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Silver Oak Casino warning

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I was bored one day and found a free chip offer for Silver Oak. Seems they were a part of Virtual but now aren't and want to clean up their rep. :D
So anyway I played and made the playthru and was able to withdraw the max of $75.

Before you start jumping up and down, I knew they were bad and never expected payment. But anyway, I made the withdrawal on 1/8. Now their website says: (this is copied from their site)

"SilverOakCasino prides itself with prompt payouts. All withdrawal requests will be processed within 4 to 7 business days. Requests must be made through the casino bank. Simply enter the amount you wish to withdraw, select a withdrawal method from the left hand side of the cashier screen, and we will notify you by email when your withdrawal is sent."

My withdrawal was finally approved on 1/28. Now they tell me that they don't know when the money will be sent because "winnings paid to depositing customers take precedent over free chip winnings because they have so many of the free chip winnings".

So this is a warning for any newbies or anyone else thinking about playing at this casino. Don't expect to be paid.
 
Thanks Anniemac! I've been sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to see how the Virtual rebrands had "turned over a new leaf." Geeze, kinda reminds me of a compost heap ....... and probably is just as moldy .......... :rolleyes: JTodd? Is Gambling Wages still paying their APCW fees? :p
 
I believe that the arrogant, annoying, smug & smarmy Chris DiAngelo is managing Silver Oak casino now... :eek:

Many will recall his ridiculous postings here on Casinomeister... when he was the casino manager for Palace of Chance and Cool Cat casino.

A loyal Virtual and Gambling Wages lacky... "Creepy Chris" is well known for stiffing, lying, making up all kinds of excuses... and is "Proud" of this... :rolleyes:

"Business as usual" at any casino "Creepy Chris DiAngelo" manages... :axeman2:
 
I was bored one day and found a free chip offer for Silver Oak. Seems they were a part of Virtual but now aren't and want to clean up their rep. :D
So anyway I played and made the playthru and was able to withdraw the max of $75.

Before you start jumping up and down, I knew they were bad and never expected payment. But anyway, I made the withdrawal on 1/8. Now their website says: (this is copied from their site)

"SilverOakCasino prides itself with prompt payouts. All withdrawal requests will be processed within 4 to 7 business days. Requests must be made through the casino bank. Simply enter the amount you wish to withdraw, select a withdrawal method from the left hand side of the cashier screen, and we will notify you by email when your withdrawal is sent."

My withdrawal was finally approved on 1/28. Now they tell me that they don't know when the money will be sent because "winnings paid to depositing customers take precedent over free chip winnings because they have so many of the free chip winnings".

So this is a warning for any newbies or anyone else thinking about playing at this casino. Don't expect to be paid.


...... and why is that may we ask (rhetorical), it's because of the deluge of SPAM that is flying around with this free chip offer and others.

Perhaps they have improved, in the past it would have been a flat refusal to pay at all:rolleyes:

They have missed the point (assuming they really intended to clean up their act). A player getting paid promptly the first time they are eligible to make a cash-in, means they personally start to trust the casino, amd may well deposit again. Making said player wait makes them think they have been screwed over, and will just be thankful it was on a free chip, and not their own money - they are unlikely to return, and the campaign is thus a waste of effort.

Silver Oak is the rebranded Crystal Palace casino, and Virtual at first denied they had bought these ex Warren Cloud operations, but now seem happy to put their name to them now they are trying to convince players they have cleaned up their act. J Todd believes they have, and deserve yet another chance, but Casinomeister members are going to be much harder to win over.
 
Harlo!

Hey Casinomeisters!

OK, so YES I do still work for Silver Oak lol. I unfortunately just am so busy I don't check this forum that often, but I'll try to come more often! Plus, I was back in Canada the past few weeks (I think I had Tim Horton's 3 times each day and gained about 15 pounds).

So I looked into this matter personally and was informed that the customer in question - Anniemac - was finally paid a few days ago.

Anniemac, if this isn't correct, can you please contact me ASAP and I'll get to the bottom of it? What happens a lot of times is we don't have the current contact information for someone, and if we can't contact them the payment is delayed. Still - over a month IS a longgggggg time to wait, I agree!

Now I'm not speaking for the payments department (and no the payments department isn't some strange, dark prison where they cackle and talk about how to screw people!) but judging by the numbers I've seen, I think that what's happening is since we've launched the new look site - I think it looks fantastic by the way, but I'm completely 100% biased haha - we've had so many new customers that we're not able to do as good a job as we would like because we're simply too busy!

I don't think that free chip players are treated that differently from our regular players, however, I would assume that if a long time player want something done they would get priority over someone who's using a free chip - that's a pretty normal thing to assume across any business right? Great point though Vinylweatherman, if we can get our approvals to where both levels of customers are treated the same that'd be really great. I think they've just hired a few new people so hopefully this will happen sooner rather than later.

Anyhoo, sorry for not being back sooner - I'll try to make casinomeister a part of my daily after work routine (just like ESPN.com and wwtdd.com, ok, ok and SOMETIMES tmz.com).

Also - mrracetrack - Chris DiAngelo doesn't manage Silver Oak Casino!

Anniemac NOOOO we don't want you to go away! We want you to stay and play and win and play some more! Email me personally and I'll look into this for you OK? Anyways, please give me your feedback on your whole Silver Oak experience no matter what - I can get more changes done with actual customer testimonials!

Also, spiderlegz +1 -- even if being dissed I appreciate a well-timed joke lol
 
Hey Casinomeisters!

OK, so YES I do still work for Silver Oak lol. I unfortunately just am so busy I don't check this forum that often, but I'll try to come more often! Plus, I was back in Canada the past few weeks (I think I had Tim Horton's 3 times each day and gained about 15 pounds).

So I looked into this matter personally and was informed that the customer in question - Anniemac - was finally paid a few days ago.

Anniemac, if this isn't correct, can you please contact me ASAP and I'll get to the bottom of it? What happens a lot of times is we don't have the current contact information for someone, and if we can't contact them the payment is delayed. Still - over a month IS a longgggggg time to wait, I agree!

Now I'm not speaking for the payments department (and no the payments department isn't some strange, dark prison where they cackle and talk about how to screw people!) but judging by the numbers I've seen, I think that what's happening is since we've launched the new look site - I think it looks fantastic by the way, but I'm completely 100% biased haha - we've had so many new customers that we're not able to do as good a job as we would like because we're simply too busy!

I don't think that free chip players are treated that differently from our regular players, however, I would assume that if a long time player want something done they would get priority over someone who's using a free chip - that's a pretty normal thing to assume across any business right? Great point though Vinylweatherman, if we can get our approvals to where both levels of customers are treated the same that'd be really great. I think they've just hired a few new people so hopefully this will happen sooner rather than later.

Anyhoo, sorry for not being back sooner - I'll try to make casinomeister a part of my daily after work routine (just like ESPN.com and wwtdd.com, ok, ok and SOMETIMES tmz.com).

Also - mrracetrack - Chris DiAngelo doesn't manage Silver Oak Casino!

Anniemac NOOOO we don't want you to go away! We want you to stay and play and win and play some more! Email me personally and I'll look into this for you OK? Anyways, please give me your feedback on your whole Silver Oak experience no matter what - I can get more changes done with actual customer testimonials!

Also, spiderlegz +1 -- even if being dissed I appreciate a well-timed joke lol

lets see Anniemac did her withdraw 1 month ago an you are sorta sayin in a roundabout way that ((( we don't have the current contact information for someone, and if we can't contact them ))) bet ya $5 no 1 even tried to contact her

Anniemac posted today (((I posted at APCW yesterday and have not had one comment one way or another. I thought that Gambling Wages and APCW were tight.

And by the way, no money and no contact with Silver Oak. I would imagine they hope I go away)))) NO MONEY

Since your new look if you cant do a good job then maybe its time to hire people that know waht they are doin

a FREE CHIP PLayer could be testing the waters an Anniemac could be a high roller a whale an guess what you woulda lost that player cause you put others 1st sure coulda found time to pay her well over a month site says 7 days not 1 month later an our preferred customers come 1st

you know they say when you assume you .........

Casinomeister should be put into your daily work schedule as it PERTAINS to what you do see if you woulda been doin it all along
Anniemac an others would not have been Ignored

IMO it sucks

Cindy
 
Hey Casinomeisters!

OK, so YES I do still work for Silver Oak lol. I unfortunately just am so busy I don't check this forum that often, but I'll try to come more often! Plus, I was back in Canada the past few weeks (I think I had Tim Horton's 3 times each day and gained about 15 pounds).

So I looked into this matter personally and was informed that the customer in question - Anniemac - was finally paid a few days ago.

Anniemac, if this isn't correct, can you please contact me ASAP and I'll get to the bottom of it? What happens a lot of times is we don't have the current contact information for someone, and if we can't contact them the payment is delayed. Still - over a month IS a longgggggg time to wait, I agree!

Now I'm not speaking for the payments department (and no the payments department isn't some strange, dark prison where they cackle and talk about how to screw people!) but judging by the numbers I've seen, I think that what's happening is since we've launched the new look site - I think it looks fantastic by the way, but I'm completely 100% biased haha - we've had so many new customers that we're not able to do as good a job as we would like because we're simply too busy!

I don't think that free chip players are treated that differently from our regular players, however, I would assume that if a long time player want something done they would get priority over someone who's using a free chip - that's a pretty normal thing to assume across any business right? Great point though Vinylweatherman, if we can get our approvals to where both levels of customers are treated the same that'd be really great. I think they've just hired a few new people so hopefully this will happen sooner rather than later.

Anyhoo, sorry for not being back sooner - I'll try to make casinomeister a part of my daily after work routine (just like ESPN.com and wwtdd.com, ok, ok and SOMETIMES tmz.com).

Also - mrracetrack - Chris DiAngelo doesn't manage Silver Oak Casino!

Anniemac NOOOO we don't want you to go away! We want you to stay and play and win and play some more! Email me personally and I'll look into this for you OK? Anyways, please give me your feedback on your whole Silver Oak experience no matter what - I can get more changes done with actual customer testimonials!

Also, spiderlegz +1 -- even if being dissed I appreciate a well-timed joke lol

lets see Anniemac did her withdraw 1 month ago an you are sorta sayin in a roundabout way that ((( we don't have the current contact information for someone, and if we can't contact them ))) bet ya $5 no 1 even tried to contact her

Contacting her definitely is NOT the problem. They know how to reach Anniemac. She's contacted the casino asking about her withdrawal several times, I've contacted them, they've been told about the posts at our forum, where Anniemac has been posting all along. It's not like she disappeared and they have no idea how to contact her. Contacting her is not a problem. If they tried, they had lots of ways to contact her.

So that excuse is no good.


I don't think that free chip players are treated that differently from our regular players, however, I would assume that if a long time player want something done they would get priority over someone who's using a free chip - that's a pretty normal thing to assume across any business right? Great point though Vinylweatherman, if we can get our approvals to where both levels of customers are treated the same that'd be really great. I think they've just hired a few new people so hopefully this will happen sooner rather than later.

So which is it? Are players treated differently when they're playing on a free chip rather than a deposit? Or aren't they?

You said you didn't think they were treated differently, then go on to say that a long time player would get priority over someone using a free chip. And that you assume a long time player would get priorty over a free chip player across any business, and that's normal.

NO, It's not normal. Every player should be treated well. What's the point of giving free chips if the players first experience is going to be a bad one, because you're not taking care of those players while they play at Silver Oak for the first time? First impressions are lasting impression. Remember that. If you don't have the staff to handle this, then hire more. Simple as that.

Don't assume that most business treat their customers and players like Silver Oak does, because they don't.

I requested a cashout at iNetBet the night before last. And yesterday, less than 24 hours later, I had the cash in my hand. The funds were wired to me that fast.

I did make a deposit at Silver Oak, and then used a free chip and cashed out from the free chip. My cashout was 1/25/09. It is now finally approved. But it now sits in limbo, no one can tell me for sure how I'll be paid, nor have they asked my details or how I want to be paid. They've told me it now has to sit for 10 business days before it's processed. Now that it's approved, it continues to sit with them.

So why does it take Silver Oak a month to do what it takes iNetBet 24 hours to do? Anniemac's will have waited a month in 2 more days. I've been waiting 12 days. (And no light in sight)

There's definitely something wrong with this picture.

My first deposit that I recently made, could have been the first of many. But because of the horrible way they handled support, and the "slow as molasses" way they process cashouts, I'll NEVER deposit there again.

I'm sorry BigDaddyMD,

I've tried talking to you at the casino, as well as some others. And this is just the most frustrating gaming experience I've ever experienced (other than from Crystal Palace Group casinos).

Until your casinos start treating players better, I'd not advise anyone to play here. Not even on a free chip.
 
Goodness gracious.

You know what guys, I'm trying to be as straight forward as possible and I don't B.S.

I'm sorry if everything doesn't always work out, but when I find out about cases like this I try to get to the bottom of it and implement changes to make it better for all customers. My intentions are honorable. When I come back online and see people attacking me after I post, I won't lie, it totally bums me out and makes me not want to even bother anymore on here.

Daera, I said in my post that her contact information might be the problem, not that it was. I don't' have access to her account so I can't say, I was just offering a possible explanation. You say we suck because of the "horrible way we handled support" - well, what exactly happened? Was an agent rude? Were you lied to? Give me information and I can act on it and make things better. At my old job we took a Fortune 500 company and completely revamped their customer service - I had a hand in changing their customer satisfaction from 72% to 89%, but even there we all knew that it doesn't happen overnight. However, if I get enough information and testimonials we can implement a new training protocol - but I need information, not "you guys suck".

I'm just a guy working to make a paycheque alright? I don't drive a BMW, I don't roll around in piles of money, I'm a 27 year old working his butt off to pay off student loans and save up for a house. Guess what? Most of the people in this company are in a similar boat - they're people with families working a 9-5.

Are we perfect? No. Are we trying every single day to a better job? Absolutely. Part of the reason why it takes so long to hire new people is we dont' just want anyone, or people who have worked for sheisty casinos in the past, we want nice hard-working people who want to be friendly with customers and help us change the site one customer at a time.

Call it lip service if you want, I really don't care. I came on here to be a liaison between upper management and the average customer - to find out where we're failing and address that going forward.

If you read my message you could tell that I was actually GENUINELY interested in solving Anniemac's problem - because if it's a glitch, if it's some technicality I could address that and then maybe make it so that it won't happen again for anyone!

As it is, Silver Oak has thousands of customers who play happily every day with no problems or complaints. We give out hundreds of thousands of dollars in prizes each month. Even the best sidewalk has some cracks, but that doesn't mean it's not worth walking on. I've got my cement truck ready and waiting, all I need to know is where the cracks are, not how terrible they are compared to the sidewalk across town.

I ask for your courtesy in addressing any issues on here. Treat me like I'm a guy behind the customer service counter at Best Buy please. I don't speak for the whole company, but with my input we can improve.

Thanks for all of your understanding.
 
Hi BigDaddyMD,

I'm sorry if my post sounded as if I was personally attacking you. That was not my intentions. But because you are the contact and therefore represent Silver Oak in this thread, when I say "you" and other things that seem like it's directed at you personally.......... I'm really directing at Silver Oak Casino.

Please don't take it personal.

You talk about getting bummed out. I can tell you all about being bummed out after playing at Silver Oak Casino.

Gambling is supposed to be fun. As a player, when I contact support and get wrong information, get different information then what's on site or what was said previous, it bums me out.

When I contact support asking who the manager is and when is a good time to reach him/her, and the support agent asks for my id, then takes it on himself to look at my account and instead of giving me what I asked for, the managers name and best time to reach him, he proceeds to repeat what the earlier support person told me in chat (which was wrong information). And then tells me a couple of times that I can contact the manager if I want, but he's JUST going to say the same thing they did and not going to give me what I was asking. He made that very clear. That kind of bummed me out too.

I'm just an ordinary girl. I'm not driving an expensive car, or have piles of money in every room of my house. Like most people, I'm getting by the best I can. We all are. We all have to work hard. So seeing you're a hard working guy just like the rest of us, you should understand how important our hard earned money is, and if it's intended to be used for entertainment, we want it to be pleasant.

You said you don't have access to Anniemacs account. Most support staff would have access to players accounts. Can I ask what your position is at the casino?

I know we don't live in a perfect world. And I don't expect things to be perfect. I guess I'm even more upset because someone I know who does work at your casino, told me things have changed, and that Silver Oak was going to be one of the best. And it really bummed me out to spend $50 and find out nothing has changed at all.

Anyway, none of this is directed at you personally. Please don't take it that way. :)
 
Goodness gracious.

You know what guys, I'm trying to be as straight forward as possible and I don't B.S.

I'm sorry if everything doesn't always work out, but when I find out about cases like this I try to get to the bottom of it and implement changes to make it better for all customers. My intentions are honorable. When I come back online and see people attacking me after I post, I won't lie, it totally bums me out and makes me not want to even bother anymore on here.

Daera, I said in my post that her contact information might be the problem, not that it was. I don't' have access to her account so I can't say, I was just offering a possible explanation. You say we suck because of the "horrible way we handled support" - well, what exactly happened? Was an agent rude? Were you lied to? Give me information and I can act on it and make things better. At my old job we took a Fortune 500 company and completely revamped their customer service - I had a hand in changing their customer satisfaction from 72% to 89%, but even there we all knew that it doesn't happen overnight. However, if I get enough information and testimonials we can implement a new training protocol - but I need information, not "you guys suck".

I'm just a guy working to make a paycheque alright? I don't drive a BMW, I don't roll around in piles of money, I'm a 27 year old working his butt off to pay off student loans and save up for a house. Guess what? Most of the people in this company are in a similar boat - they're people with families working a 9-5.

Are we perfect? No. Are we trying every single day to a better job? Absolutely. Part of the reason why it takes so long to hire new people is we dont' just want anyone, or people who have worked for sheisty casinos in the past, we want nice hard-working people who want to be friendly with customers and help us change the site one customer at a time.

Call it lip service if you want, I really don't care. I came on here to be a liaison between upper management and the average customer - to find out where we're failing and address that going forward.

If you read my message you could tell that I was actually GENUINELY interested in solving Anniemac's problem - because if it's a glitch, if it's some technicality I could address that and then maybe make it so that it won't happen again for anyone!

As it is, Silver Oak has thousands of customers who play happily every day with no problems or complaints. We give out hundreds of thousands of dollars in prizes each month. Even the best sidewalk has some cracks, but that doesn't mean it's not worth walking on. I've got my cement truck ready and waiting, all I need to know is where the cracks are, not how terrible they are compared to the sidewalk across town.

I ask for your courtesy in addressing any issues on here. Treat me like I'm a guy behind the customer service counter at Best Buy please. I don't speak for the whole company, but with my input we can improve.

Thanks for all of your understanding.

I feel your pain and frustration BigDaddyMD and boy have I seen it from most people who try to improve the Virtual brand. You see, you are NOT the problem IMO. The problem is that the owners (Graffix Softech) have a very screwy lack of ethics! They hire gung-ho people to clean up their image but still maintain their screwy ethics! What usually happens is that the good guys who are trying to improve the status quo get pissed off and quit .......... then some time passes ..... the old Virtual ways creep back .... the cash flow clogs up and another "new leaf" promise emerges ..... repeat as needed .... ad nauseum. Good luck to you in your future endeavors BigDaddyMD! :)
 
BigDaddyMD,

If this press release on 1/29/2009 has this info on DiAngelo, and you say he is not the manager, just what is he? It is obvious he is involved. And we all know the rep he has! :rolleyes:

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Hi Jod5413,

After reading that press release, I think I understand why I'm so disappointed with what was said to be one of the new best RTG casinos. When I think of "best" I put player support and cashouts ahead of the website software. This press release seems to be focused on the new software on the website and pointing out that this new software is what will make all the other casinos seem second best. I guess they focused on changes with the web site software, rather then player support.

That's a little disappointing.
 
Posted by BigDaddyMD:


Also - mrracetrack - Chris DiAngelo doesn't manage Silver Oak Casino!


Silver Oak Casino
Chris DiAngelo
1-888-402-2063
[email protected]
www.silveroakcasino.com

As jod5413 asked... What exactly IS his job/position at Silver Oak Casino?? :rolleyes:

And if I may ask... what exactly is YOUR job/position at Silver Oak Casino, BigDaddyMD??
 
Wow!! I don't read the forum all day and SH*T happens.

BigDaddyMD, to clarify things, I have NOT been paid. Nor have I had any contact with anyone from Silver Oak since I called and talked to Alan day before yesterday, Wednesday and was told that he didn't have clue when I would receive my money because real money winnings take precedent over free chip winnings in regard to payment. I called twice on Tuesday, I believe it wasy, so I don't think that getting in touch with me would have been much of a problem.

I have all the emails I have been sent from them in reply to my emails as well as copies of chat conversations. I would be more than happy to post them here if it is necessary.

My withdrawal sat until Daera got in touch with Alan and got my withdrawal approved on 1/28. I was told when I called him that day that I would receive my withdrawal by 2/6, 2/9 at the latest.

Don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. The intent was to never pay me. This is not my first rodeo and I know a rogue when I smell one.
 
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After reading BigDaddy's response that I was paid several days ago, I called
Silver Oak. Wonder of wonders, I was told by Dan that a moneygram had been sent on 2/3. All I had to do was go pick it up. I asked why I hadn't been sent notification of payment and was told he didn't know why I hadn't received anything. But let me tell you, he knew who I was and what I wanted when I gave him my user ID.

On Wednesday afternoon when I talked to Alan, it hadn't been authorized much less sent.

I will let you know if it's there when I go pick it up tomorrow.
 
After reading BigDaddy's response that I was paid several days ago, I called
Silver Oak. Wonder of wonders, I was told by Dan that a moneygram had been sent on 2/3. All I had to do was go pick it up. I asked why I hadn't been sent notification of payment and was told he didn't know why I hadn't received anything. But let me tell you, he knew who I was and what I wanted when I gave him my user ID.

On Wednesday afternoon when I talked to Alan, it hadn't been authorized much less sent.

I will let you know if it's there when I go pick it up tomorrow.

That's great news!

Did he give you the number you need to claim it? I forget what they call it. Transaction number, or whatever it's called?
 
I had a moneygram waiting for me for $75. I still never received any noticification from Silver Oak that it was paid. If I hadn't called them myself, I guess I would have never known for sure.

I want to thank all the people that helped me get paid. I really appreciate it.

Do I think they would have paid me if I hadn't bitched and enlisted the help of so many people. Absolutely not.

So my warning still stands.
 
I had a moneygram waiting for me for $75. I still never received any noticification from Silver Oak that it was paid. If I hadn't called them myself, I guess I would have never known for sure.

I want to thank all the people that helped me get paid. I really appreciate it.

Do I think they would have paid me if I hadn't bitched and enlisted the help of so many people. Absolutely not.

So my warning still stands.


wtg on getting paid,

yes the power of posting can sometimes work miracles :thumbsup:
 
I had a moneygram waiting for me for $75. I still never received any noticification from Silver Oak that it was paid. If I hadn't called them myself, I guess I would have never known for sure.

I want to thank all the people that helped me get paid. I really appreciate it.

Do I think they would have paid me if I hadn't bitched and enlisted the help of so many people. Absolutely not.

So my warning still stands.

I don't understand how a casino can not understand the importance of a players first experience, and do everything they can to make it a good impression.

I'm glad this is a closed chapter and you've received your cashout now. I really believe you would have been paid whether you posted or not. However, I think you might have waited even longer for your payment, if you hadn't have posted.

I hope I don't have to wait as long as you did for my cashout. 2 Weeks and counting here..
 
Daera, I really hope you get your money. I still don't think I would have been paid if I hadn't posted about it. If a casino doesn't want to bend over backwards to keep new players happy then they are not really too smart. All it would have taken was an answer to an email or any kind of an answer at all, and I would not have had to take it to the internet.
 
What happened to BigDaddyMD?? :eek:

His "silence" since he first posted in this thread speaks volumes... :rolleyes:

I still would like an answer regarding Chris DiAngelo... :confused:

I wouldn't hold it against him that he wasn't here over the weekend. He last posted on Friday. If he's got some kind of management or supervisor job, he may very well work Mondays-Fridays and be off this weekend. That was my first thought anyway.
 
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Howdy folks,

Yup, I'm a Monday - Friday 9-5er so on the weekends I try to disconnect from the computer and get some sunshine (Lord knows I need it!).

I'm very glad that Anniemac got her money. I printed out this whole thread - it's a great thing for me to show to the customer service agents on the importance of how to treat every single customer.

In regards to Chris DeAngelo, he is not an employee or part of the management structure at Silver Oak (he's not even based in any of our offices). He's a consultant who was contracted out by our Marketing team to do some PR and help structure our VIP program. So far, we've have been very happy with his contribution in these two areas.

I'm gonna make sure we try better next time everyone, but thanks for everyone's contribution to this thread.
 
Howdy folks,

Yup, I'm a Monday - Friday 9-5er so on the weekends I try to disconnect from the computer and get some sunshine (Lord knows I need it!).

I'm very glad that Anniemac got her money. I printed out this whole thread - it's a great thing for me to show to the customer service agents on the importance of how to treat every single customer.

In regards to Chris DeAngelo, he is not an employee or part of the management structure at Silver Oak (he's not even based in any of our offices). He's a consultant who was contracted out by our Marketing team to do some PR and help structure our VIP program. So far, we've have been very happy with his contribution in these two areas.

I'm gonna make sure we try better next time everyone, but thanks for everyone's contribution to this thread.

Why in the world would your company hire someone who's own name is synonymous with rogue?
 
Howdy folks,

Yup, I'm a Monday - Friday 9-5er so on the weekends I try to disconnect from the computer and get some sunshine (Lord knows I need it!).

I'm very glad that Anniemac got her money. I printed out this whole thread - it's a great thing for me to show to the customer service agents on the importance of how to treat every single customer.

In regards to Chris DeAngelo, he is not an employee or part of the management structure at Silver Oak (he's not even based in any of our offices). He's a consultant who was contracted out by our Marketing team to do some PR and help structure our VIP program. So far, we've have been very happy with his contribution in these two areas.

I'm gonna make sure we try better next time everyone, but thanks for everyone's contribution to this thread.

Before the rebranded Crystal Palace casino, and others, have any chance of gaining the confidence of players they need to ditch the baggage from the rogue days. Firstly, Costa Rica does NOT LICENCE CASINOS, it just licences BUSINESSES. There is no special regulation available other than normal business regulations to protect players. Online casinos need much stronger regulation due to the nature of their business. RTG also is associated with rogue casinos, but a few have shown that it IS possible to run with RTG yet be reputable.

Now, if Chris DiAngelo is merely the PR consultant, how come he gets top billing - surely this belongs to the casino manager, who seems to have no name or contact details at present.

The fancy new lobby is available to ALL RTG casinos, Club World has it, so why on earth would anyone from here play at Silver Oak at present, except perhaps because of the lure of too-good-to-be-true bonuses.

It is going to take some doing to make it look like Virtual really means it this time, and bad experiences posted by Casinomeister members who have dabbled only serve to support the "nothing has changed" view.
 
Howdy folks,

After much discussion about this issue, I've been asked by senior management to post the following:


Hello Casinomeister Members

I thought it was time to address the forum, give you all some background as to who we are, and address this issue specifically.

As a Canadian that frequently travels to the US I'm not going to discuss any details about me nor will I speak of the new ownership behind Silver Oak. I hope for obvious reasons you can all appreciate this. However, I can say that I'm part of a new senior management team and I've been in the US facing gaming industry for many years with experience with several very successful operations, albeit, not exclusively casinos.

First of all, it is correct that Silver Oak Casino is a re-branded Crystal Palace. What does this mean? It means basically we took over the customer accounts. We are a completely new operation and no former staff, management or owners from the Crystal Group are involved in any way.

It is also true that from a business point of view, we have used the same bonus structure and operational procedures, at least the ones that make business sense. However, we are not in the business to stiff customers and our procedures are designed (and evolving) to provide a balance between business needs and customer expectations.

Anyone who has worked in the US facing gaming industry can certainly appreciate the challenges that we all face to provide US customers with a consistent level of service, let alone a quality one. How many of you have to now jump through hoops to get money in or out of the system? [I know from a personal experience that I'm having a hard time getting money in and out of one of the top US facing poker rooms and have been for quite some time.] I think if customers could actually see the challenges that every US facing gaming company goes through on a daily basis, they would be absolutely astonished.

As for the comment that we are treating non-depositing customers differently than depositing customers, being a veteran in this industry I can assure you that every operation have procedures in place to manage risk. The ones that don't, do not stay in business very long. This has little to do with cash flow and more to do with simple business.

While it is the intention of most operators to provide all customers with quality services regardless of player value, the reality is that some level of prioritization does take place in all operations, especially in today's US facing market. You get better service at your bank the more money you have in your account. Your bartender will pay extra attention to you the more you spend and tip. These are realities in life and not that one group of customers is intentionally being given poor service. If someone from payouts has two payout request to process at the same time, one from a customer that is spending money, and one from a customer who is not, which one would you process first?

I would like to be able to say that we won't ever have a month where payouts take longer than normal, however, given the nature of this business, it would be unrealistic for me to do. Some of the most well established operations get hit with unexpected challenges that temporarily affect the level of service given to customers [one of the biggest US facing gaming operators has gone public with the fact that the are taking 30 to 40 days to process payments]. The more volume that an operation does, the greater the challenges become, especially since UIGEA.

Now, as for the incident in question being discussed here, I understand that this customer has in fact been paid, albeit longer than the customer expected. It appears that there was some miscommunication to the customer and it was a simple thing to address that should have never become an issue. We'll learn from it, and make procedural changes.

However, I would like to add that the customer is question has claimed on this forum that there was no communication that payment was delivered. I can say without a doubt that I was in the room with the payout representative when she phoned to notify the customer, left a voice message detailing payment, then subsequently emailed the customer with the details of payment. I'm at a loose to explain why the customer claimed otherwise.

On a final note, if you all want to help US facing operators have payout times consistent with our European counterparts, please write to your congressman and senators and let them know that you support everyone's right to gamble online and just maybe they will back off putting pressure on the banks and the processing companies that take US business.

Thanks for reading,
Best Regards


---------------------

Please, if anybody has any questions, comments or just generally wants to know about anything in here feel free to email me!

Cheers everybody!
 
Why in the world would your company hire someone who's own name is synonymous with rogue?

Tell your bosses to get rid of Chris D'Angelo, that would be a good start in telling us that you have truly just re-branded.
 
Let me address the 'senior management' on several issues.

I don't know who his payment person left a message with but it was not me. I don't have an answering machine on my telephone and haven't had for several years. Nor do I have voice mail on my cell phone but I don't think I gave them that number. I have never received an email from Silver Oak regarding payment and I will be more than happy to send a copy of each and every one I have received from them as well as the ones I sent to them and copies of two chats I had with the live chat. Plus you can ask Daera at Hodgepodge Forum when I started trying to get info. on payment and what she did for me. This was before I posted on this forum and others.

Take what you will from this. I had/have no other agenda with Silver Oak except payment which I finally received.

But I don't appreciate this unnamed person coming on this forum finally and making it seem like I was not straight with the people here. I really think my rep. here stand for itself.
 
Howdy folks,

After much discussion about this issue, I've been asked by senior management to post the following:


Hello Casinomeister Members

I thought it was time to address the forum, give you all some background as to who we are, and address this issue specifically.

As a Canadian that frequently travels to the US I'm not going to discuss any details about me nor will I speak of the new ownership behind Silver Oak. I hope for obvious reasons you can all appreciate this. However, I can say that I'm part of a new senior management team and I've been in the US facing gaming industry for many years with experience with several very successful operations, albeit, not exclusively casinos.

First of all, it is correct that Silver Oak Casino is a re-branded Crystal Palace. What does this mean? It means basically we took over the customer accounts. We are a completely new operation and no former staff, management or owners from the Crystal Group are involved in any way.

It is also true that from a business point of view, we have used the same bonus structure and operational procedures, at least the ones that make business sense. However, we are not in the business to stiff customers and our procedures are designed (and evolving) to provide a balance between business needs and customer expectations.

Anyone who has worked in the US facing gaming industry can certainly appreciate the challenges that we all face to provide US customers with a consistent level of service, let alone a quality one. How many of you have to now jump through hoops to get money in or out of the system? [I know from a personal experience that I'm having a hard time getting money in and out of one of the top US facing poker rooms and have been for quite some time.] I think if customers could actually see the challenges that every US facing gaming company goes through on a daily basis, they would be absolutely astonished.

As for the comment that we are treating non-depositing customers differently than depositing customers, being a veteran in this industry I can assure you that every operation have procedures in place to manage risk. The ones that don't, do not stay in business very long. This has little to do with cash flow and more to do with simple business.

While it is the intention of most operators to provide all customers with quality services regardless of player value, the reality is that some level of prioritization does take place in all operations, especially in today's US facing market. You get better service at your bank the more money you have in your account. Your bartender will pay extra attention to you the more you spend and tip. These are realities in life and not that one group of customers is intentionally being given poor service. If someone from payouts has two payout request to process at the same time, one from a customer that is spending money, and one from a customer who is not, which one would you process first?

I would like to be able to say that we won't ever have a month where payouts take longer than normal, however, given the nature of this business, it would be unrealistic for me to do. Some of the most well established operations get hit with unexpected challenges that temporarily affect the level of service given to customers [one of the biggest US facing gaming operators has gone public with the fact that the are taking 30 to 40 days to process payments]. The more volume that an operation does, the greater the challenges become, especially since UIGEA.

Now, as for the incident in question being discussed here, I understand that this customer has in fact been paid, albeit longer than the customer expected. It appears that there was some miscommunication to the customer and it was a simple thing to address that should have never become an issue. We'll learn from it, and make procedural changes.

However, I would like to add that the customer is question has claimed on this forum that there was no communication that payment was delivered. I can say without a doubt that I was in the room with the payout representative when she phoned to notify the customer, left a voice message detailing payment, then subsequently emailed the customer with the details of payment. I'm at a loose to explain why the customer claimed otherwise.

On a final note, if you all want to help US facing operators have payout times consistent with our European counterparts, please write to your congressman and senators and let them know that you support everyone's right to gamble online and just maybe they will back off putting pressure on the banks and the processing companies that take US business.

Thanks for reading,
Best Regards


---------------------

Please, if anybody has any questions, comments or just generally wants to know about anything in here feel free to email me!

Cheers everybody!

All three of those statements there are total bullshit...all you have to do is look at INetbet and ClubWorld...both of these operations are Top Notch and pay their customers promptly the next day when a web wallet is used for the withdrawal means and within a week per other withdrawal means !!

If you ever want to earn the respect of customers in this business you should look at their business models and take a few lessons from them on how customers should be treated and how to also keep those customers retained, by paying them ALL Promptly !!

On another note I know you said you want to keep your identity secret but surely you can name the Casino Manager for all of us just like the rest of the truly transparent and great online casinos do can't you ??
 
I just wanted to say that I received my cashout via Western Union today.

I do think that some changes need to be made in the communication or lack of communication with players throughout a cashout process. I never got one single email from the casino regarding my cashout. I would not have known how I was getting paid, or have gotten my MTCN number today, had I not been actively contacting the casino.

Today I called the casino and got the MTCN number. Yesterday I called and found out the MTCN would be there today. But they never contacted me to tell me anything about the cashout.

Anyway, I've been paid. Thank you!
 
While I do appreciate BigDaddy posting a message from "senior management", the fact that it is unsigned does little to inspire confidence.

I appreciate that the players were paid, but delays like this and miscommunication are unsatisfactory.

And every customer is a valuable customer. Many people will only deposit a small amount in a new casino, to "test the waters" so to speak. You don't know in advance what kind of customer they will be, but you want every customer to be a repeat customer, and for support staff to openly communicate that you are not yet valuable to them is assinine.
 
I still say avoid them at all cost as it only costs the player time and money and undue stress, glad you girls did get paid:)..................laurie

i was thinking the same thing, why bother with them, people still have inet/clubworld/rushmore ect and playing at those casino'o you atleast know you wont get any hassles, and if you do you know your problems will be sorted out swiftly by support
 
All three of those statements there are total bullshit...all you have to do is look at INetbet and ClubWorld...both of these operations are Top Notch and pay their customers promptly the next day when a web wallet is used for the withdrawal means and within a week per other withdrawal means !!

If you ever want to earn the respect of customers in this business you should look at their business models and take a few lessons from them on how customers should be treated and how to also keep those customers retained, by paying them ALL Promptly !!

On another note I know you said you want to keep your identity secret but surely you can name the Casino Manager for all of us just like the rest of the truly transparent and great online casinos do can't you ??

Rob, you Idiot...you forgot to include the "Rushmore Group" as also being one of the "Top Notch" RTG Casino groups...:rolleyes:

Can I get in trouble here for flaming myself...:p
 
Let me address the 'senior management' on several issues.

I don't know who his payment person left a message with but it was not me. I don't have an answering machine on my telephone and haven't had for several years. Nor do I have voice mail on my cell phone but I don't think I gave them that number. I have never received an email from Silver Oak regarding payment and I will be more than happy to send a copy of each and every one I have received from them as well as the ones I sent to them and copies of two chats I had with the live chat. Plus you can ask Daera at Hodgepodge Forum when I started trying to get info. on payment and what she did for me. This was before I posted on this forum and others.

Take what you will from this. I had/have no other agenda with Silver Oak except payment which I finally received.

But I don't appreciate this unnamed person coming on this forum finally and making it seem like I was not straight with the people here. I really think my rep. here stand for itself.

Your REP is good enough for me I wont be playing at Silver Oak Casino EVER
Cindy
 
All three of those statements there are total bullshit...all you have to do is look at INetbet and ClubWorld...both of these operations are Top Notch and pay their customers promptly the next day when a web wallet is used for the withdrawal means and within a week per other withdrawal means !!

If you ever want to earn the respect of customers in this business you should look at their business models and take a few lessons from them on how customers should be treated and how to also keep those customers retained, by paying them ALL Promptly !!

On another note I know you said you want to keep your identity secret but surely you can name the Casino Manager for all of us just like the rest of the truly transparent and great online casinos do can't you ??

Well, they named Chris DeAngelo, and we all know he works for Virtual. We are now told that apart from Chris, who is merely PR, not management, we are not going to be told who owns, manages, or works there. None of this is going to convince anybody that Virtual do NOT own the ex Crystal Palace casinos, given that a meister member contacted support earlier, but after the rebranding, and somehow got hold of the Virtual CS team - even though we have just been told Virtual are not involved at all.

The next question is this - if there REALLY is a new owner, then they will require a NEW "gaming licence". If this is simply yet another Costa Rican one, then players have no more protection than in the past, and are expected to put their trust and money into a casino whose owners and manager have no names, while they still have a choice of RTG casinos whose ownership and management are far more transparent.

The non-payment/payment to anniemac seems odd. The rep claims to have had first hand eye witness experience of anniemac being notified of payment, - on a voicemail she doesn't have (assuming we believe her - but surely a more credible witness than a rep for what may be a rogue casino that has changed for the better who has signed up on what might be a damage limitation exercise). What is more, the communications anniemac DID receive were pointing in the other direction, that she had to WAIT for payment because free chip players were assigned a lower priority.
The voicemail claim has another worry, if anniemac doesn't have voicemail, then the casino have very carelessly given payment details to ANOTHER PERSON, a clear breach of player security. It is insecure to hear a voicemail and simply dump a message that requires security, after all, you cannot ask voicemail to confirm that you have actually reached the correct number!! Same goes for email, I regularly receive an email with someone else's casino account number and an offer in their name - this shows a fundamental lapse in the way the industry as a whole handles linkages between automated mailings and player data. It is possible anniemac's confirmation was simply sent to the wrong player. It is also possible that the sent email had such a load of "irrelevant promotional crap" in the signiature that it was seen as SPAM and never seen. I regularly receive emails like this from casinos, and when they are stuffed to the gills with advertising after the main body of the message they invariably get tagged as SPAM. SPAM filters now see this kind of thing as general spam, and they are not clever enough to work out whether the offers are simply a signiature strip, or the whole body of the message.

As to the reps point about processing. If I received 2 (or more) payout orders to process, what order would I do it in (given that there is an overload of the service). Well, surely the most EFFICIENT way, which is to NOT waste time working out how much players have deposited or not, but simply processing as fast as I can in order of receipt, which is the way to get the highest number done, and clear the backlog as quickly as possible.
 
Agree 1000% VWM! If this is not the way it is done, then why? Only thing that comes to mind is ................ there's no money to pay everyone when payment is due, so ................ Geeze, these guys make me believe they are out of business .......... and they're the only ones who don't know it! ;)
 

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