Taking Legal action against Evolution gaming

[The Dude]

I really appreciate your thoughts and feelings and I can't agree more except for the opinion you shared about hosts or dealers. I feel they are equal partners in crime. They know these games are rigged but they act like they don't. Pls search for Australian crown casino videos on its debacle on youtube. This is a very good example to take lesson from. They operated in china illegally and the hosts or dealers who operated acted like they were doing a normal job but they were partner in crime. They except sympathy but I would say they are equal partners in crime.

If you are going on making these claims, you're going to have to start backing these up. This forum is for folks to get to the truth of the matter, not just to make claims without evidence.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Really?? This forum is 23 years old and has exposed its share of scams and unethical behavior, but you sign up today and know it all.

Where are the disgruntled employees who spill the beans? Show us the evidence that back up your claims.

This is not fair to react in this fashion. Opinions are opinions. I am very surprised that you are asking for evidences. The evidences which are in public domain like you tube backed up by personal experiences cannot be denied or ignored.

More than that why the top slots and multiplier wheels are digital? Why is the RNG algo not made public. If it is indeed random, disclosing the algo should not matter as it would not help anyone to predict it's outcome but will provide assurance to ppl that the RNG is fair.

Now it's your turn to reply back and provide a strong evidence or proof that these games are not rigged. The use of sensors, manipulating outcomes based on bets placed, can you deny these allegations?

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Good that this topic is still open. You're not the only person who have doubts about Evolution Gaming's fairness. The internet is full of complaints. The truth is that they can manipulate every single game they provide. They use a combo of RFID embedded cards and bots in their blackjack games enabling to know and control the cards coming and who gets them. They use a magnetic routlette ball to control / prevent outcomes during spins. Their wheel spinning games all have a brake systems that allows them to pick where the flapper stops on games like monopoly or crazy time. Even their dice games are rigged and make clever use of pre-recorded outcomes. The only way to find out because these rigged systems, is by playing it for many hours, days, weeks, years. And this is not the best forum to open a topic like this. People will defend it while having no clue.

The dealer in the video knew which cards were in the deck. I don't believe that's the case with Evolution Gaming. The dealers know nothing about the fraud at all. The system do everything. I experienced the bots in the game alot when i was playing on numerous casino's. Specially with big bets they will make you lose so you have to deposit again and again.

I can deal with the fact that a casino can determines the RPT of a slot machine. And I can deal with the fact that certain blackjack and other table games are unfair. But don't mess with live casino with real dealers! People have lost their savings because they thought they could win. But the game is anything but fair.

The only reason they have so much revenue and were able to take over these other providers is because they are the best at misleading people.

This is so true and I second your observations.
The pre-recorded video, one of your observations, is so true, is their one more means to crook people. And I know they use other means as well. But I am so disturbed that they do this so openly on a live video and get away. Players should raise complaints to regulators, why ain't they doing it? All regulators have online complaint forms. Latvian Gaming Authority, Malta Gaming Authority and Sweden Gaming Commission, all of them have it.

 

[goatwack]

I don't doubt some companies will try to maximize their profits, for when the 3-4% house edge just isn't enough. And in Evolution's case, how many players have we heard with strange tales forthcoming.

Popcorn Roulette balls that defy physics, wheel trackers that move a position out of nowhere, rubbish Blackjack dealers that clumsily bundle drawn cards back into the shoe etc...

We can all speculate what advantageous tricks Evolution use until eternity, I don't believe video proof is enough to convince the regulatory bodies of those countries, and I'm not even sure what they would acknowledge as 'proof' of rigging anyway.

So then we're sadly at the stage where if nothing can be proven, the question becomes to prove that the games are not rigged, which sounds even bloody harder than proving they're rigged!

It falls into the category of religious people trying to convince others by saying "Prove to me there is no God", or having David Icke apostles asking "Can you prove that governments aren't run by a lizard cabal??".......er no, I can't, come to think of it (dammit)

So until someone actually exposes Evolution and their wonky practices through a Kramer vs Kramer court battle of the ages, it's all just conjecture.

If that happens you'll see me cheering on the sidelines. But until that day, I'd just not play Evolution games

 

[bamberfishcake]

Not everything that comes out of Latvia is illegal, quite preposterous to suggest so.

Working from Latvia could be as simple as the low running costs, or maybe even due to an owner having a residence, the allure of the eastern Europeans in a predominantly English speaking industry etc etc. there are literally hundreds of possible reasons.

Evolution made tons from Live Casino which enabled them to start buying up other companies, simple as that.

Still waiting on evidence, otherwise, I think this debate has reached its potential.

I strongly disagree this is not the best forum to provide such evidence. Many members on here who don't just defend. CM has a good mix of industry and average Jo's. I would personally help any investigation, as would many other members I believe.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

I can suggest that someone if possible raise a public petition for signing and let's promote it in public space and let's see who are the victims affected and I am sure this will help the greater community and compel the regulators to inspect the evolution's gimmicks in more detail.

 

[The Dude]

This is not fair to react in this fashion. Opinions are opinions. I am very surprised that you are asking for evidences. The evidences which are in public domain like you tube backed up by personal experiences cannot be denied or ignored.

Life is not fair. And my main concern is the integrity of this forum. This forum is one of the most powerful tools gamblers have to get things done in this industry. Like I said, I have run this site for 23 years, and there are loads of changes this industry has made because of some of the topics raised and issues dealt with here.

In my opinion, there is a tea kettle orbiting Jupiter's moon, Europa. That doesn't mean it's true. So far, you are speculating. Youtube doesn't mean doo doo. Anyone can post anything there. Just sayin'.

So yes, there needs to be hard evidence - one of the best types of evidence are in house whistle blowers who are willing to testify under oath with facts presented under a deposition. So there ya go.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Ok I think I get you and I hope every casino player reads your message and I am sure your message will be a wake up call for them as I can say this will make them responsible player even more considering the evidences are all subjective including the ones which are captured from real games in youtube. I just hope authorities become more responsible in their acts considering they are holding public positions and they are paid by public.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Life is not fair. And my main concern is the integrity of this forum. This forum is one of the most powerful tools gamblers have to get things done in this industry. Like I said, I have run this site for 23 years, and there are loads of changes this industry has made because of some of the topics raised and issues dealt with here.

In my opinion, there is a tea kettle orbiting Jupiter's moon, Europa. That doesn't mean it's true. So far, you are speculating. Youtube doesn't mean doo doo. Anyone can post anything there. Just sayin'.

So yes, there needs to be hard evidence - one of the best types of evidence are in house whistle blowers who are willing to testify under oath with facts presented under a deposition. So there ya go.

Btw, didn't I mention that I made one of the host dealers on megaball by the name Dita (the slimmer and taller host) confess to the rigging. Just to help you, I logged into another casino with different username and quizzed this lady. It was kind of a trap to let her reveal the secret and there she was acknowledging the crime that it was indeed a moment of butchering. Till this time I was in a good shape just becz of one big win and it happen to me very mistakenly or unexpectedly. But the day of butchering arrived when I started betting high. I trusted the game which was my mistake and I kept on getting 5x but to no avail I kept on loosing and all in a streak. This lady knew it all it was all done intentionally by the house, i.e. rigged.
Also, when I had that big win, the next day they tweaked the game a bit. The 1 card pickup time got increased. In other words, earlier I could have picked more cards using 1 card option then I was later. I was using it to randomize my cards and now it was not proving to work int he same fashion. The change is still in existence today.


These are very strong evidences. I am just trying to help innocent players who would think they will be able to beat the house. But they simply can't and will not.

 

[cncas2123]

Btw, didn't I mention that I made one of the host dealers on megaball by the name Dita (the slimmer and taller host) confess to the rigging. Just to help you, I logged into another casino with different username and quizzed this lady. It was kind of a trap to let her reveal the secret and there she was acknowledging the crime that it was indeed a moment of butchering. Till this time I was in a good shape just becz of one big win and it happen to me very mistakenly or unexpectedly. But the day of butchering arrived when I started betting high. I trusted the game which was my mistake and I kept on getting 5x but to no avail I kept on loosing and all in a streak. This lady knew it all it was all done intentionally by the house, i.e. rigged.
Also, when I had that big win, the next day they tweaked the game a bit. The 1 card pickup time got increased. In other words, earlier I could have picked more cards using 1 card option then I was later. I was using it to randomize my cards and now it was not proving to work int he same fashion. The change is still in existence today.


These are very strong evidences. I am just trying to help innocent players who would think they will be able to beat the house. But they simply can't and will not.

And no doubt you recorded this confession?

 

[Rogier]

It seems to me that the dealer pulled this trick because he knew which cards were in the deck. Of course I have no proof for that, those are my thoughts. It's so easy to manipulate in blackjack when you know what cards are in the deck. A good example of this is 'Poker Analyzer' (see youtube) this device can read exactly which cards are in the deck and can indicate in advance which player will win before the cards are dealt. If you and I can buy such equipment, how advanced could those online casinos be? I am pretty sure that dealers at Evolution Gaming might have a feeling things are not right, but they are not being told. The computer knows which cards are in the deck, not the dealers. The live casino with the cheating dealer we see in the video looks very unprofesional to me, nothing like Evolution gaming which have over 7000 exployees and a revenue of over $600 million. I think programmers and the people on the board are the only ones who know about the practices.

Unfortunately there is no concrete evidence, and you will only notice the cheating if you play for a long time and deposit a lot. It is really easy to notice. If everyone record their gameplay and post it on Youtube, it would be so obvious that bots play an important role in manipulating game rounds. I've seen the craziest things and it happened again and again. Let me add that it is a lesser known casino where I have played the games of Evolution for years. Maybe it's less bad on Pokerstars?

Example of what a random table looks like:
You play a number of rounds of low bets with 1 other player on a table, this player uses 2 seats. Then you place an unexpected high bet and if you lose it you almost have to deposit again. Now a few things can happen if they want you to lose.
- Nothing happens because the dealer is already going to win
- 1 or 2 more players join the table
- the player who used 2 seats in the last 10 rounds will now suddenly play with 1 seat or leave the table completely.
- the player who uses 2 seats (seat 1 and 2) suddenly moves from seat 1 to seat 5.

All ways ensure that the house eventually wins or at least has the best chance of winning. It may sound crazy what I said above but I'm not saying this after a night of losing or something. I have years of personal experience with Evolution Gaming blackjack and with the online gambling world itself. I have the feeling that things are not right

Thanks for the opportunity to give my opinion. Unfortunately, they are not facts but only experiences and thoughts.

 

[neon claws]

This is not fair to react in this fashion. Opinions are opinions. I am very surprised that you are asking for evidences.

This is the distilled thought pattern behind all these threads, the same with everyone spreading misinformation online; "I can make these wild allegations without evidence because it's just an opinion, ask me for evidence and I'll put the onus of disproving my insanity back on you"

And when you try to honestly engage by asking exactly what they're accusations are you'll get five paragraphs of incoherent nonsense about getting a live chat agent to admit the games are rigged, which makes no sense (because of course the evil corporation would tell their front line low paid support workers that the games are rigged), and a link to a YouTube video where a ball bounces a bit funny..

It's like my friend who is sadly prone to the same conspiracy theory brain (smokes too much pot and thinks he's smarter than he actually is)- proposes the government are gassing us with chemtrails, so you tell him about contrails, water vapor etc, ask to see where the engineering details of these secret gas pods are, who is refilling them at the airport? literally any evidence at all? Nope. But it NEVER persuades them, they will never change their mind,I believe they may actually be incapable of it.

Another example is he said covid-19 wasn't actually killing anyone and any deaths reported are misattributed. So you tell him about comorbidity, show him the rolling annual average deaths per year from all causes and how, compared to the fairly unchanging last decade there's been a huge increase coinciding with and in perfect lock step with the reported COVID-19 deaths, nope doesn't believe it, but he'll believe some random moron on YouTube/Facebook who supports his "opinions".

How about climate change, I ask him, it's not caused by mankind he says, the planet regularly cools and warms.
Ok yes it does but it should be in a cooling period now, not warming, and how about this graph showing thousands of years of atmospheric Co2 which matches up exactly with average surface temperature and naturally increases exponentially during the industrial revolution?

He shrugs his shoulders and says "that's your opinion"

It's hard to be friends with people like that because it's like arguing with a brick wall, I'd be lying if I said I just don't care anymore- it honestly worries me a lot that this is the state of the world these days; any evidence contrary to your preformed beliefs is just an opinion or fake news.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Lol...I can't deny you are a good writer and persuader. But truth always prevail remember that. Many of my questions are still not being answered and talking about evidences, ppl like you are not accepting on what is being already provided. For that matter, you are just shrugging it off. That's not right. Remember courts are always consumer friendly. They have to be, considering they are always or mostly the victims. Yesterday, I learnt a bit about sweden and it was very surprising to know that this country being so conservenist which includes alcohol but they openly promote gambling and the gambling commission aims to be the global leader. Also I heard about scams happening even at the street level gambling sites especially with tourists. I heard it's an open scam situation there, means all swedish people are aware. No wonder Evolution Gaming comes from Sweden.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Lol...I can't deny you are a good writer and persuader. But truth always prevail remember that. Many of my questions are still not being answered and talking about evidences, ppl like you are not accepting on what is being already provided. For that matter, you are just shrugging it off. That's not right. Remember courts are always consumer friendly. They have to be, considering they are always or mostly the victims. Yesterday, I learnt a bit about sweden and it was very surprising to know that this country being so conservenist which includes alcohol but they openly promote gambling and the gambling commission aims to be the global leader. Also I heard about scams happening even at the street level gambling sites especially with tourists. I heard it's an open scam situation there, means all swedish people are aware. No wonder Evolution Gaming comes from Sweden.

So I lost all my hopes that sweden would do anything about it. I am just here to warn people of being looted by these big scamsters.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

So I lost all my hopes that sweden would do anything about it. I am just here to warn people of being looted by these big scamsters.

No you are just hear spreading fake conspiracies due to the fact no doubt you lost a lot of $$ on there games .

 

[LuckyMe2021]

No you are just hear spreading fake conspiracies due to the fact no doubt you lost a lot of $$ on there games .

I know what's happening here. Few ppl like you want these casino companies to continue mint money through unethical means and no doubt ppl like you willl try to do everything to protect them and keep ignoring and defuncing the facts raised by ppl like them who are witnessing these unfair practices. I will now stop posting any comments. I think I did enough to prove these scams do exists. I again to to warm innocent ppl...play carefully and responsibly.

 

[The Dude]

I know what's happening here. Few ppl like you want these casino companies to continue mint money through unethical means and no doubt ppl like you willl try to do everything to protect them and keep ignoring and defuncing the facts raised by ppl like them who are witnessing these unfair practices. I will now stop posting any comments. I think I did enough to prove these scams do exists. I again to to warm innocent ppl...play carefully and responsibly.

Ad hominem - attack the person and not the idea. "People like you..." What the heck is that supposed to mean?? Watch out for Escjamie!!

 

[LuckyMe2021]

I am still failing to understand how some people are easily able to conclude that the live casino operators are not rigging...and the fact is I have seen it from own eyes and experienced it over period of 4 months that these operators are rigging openly.

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

 

[neon claws]

I am still failing to understand how some people are easily able to conclude that the live casino operators are not rigging...and the fact is I have seen it from own eyes and experienced it over period of 4 months that these operators are rigging openly.

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

I'm pretty sure escjamie is on your side and was being sarcastic.
But yes, it's right out of the conspiracy theorists playbook to accuse anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them as being an employee of the casinos, and they're always just as sure of that as they are about everything else.

I have no love lost for casinos, and would never work for one or defend one against the many, MANY justifiable attacks one could level at them, but I no longer have any patience for willfully ignorant people either.

Oh and the old "I won't be posting here any longer" is also par for the course with these threads, you need to convince yourself you've won the argument somehow I suppose, the same way you need to convince yourself that it wasn't your fault that you lost all your money.

 

[The Dude]

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

That's probably the stupidest thing I've read all day. And this underscores your inability to do proper research. This is my forum - I am the "operator", and I am about as transparent as you can get:

About Casinomeister

No one here is really disagreeing with you. You are just making claims without solid proof. Because you think something is true doesn't mean it is true.

 

[Mark_BGO]

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

I’ve worked in the industry for 18 years and known Bryan (Casinomeister) for a large number of them. I’m now CEO for a smaller operator. I can assure you that this forum is 100% independent and not run by anyone on the operators side!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is the distilled thought pattern behind all these threads, the same with everyone spreading misinformation online; "I can make these wild allegations without evidence because it's just an opinion, ask me for evidence and I'll put the onus of disproving my insanity back on you"

And when you try to honestly engage by asking exactly what they're accusations are you'll get five paragraphs of incoherent nonsense about getting a live chat agent to admit the games are rigged, which makes no sense (because of course the evil corporation would tell their front line low paid support workers that the games are rigged), and a link to a YouTube video where a ball bounces a bit funny..

It's like my friend who is sadly prone to the same conspiracy theory brain (smokes too much pot and thinks he's smarter than he actually is)- proposes the government are gassing us with chemtrails, so you tell him about contrails, water vapor etc, ask to see where the engineering details of these secret gas pods are, who is refilling them at the airport? literally any evidence at all? Nope. But it NEVER persuades them, they will never change their mind,I believe they may actually be incapable of it.

Another example is he said covid-19 wasn't actually killing anyone and any deaths reported are misattributed. So you tell him about comorbidity, show him the rolling annual average deaths per year from all causes and how, compared to the fairly unchanging last decade there's been a huge increase coinciding with and in perfect lock step with the reported COVID-19 deaths, nope doesn't believe it, but he'll believe some random moron on YouTube/Facebook who supports his "opinions".

How about climate change, I ask him, it's not caused by mankind he says, the planet regularly cools and warms.
Ok yes it does but it should be in a cooling period now, not warming, and how about this graph showing thousands of years of atmospheric Co2 which matches up exactly with average surface temperature and naturally increases exponentially during the industrial revolution?

He shrugs his shoulders and says "that's your opinion"

It's hard to be friends with people like that because it's like arguing with a brick wall, I'd be lying if I said I just don't care anymore- it honestly worries me a lot that this is the state of the world these days; any evidence contrary to your preformed beliefs is just an opinion or fake news.

'Just my opinion' does a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to pure nonsense.

Opinion is fine for some things, such as, 'The Fillet-O-Fish is the finest dining experience at McDonald's' would be a controversial take, but hey, it's still a valid opinion.

It's when we get into the realms of people standing waist deep in a lake whilst saying, 'My legs and feet aren't wet, just my opinion', that it gets stretched well beyond breaking point.

Sometimes it's possible to simply be wrong, and adding, 'just my opinion' to the end doesn't make it any less wrong.

 

[JohnSnow]

Not everything that comes out of Latvia is illegal, quite preposterous to suggest so.

Working from Latvia could be as simple as the low running costs, or maybe even due to an owner having a residence, the allure of the eastern Europeans in a predominantly English speaking industry etc etc. there are literally hundreds of possible reasons.

Evolution made tons from Live Casino which enabled them to start buying up other companies, simple as that.

Still waiting on evidence, otherwise, I think this debate has reached its potential.

I strongly disagree this is not the best forum to provide such evidence. Many members on here who don't just defend. CM has a good mix of industry and average Jo's. I would personally help any investigation, as would many other members I believe.

Working in Latvia is only because of the cost. I know Dutch dealers who worked in Latvia for international gambling companies.

 

[thr0b]

The thing with all these threads, the biggest unanswered question:-

If you're so convinced the game is rigged, you've got so much evidence to prove it...why the FUCK do you keep putting money in? Are you stupid?

 

[spurs1882]

I could easily believe that Evolution have rigged games in the past and have seen very compelling video evidence that is very difficult to defend. If there was a class legal action I would definitely join as I have lost a six figure sum on their games, often with highly unlikely sequences of results that happened far more often than would be expected through chance.

But unfortunately the person making accusations in this thread doesn't seem credible.

 

[goatwack]

Not really sure how Covid and Climate Change got brought into this, given that they're ongoing, highly- debated and contested by 'experts' from both sides. Again, most people won't know the 'complete, objective' truth in regards to either.

What tends to happen on most topics is that people will gather snippets of information and disregard what they deem irrelevant. Then coupled with personal experience form 'an opinion'. Note how this may not align with others' about 90% of the time.

Not sure what draws the ire of certain individuals to instantly jump to the casinos' or companies' defence when hundreds of players' experiences echo the same sentiment with Evolution, and that they're somehow above reproach.

Throwing rigged out into the public domain is rather blunt, but the questioning of companies' 'dubious' antics is somehow frowned upon, even when the company in question is mentioned countless times in the same context!

But as I said before. throwing good money after bad won't exactly help matters, other than to swell Evolution's coffers that little bit more.

Just my opinion

 

[The Dude]

I could easily believe that Evolution have rigged games in the past and have seen very compelling video evidence that is very difficult to defend. If there was a class legal action I would definitely join as I have lost a six figure sum on their games, often with highly unlikely sequences of results that happened far more often than would be expected through chance.

But unfortunately the person making accusations in this thread doesn't seem credible.

Not sure what draws the ire of certain individuals to instantly jump to the casinos' or companies' defence when hundreds of players' experiences echo the same sentiment with Evolution, and that they're somehow above reproach.

As I mentioned before - besides getting facts straight, my main concern is the integrity of the forum. It would not be the first time that a software or casino competitor tried to trash talk a casino or software company. I am not saying that this is the case here, but I am aware that this happens. Thus I ask people to put up or shut up.

 

[neon claws]

Not really sure how Covid and Climate Change got brought into this, given that they're ongoing, highly- debated and contested by 'experts' from both sides. Again, most people won't know the 'complete, objective' truth in regards to either.

What tends to happen on most topics is that people will gather snippets of information and disregard what they deem irrelevant. Then coupled with personal experience form 'an opinion'. Note how this may not align with others' about 90% of the time.

Not sure what draws the ire of certain individuals to instantly jump to the casinos' or companies' defence when hundreds of players' experiences echo the same sentiment with Evolution, and that they're somehow above reproach.

Throwing rigged out into the public domain is rather blunt, but the questioning of companies' 'dubious' antics is somehow frowned upon, even when the company in question is mentioned countless times in the same context!

But as I said before. throwing good money after bad won't exactly help matters, other than to swell Evolution's coffers that little bit more.

Just my opinion

"Nearly all actively publishing climate scientists (97–98%) support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change, and the remaining 2% of contrarian studies either cannot be replicated or contain errors. A 2019 study found scientific consensus to be at 100%."

It was thrown in under the exact guise I stated it as; being the same argument strategy used by various conspiracy theorists. Because there is "debate" does not mean something is unproven or worthy of debate, just that there are, and always will be contrarions and people with agendas.

If your view doesn't align with other people's over 90% of the time it may be time to start considering you could just be wrong.

 

[goatwack]

"Nearly all actively publishing climate scientists (97–98%) support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change, and the remaining 2% of contrarian studies either cannot be replicated or contain errors. A 2019 study found scientific consensus to be at 100%."

It was thrown in under the exact guise I stated it as; being the same argument strategy used by various conspiracy theorists. Because there is "debate" does not mean something is unproven or worthy of debate, just that there are, and always will be contrarions and people with agendas.

If your view doesn't align with other people's over 90% of the time it may be time to start considering you could just be wrong.

I was stating that people choose to believe whatever they deem credible evidence, and was stating that it gets intertwined with their own unique experience so that they end up forming an opinion on the matter.

The percentage was a hasty example, but I don't doubt you believe that I do indeed disagree with others 90% of the time.

I don't claim to be a world- leading expert on every topic, but then I don't go all-out like your stoned friend either, and am quite capable of changing my mind on any given subject. I just fail to see how asking questions contrary to some is so quickly lampooned, it makes me question those people's agendas also.

After all, it wasn't terribly long ago that the common belief was that the Earth was flat as a pancake, and contrarians were soundly mocked and persecuted. Just as well we've come full-circle then (pun intended) and we're back to some believing the Earth is flat, once more!

 

[blissgxng]

Most of my withdrawals come with help from evolution to be completely honest. My 5k withdrawal from unibet in August came from mega ball hit. There is serious money won and serious money lost. There is obvs some manipulation but in my mind them and playtech live games are best way to get nice withdrawals 1000+

 

[thr0b]

Most of my withdrawals come with help from evolution to be completely honest. My 5k withdrawal from unibet in August came from mega ball hit. There is serious money won and serious money lost. There is obvs some manipulation but in my mind them and playtech live games are best way to get nice withdrawals 1000+

And this is the thing - there is no reason at all to "rig" the games, as they make huge amounts of money whatever happens. Rigging is immediately less likely because to be caught out doing so would almost certainly lead to massive fines, and possibly the loss of access to the extremely profitable regulated markets.

In essence - no reason to rig (as the game is in their favour by default), every reason not to rig.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And this is the thing - there is no reason at all to "rig" the games, as they make huge amounts of money whatever happens. Rigging is immediately less likely because to be caught out doing so would almost certainly lead to massive fines, and possibly the loss of access to the extremely profitable regulated markets.

In essence - no reason to rig (as the game is in their favour by default), every reason not to rig.

This remains the core of the issue to me, and always has been. When you're running random games with a house edge no rigging is required, just do the numbers right and maths will do the rest.

I've always said in these debates, if you think a game or a provider or a casino is bent, then stop playing the flipping games. If you think Bonanza is compensated, then you really should stop playing Bonanza.

It'd be harder to rig these games than it would be not to rig them, and rigging comes with the risk of getting caught, for no advantage whatsoever since the games are already making a profit just by existing on the maths models they're built on.

 

[ShadyFei]

Hey Everybody!

I have the solution. If you believe, in your soul of souls, that Evolution is rigging their games, STOP PLAYING THEM. There. Problem solved. Case closed.

If you continue to deposit and play Evolution games, all the while believing you are being scammed out of all your money, what does that say about you? You might want to have an introspective "tough-love" chat with yourself. ?

 

[neon claws]

To the last few posts, asking why anyone would rig an already rigged game, or rather why anyone would believe they would, I suggest a lot of the reason people think they "rig" the games is because of a mistaken understanding of RTP and maths in general.

The conspiracy theorists think that if the casino rig a purported 96% RTP game to only pay 90% they've made an extra 6% profit.

This obviously (to most) is not correct as it just means you'll lose all your money a little bit faster than you would have anyway, which would actually lead to greater player dissatisfaction and lower overall retention/less profit for the casino.

Unfortunately all this doesn't matter because we're not having a rational discussion here, so I don't know why I even bothered writing this again, for the hundredth time.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Hello,

Thank you for your message and information.

Evolution Gaming as you mention has no Swedish gaming license and Evolution Gaming Group AB can not get a license in Sweden as it looks today as they are not a gaming company. They are a gaming provider company that makes games that later gaming companies through agreements use in their platform.

The Swedish Gaming Inspectorate receives tips from the public that can be used as a basis for supervision. In order for the Swedish Gaming Inspectorate to be able to supervise an unlicensed gaming company in Sweden that targets Swedish players, the gaming company must have the website in Swedish, Swedish currency, Swedish customer service or send marketing in Swedish. It is an assessment question whether a gaming company is targeting Sweden. The Swedish Gaming Inspectorate does not investigate individual cases but looks at the matter in a larger context.

The Swedish Gaming Inspectorate exercises its supervision under the Gaming Act (2018: 1138) and over those who have been granted a license in accordance with it. Playing with a gaming company that is not licensed in Sweden can mean that it can be difficult to get help from Swedish authorities if you end up in a dispute with an unlicensed gaming company as Swedish law only applies in Sweden.

At the following link you can see which gaming companies and websites are licensed to conduct games in Sweden:
spelinspektionen.se/spellicenser

In conclusion, I would also like to mention that the Swedish Gaming Inspectorate does not try any disputes between players and gaming companies. This means, for example. that we can not help individual players to get their winnings or the like. You can instead turn to the General Complaints Board (ARN) arn.se, which can try disputes concerning games or lotteries.

Sincerely
Swedish Gaming Inspectorate

 

[trees]

100% rigged is evolution and i can give u some examples where no evidence is needed.

the live casinos especially all the casinos where afraid in the past playing with a bonus.
and now they offer sudden all live casino bonusses.
and where u can start bets low as 0.10 cents
ppl can win money with black and red in past.
now u cant becos their cheating machine will prevent of u winning it.
i have played so long live dealer roulette with them.
when u cover more numbers u will lose faster.
i have covered allways many numbers. and sometimes by accident leave one number open.
and the ball lands there.
and it hasnt been once no it been hundreds times i have come across.
everytime i ask my self how the fck is that possible.!!

 

[Mark_BGO]

i have covered allways many numbers. and sometimes by accident leave one number open.
and the ball lands there.
and it hasnt been once no it been hundreds times i have come across.
everytime i ask my self how the fck is that possible.!!

Hook. Line. Sinker. Case closed. We have all the evidence right here. Who knew!

 

[neon claws]

no evidence is needed.

Yeah you never want to let things like evidence get in the way of your opinion do ya.

You could be the hero that uncovered the sinister corruption within the online gambling world with just a couple of hours work, a screen recorder and some basic statistical analysis.
But no, you're content to just wallow in your own ignorant delusions to avoid proportioning any blame for your losses to yourself.
Who would bet on every single number but one, ever, let alone hundreds of times, despite that number magically landing each time. And you further propose this is targeted at you personally, or is everyone else playing also getting a custom tailored rigged experience whereby their single uncovered number is the only one that lands? If so then you could easily prove that by showing different players getting different results.

edit: removed offensive language

 

[LuckyMe2021]

100% rigged is evolution and i can give u some examples where no evidence is needed.

the live casinos especially all the casinos where afraid in the past playing with a bonus.
and now they offer sudden all live casino bonusses.
and where u can start bets low as 0.10 cents
ppl can win money with black and red in past.
now u cant becos their cheating machine will prevent of u winning it.
i have played so long live dealer roulette with them.
when u cover more numbers u will lose faster.
i have covered allways many numbers. and sometimes by accident leave one number open.
and the ball lands there.
and it hasnt been once no it been hundreds times i have come across.
everytime i ask my self how the fck is that possible.!!

I can feel the pain just as you mentioned.
These games reveal so much and so open but what wonders me is the defiance from some agents. Good thing is that the more people are ignorant makes me more assured of these riggers. This also means the players shdnt trust them.

 

[cncas2123]

I can feel the pain just as you mentioned.
These games reveal so much and so open but what wonders me is the defiance from some agents. Good thing is that the more people are ignorant makes me more assured of these riggers. This also means the players shdnt trust them.

But this is the thing, you haven’t provided 1 shred of evidence as to what the rigging is.
And nobody ever has or will force you to play the games.
The only issue here is pure greed, you expect to win every time you play even though you play games that are always going to have a house edge.

 

[mack341]

Do these gameshow wheels have an rtp? Have roulette wheels never been rigged, they have a house edge.

I am not saying the wheels are rigged, my position is 'I don't know, I hope not, but cannot rule out 100% there is no manipulation'

We had scammy fruit machines in the uk for decades, those that knew the tricks could make a small fortune, there were never any whistleblowers afaik, different type of situation but there was a still a trusting public oblivious to the real reality. If online forums had been a thing in the 80s, detractors then would have said show me the evidence, the govt test the machines etc...

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Pls go through my posts again. If you are ignoring the facts I have shared I can't help.

One more evidence.

You have 51 balls in mega Ball and out of that only 10 balls are white ball.

Now if out of 20 balls picked more than 6-7 balls are white balls is definitely not rigging, if it's one or 2 times. What rigging is when you see this happening continuously not for 1 hour or 1 day but everyday consecutively.

Not just that majority of the time megaball is a white ball. Please note white balls work in favour of the house and completely voids the 6 lines possibility. Also majority are loosers.

Now I know you will come back saying probability is some idiots invention or I am making things out here which is untrue. Lol. Man stop supporting so much these casino burglars, they making this world a place of frustration, dejection and cheaters. The more you support now it makes even more evident of the role you are playing in the society. These facts canot be ignored.

These facta are more than needed to be evidence because they are visible and anyone with sound mind will think, how it's possibile? This doesn't look like a random case.

My question on digital wheel for multipliers and top slots is still not answered? anybody has an answer to it?

 

[LuckyMe2021]

The thing with all these threads, the biggest unanswered question:-

If you're so convinced the game is rigged, you've got so much evidence to prove it...why the FUCK do you keep putting money in? Are you stupid?

I have stopped already. Why I am writing then? This is a menace to society and shd be stopped becz eventually it will reach me in future in some or the other form.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

That's probably the stupidest thing I've read all day. And this underscores your inability to do proper research. This is my forum - I am the "operator", and I am about as transparent as you can get:

About Casinomeister

No one here is really disagreeing with you. You are just making claims without solid proof. Because you think something is true doesn't mean it is true.

I dunno what constitutes a solid proof from all respected judges? Let's say you are playing 100 rounds of roulette and each time it lands on number 1. Now will you not immediately flag this game as rigged or will you still have a question of doubt and you just accept that this just was your unlucky day. I am using 100 as hypothetical figure but what is that figure from when you will start questioning the authenticity of the game is the question. Megaball has given all those evidences not once but several times and that's were the suspicion goes even higher. I know for some these are not facts and just the odds but how come not suspect. Aren't this indication of rigging then what is? Some authorities should raid their premises, confisticate their equipments and then do the thorough inspection. That's when scam will be busted and I am sure they will be caught. In fact I would also recommend to have a govt official present physically watching the game taking place. This will eliminate the videography angle completely.

Guys I need support on these ideas. These ideas are not against the house. Infact it's about bringing a fair play. That is what the world expects to have game of chance play.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

But this is the thing, you haven’t provided 1 shred of evidence as to what the rigging is.
And nobody ever has or will force you to play the games.
The only issue here is pure greed, you expect to win every time you play even though you play games that are always going to have a house edge.

No man, that's not right. Whoever plays these games are playing for winning. One shd not correlate it with greed. Greed is when you are winning and winning and you expect even more to win. What I am referring is the way the losses are being made. It's defying the game of chance and theory of probability. As I said this is so open and frequent that I am failing to understand why are they getting so much support.

How can we even ignore in the modern technologically advanced world that the games cannot use AI to manipulate the outcome based on the data points available before starting the game, i.e. who is betting on what and how much. These are online games and completely automated. C'mon need more support for me for highlighting all these loop holes.

 

[mack341]

Off-topic slightly but interesting story to show odd, freak things can happen in regulated lotto games:

In a surprise worthy of Derren Brown, the same six winning numbers have been drawn twice in a row in Bulgaria's national lottery.

The country's government ordered an investigation after the numbers 4, 15, 23, 24, 35 and 42 were selected, in a different order, live on television on September 6 and 10.

However police found no evidence of wrongdoing.

Bulgaria's Sports Minister Svilen Neykov has now launched a probe into the draws, which were done by machine, on September 6 and 10.

Investigators are due to report back by the end of the week.

Mathematician Mihail Konstantinov said that the probability of this happening is about 4.2 million to one.

He did, however, add that such coincidences can happen.

Although no-one won the September 6 draw, an unprecedented 18 people got all six numbers on September 10.

 

[cncas2123]

No man, that's not right. Whoever plays these games are playing for winning. One shd not correlate it with greed. Greed is when you are winning and winning and you expect even more to win. What I am referring is the way the losses are being made. It's defying the game of chance and theory of probability. As I said this is so open and frequent that I am failing to understand why are they getting so much support.

How can we even ignore in the modern technologically advanced world that the games cannot use AI to manipulate the outcome based on the data points available before starting the game, i.e. who is betting on what and how much. These are online games and completely automated. C'mon need more support for me for highlighting all these loop holes.

Just show the evidence, thats all I am asking you to do, it shouldnt be that hard as you will have all the game logs that show were you were cheated, it will show that what happened to you wasnt just pure chance.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Off-topic slightly but interesting story to show odd, freak things can happen in regulated lotto games:

In a surprise worthy of Derren Brown, the same six winning numbers have been drawn twice in a row in Bulgaria's national lottery.

The country's government ordered an investigation after the numbers 4, 15, 23, 24, 35 and 42 were selected, in a different order, live on television on September 6 and 10.

However police found no evidence of wrongdoing.

Bulgaria's Sports Minister Svilen Neykov has now launched a probe into the draws, which were done by machine, on September 6 and 10.

Investigators are due to report back by the end of the week.

Mathematician Mihail Konstantinov said that the probability of this happening is about 4.2 million to one.

He did, however, add that such coincidences can happen.

Although no-one won the September 6 draw, an unprecedented 18 people got all six numbers on September 10.

Glad to see that the investigation took place. I am sure if this happen with Evolution Gaming they will be caught but obviously it shdnt be staged.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Just show the evidence, thats all I am asking you to do, it shouldnt be that hard as you will have all the game logs that show were you were cheated, it will show that what happened to you wasnt just pure chance.

Still you are not understanding. I want to bust these burglars by warning players to be safe. These games cannot be trusted. The potential in these games is so high but not realisable on account of rigging. Ppl can easily be fooled to play and loose very big.

 

[cncas2123]

Still you are not understanding. I want to bust these burglars by warning players to be safe. These games cannot be trusted. The potential in these games is so high but not realisable on account of rigging. Ppl can easily be fooled to play and loose very big.

I am understanding, I am just asking you to post your evidence.
So if you arent going to post any evidence does that mean you dont have any and this is just all supposition?