Baptism by Fire - success Slotsmagic (was Jackpot Party)

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One very good plus point for this place is the excellent customer service. If they could just get the community chat back and i can get back to seeing GLINNNNNDA BUBBLES BIG WIN OMFG... I do miss all that lol.

IS there Nobody else out there who is completely missing Riches of Rome/Jungle Cats Life of Luxury Slots?


Bah, Sort it Out WMS, :p
 
True but nearly all online casino's take credit cards so this is not solely a Slotsmagic issue and probably should be on it's own thread. Ladbrokes also had that stupid rule no bonus unless deposit with credit card. I think casinos do it because perhaps it costs them less in fees to process credit/debit cards then it does other methods. That's just my opinion.

PS I do want to see that third party credit card use removed. No casino should allow such a thing IMHO.

"Most casinos" accept credit cards, but they don't try to steer players towards playing on credit, and away from methods of deposit that require them to have up front access to the money they are gambling.

It can't be about the fees, because the rep can't disclose any reasoning on a public forum, as though there is some dark secret about non credit card deposits that they want as few people knowing about as possible.

It's actually bollocks, I have found by experimentation that I can empty an MGS fruitie just as easily from a credit card deposit as any other. I would love to demonstrate this, but sadly I can't as such things no longer exist as of lunchtime Friday.

What they WILL get are increasingly frustrated customers who will be lured into using their credit card by the carrot of it being the only way to get the best boni, only to realise how damn frustrating it can be to have their bank's trigger happy software flag 50% of their attempts as potential fraud, and lock the card until the verification contact has been made and completed successfully, by which time they can try the deposit again, only to find that the bonus offer has by then expired. Some won't know any better, but others will question why the easy and trouble free deposit methods are a pariah for the casino, whereas the troublesome ones are what they want players to use.
 
"Most casinos" accept credit cards, but they don't try to steer players towards playing on credit, and away from methods of deposit that require them to have up front access to the money they are gambling.

It can't be about the fees, because the rep can't disclose any reasoning on a public forum, as though there is some dark secret about non credit card deposits that they want as few people knowing about as possible.

Wouldn't suprise me if credit card companies have a higher percent of non-payers when it comes to gambling. Here in Norway even the gambling company owned by the state can't take credit cards, and personally i think it's pretty fair. We weren't even allowed to buy booze or wine on credit until a few years ago. But as you if it was about a higher percentage of non payers I guess the fees for those kind of transactions would be higher, and they arent.
 
Thanks for your comment about our Customer Service
and community chat will be back

Can't give you a date though but I will keep you posted

One very good plus point for this place is the excellent customer service. If they could just get the community chat back and i can get back to seeing GLINNNNNDA BUBBLES BIG WIN OMFG... I do miss all that lol.

IS there Nobody else out there who is completely missing Riches of Rome/Jungle Cats Life of Luxury Slots?


Bah, Sort it Out WMS, :p
 
Wouldn't suprise me if credit card companies have a higher percent of non-payers when it comes to gambling. Here in Norway even the gambling company owned by the state can't take credit cards, and personally i think it's pretty fair. We weren't even allowed to buy booze or wine on credit until a few years ago. But as you if it was about a higher percentage of non payers I guess the fees for those kind of transactions would be higher, and they arent.

They are here in the UK. Those card providers that still allow gambling transactions have introduced a specific category for them, whereas in the past they were treated as regular purchases, for which there were no fees. Now, some card companies charge a 2% fee on gambling transactions, along with interest rates of up to 30% per year from the day it is debited from the card. It acts as a strong deterrent to the responsible gambler who would prefer to have that extra 2% in their bankroll at the casino, but it does nothing to deter someone "on tilt" who is chasing with whatever money they can get hold of and into the casino. The problem is that with credit cards, you can chase way beyond the point of being completely broke, and can then delay the inevitable by weeks, even months, by juggling several credit cards. When things eventually fail, they fail big, with huge debts and no means for the card company to recover them from their customer. Presumably the fees are to mitigate the losses from these bad customers.

The easy way for casinos to circumvent the problem is to miscode the transactions the same as they do in the US. It will allow players to make deposits without the card company or their bank detecting them as being gambling related, but it would not look too good if this was found out by the banks or the UKGC.

I had ONE casino, accredited here, that regularly ran my card deposits through as "software purchase", and charging 1p less than the true amount. It was completely unnecessary as I am in the UK, and it was a card that held out longest in treating gambling as purchases. If anything, me suddenly buying £699.99 worth of software twice weekly from a South African company should have looked damn suspicious, and it didn't reflect too well on the card provide that they just let it go through without their fraud department checking with me that I was actually making these transactions.

It also made me realise that now that card companies deter gambling transactions, they would still slip through as "software purchase", with no fees, no interest from day one, and with a merchant effectively breaching EU anti money laundering regulations.

If casinos really are preferring credit cards above other methods, they are unlikely to want to lose the option altogether, and some may look to these tricks originally developed for the US market and use them within the EU.

This could expose them to the "accidental chargeback", because a UK customer would expect a £700 deposit to go through as £700 "for gambling", and if they got a call from their bank asking "Have you been purchasing £1399.98 worth of Software in the last week?", they could easily say "No" and the bank would react as though it was fraud, which would mean a chargeback for £1399.98 being put through.

Since I knew how the US dodge worked, being a member here, I did NOT contact my bank because I realised that what I was really seeing on my statement were the two £700 deposits that I had made and lost. How many UK players would figure this out when under pressure by their banks fraud team on the phone, as opposed to answering "No, I didn't buy any software". Even if they later figured out what had happened and told the bank it was OK after all, it would drop the casino right in it with the regulators.
 
Well i'll post about my experience

I was a reg on jpp it was my favorite site when slots took over i gave them a chance and was very disappointed

The games kept crashing and had a real bad lag

I got the 100% bonus and was told i could only use it on certain games which where awful

They lost me after 1 session one of the worst experiences i've had online
 
yea, it was bad in the beginning as I explained in a previous post .
I can only ask you to give it another try. The games are working flawlessly and all of our bonuses are now available for all WMS games.


Well i'll post about my experience

I was a reg on jpp it was my favorite site when slots took over i gave them a chance and was very disappointed

The games kept crashing and had a real bad lag

I got the 100% bonus and was told i could only use it on certain games which where awful

They lost me after 1 session one of the worst experiences i've had online
 
Hi Krystal I was wondering if you looked at my post about Slotsmagic allowing third party credit card deposits and if you would care to comment? I have mentioned it several times in this thread already. Thanks:)
 
As I mentioned over the weekend please find below as full as explanation as I can give as to our strategy and tactics regarding the migration of players from JPP to SlotsMagic.

Hopefully it covers all the issues raised by this community in posts about the change from JPP to SlotsMagic.

In fact, handover is a good word. We had been working with WMS for some months after concluding the deal to acquire the assets of JPP and the plans were worked out by both Companies with differing objectives.

From our point of view we wanted to maximize the number of players migrating, why pay huge sums for a database of players and then not do everything possible to get all the same players to move across to the new software? We would be crazy not to do it and financially irresponsible not to try and make it 100% if possible. So our marketing plan was as you know it, entice existing players about changes coming, inform them that their accounts have been transferred, offering free money and other incentives and then a full range of bonus and other offers to get them to move across.

No apologies here, we run a business and this was our initial marketing strategy. We actually did it well and had a huge uptake of the offers with a lot of players moving across to SlotsMagic.

From Scientific Games side they wanted a professional takeover as they had vested a lot in the name JPP and still do today. Our tactics were approved and cleared as well by the different Licensing Jurisdictions we have to answer to. One major decision was that the announcement of the sale and the date of Migration would not be disclosed prior to the actual date of handover. We complied.

There was no deception just good and well recognized business and marketing practice that has been used for years when migrating players from one platform to another. – again, the overall deal and marketing plan was presented fully to the Alderney and Malta regulators who knew that the players affected were being transferred to a reliable, safe, multi- jurisdiction, multi-licensed operator. They also knew that we had a procedure in place for users that did not want to migrate (this was a requirement for the plan to be accepted)

And now we have many thousands of happy customers who used to play on JPP and now play at SlotsMagic

I also saw a few comments about users not being given the choice as to whether their data was sold or not (email and website referred to ‘already purchased’). It’s true that your data was passed to SlotsMagic but it’s also true that you could have contacted us to have your details removed. The option was explained in the email sent just prior to the new site being made available and it was also on the jackpotparty.com – quite a few users took this option and of course we complied.

There was a post regarding the ‘password’ so I’ll address that now.

There were no passwords sent from JPP to SlotsMagic, in fact SlotsMagic still don’t have your JPP password. How the log-in works is that you input your password – our gaming system then connects to an algorithm which creates a hash and salt value of your password (each a long list of characters). This hash and salt value is then matched to the hash/salt value which JPP gave to SlotsMagic – if it matches you are in, if not you are not.

The last things I’d like to address are the few comments about why Scientific Gaming didn’t sell the whole casino platform and a final comment about the games. Regarding the platform – it would have been very unlikely that an operator with no platform of their own was going to buy JackpotParty – if that had happened they’d need to start from ground up with servers, staffing, license, procedures, operational buildings…so what that left was for Scientific to sell to an established operator and for an established operator it makes a lot more business sense to buy the user data and migrate them to their platform.

The flip side to this (an established operator buying the whole gaming platform) would have been a lot more difficult and expensive project for the operator. They (we!) would have had 2 gaming systems running on different technology to support, two completely different backoffices meaning that customer support had to look in 2 places and financial reporting coming to different sources. There’s a lot more to it obviously, but that’s the reason that the sale was a data sale and not technology.

Lastly about the games – Scientific/WMS have had their games online for a while and made a business decision about what to keep and what to remove. Unfortunately this was not under our control. What we added was a large catalogue of own produced games , content from Next gen, Amaya and Aristocrat with many more to come. No one can replace a game you love or are used to but we certainly tried to offer alternatives which had proven success . Now new favorites are being discovered and our commitment to new slots and games is our priority so you will always find something fresh and exciting at SlotsMagic




Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but after discussing things internally we have decided to make one post regarding the migration of players from JPP to SlotsMagic and our marketing strategy to make it a successful handover. There have been quite a few posts on this subject so please bear with me until Monday/Tuesday and hopefully I will be able to cover all the points raised including yours.
 
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From our point of view we wanted to maximize the number of players migrating, why pay huge sums for a database of players and then not do everything possible to get all the same players to move across to the new software? We would be crazy not to do it and financially irresponsible not to try and make it 100% if possible. So our marketing plan was as you know it, entice existing players about changes coming, inform them that their accounts have been transferred, offering free money and other incentives and then a full range of bonus and other offers to get them to move across.

No apologies here, we run a business and this was our initial marketing strategy. We actually did it well and had a huge uptake of the offers with a lot of players moving across to SlotsMagic.

To be fair though the site didn't actually work. You purchased a database of WMS players and the one thing on your site that didn't work was WMS games.

It took a very very long time to fix the problems by which stage people had lost interest and started playing elsewhere.

If your site actually worked from day one then you could easily have migrated 90+% of active JPP players without hassle.

I'm sorry but I don't think I would call the migration a job well done. At the time it felt like a complete disaster. I wanted to play at SlotsMagic but couldn't as the games wouldn't load. With JPP gone the only option was to find another site to play at.

Hopefully though the technical problems are gone forever and things move forward from here.
 
yea, it was bad in the beginning as I explained in a previous post .
I can only ask you to give it another try. The games are working flawlessly and all of our bonuses are now available for all WMS games.
Having seen some vids on youtube i can see the lag is gone/better on the download version i heard

The only reason i played on jpp was for the wms slots and the jpp but to be told i had to play the bonus off you on certain games kind of grated me i may comeback and give it a whirl in the future
 
Just chipping in here, I have resolved the issues I had with closing my account down now, to be fair Krystal kept in contact with me and handled the situation well over PM. She's explained the reasons it happened and gave me assurances about it not happening again, which I am happy with.

Of all the issues, let's hope that having an active and efficient rep on the site will make things better there.
 
So, any good experiences to report, lol?

8 pages in and still waiting. Rep says they have many happy customers, so where are they? Like to hear their experiences.

Personally, I told the rep I had major technical issues when they first started and I tried them with the $10 no deposit bonus. Her response to me was that this couldn't be possible because I'm from Australia, and the issues were only on games restricted to my country. WTF? Ok, so I just made it up then. So why didn't I make my first deposit after? Those on this site that know me, know I'm not short of a dollar, and am always happy to try a new trusted site and sub.

I find the reps response offensive, and for that reason I will never play here, and they lose a potential regular high depositor. Well done SM, lol.

You try to show a new site a bit of support, and get smacked in the face in return. You'd think they would want all the support they can get given the extremely poor reputation they have here already.

Should have known better, and trusted the other members previous comments. Stick to the proven sites, and give these pretenders a miss.

Good luck SM, cause you'll need it with that attitude. Obviously I vote a big no for passing the BOF.
 
My experience

So today I made my first deposit at Slotsmagic and took the welcome bonus. Had a few hours of enjoyable play. Some WMS games had a slight lag every now and again and a couple got stuck and had to be reloaded. I did enjoy my session even though I had 50euro wiped out playing 300 shields at 0.25 bets now I hate that game and don't know what all the fuss is about:confused: Anyway I did have occasion to contact live chat at the start and found them very helpful. So all in all it was a good experience.

Now if I could get Krystal to answer my question which I have posed on this thread many times and have not gotten a response:( I feel like throwing all my toys out of the pram. I will quote my original question and see if I get an answer as I feel this is an important issue:

I also found in the t&c's that you can deposit via someone else's credit card which should be a no no as far as I am concerned. When I read this I recalled the story of member louiseboxx on this forum a couple of weeks ago. This practice could encourage such behaviour. AFAIK no other casino allows you to do this and rightly so. I think this term definitely needs to change ASAP.

Players who make a credit card deposit using someone else’s credit card, will be requested to provide copies of the credit card, ID documents from the credit card holder and Slots Magic account holder and will be sent via email a Letter of Authority form. This form must be signed and completed by the Credit Card Holder and the Slots Magic account holder.
 
I am amazed you have posted this attack on SlotsMagic and me.

You have either misread ,misunderstood or just ignored my answer in our private messages or your plan was to do this anyway if I didn't give you any free money.

Please give me permission to publish our Private Messages so this Community can judge the veracity of your ridiculous and unnecessary post


So, any good experiences to report, lol?

8 pages in and still waiting. Rep says they have many happy customers, so where are they? Like to hear their experiences.

Personally, I told the rep I had major technical issues when they first started and I tried them with the $10 no deposit bonus. Her response to me was that this couldn't be possible because I'm from Australia, and the issues were only on games restricted to my country. WTF? Ok, so I just made it up then. So why didn't I make my first deposit after? Those on this site that know me, know I'm not short of a dollar, and am always happy to try a new trusted site and sub.

I find the reps response offensive, and for that reason I will never play here, and they lose a potential regular high depositor. Well done SM, lol.

You try to show a new site a bit of support, and get smacked in the face in return. You'd think they would want all the support they can get given the extremely poor reputation they have here already.

Should have known better, and trusted the other members previous comments. Stick to the proven sites, and give these pretenders a miss.

Good luck SM, cause you'll need it with that attitude. Obviously I vote a big no for passing the BOF.
 
I to experienced alot of lag in the beginning, but it has gotten better. Ive had the same issue on all Skillonnet casinos and WMS games. For me atleast. But all the sites ive played recentley including Slotsmagic seams to run better now.

I also cashed out from Slotsmagic and the only negative thing i have to say about the casino is that the money was pending for 24-48 hours and then took almost a week to hit my bank account. Recentley cashed out from a different Skillonnet casino and that money hit my account in 1 day. So im not sure why it took so long for Slotsmagic? As i`m sure they all use the same payment company?

I also have one question about the RTP on your games.. Does your WMS slots run on the same RTP as other WMS casinos or lower? What are the % on Ruby Slippers and Bruce Lee?
 
Ok, i have question to a rep also.
Few years ago, i was working in queen vegas casino as dedicated affiliate manager. I have direct contact with owners of casino, etc.
The thing is, that no one, even owners of white label, can not resolve any player problem, because everything decide directly skill-on-net. Nothing, if player had problem, even owner of casino have nothing to do.
So, did slots magic is white label of skill on net? Did you have chance to really help players? IF yes, this is wonderful, thanks.
 
Sorry for the delay in answering but this is not my field of expertise so I needed to talk to our Cashiers for guidance on this.

We do not accept third party deposits and we are clear on that from this term:

All winnings will be void if your name does not match the name on the credit card you use.


However the term you posted previously is obviously confusing things:

Players who make a credit card deposit using someone else’s credit card, will be requested to provide copies of the credit card, ID documents from the credit card holder and EUcasino account holder and will be sent via email a Letter of Authority form. This form must be signed and completed by the Credit Card Holder and the EUcasino account holder.

We had this term in place so that if someone did make a deposit with third party details we had the right to confirm whether the deposit was legitimate or not and the result of this check would help us decide how to deal with the matter.

But we have now decided to remove it.

Thanks for your patience

Krystal


Hi Krystal I was wondering if you looked at my post about Slotsmagic allowing third party credit card deposits and if you would care to comment? I have mentioned it several times in this thread already. Thanks:)
 
Sorry for the delay in answering but this is not my field of expertise so I needed to talk to our Cashiers for guidance on this.

We do not accept third party deposits and we are clear on that from this term:

All winnings will be void if your name does not match the name on the credit card you use.


However the term you posted previously is obviously confusing things:

Players who make a credit card deposit using someone else’s credit card, will be requested to provide copies of the credit card, ID documents from the credit card holder and EUcasino account holder and will be sent via email a Letter of Authority form. This form must be signed and completed by the Credit Card Holder and the EUcasino account holder.

We had this term in place so that if someone did make a deposit with third party details we had the right to confirm whether the deposit was legitimate or not and the result of this check would help us decide how to deal with the matter.

But we have now decided to remove it.

Thanks for your patience

Krystal

Thank you very much Krystal. I am delighted to hear that news. I am glad that Slots Magic is making a real effort in order to resolve outstanding inconsistencies in the t&c's. I am looking forward to playing there again in the future:thumbsup:
 
the answers to your questions are yes and yes


Ok, i have question to a rep also.
Few years ago, i was working in queen vegas casino as dedicated affiliate manager. I have direct contact with owners of casino, etc.
The thing is, that no one, even owners of white label, can not resolve any player problem, because everything decide directly skill-on-net. Nothing, if player had problem, even owner of casino have nothing to do.
So, did slots magic is white label of skill on net? Did you have chance to really help players? IF yes, this is wonderful, thanks.
 
Thanks for reporting how things have improved

Regarding your cash out I have no idea why it took that amount of time but we do process most withdrawals in around 48 working hours. Perhaps some 3rd party event affected the actual delivery of the money to your account, sorry I cant be more specific.

What I can be specific about is the RTP

All casinos with WMS games have the same RTP.

The RTP for Ruby Slippers is 95.96%, Bruce Lee is 96.05% and Bruce Lee Dragons Tale is 95.92%

Krystal

I to experienced alot of lag in the beginning, but it has gotten better. Ive had the same issue on all Skillonnet casinos and WMS games. For me atleast. But all the sites ive played recentley including Slotsmagic seams to run better now.

I also cashed out from Slotsmagic and the only negative thing i have to say about the casino is that the money was pending for 24-48 hours and then took almost a week to hit my bank account. Recentley cashed out from a different Skillonnet casino and that money hit my account in 1 day. So im not sure why it took so long for Slotsmagic? As i`m sure they all use the same payment company?

I also have one question about the RTP on your games.. Does your WMS slots run on the same RTP as other WMS casinos or lower? What are the % on Ruby Slippers and Bruce Lee?
 
Another observation in the terms and conditions:

Unless stated otherwise, we ask that you wager a total of the purchase and bonus thirty times (30) before requesting a withdrawal. If the bonus is a no-deposit bonus then we ask you to wager the amount of the bonus eighty (80) times before requesting a withdrawal.

This makes it sound like the wagering requirement is 30x(D+B), when in fact the wagering is only 30xB at Slotsmagic. This would have been enough to put me off depositing had someone at Casinomeister not informed me that it was only 30xB.

I didn't play at Slotsmagic when the merger first happened, so never experienced any of the lag or annoying background music, but I have made a few deposits since they claimed to sort things out and the slots have played fine. I have had one withdrawal paid out with no issues, and have another two on the way which I'm not anticipating any problems with. :)
 
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