Taking Legal action against Evolution gaming

Quickwin

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Hi everyone,

I have in the last 1 year played heavly on evolution gaming, crazy time, monopoly live, mega ball, etc.

I come cross solid evidence that these live games are not random, The data and the evidence I'm sitting on is solid enough to have a case.

Now I am asking if any other members would like to join me on this class action against EVO gaming.

I am willing to put some serious amount of funds for lawyers, around 6 figures USD to fight this scam company.

Btw, they say they claim they have Ecorga approval and MGA approval but I cannot seems to find any document that they actually have it.

On their site, bottom, they have the logo but it just direct to their site and not the actual approval linsence.
 

neon claws

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One year of collecting "evidence" and you can not manage to spend 5 minutes looking up the very valid licenses?

And feel free to share the evidence.

I guarantee the evidence is that he has a gut feeling, he's lost a lot, a ball bounced a bit funny and a video feed dropped out because his computer is so loaded full of malware.

Same as these threads always are; people unable to admit they lost through their own volition blaming it instead on the machinations of a corrupt "scam" casino.

Yawn.
 

goatwack

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Wouldn't publicly sharing sensitive evidence jeopardize this case? One can't do that willy-nilly

And anyway, we should be commending someone for taking them on, in fact after reading the Evolution thread for what seems like 34 years I'll even foot the bill
 

Quickwin

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I will not show any evidence here in case i Jeopardize the case.

some of the evidence is similiar to this :


As you can see in this video, the dealer switch the card (I believe they know what card is about to come so they switch the value.

to Noen claws, it dosent matter if i won large or lost large, this is very typical answers from the industry people. All everyone wants is to have a fair game, but whenever large money get involved always greed come to play from both side, you in other hand seems to back up a claim where you even dont have any clue what you are talking about.
 

TheAddict

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Hmm, anyone know what happened to that dude in the vid? he was running a blackjack teaching scam b4 he seemed to coincidently disappear off of youtube, t'was kinda funny to watch :(
 

neon claws

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I will not show any evidence here in case i Jeopardize the case.

some of the evidence is similiar to this :


As you can see in this video, the dealer switch the card (I believe they know what card is about to come so they switch the value.

to Noen claws, it dosent matter if i won large or lost large, this is very typical answers from the industry people. All everyone wants is to have a fair game, but whenever large money get involved always greed come to play from both side, you in other hand seems to back up a claim where you even dont have any clue what you are talking about.

The dealer fumbled the card, it happens.
Are you proposing that the casino told him to do that, on camera no less, presumably multiple times?
 

Guntis

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No one will ever find out what was the reason for doing this, but it obvious - the dealer knew exactly what he is doing! By the way, this happened not at Evolution Gaming studios but at Global Gaming Labs. The cooperation with the company was immediately stopped and switched to Visionary iGaming.
 

goatwack

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If we're to scrutinize Live dealers online versus actual land-based ones, the comparisons aren't even close.

Online aren't anything resembling competent, I'm not even sure they're trained by industry professionals!

Noticed that disparity from day 1. So really instead of thinking they're cheating or manipulating the shoe, I'm more inclined to say they're just rubbish dealers. And there's a helluva lot of them, without much in the way of Pit Bosses or others to keep them to a standard
 

Guntis

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If we're to scrutinize Live dealers online versus actual land-based ones, the comparisons aren't even close.

Online aren't anything resembling competent, I'm not even sure they're trained by industry professionals!

Noticed that disparity from day 1. So really instead of thinking they're cheating or manipulating the shoe, I'm more inclined to say they're just rubbish dealers. And there's a helluva lot of them, without much in the way of Pit Bosses or others to keep them to a standard

Agree!
I don't know about others, but in Evolution, there are three weeks in house roulette, blackjack, baccarat training provided plus they teach how to behave in front of a camera (always smile and talk any crap).
Since everything, there is almost automatic - the dealing skills can be learned in a few days.

The money they get is shit. But from another hand, there is zero stress in comparison to real casinos.
 

neon claws

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but it obvious - the dealer knew exactly what he is doing!

Disagree. Looks more like a nervous tic than an action that could be deliberately and consistently replicated, maybe if you had 2-3 examples of him doing the same move. And why on earth would they deliberately cheat in plain sight when on camera? Just hope people don't notice? No one would ever use that as a business model and if they were there'd be dozens of these videos.
 

TheD

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I will not show any evidence here in case i Jeopardize the case.

some of the evidence is similiar to this :


To me all that shows is evidence of human error. The dealer appears to be distracted by trying to read the chat and is therefore dealing subconsciously. He’s not even looking at what he’s doing and you can see his finger make several attempts to swipe the card before accidentally flicking it up and swiping the card behind.

Dealing cards might seem like the easiest thing in the world, but they are required to also read the chat and interact with the players so it is understandable why these errors happen so often.
 

Guntis

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Disagree. Looks more like a nervous tic than an action that could be deliberately and consistently replicated, maybe if you had 2-3 examples of him doing the same move. And why on earth would they deliberately cheat in plain sight when on camera? Just hope people don't notice? No one would ever use that as a business model and if they were there'd be dozens of these videos.

Nervous tic? Lol, maybe too! :D But I think every sensible person should be for 100% responsible for their actions, and these nervous tics avoided. Especially at such professions.
 

Slottery

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If we're to scrutinize Live dealers online versus actual land-based ones, the comparisons aren't even close.

Online aren't anything resembling competent, I'm not even sure they're trained by industry professionals!

Noticed that disparity from day 1. So really instead of thinking they're cheating or manipulating the shoe, I'm more inclined to say they're just rubbish dealers. And there's a helluva lot of them, without much in the way of Pit Bosses or others to keep them to a standard

Really agree on this one.

If you take a quick search and read some Facebook groups etc... You can see that live dealers with different languages are wanted all the time. No experience needed, training provided, know few peeps who have done that (not very long, shitty pay and many don't enjoy to in live camera non stop) and based on these things, i find it really hard to believe that majority of live dealers would even near capable to make these kind or tricks like in that video, you anyway have to do it front of watching eyes and would need bit more than week or two training where you possibly learn rules and payouts of BJ.
 

neilw

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Most of the live dealers are students at university. Some go on to make long term careers at the live casino provider or move around between providers.

Full training is given, but as @gotwack said, they can't be compared with land-based dealers. the two are completely different jobs.

The live casino dealers are presenters and it's not as easy as it looks. I know, I've tried several times while visiting the studios.


They have to act in a particular way, make very precise movements and place the cards in a certain way or spin the wheel within certain parameters, etc while chatting. the more experienced dealers do it effortlessly while the newbies are quite deliberate with their actions to make sure they limit mistakes. Fair play to them all, especially when they can't the players and only have a tv screen in front of them giving them instructions on what to do next. Mistakes are a key KPI and they can miss their bonus payments if they make too many mistakes.

As for the video of the cheating dealer, I've covered it in this article - All is not what it seemed.

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The dealer was sacked when he refused to say what and why he did what he did.

I had my doubts about the guy in the video and it looks like i was right. This video explains what happened to him.

 

miksaxxx

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The live casino dealers are presenters




I had my doubts about the guy in the video and it looks like i was right. This video explains what happened to him. ( Fired ! )

Who is this rookie in video ?.. I hope he dont never deal any hand. :p
 
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