Taking Legal action against Evolution gaming

[Casinomeister]

I really appreciate your thoughts and feelings and I can't agree more except for the opinion you shared about hosts or dealers. I feel they are equal partners in crime. They know these games are rigged but they act like they don't. Pls search for Australian crown casino videos on its debacle on youtube. This is a very good example to take lesson from. They operated in china illegally and the hosts or dealers who operated acted like they were doing a normal job but they were partner in crime. They except sympathy but I would say they are equal partners in crime.

If you are going on making these claims, you're going to have to start backing these up. This forum is for folks to get to the truth of the matter, not just to make claims without evidence.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Really?? This forum is 23 years old and has exposed its share of scams and unethical behavior, but you sign up today and know it all.

Where are the disgruntled employees who spill the beans? Show us the evidence that back up your claims.

This is not fair to react in this fashion. Opinions are opinions. I am very surprised that you are asking for evidences. The evidences which are in public domain like you tube backed up by personal experiences cannot be denied or ignored.

More than that why the top slots and multiplier wheels are digital? Why is the RNG algo not made public. If it is indeed random, disclosing the algo should not matter as it would not help anyone to predict it's outcome but will provide assurance to ppl that the RNG is fair.

Now it's your turn to reply back and provide a strong evidence or proof that these games are not rigged. The use of sensors, manipulating outcomes based on bets placed, can you deny these allegations?

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Good that this topic is still open. You're not the only person who have doubts about Evolution Gaming's fairness. The internet is full of complaints. The truth is that they can manipulate every single game they provide. They use a combo of RFID embedded cards and bots in their blackjack games enabling to know and control the cards coming and who gets them. They use a magnetic routlette ball to control / prevent outcomes during spins. Their wheel spinning games all have a brake systems that allows them to pick where the flapper stops on games like monopoly or crazy time. Even their dice games are rigged and make clever use of pre-recorded outcomes. The only way to find out because these rigged systems, is by playing it for many hours, days, weeks, years. And this is not the best forum to open a topic like this. People will defend it while having no clue.

The dealer in the video knew which cards were in the deck. I don't believe that's the case with Evolution Gaming. The dealers know nothing about the fraud at all. The system do everything. I experienced the bots in the game alot when i was playing on numerous casino's. Specially with big bets they will make you lose so you have to deposit again and again.

I can deal with the fact that a casino can determines the RPT of a slot machine. And I can deal with the fact that certain blackjack and other table games are unfair. But don't mess with live casino with real dealers! People have lost their savings because they thought they could win. But the game is anything but fair.

The only reason they have so much revenue and were able to take over these other providers is because they are the best at misleading people.

This is so true and I second your observations.
The pre-recorded video, one of your observations, is so true, is their one more means to crook people. And I know they use other means as well. But I am so disturbed that they do this so openly on a live video and get away. Players should raise complaints to regulators, why ain't they doing it? All regulators have online complaint forms. Latvian Gaming Authority, Malta Gaming Authority and Sweden Gaming Commission, all of them have it.

 

[goatwack]

I don't doubt some companies will try to maximize their profits, for when the 3-4% house edge just isn't enough. And in Evolution's case, how many players have we heard with strange tales forthcoming.

Popcorn Roulette balls that defy physics, wheel trackers that move a position out of nowhere, rubbish Blackjack dealers that clumsily bundle drawn cards back into the shoe etc...

We can all speculate what advantageous tricks Evolution use until eternity, I don't believe video proof is enough to convince the regulatory bodies of those countries, and I'm not even sure what they would acknowledge as 'proof' of rigging anyway.

So then we're sadly at the stage where if nothing can be proven, the question becomes to prove that the games are not rigged, which sounds even bloody harder than proving they're rigged!

It falls into the category of religious people trying to convince others by saying "Prove to me there is no God", or having David Icke apostles asking "Can you prove that governments aren't run by a lizard cabal??".......er no, I can't, come to think of it (dammit)

So until someone actually exposes Evolution and their wonky practices through a Kramer vs Kramer court battle of the ages, it's all just conjecture.

If that happens you'll see me cheering on the sidelines. But until that day, I'd just not play Evolution games

 

[bamberfishcake]

Not everything that comes out of Latvia is illegal, quite preposterous to suggest so.

Working from Latvia could be as simple as the low running costs, or maybe even due to an owner having a residence, the allure of the eastern Europeans in a predominantly English speaking industry etc etc. there are literally hundreds of possible reasons.

Evolution made tons from Live Casino which enabled them to start buying up other companies, simple as that.

Still waiting on evidence, otherwise, I think this debate has reached its potential.

I strongly disagree this is not the best forum to provide such evidence. Many members on here who don't just defend. CM has a good mix of industry and average Jo's. I would personally help any investigation, as would many other members I believe.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

I can suggest that someone if possible raise a public petition for signing and let's promote it in public space and let's see who are the victims affected and I am sure this will help the greater community and compel the regulators to inspect the evolution's gimmicks in more detail.

 

[Casinomeister]

This is not fair to react in this fashion. Opinions are opinions. I am very surprised that you are asking for evidences. The evidences which are in public domain like you tube backed up by personal experiences cannot be denied or ignored.

Life is not fair. And my main concern is the integrity of this forum. This forum is one of the most powerful tools gamblers have to get things done in this industry. Like I said, I have run this site for 23 years, and there are loads of changes this industry has made because of some of the topics raised and issues dealt with here.

In my opinion, there is a tea kettle orbiting Jupiter's moon, Europa. That doesn't mean it's true. So far, you are speculating. Youtube doesn't mean doo doo. Anyone can post anything there. Just sayin'.

So yes, there needs to be hard evidence - one of the best types of evidence are in house whistle blowers who are willing to testify under oath with facts presented under a deposition. So there ya go.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Ok I think I get you and I hope every casino player reads your message and I am sure your message will be a wake up call for them as I can say this will make them responsible player even more considering the evidences are all subjective including the ones which are captured from real games in youtube. I just hope authorities become more responsible in their acts considering they are holding public positions and they are paid by public.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Life is not fair. And my main concern is the integrity of this forum. This forum is one of the most powerful tools gamblers have to get things done in this industry. Like I said, I have run this site for 23 years, and there are loads of changes this industry has made because of some of the topics raised and issues dealt with here.

In my opinion, there is a tea kettle orbiting Jupiter's moon, Europa. That doesn't mean it's true. So far, you are speculating. Youtube doesn't mean doo doo. Anyone can post anything there. Just sayin'.

So yes, there needs to be hard evidence - one of the best types of evidence are in house whistle blowers who are willing to testify under oath with facts presented under a deposition. So there ya go.

Btw, didn't I mention that I made one of the host dealers on megaball by the name Dita (the slimmer and taller host) confess to the rigging. Just to help you, I logged into another casino with different username and quizzed this lady. It was kind of a trap to let her reveal the secret and there she was acknowledging the crime that it was indeed a moment of butchering. Till this time I was in a good shape just becz of one big win and it happen to me very mistakenly or unexpectedly. But the day of butchering arrived when I started betting high. I trusted the game which was my mistake and I kept on getting 5x but to no avail I kept on loosing and all in a streak. This lady knew it all it was all done intentionally by the house, i.e. rigged.
Also, when I had that big win, the next day they tweaked the game a bit. The 1 card pickup time got increased. In other words, earlier I could have picked more cards using 1 card option then I was later. I was using it to randomize my cards and now it was not proving to work int he same fashion. The change is still in existence today.


These are very strong evidences. I am just trying to help innocent players who would think they will be able to beat the house. But they simply can't and will not.

 

[cncas2123]

Btw, didn't I mention that I made one of the host dealers on megaball by the name Dita (the slimmer and taller host) confess to the rigging. Just to help you, I logged into another casino with different username and quizzed this lady. It was kind of a trap to let her reveal the secret and there she was acknowledging the crime that it was indeed a moment of butchering. Till this time I was in a good shape just becz of one big win and it happen to me very mistakenly or unexpectedly. But the day of butchering arrived when I started betting high. I trusted the game which was my mistake and I kept on getting 5x but to no avail I kept on loosing and all in a streak. This lady knew it all it was all done intentionally by the house, i.e. rigged.
Also, when I had that big win, the next day they tweaked the game a bit. The 1 card pickup time got increased. In other words, earlier I could have picked more cards using 1 card option then I was later. I was using it to randomize my cards and now it was not proving to work int he same fashion. The change is still in existence today.


These are very strong evidences. I am just trying to help innocent players who would think they will be able to beat the house. But they simply can't and will not.

And no doubt you recorded this confession?

 

[Rogier]

It seems to me that the dealer pulled this trick because he knew which cards were in the deck. Of course I have no proof for that, those are my thoughts. It's so easy to manipulate in blackjack when you know what cards are in the deck. A good example of this is 'Poker Analyzer' (see youtube) this device can read exactly which cards are in the deck and can indicate in advance which player will win before the cards are dealt. If you and I can buy such equipment, how advanced could those online casinos be? I am pretty sure that dealers at Evolution Gaming might have a feeling things are not right, but they are not being told. The computer knows which cards are in the deck, not the dealers. The live casino with the cheating dealer we see in the video looks very unprofesional to me, nothing like Evolution gaming which have over 7000 exployees and a revenue of over $600 million. I think programmers and the people on the board are the only ones who know about the practices.

Unfortunately there is no concrete evidence, and you will only notice the cheating if you play for a long time and deposit a lot. It is really easy to notice. If everyone record their gameplay and post it on Youtube, it would be so obvious that bots play an important role in manipulating game rounds. I've seen the craziest things and it happened again and again. Let me add that it is a lesser known casino where I have played the games of Evolution for years. Maybe it's less bad on Pokerstars?

Example of what a random table looks like:
You play a number of rounds of low bets with 1 other player on a table, this player uses 2 seats. Then you place an unexpected high bet and if you lose it you almost have to deposit again. Now a few things can happen if they want you to lose.
- Nothing happens because the dealer is already going to win
- 1 or 2 more players join the table
- the player who used 2 seats in the last 10 rounds will now suddenly play with 1 seat or leave the table completely.
- the player who uses 2 seats (seat 1 and 2) suddenly moves from seat 1 to seat 5.

All ways ensure that the house eventually wins or at least has the best chance of winning. It may sound crazy what I said above but I'm not saying this after a night of losing or something. I have years of personal experience with Evolution Gaming blackjack and with the online gambling world itself. I have the feeling that things are not right

Thanks for the opportunity to give my opinion. Unfortunately, they are not facts but only experiences and thoughts.

 

[neon claws]

This is not fair to react in this fashion. Opinions are opinions. I am very surprised that you are asking for evidences.

This is the distilled thought pattern behind all these threads, the same with everyone spreading misinformation online; "I can make these wild allegations without evidence because it's just an opinion, ask me for evidence and I'll put the onus of disproving my insanity back on you"

And when you try to honestly engage by asking exactly what they're accusations are you'll get five paragraphs of incoherent nonsense about getting a live chat agent to admit the games are rigged, which makes no sense (because of course the evil corporation would tell their front line low paid support workers that the games are rigged), and a link to a YouTube video where a ball bounces a bit funny..

It's like my friend who is sadly prone to the same conspiracy theory brain (smokes too much pot and thinks he's smarter than he actually is)- proposes the government are gassing us with chemtrails, so you tell him about contrails, water vapor etc, ask to see where the engineering details of these secret gas pods are, who is refilling them at the airport? literally any evidence at all? Nope. But it NEVER persuades them, they will never change their mind,I believe they may actually be incapable of it.

Another example is he said covid-19 wasn't actually killing anyone and any deaths reported are misattributed. So you tell him about comorbidity, show him the rolling annual average deaths per year from all causes and how, compared to the fairly unchanging last decade there's been a huge increase coinciding with and in perfect lock step with the reported COVID-19 deaths, nope doesn't believe it, but he'll believe some random moron on YouTube/Facebook who supports his "opinions".

How about climate change, I ask him, it's not caused by mankind he says, the planet regularly cools and warms.
Ok yes it does but it should be in a cooling period now, not warming, and how about this graph showing thousands of years of atmospheric Co2 which matches up exactly with average surface temperature and naturally increases exponentially during the industrial revolution?

He shrugs his shoulders and says "that's your opinion"

It's hard to be friends with people like that because it's like arguing with a brick wall, I'd be lying if I said I just don't care anymore- it honestly worries me a lot that this is the state of the world these days; any evidence contrary to your preformed beliefs is just an opinion or fake news.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Lol...I can't deny you are a good writer and persuader. But truth always prevail remember that. Many of my questions are still not being answered and talking about evidences, ppl like you are not accepting on what is being already provided. For that matter, you are just shrugging it off. That's not right. Remember courts are always consumer friendly. They have to be, considering they are always or mostly the victims. Yesterday, I learnt a bit about sweden and it was very surprising to know that this country being so conservenist which includes alcohol but they openly promote gambling and the gambling commission aims to be the global leader. Also I heard about scams happening even at the street level gambling sites especially with tourists. I heard it's an open scam situation there, means all swedish people are aware. No wonder Evolution Gaming comes from Sweden.

 

[LuckyMe2021]

Lol...I can't deny you are a good writer and persuader. But truth always prevail remember that. Many of my questions are still not being answered and talking about evidences, ppl like you are not accepting on what is being already provided. For that matter, you are just shrugging it off. That's not right. Remember courts are always consumer friendly. They have to be, considering they are always or mostly the victims. Yesterday, I learnt a bit about sweden and it was very surprising to know that this country being so conservenist which includes alcohol but they openly promote gambling and the gambling commission aims to be the global leader. Also I heard about scams happening even at the street level gambling sites especially with tourists. I heard it's an open scam situation there, means all swedish people are aware. No wonder Evolution Gaming comes from Sweden.

So I lost all my hopes that sweden would do anything about it. I am just here to warn people of being looted by these big scamsters.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

So I lost all my hopes that sweden would do anything about it. I am just here to warn people of being looted by these big scamsters.

No you are just hear spreading fake conspiracies due to the fact no doubt you lost a lot of $$ on there games .

 

[LuckyMe2021]

No you are just hear spreading fake conspiracies due to the fact no doubt you lost a lot of $$ on there games .

I know what's happening here. Few ppl like you want these casino companies to continue mint money through unethical means and no doubt ppl like you willl try to do everything to protect them and keep ignoring and defuncing the facts raised by ppl like them who are witnessing these unfair practices. I will now stop posting any comments. I think I did enough to prove these scams do exists. I again to to warm innocent ppl...play carefully and responsibly.

 

[Casinomeister]

I know what's happening here. Few ppl like you want these casino companies to continue mint money through unethical means and no doubt ppl like you willl try to do everything to protect them and keep ignoring and defuncing the facts raised by ppl like them who are witnessing these unfair practices. I will now stop posting any comments. I think I did enough to prove these scams do exists. I again to to warm innocent ppl...play carefully and responsibly.

Ad hominem - attack the person and not the idea. "People like you..." What the heck is that supposed to mean?? Watch out for Escjamie!!

 

[LuckyMe2021]

I am still failing to understand how some people are easily able to conclude that the live casino operators are not rigging...and the fact is I have seen it from own eyes and experienced it over period of 4 months that these operators are rigging openly.

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

 

[neon claws]

I am still failing to understand how some people are easily able to conclude that the live casino operators are not rigging...and the fact is I have seen it from own eyes and experienced it over period of 4 months that these operators are rigging openly.

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

I'm pretty sure escjamie is on your side and was being sarcastic.
But yes, it's right out of the conspiracy theorists playbook to accuse anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them as being an employee of the casinos, and they're always just as sure of that as they are about everything else.

I have no love lost for casinos, and would never work for one or defend one against the many, MANY justifiable attacks one could level at them, but I no longer have any patience for willfully ignorant people either.

Oh and the old "I won't be posting here any longer" is also par for the course with these threads, you need to convince yourself you've won the argument somehow I suppose, the same way you need to convince yourself that it wasn't your fault that you lost all your money.

 

[Casinomeister]

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

That's probably the stupidest thing I've read all day. And this underscores your inability to do proper research. This is my forum - I am the "operator", and I am about as transparent as you can get:

About Casinomeister

No one here is really disagreeing with you. You are just making claims without solid proof. Because you think something is true doesn't mean it is true.

 

[Mark_BGO]

This forum seems to be operated by casino operators and hence for me it's important to move to a better place to raise these issues where they are look into seriously and someone who has right intentions and power to take these issues with govt authorities and also expose them to larger audience.

I’ve worked in the industry for 18 years and known Bryan (Casinomeister) for a large number of them. I’m now CEO for a smaller operator. I can assure you that this forum is 100% independent and not run by anyone on the operators side!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is the distilled thought pattern behind all these threads, the same with everyone spreading misinformation online; "I can make these wild allegations without evidence because it's just an opinion, ask me for evidence and I'll put the onus of disproving my insanity back on you"

And when you try to honestly engage by asking exactly what they're accusations are you'll get five paragraphs of incoherent nonsense about getting a live chat agent to admit the games are rigged, which makes no sense (because of course the evil corporation would tell their front line low paid support workers that the games are rigged), and a link to a YouTube video where a ball bounces a bit funny..

It's like my friend who is sadly prone to the same conspiracy theory brain (smokes too much pot and thinks he's smarter than he actually is)- proposes the government are gassing us with chemtrails, so you tell him about contrails, water vapor etc, ask to see where the engineering details of these secret gas pods are, who is refilling them at the airport? literally any evidence at all? Nope. But it NEVER persuades them, they will never change their mind,I believe they may actually be incapable of it.

Another example is he said covid-19 wasn't actually killing anyone and any deaths reported are misattributed. So you tell him about comorbidity, show him the rolling annual average deaths per year from all causes and how, compared to the fairly unchanging last decade there's been a huge increase coinciding with and in perfect lock step with the reported COVID-19 deaths, nope doesn't believe it, but he'll believe some random moron on YouTube/Facebook who supports his "opinions".

How about climate change, I ask him, it's not caused by mankind he says, the planet regularly cools and warms.
Ok yes it does but it should be in a cooling period now, not warming, and how about this graph showing thousands of years of atmospheric Co2 which matches up exactly with average surface temperature and naturally increases exponentially during the industrial revolution?

He shrugs his shoulders and says "that's your opinion"

It's hard to be friends with people like that because it's like arguing with a brick wall, I'd be lying if I said I just don't care anymore- it honestly worries me a lot that this is the state of the world these days; any evidence contrary to your preformed beliefs is just an opinion or fake news.

'Just my opinion' does a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to pure nonsense.

Opinion is fine for some things, such as, 'The Fillet-O-Fish is the finest dining experience at McDonald's' would be a controversial take, but hey, it's still a valid opinion.

It's when we get into the realms of people standing waist deep in a lake whilst saying, 'My legs and feet aren't wet, just my opinion', that it gets stretched well beyond breaking point.

Sometimes it's possible to simply be wrong, and adding, 'just my opinion' to the end doesn't make it any less wrong.

 

[JohnSnow]

Not everything that comes out of Latvia is illegal, quite preposterous to suggest so.

Working from Latvia could be as simple as the low running costs, or maybe even due to an owner having a residence, the allure of the eastern Europeans in a predominantly English speaking industry etc etc. there are literally hundreds of possible reasons.

Evolution made tons from Live Casino which enabled them to start buying up other companies, simple as that.

Still waiting on evidence, otherwise, I think this debate has reached its potential.

I strongly disagree this is not the best forum to provide such evidence. Many members on here who don't just defend. CM has a good mix of industry and average Jo's. I would personally help any investigation, as would many other members I believe.

Working in Latvia is only because of the cost. I know Dutch dealers who worked in Latvia for international gambling companies.

 

[thr0b]

The thing with all these threads, the biggest unanswered question:-

If you're so convinced the game is rigged, you've got so much evidence to prove it...why the FUCK do you keep putting money in? Are you stupid?

 

[spurs1882]

I could easily believe that Evolution have rigged games in the past and have seen very compelling video evidence that is very difficult to defend. If there was a class legal action I would definitely join as I have lost a six figure sum on their games, often with highly unlikely sequences of results that happened far more often than would be expected through chance.

But unfortunately the person making accusations in this thread doesn't seem credible.