Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

[Guntis]

It is time to change subject to roulette...)

 

[paul7388]

It is time to change subject to roulette...)

Hate to say it but we just had a roulette is fixed thread that ran for months with the same people posting every day how it was fixed and how everyday they got cheated out of money. Until they got banned from here for being pain on the arses and the thread died

You can always read it here https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/evolution-live-roulette-stay-away-huge-scam.70532

 

[Guntis]

Hate to say it but just before you joined we had a roulette is fixed thread that ran for months with the same people postine every day how it was fixed and how everyday they got cheated out of money. Until they got banned from here for being pain on the arses and the thread died

Roulette is not fixed!Shall i remove the video?

 

[Tourettesguy]

 

[BillyGoldblum]

That fucking hilarious...They have no fucking shame programming...PErfect example of programmers never ever in their life even played a slot

To be fair its the first slot ive come across that its so blatant and bad. You would think when they test a game they would go hmmm that sure is alot of those symbols on the first two reels every time, lets fix it!

 

[interlog]

Is anybody interested to see admin panel of rigged online casino with Novomatic slots?
Video is bit old and not in english but you should get the point.
Video shows how many active players are online,amounts of their deposits,wins,loses,usernames,emails and e.t.c
Also it shows how simple is to adjust any game outcome for any player who is online.
In the end of video you will see how he adjusted Book of Ra to give out one bonus after other.Enjoy

P.S soon video will be removed!

What casino is that? One you wouldn't play at. No contract details, no license etc.

I bet your bottom dollar they are not genuine Novomatic games.

 

[Guntis]

What casino is that? One you wouldn't play at. No contract details, no license etc.

I bet your bottom dollar they are not genuine Novomatic games.

The name of casino you can see in beginning of the video.It is dodgy unlicensed casino with fake Novomatic in there.There is plenty of websites who sell this kind of softwares for casino platforms.
There is also Netent games which differ from original for example in Dead or alive slot you will see SCATTER symbols in bonus round which you won't see in genuine.As much as i know Novomatic is easiest to fake.

 

[interlog]

The name of casino you can see in beginning of the video.It is dodgy unlicensed casino with fake Novomatic in there.There is plenty of websites who sell this kind of softwares for casino platforms.
There is also Netent games which differ from original for example in Dead or alive slot you will see SCATTER symbols in bonus round which you won't see in genuine.As much as i know Novomatic is easiest to fake.

So why post that video? Now, if you showed me a video from a genuine licensed casino that did the same, I am all ears.

 

[Guntis]

This video has been posted with purpose to boost some people's knowledge!

 

[trancemonkey]

By your own words there you are admitting you can influence the result. When you say things like give free spins less.That means free spins are available and your job is to programme in how many times over a set amount of spins this should be awarded.If it was truly random there would be no set amount.You said there are various ways to lower the rtp.pay wins less often.give free spins less often.The amount of symbols on the reels hasn't increased so the permutations possible is the same but by your input telling it to pay less often etc you are influencing and therefore taking away true randomness.The mere fact a slot has a rtp percentage tells you it has been influenced/rigged/fixed/pre determined whatever we decide to call it otherwise the rtp would be unknown.

I think you would struggle to prove how little you know about slots any more than you have with this post. What you've said is nonsense.

And of course we can change the number of symbols on a reel for different RTP settings. Each RTP is completely different maths... we can change anything.

You really need to come to a Miester Meet or if I do a twitch AMA I'll explain as much as I can there but you're understanding of slots maths is totally wrong.

I'm not influencing the result ... I'm influencing the frequency results are randomly picked.

If I put 10 balls in a bag and get you to pick one, 9 are with nothing and one is worth 900. You give me 100 for every ball pick. The payout is 90% Right?

So to get to 88% i could pay you only 880 for the winning ball, or I could still pay 900 but now I'd have 100 balls but only 88 would pay 900 (or whatever it needs to be to get to 88%... I'm in bed and tired!)

The outcome is still random.

 

[trancemonkey]

Is anybody interested to see admin panel of rigged online casino with Novomatic slots?
Video is bit old and not in english but you should get the point.
Video shows how many active players are online,amounts of their deposits,wins,loses,usernames,emails and e.t.c
Also it shows how simple is to adjust any game outcome for any player who is online.
In the end of video you will see how he adjusted Book of Ra to give out one bonus after other.Enjoy

P.S soon video will be removed!

I do know of some places that use some extremely dodgy software (not legitimate) that purport to be novomatic but are not. If you visit illegal venues or play at dodgy sites I can not and will not say that I can be sure they are 100% fair.

As I've repeated I can only talk for the decent honest providers (most of them) like myself who stay well within the limits of legal and fair...

I'm pretty sure novomatic aren't the only ones to have ever been ripped off like this either...

 

[funnymunny]

For those who don't know already, Europe's (and possibly the world's) largest gambling exhibition is in London the week after next. There will be 100's of exhibitors from both land-based and online gaming sectors. You can sit-in on seminars, slot discussions and pitch-it events. Best of all, it's free to attend. (Registration is necessary before you go, but you can do so Outdated URL (Invalid). (Added bonus of course is the 'Meister Meet-Up'! ).


I urge all who have the vaguest passing interest in this industry to attend. (Especially the tin-foil hatters, and those who are interested in pursuing a career in this incredible sector).

Please please PLEASE come along - hopefully then this thread will finally be done. (Although sadly, I doubt it ).

 

[trancemonkey]

For those who don't know already, the largest gambling exhibition is in London next week. There will be 100's of exhibitors from both land-based and online gaming sectors. You can sit-in on seminars, slot discussions and pitch-it events. Best of all, it's free to attend. (Registration is necessary before you go, but you can do so Outdated URL (Invalid). (Added bonus of course is the 'Meister Meet-Up'! )

I urge all who have the vaguest passing interest in this industry to attend (especially the tin-foil hatters), and those who are interested in pursuing a career in this incredible industry. Please please PLEASE come along - hopefully then this thread will finally be done. (Although sadly, I doubt it ).

Here here!

 

[SpinUk]

Is anybody interested to see admin panel of rigged online casino with Novomatic slots?
Video is bit old and not in english but you should get the point.
Video shows how many active players are online,amounts of their deposits,wins,loses,usernames,emails and e.t.c
Also it shows how simple is to adjust any game outcome for any player who is online.
In the end of video you will see how he adjusted Book of Ra to give out one bonus after other.Enjoy

P.S soon video will be removed!

Trancemonkey - is this a genuine feature of all Novomatic holding casinos? If so it goes against all rhetoric about operators not being able to affect the outcome.

 

[Guntis]

SpinUk and Touretteguy -i think you will love to read information on this website

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[Bloatgoat]

In germany, suppliers of slot machines, where caught putting in hooks by using USB sticks. Basicly they licenced out genuine slot machines with pre-programmed RTP. Looks legit. But then for extra money added a USB stick which would limit the machine's payout in favour of the casino and supplier. So the software WAS actually genuine but by adding that USB stick it would payout alot less, and thus with some key combination gave winnings in favor. I am not bullshitting you. If i could find back that video on YT again i'd post it instantly. Problem is, even licenced company's have their tricks to extract more money then possible.

Trancemonkey - is this a genuine feature of all Novomatic holding casinos? If so it goes against all rhetoric about operators not being able to affect the outcome.

No it's obviously not. As stated before in this thread it was shown for demonstration purposes, to get the attention of people who wanted to run a bogus casino. Novomatic is very old. It's easy to get a copy and extend that software on your own. But it woud'nt suprise me if some automated AI is running on the background knowing the breaking point of a player. I had a few nummerous occasions myself on landbased casino, playing with player card. It's very strange some behaviour, that your pushing 1500 into a slot, nothing happens, and just on your last spin it boots you back up to what you started with. I woud'nt say it rigged, but i woud'nt call that random as well.

I'm sure that software does know your avg time spend, money spent, avg bets, breaking point and all that. AI is the perfect cannidate to encounter you on your players behaviour. Was'nt poker stars or some big brand in the past caught cheating with bots into their online poker games with some random and vague bots? Just saying.

I dont mind losing on slots. It's the game we play. But i'd like to lose 'genuine' and not being messed over because of some switch, program or setting that's into my disadvantage. That is what this thread is about.

SpinUk and Touretteguy -i think you will love to read information on this website

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Yeah this makes sense. I've played a long time online to know something was going on. It's somehow always compensating to get the numbers back to 95 ~ 97%. Some casino's base their RTP on bets vs wins and some casino's base their info on deposits vs wins.

2 big worlds if you ask me. We all go into playing to win money. Nobody is going to hit withdrawl when 200 was depositted and 202 is being taken out. Waste of time and transaction actually.

AI will be used in the casino floor. It woud'nt suprise me if this on large scale already being applied. We have VR porn with actress of your dreams being presented onto the body. Here, have a look:

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With all the casino data being generated daily, it woud'nt suprise me if the above link adaptive mathematics being applied on large scale. More profit for the casino floors!

 

[trancemonkey]

Trancemonkey - is this a genuine feature of all Novomatic holding casinos? If so it goes against all rhetoric about operators not being able to affect the outcome.

I would very much doubt it - if it was, they would lose their licence instantly in every decent jurisdiction in the world!

 

[Steviedoo]

maybe this thread should be renamed....slot conspiracies?

 

[Tourettesguy]

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Think this have been arourd for a long time...almost always when you change to a completly new game or change bet behaviour things happens with the payout and randomness of payout... Getting stuck to a slot a long time it will be cold and no change at all...take Bonanza for ex or any other slot you love atm. And when you are short on cash and get stuck on betting only small bets you tend to only lose and lose...but when you have a loaded bank account and start at bigger bets on slots you tend to win and feel a flow. Atlest Ive had that feeling many times...Ive always planned to start playing all slots on a casino, make 100 bet on each and then change slot, just to see what happen when you bet different bets here and there..but I ofcoarse get stuck at one of my favorites.

And sometimes its like the casino cashier and software know how much you have on your bank accoiunt or NETELLR account cause you often win alot on that last deposit you can afford to do...but ofcoarse I know that is not true. But I do beilve the math program adapts to each players behaviour on some ways.. like getting better payout after a certain amount lost or number of deposit on same session or in a week or like that...and ofcoarse lower your payout after a huge win/cashout session, but I somewhat accept that.

 

[trancemonkey]

maybe this thread should be renamed....slot conspiracies?

Or "untrue things about slots"

Think this have been arourd for a long time...almost always when you change to a completly new game or change bet behaviour things happens with the payout and randomness of payout... Getting stuck to a slot a long time it will be cold and no change at all...take Bonanza for ex or any other slot you love atm. And when you are short on cash and get stuck on betting only small bets you tend to only lose and lose...but when you have a loaded bank account and start at bigger bets on slots you tend to win and feel a flow. Atlest Ive had that feeling many times...Ive always planned to start playing all slots on a casino, make 100 bet on each and then change slot, just to see what happen when you bet different bets here and there..but I ofcoarse get stuck at one of my favorites.

And sometimes its like the casino cashier and software know how much you have on your bank accoiunt or NETELLR account cause you often win alot on that last deposit you can afford to do...but ofcoarse I know that is not true. But I do beilve the math program adapts to each players behaviour on some ways.. like getting better payout after a certain amount lost or number of deposit on same session or in a week or like that...and ofcoarse lower your payout after a huge win/cashout session, but I somewhat accept that.

You believe the games adapt?
Some people believe in God... but he's not real either

 

[goatwack]

Or "untrue things about slots"


You believe the games adapt?
Some people believe in God... but he's not real either

To think, I used to be Jehovah's Witness. Oh yeah.

Not so much these days. That's why I'll let that comment slide

 

[paul7388]

Or "untrue things about slots"


You believe the games adapt?
Some people believe in God... but he's not real either

Can you prove that tho lol

 

[Guntis]

As i said in my previous post that slots are not my favorite casino game but i do play them time after time.
My knowledge about programming and coding is close to zero so i do not know how programmers programm their slots.
I'm not against programmers,casino and people who work there.If i play in casino and lose it means it is my own fault as i played and played in wrong place and wrong time!
Sometimes i call casino "a bank" as it works pretty similar to bank.From bank you borrow and pay back with % on top but in casino you win and then lose more than you won....
Yeah that's right don't stay on one bet size for long as adaptive will kill your balance.I reckon the software can determine your way of playing of course give you some winnings
but slowly eat your balance.Normally "maxbet" changes behavior of slot almost instantly.Also if slot pays "big win" it pays without long waiting!I won't say much as on that website obove is lots of info.You can read and make conclusion!

 

[lockinlove]

I stopped reading when you said Reactoonz.

That game is not rigged.... it is just gawd damn awful.

you know whats so strange is you seem to have insane lucky on bonanza but horrible luck on reactoonz. I feel like you do about reactoonz but about bonanza. And vice versa. Honestly some of your vids and screenshots ive seen, I havent experienced some of those ever.

 

[interlog]

you know whats so strange is you seem to have insane lucky on bonanza but horrible luck on reactoonz. I feel like you do about reactoonz but about bonanza. And vice versa. Honestly some of your vids and screenshots ive seen, I havent experienced some of those ever.

I agree. Just yesterday afternoon I was playing at a casino. Played some Yggdrasil for a change and managed to make a £300 profit. Left £100 to play with on Bonanza at £1 a spin and, yet again, the bonus drops in within 50 or so spins for a plus 200x win.

Every time I touch Bonanza I get a bonus within a reasonable amount of time. OK, they are not all 200+ wins but I don't experience what others are experiencing in terms of bonus frequency. That never used to be like that. Right at the start when it was first released I stopped playing Bonanza for a while because of what you are experiencing.