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Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by Tourettesguy, Mar 9, 2017.

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    Mar 9, 2017
  1. Tourettesguy

    Tourettesguy Troll - PITA

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    Wow...I get so pissed when I hear everythign here and that slots dont have memory and all that bullcrap. I see rigged event each and every game session...things that cannot happen if game actually were random.

    Its pure evel programming for most effective way to steal players money... All these "newer" casinos give same answers copied and pasted from the software providers intructions and tell me they are acredited and have licence and games are fully tested and they have no control over the games....LOL....so what?? Whatta joke! Close your accounts and run, Ive seen it all and Im done. Good bye disaster slow casinos Chancehill and Trada (weired bonus system too, not even I understund it except an expired bonus still have to be wagered on next deposit... lol)
     
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  3. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Wow, you must be the angriest member in this forum. Have you ever written a positive post? One where everything isn't rigged or you are planning to close account, questioning everything?
    I really hope for your sake that you get yourself another hobby because being that angry all the time you can't have much fun. If you feel like you do you should of course not play.
     
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  5. Tourettesguy

    Tourettesguy Troll - PITA

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    Maybe Im right now... So many here falling for this explanations here... think this trancemonkey is sent out by the developers convincing the 50% of the players here thinking gamese are rigged and thinking of quite donating money to the developers but still wear the "I want do believe" t-shirt and are easily convinced by someone spending a workday (<----problably payed workday) answervering questions about anything about slots...lol....

    Fillign the same purpose as delaying withdrawals....many weak players continue play 50% or more comeback again.... If you see somethign that is too strange to be random...it probably is not random. And all of us have see it many times...still we stick our heads in the sand. This sad...open your eyes when playing and recognize the patterns!! Everyhting is fake....its a lottery..and the longer you play the risk of winning get smaller and smaller.

    And yes, Im gonna stop playing one way or the other now.. Ive on a good start when I dont have any more of this newer copycat casinos(VS, Casumo, Vera John....all those 300 casinos) .all permanently closed. And think about it...the MOST you can win normaly is around €5000-€10,000 ....very few here win that much...and that is NOT a lifechanging win either if you are one of those few....and if you win that much, you probably play it away following days....most of us would do it!

    Take my word...Ive been around playing online longer than this forum, Ive seen it all and done it all. And Im ashamed getting involved in this part of the internet. You really believe slots and poker are random? Its not...online poker ive stayd away from but its even more evel programmed to eat up plyers balances in fees...no skill online. Ofcorase players play alot win more often...but still no skill. The software decide and compenaste in real time to make most profit...
     
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  7. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    As been said many times in this thread it is about trust. If you don't trust them or the industry you should not play.

    I trust the places where I play. But the most important thing is that I play to get entertained, like others go to the pub using the money, or on a movie.
    Every deposit I make I can afford to lose, and I count on doing that too. If I win then fine, my next deposit will be free. It's still for the fun of it and when it stops being fun I'll quit too!
     
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  9. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    I don't know trance from Adam so I can't swear everything he says is true. But then. .I've no reason to doubt him either. He's isn't selling these answers they're freely given.

    But it isn't just about him. There are members here who've been involved in this industry in unlimited ways...players...reps..managers..owners..developers. ..people who know some of these people inside and out along with the industry.

    Nothing should be taken as fact because ' I said so'. I take is as fact with a healthy dose of questioning and reasoning because I listen, learn, build rapports and look at things clearly..neither from rose tinted glasses nor from under a tinfoil fat.

    Point blank..anyone who plays online slots yet is convinced they are rigged is an idiot..plain and simple. You either accept the places you play are on the up and up..while watching and following trends and news obviously..or take up knitting.

    Don't take it on blind faith. But good gods there's pragmatic and there's paranoia.
     
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  11. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

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    Do you think some of these unknown casinos can altar the rtp of a players session?

    I only ask because I watch a few twitch streams and I see one in particular go to videoslots and usually bet small ($2)compared to his other sites that arent as well known. Another weird thing Ive seen is they will cash out 150 euro on videoslots but would never imagine such a small cashout on their other unknown sites.

    Then $5 to $25 bets on other sites but never the well known ones. I will usually listen to it in the backround while im working and each and every day their session can last 6 hours and usually end in profit. I think the person said they have had 4 profitable months in a row all around 10k euro.

    I just always found it strange especially since its a pretty large sample size.
     
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  13. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

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    Seriously. You feel the casino's do this?...
    I'd stop playing and quick if that's your thoughts...
    Ok, some terms are aweful. And casinos get away with a hell of a lot of dodgy behaviour (even decent ones) but choose a accredited casino, preferably one on here, I guarentee if you break no rules, fully read there terms and adhere to them, then you won't have a problem...
    Betat, videoslots....casumo..casinoroom. Trada...unibet..need I go on?..
    Your rant is idiotic and totally unjust and unfounded.
    As TM has stated beyond a million times this thread...they don't rig games, they have no need to...
    If every time I took a spin on a game and thought it was rigged I'd stop.
     
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  15. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Yes, yes and treble yes!!!

    However I stand lonely in the worlds largest field in the rain, miles away from home on this one.

    Proving anything would be harder than a screen full of Jewels with a 100x multiplier on Bonanza so I simply think it and occasionally rant it but that's about it :oops:
     
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  17. Tourettesguy

    Tourettesguy Troll - PITA

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    What?? No need??....they have to do it to protect themselves ofcorase... There are numerous bulit in features in the software to this ofcoarse. Otherwise some lucky players always have luck at Immortal Romance...but ocourse its set in a way it turs cold for every accounts sooner or later..most often sooner. All slots mostly behave that way... And all singel accounts are separated and you fight your own payout...the slot remembers ofcoarse..so you have an avergae payout of 95%....you start at 100% at first spin...then goes up and down but steadily down...at all slots, all casinos.

    Trusting a casino to pay is one thing...but everything else you as a player dont see is just as important... I probably could name 50 different strange phenomas that repeat itself or happen happen too often to be random like getting a feature instantly when playing your last pennies for your last spin....or for ex. you start at €200...play down abit...often fist free spin/bonus feature nomatter when it comes..after losing €25 or €195 it very often takes you right back to toooo close €200(starting balance) Wonder if the slots feels when to trigger the free spins to get back to starting balance or if the slots decides the total win amount to reach starting balance when the feature comes...or if its preset long before when I reach €135 there is a feature there win a preset win amount of €65....3 possible ways...often it doen matter if you change bet from €2 spin to 20 cent spin...you get up there anyway... Big win or supermegawin does not matter....like you can force a supermega win on Gemix lowering to 10 cent spins just before you finishing the 3rd pattern...which you have filled playing €2 spins...

    Its pure bullsxxx everything...nothign random at all, your own account payout % rollercoaster is pre-set from beginning... And why for ex I hit 2 retriggers of 10 spins on Bonanza first gamesession ever...3 retriggers first time I play Kitty Glitter and fullscreen of higest paying symbols...on a Net Ent game first tiem I play it...and then 500,000 spins later on each slots ive never been near hits like that! Remember it have happen on other new slots too...well...it happen cause you have a blank gamestatement payout havent leveled out and payout rollercoaster are crazy in beginning...its a mathematical thing. Not random...

    Lots of slots pay in a way that is rigged to...how symbols stops... Some slots have this growing stacked wilds...reels almost coverd with wilds...still it rarely stopps on screeen...lol! Holy cxxx this is sxxx! haha

    And this tranceguy...what answer you have got from him? Ive heard in the US some guy stand talking about God on TV...getting rich as fxxx...how??
     
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  19. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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  21. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    From my own observations and countless funding of slots it can feel as though the games are compensated in some way, and that the slot does hold memory of your previous play - it's not beyond the realms of possibility, these are software programmes after all.

    So playing the same games at the same site almost always yields a downturn, unlike starting anew at a new site on the same game. Shouldn't happen with such alarming regularity.....why does the new site dish out such relatively big wins when it shouldn't matter where I play? Probably because it doesn't have to bring the RTP in line like at my regular casino!

    Given that most players have won and lost playing slots it's also not unreasonable to assume someone might carry on playing a dead slot and still question the game's supposed randomness, after all the game could spit out a strange sequence to favour the player too. I think you can still question the integrity of gameplay even when winning.....far worse is to just idly stand by and not ask for transparency.

    Blindly handing over fortunes to companies is not accepted anywhere else bar the online gaming industry, and we're still no closer to finding out the true extent of what goes on behind the scenes :cool:
     
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  23. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Questioning is smart. But here in lies a conundrum. In another thread we HAVE someone answering our questions in as so far as he's permitted. But then someone of course in turn will question either his integrity or motivation.
    About the only way to absolutely guarantee a software is to be involved with it. But here we go: if a player goes out and designs his own software or owns his own casino and comes back and says 'ok..I've been involved with the internal mechanics and I can say with certainty the games are random and fair' someone ELSE would join and say ' well of course you'd say that wouldn't you...you're the dev/owner..you're probably paid/incentivized to say that' and the cycle continues.

    We all know due to IP..internal politics/policies..NDAs etc we arent going to get to fully look under the hood as it were. We HAVE to some extent trust where we play.

    Yes. There's always ass holes and corruption..as in any field anywhere. But local governments are greater scrutizing casinos and I have to trust Bryan and max (and other members) not only well vet accredited casinos but inform us of any misdoings.
     
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  25. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I actually recognize some of the 'observations' you've made, like dropping stake to win, always getting a hit when just about to bust out and your own pay out % rollercoaster seems preset from the beginning. They've all happened to me several times, and still do. The thing you need here TG is CONTEXT. So yes, these observations are valid BUT due to their nature they are far more memorable than all the times they DON'T happen, and thus the picture gets skewed a fair bit.

    If you play a slot for 100k spins, inevitably there will be a crazy 100 spins somewhere that pay silly wins. Most of us won't play that many spins to see it happen, but it could happen in only the second 100 spins you play, same as your big win that you didn't see again for 500k spins. So the real odds get twisted in your head if it happens, and your expectations become unrealistic thereafter.

    Don't forget the law of large numbers - the longer you play a slot for the less it will deviate from its RTP, so yes you can have a large win quite soon and then it is highly likely to balance out quite noticeably - and yes it's still random when it does this! Throw a die and get 5 sixes in the first ten throws so you have a 50% rate of sixes, but I'll bet you by the time you get to 1000 throws the rate on sixes is about 15-17% as you would expect over that large amount of random throws.

    The issue is that slot play is transient, people despite what they claim often play a few hundred or thousand spins on any game at any particular casino and thus are always going to have a RTP significantly higher or lower than the TRTP of the game, due to the large range of outcomes possible and the relatively small sample size they have taken.
     
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  27. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

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    I've played at many a new casino, and never won a bean...I've never had a cashout at videoslots...ever...
    But there's a few casinos I'm still a member of where iam pretty well up...
    It is really random, they won't rig a slot as they have the edge anyways...small players they won't be bothered about as it's not worth there time, but take for instance a high roller, a £30 plus spin guy who they look after, at some point that guy will lose and the casino wins, its house edge it's a gamble...the odds are always on the house.
    It would make no legal sense, no business sence to rig anything.
    Also after all the foil hat theorys, why hasn't one, a single ex employee from a provider or casino ever provided any evidence for this?...reason?...it doesn't happen....there's no need for it to happen...
     
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  29. Simmo!

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    I wouldn't put it past a few companies in this industry to try and get away with stuff and personally, I tend to avoid casinos that make their own games. However whenever I question if something is fair I ask myself, after all these years, if something was wrong don't you think some disgruntled employee somewhere would have said something?

    Look at Absolute Poker and the hole card scandal. That didn't stay covered up for long. And look what it did: it bought the company down. Those are the stakes (forgive the pun) that any company caught cheating is dealing with. The house edge always means they're going to win so you have to question why a casino that has spent lots of time building a decent reputation would risk a very good income stream by cheating.

    I'm not saying it won't happen - we all start life as greedy and selfish after all and it can be hard to shake - but I just think if something was dodgy with one of the big providers chances are we would have heard about it. Fwiw, I started feeling a bit uncomfortable playing Playtech HV games which is why I stopped playing them (I still can't resist the odd LV one like Desert Treasure from time to time LOL) a while back but I've never seen or heard anything solid to base those thoughts on.
     
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  31. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

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    Totally. There is no way, as mentioned in my last post on here that this happens. It's just plain silly.
    You deposit, you win great whoop lets open a beer, you lose sadly you lose, open a beer anyways :)
    There is no rigging at a decent accredited casino, they have more to lose than a player does.
    This thread is madness haha
     
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  33. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    I'm stating that not everything is clear-cut with slots, and that 'rigged' isn't a dirty word - I believe that this works both ways, outside the slot's natural cycle. Almost like a compensatory mechanism to bring RTP in line but done in a purposeful, clumsy way. Hence the unnatural patterns that get shoehorned in but can also make the player win. It doesn't always have to be sinister :cool:
     
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  35. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Okay I just love the amount of people that say slots are totally rigged yet keep playing the damned things.

    We all know slots can be programmed to remember every time person has played them. You know that by looking at slots like TR2 where the feature pays according to average bets over past months or whatever since you last hit the feature.

    But Just because a slot gives 10 bonuses in a row that are crap does not mean its rigged. I am addicted to that bloody creature slot at the moment. Every time i get the bonus i expect it to pay next to nothing and usually it does but odd occasion it pays loads.

    So people might say thats because its rigged and it remembers you have had so many poor bonuses thats why you get the odd good one to compensate.

    Maybe thats true. But theres one casino where i can never get a good bonus on the game. Surely i was due it long ago lol. And theres Ladbrokes where ive had way above average good features. Surely i should be getting every bad feature there is there.

    I also do not believe for a second that players can play for years as some state without the possibility of a withdrawal.

    Sorry if thats the case then people must either be looking for to much and not cashing out when they can.

    I am lucky in the sense i never take bonuses. Deposits are small and most Withdrawals are not huge but they are still withdrawals.

    Say i deposit £20 and get a decent feature and have balance at £60 several times i will keep playing and lose it. But i also often deposit £10 or £20 and just withdraw £50 when ive played for a while. If i said i wont cash out till i reach a £100 each time i would probably not make those withdrawals.

    Also think maybe players should think about what sites they use. Might sound daft but although i can do well at sites like Guts and VS just no way i can ever seem to get run for money on a regular basis as i do at the main bookie sites. For some reason they just seem luckier and pay better.

    I often read that low rollers spend all day looking for best bonuses and wont deposit without them. Then they complain that they get good hits but wagering beats them and they never get to withdraw. Just do not get that. If you can only afford £20 then the extra £10 bonus is not going to make much difference . Just play with smaller amount and do not get greedy and i can guarantee that you will be in the position to make withdrawals more often than you are when taking the bonus.
     
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  37. Playford7

    Playford7 Senior Member

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    That is a very accurate and splendid post. Totally agree.
     
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  39. Steviedoo

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    ..you want your every spin to be a winner?

    and if it was rigged as you all say...it takes one, just one disgruntled employee to bring all of the developers down with the scandal of the century....sorry...and yes trancemonkey was sent to get us off their trail...just like i had suggested in his post...but i was joking.... alas...stop playing slots if you think its rigged....
     
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