Shills from Casinofan.com

[The Dude]

What is really uncool is when this forum is used either to generate traffic, or to bolster a presence on the Internet via shills and spammers. This is not the first time we've caught shills in our forum from Casinofan.com...

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive...

For those not up to snuff on some of the forum lingo, here is a pretty good definition of what a shill is:

A shill is a person who is paid to help another person or organization to sell goods or services. The shill pretends to have no association with the seller/group and gives onlookers the impression that he or she is an enthusiastic customer. The person or group that hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members (who are unaware of the set-up) to purchase said goods or services. Shills are often employed by confidence artists.

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Some of you may remember a thread from last summer when Casinojan was busted out in this forum for spamming and shilling.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/spammers-name-and-shame-time.33048/

The spammer was named, shamed and banned. I thought that was the last time we'd hear from Casinofan.com. Well...I was wrong. Here we have a "new" MissB (there is no space between the Miss and B).

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

It's the same person. When you are banned, you are banned. Don't come back.

And then we have other associated accounts - and this is a real shame since at least one of these members was active and seemed to be getting along with others. Perhaps this was part of the scheme.

LuckyLizzy made what seemed to be an innocent post here:

Thanks for the warning. Does anyone know anything about Southbeachbingo.com? The site seams cool but has anyone ever played there? I have never played bingo online.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/just-a-warning-to-other-bingo-players.38050/

And yet at Casinofan.com she is pushing it here:
xhttp://www.casinofan.com/board/online-bingo-discussion/203-south-beach-specials-every-day-week.html#post434

South Beach Specials For Every Day of the Week
There is always something special going on every single day at the world's leading online bingo site, SouthBeachBingo.com.

The daily promotions are as follows: blah blah blah...

A quick Google search gives me this page:
Link Removed (invalid URL)

It's a press release by....(drum roll please)...Lou Fabiano. The presumed owner of SouthBeachBingo.com and Casinofan.com

Luckylizzy made another coy post here:

I think 4Spades.com seams like a pretty neat site for Spades. It just takes you to Spadester though but I liked the information it gave on strategy and stuff like that. There is a whole page for frequently asked questions too I am going to look around and try a few other places out. I think I know someone who plays on one site but I cannot remember the name. I will ask her tonight what it's called. She is totally addicted to it and has so many friends from the chat room in it. Lol! Will let you all know when I ask her.

I did a Google search on 4spades.com and guess what - another article written by Lou Fabiano, and <gasp!> 4spades.com is in his signature:

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For shits and giggles, one can meander over to Casinofan.com's forum and witness these characters shilling these websites in the guise of real players. I guess some people either have too much time on their hands, or they're being paid to do this. It sounds like someone having a conversation with himself. .

Here we have Jazzyjay initiating a thread that leads to the plugging of Southbeachbingo.

xhttp://www.casinofan.com/board/recmmended-bingo-software/22-who-has-best-bingo-software.html

Jazzyjay's IP is identical to another member benjaminw who has a Lou Fabiano owned website email address.

Jazzyjay's IP address is also identical to the Professor's

So what the hell? It's time for these people to find another line of business like selling shoes or Amway or something that doesn't involve online gaming.

How sad and pathetic

 

[NASHVEGAS]

I wondered how that Lizzy had so much insight(sp) to/from one of the recent gaming conventions as I remember that post. It was a very informative post.

Of course, when I see Liz and Orlando, I was not thinking about Fabiano or Mickey Mouse. Rather Eduun, Fcat, Sosad, DJackson, Marc Jacobs, Kay_ _ _ _ (can not recall the #'s), Mercy, Casi whatever!! Did I miss any??

Don't I deserve some rep points or brownies for taking my 30 day vacation (should have been 7 days or so btw,) as sentenced???

 

[maxd]

Don't I deserve some rep points or brownies ....

Here you go bud, fill yer boots!

 

[chayton]

Here you go bud, fill yer boots!

are those the 'special' brownies Max?

 

[NASHVEGAS]

are those the 'special' brownies Max?

He states "Here you go bud".

 

[maxd]

are those the 'special' brownies Max?

_All_ brownies are "special" if you ask me. :eat: :lick:

(Sorry for the silly derail )

 

[winbig]

I'd post the 2girls1cup video, if it were still online, cause that's what this stuff reeks of!!!

 

[LHofsdal]

I guess when you need to make money, you look for new ways to do so. I honestly think these people come here to CS because it is a large site and has a good reputation. Needless to say they always get caught, end up looking like idiots to the whole forum and then start crying, "What did I do wrong." Or go on to bash the site for bogus reasons to try and make them look good.

Thanks for the heads up!

LH

 

[jas2587]

yeah we banned them a few days ago
we caught them a week ago an wasn't sure what to do
an we went ahead an banned them its the only way to go


GoWildCindy

 

[The Dude]

Luckylizzy has apologized - I've accepted and reopened Lizzy's account with the understanding that all Fabiano's properties are off limit topics for her.

 

[lots0]

With people like Lou Fabiano in this business, no wonder so many people think everything is rigged or a scam.

I have also heard from a trusted source that Lou's new aff sites are blackjackdoc/crapsdoc/roulettedoc etc. Looks like he is an aff for c-planet(Rushmore). My source could be wrong... but I don't think so.

BTW - Good catch CM!!!

 

[The Dude]

My Response

I noticed at Casinofan, Lou has responded to this thread. I thought I would take this opportunity to respond back since I think that he has misunderstood what exactly is going on.

The Hate Continues from Bryan Baily AKA Casinomesiter
Some people hate just to hate apparently. One of our staff Lucky Lizzie was banned by Bryan this morning over at Casinomeister and slandered as a shill. He previously did this to Miss B also.

There is no slander involved when I point out the fact that Miss B was banned for spamming last year, and opened another account. LuckyLizzy was banned for making shill posts, and I explained exactly what they were. That is a fact - that's not slander. By the way, Luckylizzy's account has been reinstated. She apologized, and I accepted the apology. Not much hate there I think

Well, for some unknown reason Bryan has made it a personal mission to try to damage my reputation and cannot let me exist on HIS internet.

Lou, I don't have a personal mission with you. In fact, your undertakings are pretty much off my radar, unless of course you are sending shills to this forum, or deceiving players or webmasters with your antics. It's not MY Internet - but this is MY forum. And to go further with this, this forum belongs to the Casinomeister community. You disrespect our members when your employees spam this board.

Bryan, Casinofan.com has been up for many years. We market casinos much as you do. I do have a very small staff of writers. Miss B is Bianca, one of my daughters. Elizabeth is a very sharp young writer we brought on over a year ago. Since both are relatively new to the internet they are learning about the industry and gaming in general on forums much as anyone else would. They meant you no harm and your attack was uncalled for.

There was no attack. You need to reread my original post. An attack would have included comments of you being a crook. I didn't say any such thing. And when if you are trying to compare marketing between our sites, you are comparing apples with coffee cups. There is no comparison.

Bryan we have known each other for years. We have sat together cordially and chatted at many of the events CAP produced. I always posted respectfully and praisingly about you and your efforts to protect players at CAP. Anyone who wants to verify this can do a search at CAP and will find this to be the case. I have pictures of you and I together. You sat with me and my wife in Barcelona and chatted for an hour and NOT ONCE over all those years did you indicate to my face that you had such a burning hatred for me. I find it a total mystery why you would as a I never wronged you.

No need for the drama, and Lou - your memory deceives you. I can count the number of times we have met on one hand. Bahamas 2003 (a 15 second howdydo), CAC 2003 (another 15 second howdydo). In Barcelona - we met twice. Once at the Club World/Rushmore party where we chatted for several minutes (not an hour), and the following year at the hotel bar. The last time we met was at the CAP awards 2009 after the CAP implosion. Our chit chat was cordial, but only lasted a few minutes. I didn't feel it was necessary to bring up the Cardspike and CAP stuff during the last time we met. I figured you'd been through enough.

You state you have spoken highly of me at CAP, but apparently you forgot your tirade at the GPWA when I quit there years ago:
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/newsletter/2003/24april2003.html

The private section contained a +20 page thread at the GPWA where you bashed me personally calling me a Nazi and having an unnatural relationship with Vortran, amongst other things. You were an active participant - and there are a number of webmasters here that remember those comments.

But for me, that's water under the bridge.

I will advise my people now and in the future to steer clear of your site so you wont have to BAN them without cause.

Ban them without a cause? We have strict rules in this forum against spam and shill posts. Your employees have breached these rules - there is no doubt about that. Luckylizzy has been permitted to stay by the way.

Bryan, like you, I have to earn a living. I am just trying to feed my family. I am raising children and have a wife and two elderly mothers I support. For the love of god LIVE AND LET LIVE. I never did ANYTHING to YOU.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

Sure, earn a living - I don't have a problem with that. It's when you use deceptive marketing tactics and/or abuse this forum that I will take a stand and put a stop to it. Using shills is unorthodox, unethical, and anyone with an ounce of scruples cannot condone this. Apparently you don't get it. It is dishonest - it is based on lies and deception, and in no way should it be an instrument to put food on the table.

There is the right way to do things and a wrong way. Unfortunately, it seems that you have chosen the wrong path to take when it comes to marketing online gaming. No hate here - just some straightforward comments and some good advice.

 

[winbig]

and having an unnatural relationship with Vortran

How dare you!

 

[incrediblestuff]

well put meisterman!

however, i would like to read the tirade... the link leads me to an old newletter...

 

[The Dude]

well put meisterman!

however, i would like to read the tirade... the link leads me to an old newletter...

That was my announcement that I was leaving the GPWA in 2003. I posted virtually the same thing in their forum where I was immediately banned and lambasted. The +20 page thread was in the private webmaster's section which may have been deleted since then. But a number of the childish comments were forwarded to me by my webmaster buddies which prompted this response from me:
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/newsletter/2003/2may2003.html

But this is seven years old, and the GPWA is under different ownership and management. Nevertheless, Casinomeister will never join another organization ever again.

 

[Luckylizzy]

Sorry to anyone I offended here. It wasn't my intentions at all and I did come to this site because I want to learn more about this industry and also to help whenever I can. I now know that saying anything about the sites I work for is off limits and I completely understand.

I do want to make friends here and hope that you all will accept me. This job is very important to me and I really enjoy what I do.

The only time I recall mentioning any sites was in a bingo thread where I asked about a site I promote but have never played at. I just recently started to play bingo online since my mother in law enjoys it. I was honestly just trying to get feedback from others who know about it, which I did get a very good answer from dynamitewoman! Thanks

I promise to be good and thank you very much for letting me come back!

 

[jetset]

I believe the injured innocence and victim angle used before by Lou is well past it's sell-by date and really needs to be abandoned.

And trying to gloss over this incident by claiming some sort of personal vendetta involving Bryan seems a little thin and frankly out of character to me.

The fact is that a reasonably covert attempt (clearly not quite subtle enough ) was made to shill the forum when the person standing behind the shill clearly knows better, even if the shill herself was relatively new and apparently ignorant...and that's enough justification for the owner of the site to take exception and hand out a ban.

Play by the ethics and within the rules and there should be no need for correction or embarrassment.

 

[Luckylizzy]

I am not sure if this matters at all but Lou did not send me here. I came of my own accord when he said that we should be active members in casino and online gambling forums so that we could gain knowledge of the industry through them and if permitted, add a signature to the bottom to get links for the site. He sent us to GPWA only.

I actually didn't even know what a shill was until I looked it up on wiki. I wasn't hired to be deceitful and I fully agree that honesty is always the best policy. I promise never ever to be shilly again in my life.

I just want to learn the ropes of this industry at one of the best forums there is on the internet.

One more thing is that I don't know anything about what happened and I have chosen not to read any of the posts out of respect for my boss. It wouldn't feel right to me to dig up the past. You know what I mean? It just feels sneaky.

Oh but I did briefly see one that was at the bottom of the forum by accident. I didnt read the whole thing though cuz it didnt feel right.

 

[winbig]

One more thing is that I don't know anything about what happened and I have chosen not to read any of the posts out of respect for my boss. It wouldn't feel right to me to dig up the past. You know what I mean? It just feels sneaky.

No disrespect, but for me, I'd sure want to know a little about the person/people I'm working for.

 

[mrracetrack]

I really had to laugh when I read Lou's post on his CasinoFan forum about this...

Talk about being a HYPOCRITE!!

When Lou was the "head honcho" on the CAP forum... (before he himself was banned from the CAP forum)... Lou banned NUMEROUS people from there.

If someone dared to question Lou about a decision he made... BANNED!!

If someone posted a beef with an affiliate program that Lou had "certified"... BANNED!!

Lou even banned a CAP member (The CPA) because he owned the website where I had posted some "derogatory" comments about Lou.

Lou BANNED J.Todd... and Affiliate Guard Dog Andy... from CAP... because they wouldn't agree to "only post on CAP"...

And Lou even BANNED GPWA owner Michael Corfman from the CAP forum... out of spite... after J.Todd became a partner with the GPWA.

To add insult to injury... Lou would change the avatars of CAP members he banned... to silly things like "clowns"... or a person in a "jail uniform".

But now "Poor Lou" is "upset" that his Lou-Puppets are being banned... :sob:

I noticed that on the GPWA forum alone... that "Tricky Old Lou" has had at least SIX "family members or friends" register and post on there... And EVERY ONE of them have links posted that go to LOU'S "casinofan" site and his Poker site.

MissB

Shayla69

Minime

CasinoYaYa

Lucky Lizzie

CasinoZoZo

If someone had done this same thing on the CAP forum when "good old Lou" was head honcho on the CAP forum... they would have been BANNED within minutes.

And now Lou cries:

Bryan, like you, I have to earn a living. I am just trying to feed my family. I am raising children and have a wife and two elderly mothers I support.

Gee... maybe we could all send "Poor Lou" a few dollars so his family doesn't starve...

Oh... wait a second... what happened to the "3 MILLION DOLLARS" that Lou publicly posted about... and claimed his former partner Warren Jolly "stole" from him... money that was socked away from the $50,000 fees that affiliate programs paid to Lou to be "CAP CERTIFIED"??


I'm sure you could feed the family for awhile on that, Lou.

And I guess we can only hope that the "morals & ethics" that Lucky Lizzie, and the others in your "group" hopefully have... weren't learned from YOU, Lou... as the whole CAP FIASCO proved to everyone that you are devoid of any "ethics & morals"... and you are nothing but a BLACK EYE to the online gaming industry.

 

[jod5413]

Excellent post about good, old Lou. A lot of newer members here do not know about Lou and his "antics". Hopefully, they will understand and not post and/or click on any of the websites that Lou controls.

As far as Bryan letting Luckielizzie back, I am disapponted but, at least everyone can keep an eye out for her and any scammy posts.

What a business this is!!!

 

[unicorn40]

Great post there MrR. and so true....Your post sure brings back the memories......

 

[same_old]

It was bullshit childish banter that everyone could see.

Yeah I clearly remember the shit hauling back at each other.

he has locked me out of my bank accounts and email addy's and there nothing I can do..

then a week later we find the happy family on facebook typing to each other.

the good thing is there is always a trail to follow- go and follow lou's trail and you tell me what comes back.

 

[jetset]

Definitely one of the most unprofessional and embarrassing incidents in the often lively history of affiliate marketing...from both CAP participants back then.

 

[pevangel]

Excellent post mrracetrack very informative.


pevangel

 

[TOC]

Sounds more like a feud between CM and this website owner, whatever!

 

[bgermain1985]

Things you can't unsee

I'd post the 2girls1cup video, if it were still online, cause that's what this stuff reeks of!!!

winbig, there are some things you can't unsee once you've seen them.
The internet is a very scary place... best not to scar the curious

 

[lots0]

Sounds more like a feud between CM and this website owner, whatever!

Not even close.

casinofan is owned and operated by a KNOWN thief and liar, Lou Fabiano, who has been called out and ostracized by the ENTIRE honest online gambling industry for his thieving, cheating and lying, not to mention all his other little BS activities.

I still can't believe his shill is still allowed to post here... Very Bad decision Bryan, IMO.

@TOC Lou's shill gave you a "Thank You" for that post... clearly attempting to mislead people's opinion into thinking this is some kind of a personal website owners fude... It is not. Lou Fabiano, in my opinion and many others is a real bad guy and any site he has anything to do with should be avoided by everyone.

 

[winbig]

winbig, there are some things you can't unsee once you've seen them.
The internet is a very scary place... best not to scar the curious

[derail]

Yea, that's for sure. I still haven't gotten over tubgirl or goatse.cx, from over 10 years ago.

If anyone is a glutton for punishment, just google the two and I'm sure you can find an old archive of them.

[/derail]

 

[Brooklyn]

[derail]

Yea, that's for sure. I still haven't gotten over tubgirl or goatse.cx, from over 10 years ago.

If anyone is a glutton for punishment, just google the two and I'm sure you can find an old archive of them.

[/derail]

I googled...I wish I didn't.

 

[winbig]

I googled...I wish I didn't.

tsk tsk, I warned you

 

[same_old]

Not even close.

casinofan is owned and operated by a KNOWN thief and liar, Lou Fabiano, who has been called out and ostracized by the ENTIRE honest online gambling industry for his thieving, cheating and lying, not to mention all his other little BS activities.

I still can't believe his shill is still allowed to post here... Very Bad decision Bryan, IMO.

@TOC Lou's shill gave you a "Thank You" for that post... clearly attempting to mislead people's opinion into thinking this is some kind of a personal website owners fude... It is not. Lou Fabiano, in my opinion and many others is a real bad guy and any site he has anything to do with should be avoided by everyone.

Always love your posts Lots0, always spot on and straight to the throat, dont hold back.

I really have to laugh at the casinofan forum under Lou's post where MissB (the daughter of lou) has gone and said " well worded etc", of course your going to back your father up..

MissB have you done your own little investigation into your fathers antics over the course of a fews years???- if you have dont you have questions for him, if so- what are your thoughts on this?

Let me guess I bet the countless number of people that dont really have the nicest thing to say about Lou, are all wrong?? it's they who are the liars and cheats..

or you do know the past dealings and your ok with that which I need to then say- I believe in Karma- what goes around comes around..

 

[TOC]

Well you know me I'll take a thank you anyway I can. For the record I understand that many had problems with this guy in the past but what I haven't seen was how many years ago was this? Why the uprising? I'm not sticking up for this guy or anyone else because I don't know him and wasn't around back then. I don't understand why the shills/posters weren't just banned without a public display of anger? Why make a public display of everything along with the url of the website? I've read back through the posts C Meister pointed out in his original post from Lizzy and yes I see casino and bingo names being mentioned but I don't see a link to sign up at this guys website nor do I see the poster talking about his website. Maybe I missed it or I'm misunderstanding the definition of a shill or how this person could benefit, not sure. I do know there has to be a linking url in her post for them to make money. I don't even see a website listed in her contact info.. So really what benefit other than this person trying to enter the mix of this site would she have if there's not a link to xxxxxxfan.com for him to profit from, again I don't get it? I read where Lizzy asked how to add a signature which was probably for his site, maybe not but she learned she'd have to wait to do this. It appears she waited and followed Mr. Max's advise, good for her. Everyone is probably right she would like to promote the site she posts for but that's speculation. Most webmasters do post links so she's looking for a way herself, nbd. I think she understood not to do so and can only be around as a contributor and learning experience which should be fine. Mr. Meister also said she apologized for her actions, doesn't that mean something as long as it stops and as far all members are concerned? It should. A few other things I don't get is, 1.4 - No posting of privileged information. Please remember to respect other's privacy. In the public forum, do not post real names. (I didn't know this guy owned a website but his name was shared which is a violation per CM rules)? 1.5 - No "Offensive" Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory. (Seems like an attack to me.) 1.6 - No "Libelous" Posts. Do not make posts that could be considered libelous, defamatory, or posting merely to cause harm to another's business. (Opinions are expected, but do not attack others with accusations. In my opinion C Meister broke his own rule by posting a thread that causes harm to this guys website and business and I don't care if he's the biggest terd in the world. This guy stated he was just trying to make some money from his site within his website and forum. Right or wrong its still hurtfull to his business.) 1.8 - No portal wars. Do not start a bitch session between one portal and another. Portal wars will not be tolerated. (C Meister is a portal and the other guy has a portal.) Like I said in my first post this appears to be a feud between webmasters. Note: "You can build a wall or you can build a bridge, it all depends on the love you give. If you build a wall your world is small but a bridge of love will concur all".

 

[maxd]

WellyouknowmeI'lltakeathankyouanywayIcan.FortherecordIunderstandthatmanyhadproblemswiththisguyinthepastbutwhatIhaven'tseenwashowmanyyearsagowasthis?Whytheuprising?I'mnotstickingupforthisguyoranyoneelsebecauseIdon'tknowhimandwasn'taroundbackthen.Idon'tunderstandwhytheshills/postersweren'tjustbannedwithoutapublicdisplayofanger?Whymakeapublicdisplayofeverythingalongwiththeurlofthewebsite?I'vereadbackthroughthepostsCMeisterpointedoutinhisoriginalpostfromLizzyandyesIseecasinoandbingonamesbeingmentionedbutIdon'tseealinktosignupatthisguyswebsitenordoIseethepostertalkingabouthiswebsite.MaybeImisseditorI'mmisunderstandingthedefinitionofashillorhowthispersoncouldbenefit,notsure.Idoknowtherehastobealinkingurlinherpostforthemtomakemoney.Idon'tevenseeawebsitelistedinhercontactinfo..Soreallywhatbenefitotherthanthispersontryingtoenterthemixofthissitewouldshehaveifthere'snotalinktoxxxxxxfan.comforhimtoprofitfrom,againIdon'tgetit?IreadwhereLizzyaskedhowtoaddasignaturewhichwasprobablyforhissite,maybenotbutshelearnedshe'dhavetowaittodothis.ItappearsshewaitedandfollowedMr.Max'sadvise,goodforher.Everyoneisprobablyrightshewouldliketopromotethesiteshepostsforbutthat'sspeculation.Mostwebmastersdopostlinkssoshe'slookingforawayherself,nbd.Ithinksheunderstoodnottodosoandcanonlybearoundasacontributorandlearningexperiencewhichshouldbefine.Mr.Meisteralsosaidsheapologizedforheractions,doesn'tthatmeansomethingaslongasitstopsandasfarallmembersareconcerned?Itshould.AfewotherthingsIdon'tgetis,1.4-Nopostingofprivilegedinformation.Pleaseremembertorespectother'sprivacy.Inthepublicforum,donotpostrealnames.(Ididn'tknowthisguyownedawebsitebuthisnamewassharedwhichisaviolationperCMrules)?1.5-No"Offensive"Posts,LinksorImagesleasedonotpostanymessagesthatareobscene,vulgar,sexually-orientated,hateful,threatening,racist,sexist,discriminatory.(Seemslikeanattacktome.)1.6-No"Libelous"Posts.Donotmakepoststhatcouldbeconsideredlibelous,defamatory,orpostingmerelytocauseharmtoanother'sbusiness.(Opinionsareexpected,butdonotattackotherswithaccusations.InmyopinionCMeisterbrokehisownrulebypostingathreadthatcausesharmtothisguyswebsiteandbusiness.Thisguystatedhewasjusttryingtomakesomemoneyfromhissitewithinhiswebsiteandforum.Rightorwrongitsstillhurtfulltohisbusiness.)1.8-Noportalwars.Donotstartabitchsessionbetweenoneportalandanother.Portalwarswillnotbetolerated.CMeisterisaportalandtheotherguyhasaportal.)LikeIsaidinmyfirstpostthisappearstobeafeudbetweenwebmasters.Note:"Youcanbuildawalloryoucanbuildabridge,italldependsontheloveyougive.Ifyoubuildawallyourworldissmallbutabridgeoflovewillconcurall".

PARAGRAPHS please!

No offense, but why not just remove the blanks too, your stuff will be even more compact, if that's what you're going for.

 

[TOC]

No offence Max but why don't you go do something and quit worrying about something as minute as paragraphs. You do need a break, go to a movie.. Who runs this place Obama? Let me post and leave me alone unless I'm totally out of line!

 

[maxd]

Dude, chill a bit! I wasn't pissing in your cornflakes.

I'm just saying, if we can't read your stuff then ... we won't. I'm hardly the only one who appreciates a little readability.

But take it or leave it, your choice. Sorry I bothered.

 

[winbig]

No offence Max but why don't you go do something and quit worrying about something as minute as paragraphs. You do need a break, go to a movie.. Who runs this place Obama? Let me post and leave me alone unless I'm totally out of line!

Sorry, but I guess I need to do something else, too. I refuse to read that post for the sole reason that it started to make my eyes bleed profusely.

And cut it with the Obama crap. Out of line? imo, Yes. Why? The following quote should be reason enough. And let's not derail the thread over some political BS. If you want to start a(nother) "our leadership sux" thread, then so be it.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand," - Abraham Lincoln, June 16, 1858

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[KasinoKing]

No offence Max but why don't you go do something and quit worrying about something as minute as paragraphs. You do need a break, go to a movie.. Who runs this place Obama? Let me post and leave me alone unless I'm totally out of line!

Max is right.
When I see posts like yours (and your not the only offender) I just get totally turned off and usually don't bother to read it.

Paragraph gaps are totally free - use as many as you like!

KK

 

[TOC]

Sorry my post stressed the two of you out. Eyes bleeding, give me a break, get a life! Back to the message and stop derailing the thread in my opinion.

 

[winbig]

Sorry my post stressed the two of you out. Eyes bleeding, give me a break, get a life! Back to the message and stop derailing the thread in my opinion.

Get a life? FYI, I had eye surgery 2 years ago to correct severe double vision that was no longer corrected by glasses. To this day, my eyes aren't the best in the world, and one of the problems I have is text running together, especially when it's all grouped together like that.

You are the one that started this BS with your 607 word "paragraph." You've been here for a year, and I'm sure you've came across many posts about this same issue of one long huge paragraph during that time. It's not like you didn't know what you were doing; so don't complain about people de-railing a thread when you instigated it.

 

[maxd]

Well you know me I'll take a thank you anyway I can. For the record I understand ...

As a service to the community I offer the following:

"Well you know me I'll take a thank you anyway I can.

For the record I understand that many had problems with this guy in the past but what I haven't seen was how many years ago was this? Why the uprising? I'm not sticking up for this guy or anyone else because I don't know him and wasn't around back then. I don't understand why the shills/posters weren't just banned without a public display of anger? Why make a public display of everything along with the url of the website?

I've read back through the posts C Meister pointed out in his original post from Lizzy and yes I see casino and bingo names being mentioned but I don't see a link to sign up at this guys website nor do I see the poster talking about his website. Maybe I missed it or I'm misunderstanding the definition of a shill or how this person could benefit, not sure. I do know there has to be a linking url in her post for them to make money. I don't even see a website listed in her contact info.. So really what benefit other than this person trying to enter the mix of this site would she have if there's not a link to xxxxxxfan.com for him to profit from, again I don't get it?

I read where Lizzy asked how to add a signature which was probably for his site, maybe not but she learned she'd have to wait to do this. It appears she waited and followed Mr. Max's advise, good for her. Everyone is probably right she would like to promote the site she posts for but that's speculation. Most webmasters do post links so she's looking for a way herself, nbd. I think she understood not to do so and can only be around as a contributor and learning experience which should be fine.

Mr. Meister also said she apologized for her actions, doesn't that mean something as long as it stops and as far all members are concerned? It should.

A few other things I don't get is:

1.4 - No posting of privileged information. Please remember to respect other's privacy. In the public forum, do not post real names.

(I didn't know this guy owned a website but his name was shared which is a violation per CM rules)?

1.5 - No "Offensive" Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory.

(Seems like an attack to me.)

1.6 - No "Libelous" Posts. Do not make posts that could be considered libelous, defamatory, or posting merely to cause harm to another's business.

(Opinions are expected, but do not attack others with accusations. In my opinion C Meister broke his own rule by posting a thread that causes harm to this guys website and business and I don't care if he's the biggest terd in the world. This guy stated he was just trying to make some money from his site within his website and forum. Right or wrong its still hurtfull to his business.)

1.8 - No portal wars. Do not start a bitch session between one portal and another. Portal wars will not be tolerated.

(C Meister is a portal and the other guy has a portal.)

Like I said in my first post this appears to be a feud between webmasters.

Note: 'You can build a wall or you can build a bridge, it all depends on the love you give. If you build a wall your world is small but a bridge of love will concur all'."

Okay, now I really do need to find something else to do.

 

[TOC]

Get a life? FYI, I had eye surgery 2 years ago to correct severe double vision that was no longer corrected by glasses. To this day, my eyes aren't the best in the world, and one of the problems I have is text running together, especially when it's all grouped together like that.

You are the one that started this BS with your 607 word "paragraph." You've been here for a year, and I'm sure you've came across many posts about this same issue of one long huge paragraph during that time. It's not like you didn't know what you were doing; so don't complain about people de-railing a thread when you instigated it.

Sorry winbig about your eyes but if you can read 200 words on this site you can read 600+. It has nothing to do with paragraphs, that's an excuse. Also maybe it has to do with your computer and software, not sure. My post wasn't that long and I stated my views. How about reading that instead of this BS. I would expect more out of you KK being a webmaster, figure it out! LOL Now back to the thread if we may!!

 

[TOC]

Thanks Max, looks dandy!

 

[The Dude]

Okay - I'm going to try and answer a few of the misconceptions that have been brought up.

Well you know me I'll take a thank you anyway I can. For the record I understand that many had problems with this guy in the past but what I haven't seen was how many years ago was this?

About a year and a half ago.

Why the uprising? I'm not sticking up for this guy or anyone else because I don't know him and wasn't around back then. I don't understand why the shills/posters weren't just banned without a public display of anger? Why make a public display of everything along with the url of the website?

For one thing - there is no anger involved. I am only pointing out facts - that's it.

I've read back through the posts C Meister pointed out in his original post from Lizzy and yes I see casino and bingo names being mentioned but I don't see a link to sign up at this guys website nor do I see the poster talking about his website.

The poster was feigning innocence that she didn't know about these sites. But actually these sites are owned by her boss - and she was actively promoting the bingo site on his portal. That is shillin'.

Maybe I missed it or I'm misunderstanding the definition of a shill or how this person could benefit, not sure. I do know there has to be a linking url in her post for them to make money. I don't even see a website listed in her contact info..

The website URL was removed by moi. MissB was busted for spamming the board some time ago. Again, please reread the definition of shilling. Shilling could be merely to create a buzz about an product. You don't necessarily need to have links plastered all over the place. Google picks up text pretty good I've heard.

...A few other things I don't get is, 1.4 - No posting of privileged information. Please remember to respect other's privacy. In the public forum, do not post real names. (I didn't know this guy owned a website but his name was shared which is a violation per CM rules)?

Um - it's common knowledge and a matter of public record who owns Effective Media. That is not privileged information.
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1.5 - No "Offensive" Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory. (Seems like an attack to me.)

Who, what where?

1.6 - No "Libelous" Posts. Do not make posts that could be considered libelous, defamatory, or posting merely to cause harm to another's business. (Opinions are expected, but do not attack others with accusations. In my opinion C Meister broke his own rule by posting a thread that causes harm to this guys website and business and I don't care if he's the biggest terd in the world.

The difference is that this is not libelous or defamatory. This was my findings of someone exploiting this message board. And when push comes to shove, I will have the final say so in what is published here. That's just the way it is.

1.8 - No portal wars. Do not start a bitch session between one portal and another. Portal wars will not be tolerated. (C Meister is a portal and the other guy has a portal.)

This is not just a portal. How 'bout dem apples

Like I said in my first post this appears to be a feud between webmasters...

The owner of the portal in question has employees who have either spammed this board or had shilled his sites. That is not the definition of a feud.

 

[TOC]

Max, just noticed why did you add this to your copy, thats not cool.

Okay, now I really do need to find something else to do. I DIDN'T WRITE THIS..

 

[maxd]

[last derail, I promise]

Sorry winbig about your eyes but if you can read 200 words on this site you can read 600+. It has nothing to do with paragraphs, that's an excuse.

Sorry, but that just ain't so.

Mashed-up text is a STRONG indicator of mashed-up thoughts. When I see a big block like that I ... well let's just say I usually move along to something where someone has taken the time to formulate and organize their thoughts.

Paragraphs were invented for a reason: readability. You may think them trivial, many of us think otherwise.

And now, as a parting offering I give you this:

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Max, just noticed why did you add this to your copy, thats not cool.

Okay, now I really do need to find something else to do. I DIDN'T WRITE THIS..

Please notice that I started and ended your text with quote marks. Placing my text after, outside the quote marks, is perfectly normal and proper presentation.

FWIW, I was referring to your comment earlier:

No offence Max but why don't you go do something ....

Like I said, ya gotta chill a bit!

 

[TOC]

I'm chilled, no disrespect just gave my 2 cents inside your forum. Night and back to the thread as should be. :notworthy

 

[winbig]

Sorry winbig about your eyes but if you can read 200 words on this site you can read 600+. It has nothing to do with paragraphs, that's an excuse. Also maybe it has to do with your computer and software, not sure. My post wasn't that long and I stated my views. How about reading that instead of this BS. I would expect more out of you KK being a webmaster, figure it out! LOL Now back to the thread if we may!!

Dude, or dudette. What the fuck ever. If you don't have the problem, then don't even fucking try to even tell me that it's an excuse. I could go on and on as to why huge ass paragraphs are a pain in the ass for me even to attempt to read, but you're not worth my time or trouble. The fuck it WASNT LONG. WTF. There's newspaper articles that are shorter than your SIX HUNDRED AND SEVEN WORD POST.

And another FYI, I already use larger than normal fonts on my computer, so don't even try to say it's just me. Do you think I'm retarded in the fact that I don't know how to compensate for my eye problems?

Now fucking drop it. Actually, I really don't care one bit if you do or not. I love the ignore function.

If I need a vacation, then fine. But shit like this just pisses me off.

 

[winbig]

This message is hidden because TOC is on your ignore list.

So much quieter and peaceful, now. Case closed.

 

[BingoT]

To tell you the truth I am legally blind (without my glasses) and I know what Winbig is saying here.
But this does not stop me from being a Nurse & running my own business.
It's hard to read things at times even with the glasses on.
~T~