting results, and I'd love to run a similar survey with you guys to compare the two.

Check out the responses to 'Which of these promotions offers is the most appealing to you?'. It looks like cash isn't king!

 

[lotusch]

Well said Dunover.
I am not a bonus user anyway as I got stung a few times when just starting to play online.
I didn't really understand the concept of SUB's and won decent a few times only to find out I still had to wager 7956 Euro's to be able to cash out my 500 quid.
So when i understood the concept of bonusses I stopped using them all together.

The only thing I still take on is Free Spins or Cash Back bonusses as they do not involve depositing from my end to retrieve these.
I have already earned them by just playing at a certain casino.

I do like cash back's or some kind of loyalty points (even if it takes 7 years to get enough points to get a pair of ray ban sunglasses).

SUB's for me? Nope NEVER.
I deposit at a casino and play.
If I win the money is mine and if I lose I lose.

Sound and clear.

 

[aceking123]

Thanks for all the great feedback on our cashback system.

Surprisingly, most players do not opt-in to the cashback system so we're working on improving the explanation and advertisement of the offer.


We recently did a small survey with some of our depositing players and found that the players who answered the 'Where did you hear about us?' question with Casinomeister (and other similar forums) were less inclined to take a deposit bonus.

Players that weren't coming in through the forums were much more motivated by deposit matches/free spins than the likes of cashback and frequent player points. It seems that the better informed the player, the more likely they are to take a bonus.

Overall really interesting results, and I'd love to run a similar survey with you guys to compare the two.

Check out the responses to 'Which of these promotions offers is the most appealing to you?'. It looks like cash isn't king!

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The pit fall from my side of things is great you have cash back ,but i would rather see that i'm able to put this into a pot to use whenever instead of it going straight into my account , you should maybe look along kinda cash back pot , where you opt in to monthly cash back or something ? ?

Bonus these are fine , if you don't read the terms attached to them then clearly do not tkae them, i play with & without don't get that many problems , i get more problems with free spins than bonuses ,if there's wagering attached to them.

 

[TradaCasino]

The pit fall from my side of things is great you have cash back ,but i would rather see that i'm able to put this into a pot to use whenever instead of it going straight into my account , you should maybe look along kinda cash back pot , where you opt in to monthly cash back or something ? ?

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

 

[KasinoKing]

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

I think what Mr.Jones meant, was it would be better if the cash-back was held in a completely separate "pot" and not put straight into play immediately.
So players could save their pot for a rainy day... e.g. when they bust out.
I would much prefer that too, as you would be able to see your rainy day pot slowly growing, and only claim it when it is a decent amount or when you desperately need it.

BTW, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like a typo in your previous post to me, and this sounds like a contradiction...

Players that weren't coming in through the forums were much more motivated by deposit matches/free spins than the likes of cashback and frequent player points. It seems that the better informed the player, the more likely they are to take a bonus.[\quote]

KK

 

[TradaCasino]

BTW, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like a typo in your previous post to me, and this sounds like a contradiction... [\quote]

What I'm saying is that players who come from the forum generally prefer cashback or FPP. Players that come from other sources are much more interested in deposit matches etc.

In relation to the idea of 'saving up' the cashback I may be able to implement this using a frequent player points model, instead of the system we work off at the moment.

I'll include this question in the next survey and let you know what the general consensus in

Thanks again for the feedback guys,

Rachel.

 

[lockinlove]

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

this is why I never chose the cashback. Something being released $2 at a time is not very appealing at all

 

[aceking123]

hi kk is correct in my thinking ) good job cheers kk )

I think you have a nice casino although i do not play weekly i do tend to pop over & make a few deposits, it would be better from my playing point of view if this could be side tracked or as pointed out by you guys monthly or in another pot as such , not to be added into account as i do any wagering , to be honest i doubt very much i would even notice £2 pounds being added on every £70 wagered.

I would play more if lets say i had been playing a few times in the month of ups & downs but done a fair amount of wagering & got a little cash trapped at the end , then i could just pop over & redeem the cash back i've built up over the playing time , no different from you adding funds as you go , but in a player's eyes bigger bulk of cashback to which you see in your pot you can use for those times when you wanna play but have low funds )

i know it isnt easy to do , just asking if its a possibility in the future ?

 

[Steviedoo]

I love bonuses. I only take a bonus when my deposits are small. $50 or less. and I play at casinos where I can cash out winnings...where... when I do take a bonus regardless of where the wagering requirement is at, you can still cash out some Money.

I don't like playing at casinos where all the WR must be met before cashing out. I used to play at these places. Sometimes I would meet wr sometimes not. Most of the time not. i don't play at those places anymore.

and as a rule when I have bonus funds I never bet over 5% of the bonus granted and that keeps me safe. So if I got 25$ bonus funds... my bet never goes over 1.25. I'm not a high roller.

But I do have to say being here on the forum has made me a better player. A more discriminate player. Every time I join a new casino I read the T&C s thoroughly especially the parts about the sub,bonus and free spins and wr and and and....I do this thoroughly not because I've had a bad experience but because I am a member here and you have all taught me to do so. So thank you casinomeister and casinomeister members.

 

[hedgehok]

At the moment there are very mixed feelings amongst the players on which they would prefer, so we're struggling with making a decision on it to be perfectly honest.
We could give the player the option of how regularly they want their cash-drops.

At the moment, it's £2 unlocked for every £70 wagered.

We could offer an option of £10 for every £350 wagered, or £50 every £1750 wagered. This way it would take much longer to access your cash, but at least by the time you reach the target you have a nice amount of real money to enjoy.

Would something like that work better for you?

Rachel.

KK made a great point there. If you have a pot and convert the accumulated points the player feels more rewarded although he/she gets the same amount of cashback in the long-run. The way it is at the moment you "trickle" the cashback in a way the player usually doesn't even realize he got something. You have to give the player the utmost feeling of appreciation and if he/she gets a big chunk of cashback in one go you more likely achieve that goal.

Funny enough Players at Videoslots feel more appreciated despite their cashback system is FAR worse than yours.

I had a chat with Joe the other day. You guys have the potential to be one of the best, make something out of it.

 

[shewoff]

All sound and reasonable answer's to the bonus scam. I myself do not play bonus's because of the very same reason's. I like to use my money to win or lose.
Here is a prime example of what I speak of. A casino that i have been an advocate of as of late burned me down last night with a bonus that I played and yes it was a bummer from the start.A $25.00 deposit with a $75.00 bonus that gave me $100.00 to play a $5000.00 playthru with a $500.00 max cashout?WOW!
And if you did not get the big win
A $50.00 chip with a $2500.00 playthru and a $100.0 max cashout? Where will I win and what? This is a huge mistake for any player to bet and I will no longer be playing at this casino with my hard earned money!
We try and that is all we can do this just make's me more aware of not playing anything that appear's to be a good deal from a casino? Chance;s are they are not. So in this instance the casino has lost a player and I have lost $25.00 and that is all the burning my ass can stand.Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff
P.S The exact amount of the playthru was not shown until after the deposit was made.