The removal of Autospin in uk.

Lemon

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Like many others, I think there are more important things for the UKGC to focus on - like making it illegal for casinos to run slots at less than 96% TRTP. This will protect problem gamblers AND non-problem gamblers alike.

As I pointed out when filling in the survey: "Lowering the TRTPs massively reduces the amount of play-time players get for their money, and so is likely to lead to players depositing more £, or more frequently, or both."

And: " I feel casinos should be forced to supply players with more information. In particular, the TRTP of each game should be clearly displayed either before you enter the game, or on the first screen that appears when the game window opens."

I nearly always use auto-play. If it is removed, I'm not sure I could be bothered to play regulated casinos any more...

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We've been spoiled in the UK for a long time and RTPs of 96-97% were never going to be sustainable in the long-term. I agree that 94% is quite a drop but you can still get a perfectly good game on that RTP%. Yes, your game time will be reduced on average which means your money will not last as long as it once did, but seeing as you have to adhere to deposit limits I don't see how your going to lose more money; you'll just spend it quicker. A lot of countries have never offered anywhere near 96% RTP yet the market is still vibrant. We have to accept that we're going to be getting in-line with what lots of countries have already had for years.

You can't say it should be illegal to operate slots under 96% RTP. Some games don't even have a version of the maths that goes that high, or only have one set, which might be 95.5% or something. Some small studios can't afford to offer games at 96%+ like the big boys, all depends on running costs and the markets they are in. They're not trying to become millionaires, just develop games in a crowded market and remain in business. Enforcing minimum RTPs could be the tipping point for their business becoming unviable. It would be like the Government banning the sale of milk at more than 10p a pint. All the dairy farmers would be fucked.

Showing the RTP% on the loading screen is a good idea though; saves the player having to go looking for it, and makes them fully aware of what they are going to be betting against. I like to know the price of my pint of milk when I pick it off the shelf, not find out when I'm at the till :thumbsup:
 

CasinoNinja

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We've been spoiled in the UK for a long time and RTPs of 96-97% were never going to be sustainable in the long-term. I agree that 94% is quite a drop but you can still get a perfectly good game on that RTP%. Yes, your game time will be reduced on average which means your money will not last as long as it once did, but seeing as you have to adhere to deposit limits I don't see how your going to lose more money; you'll just spend it quicker. A lot of countries have never offered anywhere near 96% RTP yet the market is still vibrant. We have to accept that we're going to be getting in-line with what lots of countries have already had for years.

You can't say it should be illegal to operate slots under 96% RTP. Some games don't even have a version of the maths that goes that high, or only have one set, which might be 95.5% or something. Some small studios can't afford to offer games at 96%+ like the big boys, all depends on running costs and the markets they are in. They're not trying to become millionaires, just develop games in a crowded market and remain in business. Enforcing minimum RTPs could be the tipping point for their business becoming unviable. It would be like the Government banning the sale of milk at more than 10p a pint. All the dairy farmers would be fucked.

Showing the RTP% on the loading screen is a good idea though; saves the player having to go looking for it, and makes them fully aware of what they are going to be betting against. I like to know the price of my pint of milk when I pick it off the shelf, not find out when I'm at the till :thumbsup:

Why is it not sustainable? If they have 4% house edge, the provider, the casino would earn that bit in the long run.
Even with administration costs, they managed before, why should they not manage it now?

Back in the days, we had slots who bragged about being on 98% Remember when Red Tiger (who are now infamously known for just low RTP jackpots slots) re-released Mystery Symbols Megaways with 98% rtp or something with a pop-up?
Gone are those days.

All I see is that they have received huge fines due to responsible gambling issues, and they want to cover their butts so they can get their bonuses. It's all greed unfortunately. If all the casinos eventually offer slots of 94% as max, I think it's the end.
 

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A 4% house edge is already very generous IMO, 6% is plain greedy.

Any figure that we pick as an enforced minimum is somewhat arbitrary but I can't see a case for needing to drop under 95% RTP. On top of that multiple maths models of exactly the same slot with no changes other than to the help file are scummy, all games should show the RTP front and centre when loading in, with a clear explanation of what it means. (i.e. something like 'This means that for every £100 staked by players, the game returns £95 to them. These are long term results over a very large number of spins etc etc yada yada.')

For the UKGC to go after autoplay before they go after RTP is entirely arse about face if the problem they say they're addressing is overspend on slots. (Which is what they do cite as one of the reasons in their report.)

I think 3Dice are a good casino to look at for things like this because they are a 'single shop' in that they run the whole show themselves, including developing their own games, so they really don't want to be pissing off their customers with their games. They could lob out games with whatever RTPs they want, but their standard is 95-96%, with quite a few in the 96.xx range and only a very small number in the 94.xx range.

And lest we forget there are still many 'full pay' Jacks Or Better video pokers out there, which has an RTP of 99.54%.
 

Reelsoffun

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Yeah if 3 dice started accepting UK players and added BTG slots they would get 1000's of new customers when we all lose auto play :( LOL
 

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You can't say it should be illegal to operate slots under 96% RTP.
I can - and I did! :p

Blackjack has a TRTP of something like 99.5%, and single-zero Roulette is 97.3% - are you telling me these games are not sustainable for casinos?
Play 0.5% HE blackjack long enough and you WILL lose all your money.

Any house edge means the casinos win in the long run (surprise, surprise!) - so if 96% were the minimum you wouldn't see casinos going bust.

KK
 

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Oh for fcks sake, saw this coming
so i cant do 100 10p spins on autoplay but i can bet £100 in a single spin and that's fine.

What would happen if a casino just said fuck it and ignored this BS and kept taking UK players and letting them use autoplay, they would no longer be UKGC 'accredited' but they are usually based in Malta so would it matter?
 
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shadow123

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Said from day one it would end in tears when the UKGC got involved with online gambling.
Just waiting for the inevitable stake limit to be introduced and operators will leave the UK market in droves.
Personally i feel sorry for the reputable casinos, they are trying to run a business and make money (thats what
businesses do) but all the regulations are not aĺlowing them to maintain their profits through the normal practices
of advertising and offering incentives to buy the product they are offering.
Must be the only business that has to actively discourage customers to spend money, reduce the quality of the product,
and demand proof you can afford it.Beyond crazy.
Think the possible end game (and maybe the plan all along) is a single state run online casino,over which the government will
have absolute control, may sound fetched but not impossible.
Pretty sure when players leave the UK market on masse (which the UKGC seems to think wont happen) they will do everything
possible to block all forms of payment from the UK to offshore casinos.
I have been lucky enough to enjoy many years of unrestricted play, had good and bad runs but its been my choice how much
i wanted to spend and where to spend it, when you had a bad run, casinos would often bung you something to soften the blow
and keep you loyal to them, now all you get for a bad run is a deposit block or KYC/SOW/AML shit.
 

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I can - and I did! :p

Blackjack has a TRTP of something like 99.5%, and single-zero Roulette is 97.3% - are you telling me these games are not sustainable for casinos?
Play 0.5% HE blackjack long enough and you WILL lose all your money.

Any house edge means the casinos win in the long run (surprise, surprise!) - so if 96% were the minimum you wouldn't see casinos going bust.

KK

Back in the day i remember playing BJ PK and many more P2P no middle man, the only time you would lose 6 PPH was the dealer Cheating or a Real hot Run from a Lucky player.

You try that Online today Never gonna happen, because it's all CONtrolled.

Real Random is taking the Risk but, today it's sadly risk free 99% of the time.
 

gonzo fonso

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im glad that ive really calmed down these days with covid its took the shine even off online gambling,yes i can have a couple of £50 deposits per week with autospin or without doesnt matter anymore because like many have said the good days are over,atm like most of us there is no social life cannot do some hobbies or pastimes so we are very limited in entertainment oh yes and i can still follow a few on youtube dunover,nickslots,slotspinner and his gf etc
 
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