Baptism by Fire - failed Sunset Slots

[KasinoKing]

Only bonus available is 150% with 35x D&B playthrough.

Ouch - that's harsh.
Did you sign-up via CM's link? Players who use my site face less than half that WR, so I would have thought CM would have a similar or better deal...

KK

 

[Lucky Loser]

Yes, I most certainly did. It's the welcome bonus offer. And for good measure the bonus money is not withdrawable.

These type of predatory offers from Rival casinos really piss me off.

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

Some feedback. I opened an account recently.

Only bonus available is 150% with 35x D&B playthrough. Max withdrawable is 20x bonus.

I would have to be mad to accept such an offer. There is no way your casino is getting my $$$.

Thank you for the feedback Lucky Loser.

The 20 max cashout rule is applicable, but we have the right to veto the max 20 rule when it comes to a big payout for a specific player.. This being said, the 35 wagering is standard across most online casinos, and even though there are a few who will lessen their wagering requirements - your playtime almost always ends up diminishing and your money is gone before you can say slot machine

You are welcome to PM me with your account name and I will look into the best bonus for you.

Best,
SSS Ops

 

[KasinoKing]

.... This being said, the 35 wagering is standard across most online casinos, and even though there are a few who will lessen their wagering requirements...

Sorry, but that is simply NOT TRUE.
(D+B)x35 is VERY high - well above the average.
For example, on my SB site I list 130+ casino's welcome bonuses and only ONE is higher than that!
The average is around the (D+B)x20 mark, with a significant number being less than that.

KK

 

[SlotsLover]

max cashout abomination

Thank you for the feedback Lucky Loser.

The 20 max cashout rule is applicable, but we have the right to veto the max 20 rule when it comes to a big payout for a specific player.. This being said, the 35 wagering is standard across most online casinos, and even though there are a few who will lessen their wagering requirements - your playtime almost always ends up diminishing and your money is gone before you can say slot machine

You are welcome to PM me with your account name and I will look into the best bonus for you.

Best,
SSS Ops

The 20x max cashout is HORRIBLE. It's even worse when combined with a long playthrough because not only will one lose back any winnings the majority of the time, but when one does get that "hot streak" on a long rollover, they most likely will go way over the maximum withdrawal. While I don't doubt the casino rep's honesty or sincerity about having the "right to veto the max 20x rule," I have to say that's like I have the "right to" give away all my money to the man on the corner. I could do it, but don't hold your breath. A quick poll, with that bonus on a $100 deposit and a player with balance of 10k after meeting the rollover, how many think said player will get a) $2000 (20x) or b) $10,000?

 

[nisosbar]

I agree that the max cashout on a deposit made with a bonus is very objectionable, though I recognize that many Rival's do this.

Another reason to play only with a straight deposit, no bonus.

 

[ChillBill]

Do this rival casino really pays withdrawals in 24 hours via e-wallet (skrill, ecocard, neteller,...) or is there a pending period in addition ?

Wary of anything Rival, I threw caution to the wind. Least here I have a rep contact and the PAB option, if it goes pear shaped. Admittedly I hardly take bonuses, even when it's 30x Bonus (only) and isn't sticky. So I didn't take a bonus here at Sunset Slots. Dropped $100 and got a fair run for my money. Didn't cash-out. Played here a few more times and have managed a withdrawal. Cashed out $1,500 on a Monday night (AUS time 10:30pm). Contacted support via live chat to advise of withdrawal. That hit NT on Tuesday around 8:30am.

All in all, SSS is another casino I've now kept.

I find support to be friendly and helpful, but live chat can be a bit slow, if you don't initiate the chat. That is, when it loads, type-in "Hello, hi, whatever". Otherwise, I have waited a good 5 min for someone to answer. Though, phone support is quick but if I have the software loaded, easier to use live chat.

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

The 20x max cashout is HORRIBLE. It's even worse when combined with a long playthrough because not only will one lose back any winnings the majority of the time, but when one does get that "hot streak" on a long rollover, they most likely will go way over the maximum withdrawal. While I don't doubt the casino rep's honesty or sincerity about having the "right to veto the max 20x rule," I have to say that's like I have the "right to" give away all my money to the man on the corner. I could do it, but don't hold your breath. A quick poll, with that bonus on a $100 deposit and a player with balance of 10k after meeting the rollover, how many think said player will get a) $2000 (20x) or b) $10,000?

Hi Slotslover,

You make a good point with the maximum cashout and the "high" wagering or rollover as you refer to it. This is a point that was previously raised and as mentioned we will be re-working this to get to a happy middle ground for everyone involved. Bonuses are there for players who want to add leverage to their play and play for longer to increase their chances of winning. As the old saying goes "there is no such thing as a free meal" these bonuses have certain terms attached to them, terms which are not specific to our casino, rival or any other software provider, the terms will always be their in another shape or form.

As mentioned our task is now to find agreeable terms which would make a bonus enticing to you, any - serious- suggestions would be highly appreciated.

On the flip side, there will never be a case where we force you to take a bonus in order to complete the attached wagering, and the chois is, and always will remain yours whether you want to take up a bonus or not.

Best,

SSS Ops

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

Wary of anything Rival, I threw caution to the wind. Least here I have a rep contact and the PAB option, if it goes pear shaped. Admittedly I hardly take bonuses, even when it's 30x Bonus (only) and isn't sticky. So I didn't take a bonus here at Sunset Slots. Dropped $100 and got a fair run for my money. Didn't cash-out. Played here a few more times and have managed a withdrawal. Cashed out $1,500 on a Monday night (AUS time 10:30pm). Contacted support via live chat to advise of withdrawal. That hit NT on Tuesday around 8:30am.

All in all, SSS is another casino I've now kept.

I find support to be friendly and helpful, but live chat can be a bit slow, if you don't initiate the chat. That is, when it loads, type-in "Hello, hi, whatever". Otherwise, I have waited a good 5 min for someone to answer. Though, phone support is quick but if I have the software loaded, easier to use live chat.

Thank you for your Positive feedback. We have just procured a new chat system and we were in the process of getting rid of the gremlins. I am glad to report that everything should be fixed now.

Thanks again for your valuable feedback and congratulations on your win.

Best,
SSS Ops

 

[SlotsLover]

Hi Slotslover,

You make a good point with the maximum cashout and the "high" wagering or rollover as you refer to it. This is a point that was previously raised and as mentioned we will be re-working this to get to a happy middle ground for everyone involved. Bonuses are there for players who want to add leverage to their play and play for longer to increase their chances of winning. As the old saying goes "there is no such thing as a free meal" these bonuses have certain terms attached to them, terms which are not specific to our casino, rival or any other software provider, the terms will always be their in another shape or form.

As mentioned our task is now to find agreeable terms which would make a bonus enticing to you, any - serious- suggestions would be highly appreciated.

On the flip side, there will never be a case where we force you to take a bonus in order to complete the attached wagering, and the chois is, and always will remain yours whether you want to take up a bonus or not.

Best,

SSS Ops

I sincerely appreciate your desire to find the "middle ground" and my suggestion is simply to eliminate the maximum withdrawal on any slots bonuses because it goes against the spirit of slot machines in my opinion to limit a jackpot (as compared to say blackjack, where one can easily reduce their bets if they get near a maximum withdrawal). Put in whatever other terms you like but no max cashout (i.e. increase the rollover, although 35x seems very high to me).

Happy New Year.

 

[ChillBill]

(i.e. increase the rollover, although 35x seems very high to me).

35x would be fine if it was for the bonus only. 32Red etc etc only place wagering on the bonus, not the deposit.

But bonus play-thru at SSS is comprised of: Deposit + Bonus x wagering value. On the standard 30x, with a $100 dep:
$100 + $100 x 30 = $6,000 wagering

With the bonus being sticky, you'll have $100 removed from your withdrawal. Add in the "max" 20 times withdrawal limit and there are just too many restriction on these bonuses. Seems most Rivals use D+B terms and max cash-outs.

Suppose it's one way to maximise deposits staying put!

 

[mrmark21]

Got in the mail today a flyer from Sunset Slots and a free Mouse Pad. Cool concept considering I've never received anything from a casino that hasn't seen either a flyer or a disc. Great marketing and it's definitely allot smarter than sending players free spins they aren't eligible for (I'm looking at you Major Tom Casino).

Thanks

 

[Nate]

Never good when a Casino tries to butter its bread on 3 sides...

As posted above - 60x Wagering with a max cash out on any deposit is not really fair. I can understand if its deposit $10 get $200 and a max cash out is attached... but anyone who accepts this offer is just feeding the ludicrous ways Casinos come up to retain cash. Not like the house edge is enough, they still need to plaster you with heaps of hurdles.

Not Cool Sunset Slots.

Nate

 

[orion]

I also got the mouse pad (ehi, Thank You for that) and I went visiting the site. Got an offer 200 % bonus on deposit.

Yes I agree T&C are quite awful: WR 30x D+B, AND max cashout 20X bonus, AND sticky bonus, they are no good.

If there was one only of the 3, maybe I would have deposited.

CO was very lazy and late-answering in the chat, then I lost my grip and closed it in a sudden way. I must admit he contacted me back immediately by phone he did apologize for the delay in giving me answers and he also dropped a small freechip in my account.

So, good service. Thank you.

I miss a lot the old times when I could enjoy the Rival games (when Sloto was there), I still think this platform has a great potential, but the casinos MUST re-visit their T&C on bonuses. The actual ones are really poor, IMHO.

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

Yes, I most certainly did. It's the welcome bonus offer. And for good measure the bonus money is not withdrawable.

These type of predatory offers from Rival casinos really piss me off.

Thanks for your post Lucky Loser.

Bonus money is very seldom withdrawable at any online casino - unless it is a bonus earned through loyalty points or a comp given at the Manager's discretion.

The sticky bonus rule applies to some of the promotions (Sign up bonuses) but we do run special promotions where bonuses aren't sticky and players are welcome to cash out should they win.

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

I sincerely appreciate your desire to find the "middle ground" and my suggestion is simply to eliminate the maximum withdrawal on any slots bonuses because it goes against the spirit of slot machines in my opinion to limit a jackpot (as compared to say blackjack, where one can easily reduce their bets if they get near a maximum withdrawal). Put in whatever other terms you like but no max cashout (i.e. increase the rollover, although 35x seems very high to me).

Happy New Year.

Happy new year to you and all Meister Members.

Thanks again for your suggestion you can rest assured that this is going to be hashed out properly and changes for the better will be made.

SSS Ops

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

35x would be fine if it was for the bonus only. 32Red etc etc only place wagering on the bonus, not the deposit.

But bonus play-thru at SSS is comprised of: Deposit + Bonus x wagering value. On the standard 30x, with a $100 dep:
$100 + $100 x 30 = $6,000 wagering

With the bonus being sticky, you'll have $100 removed from your withdrawal. Add in the "max" 20 times withdrawal limit and there are just too many restriction on these bonuses. Seems most Rivals use D+B terms and max cash-outs.

Suppose it's one way to maximise deposits staying put!

Hi Chillbill,

As mentioned bonuses are usually only sticky when they are sign up bonuses. We do offer non-sticky bonuses on some promotions but at the moment sign up bonuses are sticky. We are however looking into this and as mentioned, it will be taken into thorough consideration.

Thanks again for your feedback.
Best

SSS Ops

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

Got in the mail today a flyer from Sunset Slots and a free Mouse Pad. Cool concept considering I've never received anything from a casino that hasn't seen either a flyer or a disc. Great marketing and it's definitely allot smarter than sending players free spins they aren't eligible for (I'm looking at you Major Tom Casino).

Thanks

Thanks for your comment Mrmark21 - glad that you liked it.

Brilliant feedback indeed.

SSS Ops

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

Never good when a Casino tries to butter its bread on 3 sides...

As posted above - 60x Wagering with a max cash out on any deposit is not really fair. I can understand if its deposit $10 get $200 and a max cash out is attached... but anyone who accepts this offer is just feeding the ludicrous ways Casinos come up to retain cash. Not like the house edge is enough, they still need to plaster you with heaps of hurdles.

Not Cool Sunset Slots.

Nate

Hi Nate,

I believe that this issue has been taken note of in previous posts from yourself. I do value the fact that you are re-iterating your points just as I understand, from the feedback that came out of this forum, that this is one of the most critical issues that we need to take into consideration. You can rest assured that we will be looking at the wagering and max cashout issues.

Our aim is to build a reputable brand here where our players enjoy their gaming experience with us, not chase them away.

SSS Ops

 

[KasinoKing]

Bonus money is very seldom withdrawable at any online casino - unless it is a bonus earned through loyalty points or a comp given at the Manager's discretion.

Wrong AGAIN!!!
I really think you need to do some in-depth research before you come here posting these incorrect sweeping statements.

Referring to the 130+ welcome offers on my SB site again: Only 27 of them are "Sticky" (Phantom) bonuses.
And those 27 are nearly all at RTG or Playtech casinos.

KK

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

Wrong AGAIN!!!
I really think you need to do some in-depth research before you come here posting these incorrect sweeping statements.

Referring to the 130+ welcome offers on my SB site again: Only 27 of them are "Sticky" (Phantom) bonuses.
And those 27 are nearly all at RTG or Playtech casinos.

KK

Hi Kasino King,

Seems That there has been a misunderstanding. I was referring to bonuses being allocated to a player that can be withdrawn immediately.

SSS Ops

 

[ChillBill]

Got in the mail today a flyer from Sunset Slots and a free Mouse Pad.

I got one of them too
Nice bonus offer but logged in and no related bonus T&C listed for this offer. So I didn't take it and I didn't play!

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

I got one of them too
Nice bonus offer but logged in and no related bonus T&C listed for this offer. So I didn't take it and I didn't play!

Hi Chillbill,

Thanks for your post and thanks for confirming that you received the mousepad. The terms of the promotion are displayed in the cashier before you claim the promotion.

If you do feel like discussing the terms with me, please let me know I am always available to chat.

Best,
SSS Ops

 

[ChillBill]

The terms of the promotion are displayed in the cashier before you claim the promotion.

If you do feel like discussing the terms with me, please let me know I am always available to chat.

Thanks but there's nothing to discuss. My point wasn't about the T&C's, what I said was...
"Nice bonus offer but logged in and no related bonus T&C listed for this offer. So I didn't take it and I didn't play!"

I didn't take the bonus offer, because there was no reference in the cashier to this bonus. Impossible to claim a bonus if it's not there!

There were only two (2) available bonus offers listed, And this "special bonus", was neither of them.

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

Thanks but there's nothing to discuss. My point wasn't about the T&C's, what I said was...
"Nice bonus offer but logged in and no related bonus T&C listed for this offer. So I didn't take it and I didn't play!"

I didn't take the bonus offer, because there was no reference in the cashier to this bonus. Impossible to claim a bonus if it's not there!

There were only two (2) available bonus offers listed, And this "special bonus", was neither of them.

Hi ChillBill,

That is very strange that the bonus wasn't available to you when you logged on.

If you PM me with your account number or e-mail address and I will gladly look into this for you.

Best,
SSS Ops

 

[vinylweatherman]

Wrong AGAIN!!!
I really think you need to do some in-depth research before you come here posting these incorrect sweeping statements.

Referring to the 130+ welcome offers on my SB site again: Only 27 of them are "Sticky" (Phantom) bonuses.
And those 27 are nearly all at RTG or Playtech casinos.

KK

It seems the rep is referring only to Rival casinos, but calling this "most casinos".

My experience is mostly Microgaming. Bonuses here are cashable once WR has been met, and max withdrawals are usually only set on free chips, and even here it's those free chips one gets to "try before you buy".

The WR on Microgaming is from 30x BONUS ONLY, up to 50x BONUS at a few sites. The majority use the standard 30x B, and the bonus becomes cashable once WR has been met. Strangely, Microgaming casinos rarely go bust, unlike Rival where casinos seem to be going bust all the time.

If a Microgaming operator can make a decent profit on 30x B WR, cashable boni, and no max cashouts, surely an equally clever Rival operator can do the same.


Many casinos now use max bet rules to prevent overly leveraged play, such as "max bet is 25% of the bonus credited". The max bet on the games can also be set in the software such that very large bets cannot be made.

The welcome bonus is what sells the casino to a player, so if they see draconian rules here, they will judge the casino on these, and will never know that most other boni don't have such draconian terms.

A Rival casino making it to accreditation breaks the mould, so why not break the mould that says Rival casino means sticky boni and max cashouts left, right and centre even when deposits are made.

It will also mean not offering those stupid 10000% boni that some dodgy operators have used to blind players to the fact that they are getting screwed by the smallprint. You won't see a 10000% bonus at any Microgaming casino, and even boni over 100% are pretty rare. The fairer bonus terms mean that it just isn't feasible to offer such stupidly high bonus percentages.

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

It seems the rep is referring only to Rival casinos, but calling this "most casinos".

My experience is mostly Microgaming. Bonuses here are cashable once WR has been met, and max withdrawals are usually only set on free chips, and even here it's those free chips one gets to "try before you buy".

The WR on Microgaming is from 30x BONUS ONLY, up to 50x BONUS at a few sites. The majority use the standard 30x B, and the bonus becomes cashable once WR has been met. Strangely, Microgaming casinos rarely go bust, unlike Rival where casinos seem to be going bust all the time.

If a Microgaming operator can make a decent profit on 30x B WR, cashable boni, and no max cashouts, surely an equally clever Rival operator can do the same.


Many casinos now use max bet rules to prevent overly leveraged play, such as "max bet is 25% of the bonus credited". The max bet on the games can also be set in the software such that very large bets cannot be made.

The welcome bonus is what sells the casino to a player, so if they see draconian rules here, they will judge the casino on these, and will never know that most other boni don't have such draconian terms.

A Rival casino making it to accreditation breaks the mould, so why not break the mould that says Rival casino means sticky boni and max cashouts left, right and centre even when deposits are made.

It will also mean not offering those stupid 10000% boni that some dodgy operators have used to blind players to the fact that they are getting screwed by the smallprint. You won't see a 10000% bonus at any Microgaming casino, and even boni over 100% are pretty rare. The fairer bonus terms mean that it just isn't feasible to offer such stupidly high bonus percentages.

Hi Vinylweatherman,
Thanks a lot for your input – as always comments from an experienced member such as yourself is always greatly appreciated.

The free chips here are mostly also for “try before you buy” style promotions and certainly though a player has the right to winnings off a free money bonus, most serious players know that you have to handle a bit more than a 20 free chip if you want some serious playtime/winnings.

The max cashout and wagering requirement certainly has been a big topic in our meetings since it was first addressed in the forums and I am sure that there will still be a fair amount of discussion (sometimes heated) around this issue on our side. In the meantime, we have decided to run some of our other promotions that are scheduled to go out with adjusted requirements and we will be monitoring the performance of these promotions closely.

In order for us to retain players and compete with other platforms (non-MGS - of course) in the US we have to offer higher bonuses. I certainly am a fan of lower bonuses and more flexibility when it comes to withdrawals. With everyone trying to get a foot in the door in the US, the bar certainly has been raised in terms of bonuses and although, not ideal, this is the situation that we are faced with at the moment.

Your point on lower bonuses with the adjusted requirements certainly has been well received and as mentioned above we are testing the waters on some promotions.

Thanks again for your valuable input,

Best,
SSS Ops

 

[The Dude]

Casino Fail

Unfortunately, I was informed earlier today about some disturbing news concerning the operations of this casino - not on a player level, but something else (marketing scheme) that to me is a deal-killer. There will probably be more information that can be given out publicly tomorrow, but for now the casino is no longer considered for Accreditation. I will explain later.

 

[Jericoton]

I was just about to post my first post on this well still going to... Made some deposits here lost some and yes bonus rules are awful but when you do not have many rivals to go for i decided to play on this one. Managed to do my first withdrawal also on this week. Verification process was fast (one day) and received payment in 36hours. No complaints.

 

[chuchu59]

LOL. Maybe they used a bad name. May I suggest that they use Sunrise next time.

 

[maphesto]

Sunset Slots have their own sister now (and there are two), I have read at several affiliate pages. mattsgame nailed it here (He meant Kings Chance), early in the thread:

BTW are you guys a sister to Kings Palace Casino? You are the only 2 Rivals that that have a maximum withdrawal of 20xb+d and a minimum $100 withdrawal and the terms are very similar for bonuses etc.

The sisters are Kings Chance (Rival) and Grand Fortune (RTG).

From Grand Fortune:

This website is owned and operated by Merus (UK) LTD, 37A Chippenham Mews, W9 2AN London, using the gaming license of its holding company Audeo NV.

From Kings Chance:

Kings Chance Casino, operated by Audeo N.V. E-Commerce Park Vredenberg Willemstad – Curaçao (hereafter “ANV”) is a company incorporated, licensed and regulated by the Government of Curacao for the purpose of operating an online casino. All matters relating to the gaming license are handled by ANV.

Just some info now when we are waiting for Bryan's explanation!

 

[mattsgame]

Sunset Slots have their own sister now (and there are two), I have read at several affiliate pages. mattsgame nailed it here (He meant Kings Chance), early in the thread:



The sisters are Kings Chance (Rival) and Grand Fortune (RTG).

From Grand Fortune:



From Kings Chance:



Just some info now when we are waiting for Bryan's explanation!

You are correct, not sure where I got Kings Palace from but they have the exact terms etc. I don't recall getting an answer either?

 

[maphesto]

I don't recall getting an answer either?

No, their owner was pulished on Kings Chance website and they didn't want us to know their owners.

 

[Balthazar]

Unfortunately, I was informed earlier today about some disturbing news concerning the operations of this casino - not on a player level, but something else (marketing scheme) that to me is a deal-killer. There will probably be more information that can be given out publicly tomorrow, but for now the casino is no longer considered for Accreditation. I will explain later.

Why "probably"? Remember that it is not slander if it's demonstrably true.

 

[maxd]

Why "probably"? Remember that it is not slander if it's demonstrably true.

You can safely assume that Bryan knows the difference between slander and a legitimate accusation or charge. But that's not the point. It's a question of inside industry information and what is or isn't suitable for publication. Standard stuff, tin foil hats not required for this one.

 

[Balthazar]

inside industry information and what is or isn't suitable for publication.

Ok, but if they break the rules for accreditation it's important for players to know exactly why ("marketing scheme" means nothing), as some players still play there. Also, I can't say that I'm a fan "inside industry" secrets.

 

[Nifty29]

Ok, but if they break the rules for accreditation it's important for players to know exactly why ("marketing scheme" means nothing), as some players still play there. Also, I can't say that I'm a fan "inside industry" secrets.

Every single industry in the world has "inside secrets" of one kind or another.

Whether you or I are a fan of it doesn't, and won't, change that fact.

Have you considered that by publicly airing certain information, one may be revealing one's sources who may well have spoken on condition of anonymity? You might also want to consider that Bryan has a family, and there are some elements of the industry who are happy to operate on the wrong side of many aspects of the law.

Personally, I'm happy that Bryan is looking out for OUR interests as players. The exact whys and whos are irrelevant to me, as I'm happy to take him at his word. I don't see why he should lay it all out just to satisfy someone's personal curiosity.....after all, if anyone keeps playing there after reading that Bryan will NOT allow this casino to even be considered for accreditation, then knowing a few more details isn't going to make any difference.

Not everything to do with online casinos is some kind of conspiracy.

 

[maxd]

Every single industry in the world has "inside secrets" of one kind or another.

Whether you or I are a fan of it doesn't, and won't, change that fact.

Quite so, and rather obvious I would think.

 

[maphesto]

Personally, I'm happy that Bryan is looking out for OUR interests as players. The exact whys and whos are irrelevant to me, as I'm happy to take him at his word.

The reason for a failing BbF is quite important to many players here! Some casinos who failed have continued to have many players from here, mainly US facing casinos. Lucky Club Casino failed because they couldn't decide whether they belong to Jackpot Capital or Intertops. Mainstreet casinos failed because they have bonus terms that are a bit unfair for non-US/non-Canadian players, according to Bryan. All these casinos are probably having a lot of players from here. I remember when Rushmore lost their act completely, still many players from here continued top play there. Their 10k freeroll...

Sunset Slots are US facing, of course the reason for their failure to become accredited is important. If Bryan puts them on reservation and on a player basis "good to go", players still are going to play there. If Bryan tells us that they have the same owners as known rogues (only an example) their player database from here will decrease as much as Rushmore's when they implemented the rule about deposit in the last two months to be able to play their freeroll...

My own thoughts when it comes to Sunset Slots and their "new" sister Grand Fortune:

Sunset Slots have paid players here very quickly, even during weekends, Are they going to do this at Grand Fortune as well? If so, they have to be the quickest RTG casino when it comes to non us players and ewallets. Am I right?

Can Sunset Slots rep answer this one?

 

[Balthazar]

Personally, I'm happy that Bryan is looking out for OUR interests as players. The exact whys and whos are irrelevant to me, as I'm happy to take him at his word.

Nifty the "you should trust Bryan" guilt trip is getting old. This isn't a trust issue, I was simply expressing my sentiment about not knowing important things.

 

[ChillBill]

tin foil hats not required

Wish Bryan had preempted that into his post, now I have to pack mine away

 

[maxd]

Ok, but if they break the rules for accreditation ....

Then Bryan will do what's necessary. Again, rather obvious, no?

This isn't a trust issue, I was simply expressing my sentiment about not knowing important things.

Yes, there are many important things in this world that you don't know and in many cases that would be because it's none of your business. Clearly that applies to most of the rest of us too. If this comes as a surprise to you then I can only assume you have a lot of trouble sleeping at night.

The point here is that a casino can fail BoF for many more reasons than they are a bad casino. The case at hand is pretty obviously not a "good casino, bad casino" issue, it's a behind-the-scenes / corporate thing. Seemed to me that was more-or-less implied by Bryan's statement. And no, you are not generally privy to that kind of information, nor should you be.

Read between the lines a little: information will be disclosed when the business people get their shit together and almost certainly not before. Live with it.

 

[Balthazar]

Live with it.

Did you guys feel like I was attacking Bryan? Because it looks like it.

Are you having a bad day Max?

 

[maxd]

Are you having a bad day Max?

Not particularly, thanks for asking.

Were you attacking Bryan? I wouldn't put it that way but your statements certainly seemed to me to be saying that you thought things you should know were being hidden from you. I'm saying no, what needs to shared will be in due course. One way or the other you need to make your peace with that.

AFAIK you have no reason to believe that Bryan would compromise the Accred list nor would he try and pull one over on the membership. Implying that he would is misguided at best. So yes, there is an element of trust here. Again, that should not come as a surprise.

 

[SunSet Slot Ops]

The reason for a failing BbF is quite important to many players here! Some casinos who failed have continued to have many players from here, mainly US facing casinos. Lucky Club Casino failed because they couldn't decide whether they belong to Jackpot Capital or Intertops. Mainstreet casinos failed because they have bonus terms that are a bit unfair for non-US/non-Canadian players, according to Bryan. All these casinos are probably having a lot of players from here. I remember when Rushmore lost their act completely, still many players from here continued top play there. Their 10k freeroll...

Sunset Slots are US facing, of course the reason for their failure to become accredited is important. If Bryan puts them on reservation and on a player basis "good to go", players still are going to play there. If Bryan tells us that they have the same owners as known rogues (only an example) their player database from here will decrease as much as Rushmore's when they implemented the rule about deposit in the last two months to be able to play their freeroll...

My own thoughts when it comes to Sunset Slots and their "new" sister Grand Fortune:

Sunset Slots have paid players here very quickly, even during weekends, Are they going to do this at Grand Fortune as well? If so, they have to be the quickest RTG casino when it comes to non us players and ewallets. Am I right?

Can Sunset Slots rep answer this one?

Hi Maphesto,

Of course we will strive to pay our players just as quickly on Grand Fortune as we do on Sunset - our main aim has always been (and will continue to be) to provide a seamless gaming experience for our players and we have carried this over to Grand Fortune. This means that you can look forward to the same level of service and quick payouts regardless of which brand your on.

Best,
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[Nifty29]

Nifty the "you should trust Bryan" guilt trip is getting old. This isn't a trust issue, I was simply expressing sentiment about not knowing important things.

So is the "everything is a conspiracy" BS fest.

He knows stuff that you don't, as as a consequence, he says Sunset can never become accredited. Good enough for me.....knowing the exact details won't change that.

What next? You want Max to publish all documents and communications relating to every PAB, including account numbers home addresses, so that you can accept the final decision he makes?

You see, it really IS a matter of trust.

 

[bigjohn]

I don't see it as a matter of trust or of needing to know or of inside info or having a bad day. To me the bottom line is that whoever the owner/webmaster of any given website is they will publish information they want to publish and will withhold information they don't want to publish, for whatever reason.

If that is good enough for you than that's fine, if it's not than you might have to do some digging yourself and see what you can find, anyways, Bryan did say he would explain later.

 

[maxd]

Well and concisely said.

 

[dunover]

Curiosity is natural, it's what makes us human and increase our understanding of things. On the other hand, if I wander down the street and find the Police have sealed it off and turn me back without explanation, that's OK. There could be a terrorist incident, a bomb scare, a building further down showing signs it's going to collapse or a gas leak. Whichever it is, the decision to stop me going down the street was for my safety. I'm glad they were looking out for me.

 

[chuchu59]

Did you guys feel like I was attacking Bryan? Because it looks like it.

Are you having a bad day Max?

I honestly don't think you were attacking Bryan. Its just that you wished to know more as previously most if not all BOF cases passed and one that fails certainly makes one concerned. By the same token Max isn't having a bad day. He always writes like that and that's why he is the PAB guy.