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Rusty

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Seems to me at MG casinos the more you play the more you pay.

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Nice well over 100 spins 9 lines without winning better than X2 bet.

Followed that with my next Four bonus rounds failing to pay more than X10 bet

Followed by managing 1 set of free spins on Jane Blonde out of over 250 spins.

Overall payout abysmal obviously.
This random stuff sure is weird :rolleyes:

Last deposit now and I expect it to go the same way.
Thats entertainment:thumbsup:

Ever made multiple deposits at MG?
Does your losing streak seem to just get worse or have you made a dramatic comeback?
 
Well they just got worse because I just remembered my last few features before this session here.
I was playing loaded and got really bad returns and every feature again paid below X20.
Well I just hit about another 6 Free spin features and they all payed between X5 and X20 bet.
I tried Loaded again because I remembered last time it even gave me Zero for free spins so reckoned I was "due"
Erm nope!
I got the feature 3 times in nearly 600 spins and each time it paid X20 or less
In fact I would have had another Zero but it gave me 2 scatter symbols on the last spin :thumbsup:

Other than 1 free spin round on Beach Babes in which I got just over 10 I would guesstimate none of my last 30+ bonus rounds have paid over X30 bet with nearly all paying X20 or less.
Pretty grim.

I think this is the last Fortune lounge Casino I have open because I have closed all the others because the returns were so bad.
I asked them for my lifetime stats with them but have heard nothing back, maybe they can read this thread and PM me.
 
you lucky lucky Ba***rd ......36p after only 111 spins .... luxury .
i dream of 36p after 111 spins.

know what your sayin tho .... it just does not feel ramdom at the mo ... last session i played at 32 it took 311 spins at 25p to hit freespins and then got 2.30 on 10 freespins x2 ......its just a piss take some days .
and if first deposit is like that ....then no point depositing any more for that day it seems. cos they just go same way, or even worse ...just hover around about your initial deposit amount for about 5million spins then just drop to zero within 10 spins... after wasting about 2 hours .......just really boring bollocks at the momement ....been like that for last 2 months with me at 32....so im givin them a miss for a while i think .....a long while.... still undecided who to change to tho. cant find decent software with decent cust service elswhere.....yet.
 
Been playing there awhile

and I noticed the same thing you have (very meager at best). Even in the past, bad streaks o luck were never in short supply. Wait a minute, oh yeah that is all I ever saw. I don't know why I keep the software on my PC. Maybe some day, some luck? BTW how long have they had the stats thingy? First time I saw it was about a month ago.
 
Hi Rusty, I closed all my accounts in FL last year.Sadly to say but the payout of FL casinos are worse since last year april.

They have lost my business. I used to play there often and enjoy a lot but the good time has gone.
 
Totally agree. I too have stopped playing with FL. I had over 40 casinos on my pc, this time last year, but slowly slowly im whittling them down. I make 3 deposits per casino tops and the ones that dont give me at least decent enjoyment are removed never to see the light of day. Im down to about 18 at the moment and hope to be left with just a handfull. 7 Sultans is just diabolical as far as im concerned :mad:
 
My thread is along the same lines.

I haven't the faintest idea why, but playing MG casinos during the day is just pointless for me. I did 200 spins this morning a 9p, 100 on Thunderstruck and 100 on Ladies Nite....the result? Out of a maximum loss of 18, I lost 15.

For all of us, the stats might not be a big enough example to question the returns we have been getting. But as far as I'm concerned, these figures speak for themselves. Getting a return that low does not give the enthusiasm to keep playing.
 
I think the only hope you have when it is like this is that it is "saving up" for a big win but that would mean it was fixed.
I guess I had better hope it is fixed then, never thought you would hear me say that did you? :p

Actually on a more serious note I think it does show that there is no point flogging a dead horse (chasing losses) you will just beat yourself up.
I should have changed Casino or software (oh I did that to arrive here :eek2:) ok I should have found something else to do and saved my money until next time.

I guess there must be winners at FL, sadly neither I nor you though.

I did a little better for a while after my last break so time for another holiday.
 
That's very true.

Nowadays I know when to give up. When I first started playing, it was always my belief that when a slot wasn't paying, it was going to hit big, and so I continued and continued and continued, and of course it never came. I got into chasing loses in a big way. And it was the worst thing I ever did.

Every time I made a withdrawal, I would look at it in comparison to my deposits, and think to myself 'I need to make x'. Of course every time I did deposit, what I needed to recoup was increased. A vicious circle...

Now, I look at things in a different light. Once I deposit, I consider it lost. Sometimes I have good reason - with 32red's promo, my intention isn't to withdraw, it's to get a good amount of spins for the Slotsmeister. So, come the end of the month, once I play through the bonus, anything I make is pure profit :) In essence, it's not, because I should subtract the deposit, but it makes you feel much better if you don't.

I find it tough to know what I like best. At 3Dice, I can and have hit massive wins on tiny stakes, but the variance is too much. At RTG, my wins have never been that impressive, but the slots are fun, especially hoping the stacked wilds fall in. At Rival, again the variance is too high. And so MG. I've got 1500x line wins many a time, but usually it equates to bet x300 or so. Not massive, but I play there because it gives me value for money.

Or at least until the past few days it did :sob:
 
Made a cashout request March 2nd to debit card still not in my account despite it stating it is processed, this is some BS operation.
Still waiting for stats and have made a request direct to the casino.

By the way that Rat game, its a rip off.
Nearly impossible to get a decent feature hit and actually cheated me by removing a triggering scatter from the 5th reel where it is normally positioned and then again when I hit first Two scatters it did not even show any of the middle Two scatters go past when normally they go past Twice.
What is random about that?
 
It's scary, but I have to agree with all these posts. I have played, and played, and played at 7Sultans and finally gave up. It really does seem that the payouts have changed a great deal. I finally uninstalled the software. I still play at Blackjack Ballroom only because I get some playback at least. It's been since about May last year since I've truly had a good run at a MG casino.:eek:
 
My thread is along the same lines.

I haven't the faintest idea why, but playing MG casinos during the day is just pointless for me. I did 200 spins this morning a 9p, 100 on Thunderstruck and 100 on Ladies Nite....the result? Out of a maximum loss of 18, I lost 15.

For all of us, the stats might not be a big enough example to question the returns we have been getting. But as far as I'm concerned, these figures speak for themselves. Getting a return that low does not give the enthusiasm to keep playing.

Here's a possible answer....I spoke to a manager a Big Dollar less than 2 weeks ago - I had a gripe about my play at Sir Winsalot...I had 2300 spins and didn't hit the 'party' bonus once - I honestly thought something was wrong..Anyways, he rang me back after he 'claimed' he spoke with Microgaming...This manager informed me that MG had told him that it's "just one of those things" that I'd gone 2300 spins without hitting the feature because everyone playing on any given slot at any given MG casino are playing against each other in order to get feautures etc...

...translated; He actually insinuated that I was playing 'at the wrong time' as there'd be someone else out there playing at this slot and they'd be hitting a load of these bonuses - there's only so many to go round you see?....I'm deadly serious with this, this is what he actually told me.

Anyhoo- 30 seconds after our conversation ended I uninstalled Big Dollar and will never, ever return. As well as that, I can confirm that Big Dollar ARE associated with Grand Prive' - At he end of both this manager's Emails to me, it had his name, then the Grande Prive' logo.
 
I played a few times on other Fl casino and my 200% bonus was gone really fast. I have a few accounts with them but I am not gonna do it again any time soon.... I am getting some fun playing at ThePalaceGroup casinos. Don't know why they are different...

This is how long it took to get a free spin round that paid X10 ( even less because i was betting $2 1/3 of the time) :eek2:
 
Here's a possible answer....I spoke to a manager a Big Dollar less than 2 weeks ago - I had a gripe about my play at Sir Winsalot...I had 2300 spins and didn't hit the 'party' bonus once - I honestly thought something was wrong..Anyways, he rang me back after he 'claimed' he spoke with Microgaming...This manager informed me that MG had told him that it's "just one of those things" that I'd gone 2300 spins without hitting the feature because everyone playing on any given slot at any given MG casino are playing against each other in order to get feautures etc...

...translated; He actually insinuated that I was playing 'at the wrong time' as there'd be someone else out there playing at this slot and they'd be hitting a load of these bonuses - there's only so many to go round you see?....I'm deadly serious with this, this is what he actually told me.

Anyhoo- 30 seconds after our conversation ended I uninstalled Big Dollar and will never, ever return. As well as that, I can confirm that Big Dollar ARE associated with Grand Prive' - At he end of both this manager's Emails to me, it had his name, then the Grande Prive' logo.

This Guy would be in some very serious trouble if this got back to MG.
From a software/business perspective though it makes perfect sense because it would essentially control the cash-flow if you had a pool.

Maybe it works in much the same way as the poker with basically a rake being taken from each player and a winning pool being created.
This would ensure maximum profitability and stability at all times.

Increase and decrease your stake/lines on a MG and slot and notice the delay on the next spin.
Why? It should still be instant.
Not because each spin is independent from all others and completely random thats for sure!
It is the system recalculating in some way.

One thing I am 100% certain of is that the slots are not completely random.

PS
Have to agree, Palace Group definitely play better (but they are all supposed to be the same)
I have never had so many free spin rounds pay X20 or less than at FL Casinos and it is not as if they are coming in every 100 spins they actually are less frequent too.
 
This manager informed me that MG had told him that it's "just one of those things" that I'd gone 2300 spins without hitting the feature because everyone playing on any given slot at any given MG casino are playing against each other in order to get feautures etc...
...translated; He actually insinuated that I was playing 'at the wrong time' as there'd be someone else out there playing at this slot and they'd be hitting a load of these bonuses - there's only so many to go round you see?

From a software/business perspective though it makes perfect sense because it would essentially control the cash-flow if you had a pool.

If what pmhcfc heard was true, why everyone complains about lack of bonus rounds :rolleyes:

Who is getting them??
 
I'm sure they could set it to where players that are betting more per spin have 'priority' of getting a bonus round compared to someone that's playing 1c/line...

well, i think logically it makes more sense to give a 'priority' of getting a bonus round with multipliers to low rollers like me but I am sure they have their own things. I doubt they can do it though ;)
 
Here's a possible answer....I spoke to a manager a Big Dollar less than 2 weeks ago - I had a gripe about my play at Sir Winsalot...I had 2300 spins and didn't hit the 'party' bonus once - I honestly thought something was wrong..Anyways, he rang me back after he 'claimed' he spoke with Microgaming...This manager informed me that MG had told him that it's "just one of those things" that I'd gone 2300 spins without hitting the feature because everyone playing on any given slot at any given MG casino are playing against each other in order to get feautures etc...

...translated; He actually insinuated that I was playing 'at the wrong time' as there'd be someone else out there playing at this slot and they'd be hitting a load of these bonuses - there's only so many to go round you see?....I'm deadly serious with this, this is what he actually told me.

Anyhoo- 30 seconds after our conversation ended I uninstalled Big Dollar and will never, ever return. As well as that, I can confirm that Big Dollar ARE associated with Grand Prive' - At he end of both this manager's Emails to me, it had his name, then the Grande Prive' logo.
What that guy told you is obviously baloney, but since he's from Grand Prive that's hardly surprising - it seems they know as much about casino software as they do about business ethics... :mad:

KK
 
What that guy told you is obviously baloney, but since he's from Grand Prive that's hardly surprising - it seems they know as much about casino software as they do about business ethics... :mad:

KK

Mmmmm - I don't doubt that- I doubt he even spoke to MG- why would a basic manager have a 'hotline' direct to the big bods at MG anyway...but as you say, they are affiliated with Grand Prive' - so I guess that explains quite a bit.

Although Rust does make a good point re the delay you get when you change your stakes playing at the slots - it certainly must be a recalculation of some sort. I tend to low-roll these days, although that hasn't always been the case in the past and I've had some fantastic runs on getting bonuses when low-rolling, something that never happens when you're playing for higher stakes.

But finally- I still maintain that MG payouts have changed. In my humble opinion, it's been for about 9 months now. As sad as it seems, I always keep note of the number of spins between bonuses and up until May last year it was extremely unusual to go more than 400 spins without a said bonus, and even then you'd hit another bonus fairly quickly. This, sadly, is no longer the case as I now regularly experience 400 - 700 spins without a bonus triggering. I remain convinced that it's because of the loss of the US market.....I'll take a lot of convincing it's anything else.

If MG ever go back in the states, then I'm sure it'll go back to the way it was...here's hoping.
 
By the way that Rat game, its a rip off.

I disagree. Won $600 on Rat Pack at 7Sultans (the day it was released) on the bonus round. 5 disks :thumbsup:

Though games like Thunderstuck, Ladies Nite and Spring Break are tighter than fishes butt. Even when you get re-trigger spins. If I get 20x total my bet on the free spins I consider I've done ok. These games were a certainty to pay for me...Now they're just crap. And that's at all MG casinos.
 
I disagree. Won $600 on Rat Pack at 7Sultans (the day it was released) on the bonus round. 5 disks :thumbsup:

Though games like Thunderstuck, Ladies Nite and Spring Break are tighter than fishes butt. Even when you get re-trigger spins. If I get 20x total my bet on the free spins I consider I've done ok. These games were a certainty to pay for me...Now they're just crap. And that's at all MG casinos.

I disagree Trezz.
Your Screenshot says it all. 5 Scatters does not even pay that much despite the graphics.
Funny that you got 5 disks straight off, I got 5 Disks on the Day it was released my first feature and crap every feature since.
That just convinces me even more It is a rip off.
Keep playing and see if you still disagree.

PS
I think this slot has a lot going for it and like it but the feature looks as though it will pay poorly 9/10 which would make it a rip off as it is not that easy to hit so let me know either way how you do.
 
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I disagree Trezz.
Your Screenshot says it all. 5 Scatters does not even pay that much despite the graphics.

If you'd have said the pay-outs to wagering is crap on Rat Pack, then I'd agree. Though there seems to be a lot of crappy pay-out slots being introduced by MG lately.

As you've said about Rat Pack...A lot of nice eye candy but that's about it. I suppose that's why I tend to play Isis and Break da Bank Again. Sure they are high variance slots but least when you get a decent win, you get a decent pay-out too.


Cheers
T
 
Though games like Thunderstuck, Ladies Nite and Spring Break are tighter than fishes butt. Even when you get re-trigger spins. If I get 20x total my bet on the free spins I consider I've done ok. These games were a certainty to pay for me...Now they're just crap. And that's at all MG casinos.

Couldn't agree more and I keep getting further evidence to prove my (and others) theory that MG payouts are worsening...especially on slots that used to be 'good payers'.

Last night I had a game of Ladies Night - I had a gut feeling it was on a long streak without a bonus and so it proved; Low rolling I had to wait 428 spins for a bonus - that didn't pay much (x9), then a further 156 spins until the next one (again it wasn't a good payout- x24) and then a further 383 spins without a bonus, at which point I ran out of credits....This NEVER would have happened this time last year, I don't care what anyone says...

I've cut my online gaming by some 80% because of this and other things that seem to be going on. At this rate it won't be long before I stop altogether.
 
Well Well, I have been saying this for yonks....when a new game is released IT will PAY well the FIRST day, then down the tube it goes...I have been playing MG for years and even 32 red is up the putt...Four deposits of 50 plus and honestly ..JACK SHIT...no bonus rounds and the bucks went very fast. Even the 32 red Casino meister comp i am usually up in the top ten, not this month i am on the bottom, and thats where i will stay unless the software decides to give me at least a run,. Dont the casinos realise that if they keep ripping the players off they will not play . I have been playing Red Flush and the same thing, nothing, it makes me wonder if all the games are linked somewhere and when i log off on one casino and go to another the same machine seems to appear and pay nothing, you would think that two different casinos would pay different.
 
Ive been saying for yonks that all MG casinos are linked in some fashion. This becomes self evident if you play for long enough. Several times when `servers` have gone down they have gone down for ALL mg casinos. How can this BE if they are not linked in some fashion?
 
Highly unlikely.
If controls do exist (they almost certainly do in some form) it would make much more sense to keep them local to each Casino being that they are not all owned by the same group.
If Casinos go down at the same time it may well just be they are hosted on the same server.


Still no stats, tum tee tum.
 
I would be very careful playing with 7 Sultans. I know of six different players that have not been paid since December and the casino is not responding to their inquiries. Two of them are filing complaints with their banks and authorizing chargebacks in the next day or so. Don't get caught in the processor bounces that are going to follow.
 
I think you are right.
Another deposit gone in a Two minutes.

Hit Beach babes pretty quick 20 frees at X6
Win Zero :eek2:

Oh what a surprise because the payouts have been so good here. NOT

No chance of ever getting a Penny above my deposit.

and Casinos can not change payout because MG say so? :eek2:.

On the subject of which after repeated requests and reminders I still have not received my stats.

Low returns, unresponsive CS and failure to provide player returns.
Stay away from Fortune Lounge group is my advice.
 
On the subject of which after repeated requests and reminders I still have not received my stats.

Low returns, unresponsive CS and failure to provide player returns.
Stay away from Fortune Lounge group is my advice.

Perhaps it's because I'm staying away from the 3 MG casinos I've been playing at for years, that the returns get worse and worse.

I remember the 3rd casino I deposited at- 20 deposit + 1000% bonus - cashout out over 6k....what's the chances of that happening at a MG casino these days?...nil I suspect.

My 2 latest tries at MG casinos...Breaks da Bank..I know this is high variance, but really!!...562 spins before I hit 3 safes..freespins paid x2 :eek: - then 162 spins before another bonus, that paid x12, then 516 spins before the next one- and that only paid x31...No big wins in between all those either!

Agent Jane was the next one...181 spins without a bonus- that paid x8 then 683 spins before the next one..ok, it paid x100, but by that time I was at minimum stakes...and it went 230 spins again before my funds ran out.....I know I keep saying it but..Jesus H, MG has changed. For YEARS the most I'd gone without a bonus was 402 spins and that was a one-off.

As I said before, I've cut back by 80% ...I think I'll cut back even more now, just getting ridiculous.
 
Perhaps it's because I'm staying away from the 3 MG casinos I've been playing at for years, that the returns get worse and worse.

I remember the 3rd casino I deposited at- 20 deposit + 1000% bonus - cashout out over 6k....what's the chances of that happening at a MG casino these days?...nil I suspect.

My 2 latest tries at MG casinos...Breaks da Bank..I know this is high variance, but really!!...562 spins before I hit 3 safes..freespins paid x2 :eek: - then 162 spins before another bonus, that paid x12, then 516 spins before the next one- and that only paid x31...No big wins in between all those either!

Agent Jane was the next one...181 spins without a bonus- that paid x8 then 683 spins before the next one..ok, it paid x100, but by that time I was at minimum stakes...and it went 230 spins again before my funds ran out.....I know I keep saying it but..Jesus H, MG has changed. For YEARS the most I'd gone without a bonus was 402 spins and that was a one-off.

As I said before, I've cut back by 80% ...I think I'll cut back even more now, just getting ridiculous.

Unfortunately that is the problem with playing high variance slots. Break da Bank, among others, can pay huge. Alternatively, it can pay peanuts and drain your bank even at minimum stakes. On the rare occasions I play it, it's an 'all or nothing' shot.

I've written about the sometimes shocking results of MG games - particularly when I went over 2000 spins without a bonus round. That is, quite frankly, pathetic. Often I'm quite happy to get 30x in the free spins. But that comes down to personal preference.

Good move on your part though. There's no point chasing losses, and especially not if the slots aren't hitting for you!
 
Unfortunately that is the problem with low variance slots too at 7 Sultans.
Just to prove Once and for all how bad their payouts are I made Two more deposits both got eaten fairly quick but tellingly Loaded payed an average of X7 bet out of 3 sets of Free spins I won and that is on a slot and at a Casino that has always slaughtered me.
Managed X10 and X15 on Mad hatters free spins.
Dog Farther I actually managed X30 on 1 of the 3 Free spin rounds the others were lower of course.
Overall return probably around 75% (That is good for this place)

Oh and another fact for those who are still deluded enough to believe that MG casinos can not adjust payout.
I actually can not remember my last retrigger but I would guess it was at least 50 bonus rounds ago.
I have never even come close to something like that before.

Where is the Rep from this dump anyway?
 
Oh and another fact for those who are still deluded enough to believe that MG casinos can not adjust payout.
I actually can not remember my last retrigger but I would guess it was at least 50 bonus rounds ago.
I have never even come close to something like that before.

Where is the Rep from this dump anyway?

LOL @ Rusty - I was going to post the same thing myself...Remember how often MG casinos used to retrigger on the free spins? I remember playing one of the slots once and it retriggered 7 times during the freespins :eek: (cant remember the name of it but you get freespins for hitting the sun on reels 1 and 5)...that wont happen these days...

Anyway, I was was thinking exactly the same as you earlier- it seemed like an age since I had retriggered, then bugger me if Ladies Night didn't retrigger 3 times as I was thinking it! Ha...it was at a different casino to the one I did so badly on the other day mind...I was only playing for 18p per spin but it paid 180x ...so I was quite shocked.

Even so-- retriggers are another thing that happen so much less these days...Oh I so hope the USA is allowed back at MG casinos...happy days may return.
 
wow lol

Seems to me at MG casinos the more you play the more you pay.

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Nice well over 100 spins 9 lines without winning better than X2 bet.

Followed that with my next Four bonus rounds failing to pay more than X10 bet

Followed by managing 1 set of free spins on Jane Blonde out of over 250 spins.

Overall payout abysmal obviously.
This random stuff sure is weird :rolleyes:

Last deposit now and I expect it to go the same way.
Thats entertainment:thumbsup:

Ever made multiple deposits at MG?
Does your losing streak seem to just get worse or have you made a dramatic comeback?

I think I would try to play some where else from now on :confused:
 
One thing I am 100% certain of is that the slots are not completely random.

This isn't just a couple of players who have had a bad run.

Like myself other MG slot players with years of play time are experiencing the same results time and time again. That's the beauty of forums like this, it allows everyone to draw on hindsight.

From my personal perspective things have gone pear shaped with all MG slots. Sure the new releases seem to pay-out fairly decent for the first month, but they too turn stingy.

For example. Over the course of the past 3 months I've had up to an amazing 7x re-triggered free spins on the following MG slots. Free spin winning amounts are all very pissy indeed.

Isis: 145 free spins from one initial free spin round
Won at $1 a bet
Each free spin equals 6x original bet ($6) a wild doubles this win on any winning pay line (except scatters).
Total amount won $131

Spring Break: 105 free spins from one initial free spin round
Won at .45 cents a bet
Each spin equals 3x original bet ($1.35) a wild doubles a win on any winning pay line (except scatters).
Total amount won $53


Thunderstuck: 105 free spins from one initial free spin round
Won at .90 cents a bet
Each spin equals 3x original bet ($2.70) a wild doubles a win on any winning pay line (except scatters).
Total amount won $97

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Although I've never had so many re-triggered free spins ever, when I did get re-triggered free spins previously (to the MG slots going pear shaped), I could guarantee within 99.999% accuracy that I'd get a decent pay-out when the re-triggered free spins activated on any MG slot.

Long gone are the days of getting 5 hammers or 5 staffs & a wild on the free spins in Thunderstuck. It's the same status quo for the others too.

Up until the last MG update (beginning of this month March 2009) Isis was although producing some sh#t it was also paying out some decent wins too. This month I've noticed a drastic change is Isis also.

Reiterating the people (like myself) who are noticing these MG slot peculiarities are long term MG slot players. Speaking for myself I know I have untold millions x millions x millions of spins under my belt. All of which I can form an educated evaluation that something is not kosha with MG slots any more.

It got so bad this month that I contacted casino management on two separate occasions. On both times I was informed that my session gave me less that 1/2 what is an expected pay-back return on Isis.

Although I did receive a comp both times, that's not the point.

I would choose to play MG slots because I honestly felt I had a chance of winning. Granted not every time but a chance all the same. If I didn't get to cash out I at least benefited from the knowledge that in most times I'd get decent play period for my deposit(s).

As far as MG slots being random I don't think they've every been random in the true sense of that meaning. However as said above at least I always felt I had a chance.

Besides Lady Luck seems to favour me playing on MG slots. But even she has done an exit stage right :eek2:

It's not until I have sat back and taken a good hard look at all my MG slots play that I can now see I huge divergence in what I considered to be acceptable play and to what I see as less than acceptable now.

On reflection over the last 14 months or so MG slots IMHO have gone from worse to worse. Again IMHO this is just not isolated to FL group either. It's global on all casinos running MG software.

[derail]
Playing the devils advocate, the indisputable fact is that since the UIGEA online casinos have suffered big losses. The collateral damage has been evident with the closure of such trusted names as Global Player and both of Lasseters online casinos.

Marketing of casinos that are still operations has become in some parts militant & properties that you could testify would not spam, have been busted spamming. To me that's a clear indication that desperate times are calling for desperate measures.
[/derail]

When one combines this with players stating that MG slots have noticeably changed in their pay-outs, I think it's time that these claims were taken seriously.

Players are no longer the mindless fools that will swallow the usual excuses given by MG support staff "Our games operate on a RNG (random number generator)" or words to that affect.

From where I'm standing (again IMHO) if this was any other casino software questions of legitimacy would have been asked and proof sought.

Has anyone approached eCogra on this - they do after all run the auditing percentage returns of all sealed MG casinos, do they not?

Then again (and no this is not a snide back handed slap) just another point of factual reference, although Roger Raatgever has stepped down from the board of eCogra, in his place has stepped Chris Hobbs (Head of Corporate Affairs for Microgaming Software Systems).

As the non executive directors hold the final vote over all eCogra board decisions, this only leads itself to further speculation of "conflict of interest", especially at a time like this.



Cheers
T
 
I think regarding return percentages the most reliable source are your own statistics, providing the Casino will provide you with them :rolleyes:
Enough said.
 
The "conflict of interest" at eCogra will nullify any fairness of service. I just talked a couple of players from 7Sultans out of chargebacks and into giving eCogra a try first. Well, I guess this will put their integrity and distinction to the test.
 
This isn't just a couple of players who have had a bad run.

Like myself other MG slot players with years of play time are experiencing the same results time and time again. That's the beauty of forums like this, it allows everyone to draw on hindsight.

From my personal perspective things have gone pear shaped with all MG slots. Sure the new releases seem to pay-out fairly decent for the first month, but they too turn stingy.

For example. Over the course of the past 3 months I've had up to an amazing 7x re-triggered free spins on the following MG slots. Free spin winning amounts are all very pissy indeed.

Isis: 145 free spins from one initial free spin round
Won at $1 a bet
Each free spin equals 6x original bet ($6) a wild doubles this win on any winning pay line (except scatters).
Total amount won $131

Spring Break: 105 free spins from one initial free spin round
Won at .45 cents a bet
Each spin equals 3x original bet ($1.35) a wild doubles a win on any winning pay line (except scatters).
Total amount won $53


Thunderstuck: 105 free spins from one initial free spin round
Won at .90 cents a bet
Each spin equals 3x original bet ($2.70) a wild doubles a win on any winning pay line (except scatters).
Total amount won $97


Cheers
T

I should 'double' thank you for this post, because it further highlights the
whole situaion with MG casinos for me. To see (and hear) other MG veterans experiencing the same, and thinking the same, as me has made me realise I'm only going to start chasing losses if I carry on. It's time for me to uninstall these MG casinos and leave it there.

It is a real shame actually because MG casinos have been the only one's I've truly enjoyed playing at over the years. Sure, I've had the odd good win at 'the others' but I didn't enjoy their slots as much. Until MG go back to the way they once were (that being; a fair chance of a cashout and/or decent playtime for one's deposit), then they've lost yet another 'long term' player.

I'm not the first and won't be the last...shame on you MG!
 
Well, call me bonkers, but I see absolutely not one lick of difference in play, as I've said a million times.

I've been playing online 9 years, MG from the start, and there are hot and cold times, just like always. My payout at the one MG I play at is slightly over 96% over four years worth of play...and millions upon millions of spins.

I must be playing a different version of software from all you guys. I can say that one thing I've learned is to switch up games more often. Eventually I tend to find one that will be looser than others, and give me some playtime.

Carry on. :cool:
 

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