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RTG software..is it fixed..?

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Back in the late 1990's my husband and I owned a company that built computers and sold all the components and memory, motherboards..etc. I know about hardware and operating systems but little about software as each program is differant. I know that in land based casinos (at least in the USA) slots are driven by an Eprom which is programed to pay out randomly at a certian % over the life of the machine. The higher dollar amt machines have the higher percent payout. The casinos have to tell you where the machines are, but there are so many machine in each casino that it truly is luck to find the right machine. I have been playing online for just about a year now and I'm seeing things that don't make much sense, like in another forum the admin. posts winning screen shots at least twice a week could he be that lucky? and the mods are also posting very often and these aren't small wins. It's starting to look like the casino's can set who wins and who doesn't. does anyone know how this software works I would really like to know before I invest any more money.
 
Back in the late 1990's my husband and I owned a company that built computers and sold all the components and memory, motherboards..etc. I know about hardware and operating systems but little about software as each program is differant. I know that in land based casinos (at least in the USA) slots are driven by an Eprom which is programed to pay out randomly at a certian % over the life of the machine. The higher dollar amt machines have the higher percent payout. The casinos have to tell you where the machines are, but there are so many machine in each casino that it truly is luck to find the right machine. I have been playing online for just about a year now and I'm seeing things that don't make much sense, like in another forum the admin. posts winning screen shots at least twice a week could he be that lucky? and the mods are also posting very often and these aren't small wins. It's starting to look like the casino's can set who wins and who doesn't. does anyone know how this software works I would really like to know before I invest any more money.

I HAVE been checking the winning screenshots here every time i see that there is a new one...i also noticed that the admin seems to win alot..not to mention i see the same people winning big all the time...for it to be so many people in this forum..i often wonder y the same names often..

BUT, then again i have to say to myself if i had found out about this forum say a year ago..people might have said the same thing about me..i was hitting constently at intertops green..would have shown some beautiful screenshots...(just didn't know when to cash out)lol..

BUT, yes it does make me wonder if the same people win all the time
 
You are forgetting the length of time players are actually playing, and how much they are depositing each time.

If I played for 18 hours straight and made 15 deposits, during that time the chances are I'm going to have a few screenshots worthy of posting.

It doesn't mean the player has anything left at the end or made a profit.
 
You are forgetting the length of time players are actually playing, and how much they are depositing each time.

If I played for 18 hours straight and made 15 deposits, during that time the chances are I'm going to have a few screenshots worthy of posting.

It doesn't mean the player has anything left at the end or made a profit.

Exactly !!!!!
 
You are forgetting the length of time players are actually playing, and how much they are depositing each time.

If I played for 18 hours straight and made 15 deposits, during that time the chances are I'm going to have a few screenshots worthy of posting.

It doesn't mean the player has anything left at the end or made a profit.

i dissagree, you see some people post screenshots every other day or two days. are they playing 24/7? are they making deposits every hour? don't think so. it seems that they are lucky every time they deposit and it doesn't mather wich casino they use either. i am sure their are other players that make lots of deposits but never win a big amount. wich makes me go think a theory that they are winning based on their ip adres. how about that for a thought, some people always win, others never win because winnings are based on their ip. i think i better go find me a winning ip :eek2:
 
hi speaking from some play at a few casinos i would also agree with the later part of the above thread , i realy dont think its down to luck it would be thinking more like ip address aswell , i myself did hit a random jackpot of 2,800 at club world , my deposits was around 360 us dollars , so as a player i had the chance to realy test out the software at club world first i toyed with taking out 2k but thought right lets play with there monies , believe me it wasnt a pretty site after all that i had won i stepped up to 5$ bets shit it was like water it went that fast ,i did hit a couple of features which you would think i would get a ok return on , well tbh i didnt i , worst slot was out of this world which i do very well at normally 600 + spins 1 feature , then i changed tatics to cards & roullette, the same result it knew 100% that i had won & before you say it yes i should of cashed out . (my choice) but on the other hand i had the monies to give it a full test out properly , so theres a little advice when playing )
 
So very true. I have made lots of screenshots because I like to share them but what you don't see is how many spins or deposits it took.

A winning screenshot does not mean it is a winning session.[/QUOTE]

This is so true, many screenshots i have put up in the past and trust me, i was behind the eight ball and the casino was way ahead:o..............laurie
 
I personally don't think RTG is rigged but I'm sure they set their software at a certain % just like all the other software providers. I don't believe in the IP address theory, not sure. Although I do wonder If a casino can request the payout % from the software provider during the set-up process, or if the software provider has a required payout % when using their name and software. That make more since to me because a greedy casino could kill the software providers good name if the casino had the power to make you win or lose. I think I recently read a thread somewhere where some casino told a customer they changed software providers because their other one was paying out too much. Well, that would tell me the casino can't adjust the payout % any time they wanted. I've also wondered that if RTG was rigged or any other accredited software provider then why doesn't some anti-gambling group start a casino and expose to all the gamblers just how we're all being ripped off. If anyone wants to fund me with a million or so, I'll get this rolling tomorrow! :) If the accredited software providers are rigged then it's the best kept secret I've ever seen and in a world where everything comes out. Rouge casinos and software is a whole new thread.
 
Fixed?

Oh I love these questions and have been too chicken to ask. I agree with I.P. but think time of day/night should be listed also. Honestly speaking, I'm not sure I want to know the whole truth lol but will probably analyze myself right into the funny farm one of these days over it. :baby:
 
I think the IP idea is a bunch of crock
as for the same people posting winning screen shots they dont say yes I cashed out
alot post a screen shot cause it looks good but I doubt very many cash out this is my own thoughts
If I post a screen shot then I cashed out I wont post unless I have cashed out I think it is misleading agaim my opinion
there are some that post them just to be posting no I am not gonna name any names there are some that post screen shots that are not real play there are some that post from 3Dice tourneys which shoe that they have won $1000s an they end up winning any where from $10 to $250 in the tourneys
so just because they post a screen shot does not mean that they are winners
an No I am not calling yas losers either


Cindy:rolleyes:
 
I personally don't think RTG is rigged but I'm sure they set their software at a certain % just like all the other software providers. I don't believe in the IP address theory, not sure. Although I do wonder If a casino can request the payout % from the software provider during the set-up process, or if the software provider has a required payout % when using their name and software. That make more since to me because a greedy casino could kill the software providers good name if the casino had the power to make you win or lose. I think I recently read a thread somewhere where some casino told a customer they changed software providers because their other one was paying out too much. Well, that would tell me the casino can't adjust the payout % any time they wanted. I've also wondered that if RTG was rigged or any other accredited software provider then why doesn't some anti-gambling group start a casino and expose to all the gamblers just how we're all being ripped off. .

i believe the casino has to apply to rtg to have the payout % changed and cant do this themselves, how often they can do this is a mystery, with the different payout % comes different reel layouts ie more/less wilds/scatters,



this was an interesting thread about rtg ,
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-changed-gameplay.31688/
 
i believe the casino has to apply to rtg to have the payout % changed and cant do this themselves,


Do you have any reason to believe this? RTG slots payouts can be adjusted by slot and coin size. I'm willing to bet that most casinos don't have multiple players playing the exact same slot at the same coin size at the same time. So it is possible that they can change the payout just for you.
 
TOC I understand what you are saying but I do have some unanswered questons about these casinos. I do know that the parameters can be changed with software and can react to certian logins, just like identifying you as a registered player or if your able to redeem a free chip or bonus so why not identifying as a preferred player. I have seen at another forum the admin. posting at least twice a week winning screen shots, and they are not small ones. It always seem to be at a casino that they are promoting at that time. I see many problems with online casinos, they have less overhead than land based casinos but give the player nothing. If I go to any casino in Atlantic City and play for one day, lets say I play $250, I recieve at least $5 in comp points and get anywhere from $5 to $50 in slot coupons in the mail. I have been depositing every day for two weeks into a casino in the Rushmore group and recieve nothing "they don't give free bonuses" I won $500 once and they took so long to process my withdrawal that I reversed it and lost it, and since then I can't win a thing not even break even. Before my win I could at least play for hours but after, I lose very quickly. I don't know but I have been gambling at land based casinos for many years and I don't win every time but there are more times that not that I break even, not online. If I had a problem at any land based casino they would throw me a bone, something, a free dinner or a slot comp but not online. I had a problem, and even went to the casino rep, they sent me my play log and told me that thier software was working properly, but the log didn't show all the times that I was kicked off or the software froze and I had to log out and then log back in they offered no remedy or explaination for what happened. So I do believe they pick and choose who wins and who loseses.
 
TOC I understand what you are saying but I do have some unanswered questons about these casinos. I do know that the parameters can be changed with software and can react to certian logins, just like identifying you as a registered player or if your able to redeem a free chip or bonus so why not identifying as a preferred player. I have seen at another forum the admin. posting at least twice a week winning screen shots, and they are not small ones. It always seem to be at a casino that they are promoting at that time. I see many problems with online casinos, they have less overhead than land based casinos but give the player nothing. If I go to any casino in Atlantic City and play for one day, lets say I play $250, I recieve at least $5 in comp points and get anywhere from $5 to $50 in slot coupons in the mail. I have been depositing every day for two weeks into a casino in the Rushmore group and recieve nothing "they don't give free bonuses" I won $500 once and they took so long to process my withdrawal that I reversed it and lost it, and since then I can't win a thing not even break even. Before my win I could at least play for hours but after, I lose very quickly. I don't know but I have been gambling at land based casinos for many years and I don't win every time but there are more times that not that I break even, not online. If I had a problem at any land based casino they would throw me a bone, something, a free dinner or a slot comp but not online. I had a problem, and even went to the casino rep, they sent me my play log and told me that thier software was working properly, but the log didn't show all the times that I was kicked off or the software froze and I had to log out and then log back in they offered no remedy or explaination for what happened. So I do believe they pick and choose who wins and who loseses.

I have to be blunt here, bizarre theories about IP address, players, location being prefered is simply horseshit. Where you come up with these mental ideas, I'll never know.

In the main (rogue casinos can do anything I suppose), legitimate casinos are a business and they aren't going to risk it all by paying the same players over and over. They are discovered to be doing something like this, and it's game over for their rep. What good would it do them anyway?

Yes, certain players are rewarded more with quicker payouts and comps, but thats because they lose far more.

Jesus if you truly believe these certain casinos are crooked, stay the fuck away from them!

Apologies for being antagonistic, but the excuses gamblers use for losing sometimes makes me equal parts astounded and annoyed. You know the risks, get over it.
 
let me explain why i have this weird theory about the ip adresses. before i started playing at casinos i was a frequent player on online sweepstakes and flash games where you could win prizes. you know those games where you get one chance a day to win and is totaly random. a local newspaper here organizes these online flashgames regularly and me and a few other people of our forum found out that it was always the same people who won on these games. note that it isn't a skill based game, it's a luck of the draw game. so me and a few others of our forum digged a bit deeper and we found out that the people who where winning all came from the same area in flanders. so we started thinking about the ip theory. and since casino games are also flash...
 
I have to be blunt here, bizarre theories about IP address, players, location being prefered is simply horseshit. Where you come up with these mental ideas, I'll never know.

In the main (rogue casinos can do anything I suppose), legitimate casinos are a business and they aren't going to risk it all by paying the same players over and over. They are discovered to be doing something like this, and it's game over for their rep. What good would it do them anyway?

Yes, certain players are rewarded more with quicker payouts and comps, but thats because they lose far more.

Jesus if you truly believe these certain casinos are crooked, stay the fuck away from them!

Apologies for being antagonistic, but the excuses gamblers use for losing sometimes makes me equal parts astounded and annoyed. You know the risks, get over it.

I'm not looking for an excuse for losing I have lost thousands in one day and have also won thousands in land based casinos, I know the drill, but I just encountered some strange happenings with a reputable casino's software and it was too much of a coincidence that after receiving Random Jackpot errors and being kicked off several times and than not being able to log back in for at least an hour, I can't play on my deposits for more than twenty minutes. There is no give and take, the casino sent me my play log and it doesn't show any of these occurances..Why? And even if I'm totally wrong and my bad luck has nothing to do with the software issue you would think that the casino would do something for me like maybe a comp or I'm sorry this happened. It's called good customer service, when you ignore a customer problem, even if the casino did nothing wrong it sends up a red flag to the customer. And people become suspicious of the lack of concern on the part of the casino.
 
I agree !
If you all really feel the casinos are rigged by IP addresses and such then why are you still playing ? If I really believed that stuff they wouldn't be on my computer anymore . Why in the world would you keep feeding them your money?
 
i did a sweep last night cleaning my desktop of all the casinos where i had no luck after two deposits ;) the casinos that i trust most AND won a fair amount at are 32red, buzzluck, jackpot capital ,vegas regal, intercasino and vegas towers wich i first thought was bad :o casinos that i don't wanna see or hear again are club world, river belle, jackpot city, all slots, paddypower and bet 365.
 
If I did a sweep of all casinos that I had no luck at after two deposits I'd wear my broom down to a nub and develop a callus.
 
First, many people who operate gambling portals are affiliates in that they derive some revenue for referrals. Many casinos allow a sort of lateral tramsfer of funds, upon request, as credits in their casino. For certain people who have been affiliates a long time, this can amount to a subtantial sum.

but in order for the "IP Theory" to be feasible, you'd have to see not only the same IP's but the same casinos: primarily the ones the affiliate "promotes". This would be the only logic in doing it.

Second, almost all major gaming software providers maintain a central server, which means the casino operator simply does not have access to the codes (if they even exist) to juice up the machinery. It would be like you being able to gain access to your onw Internet Service Provider's central Admin Dept. The "casino" itself is merely a bank or network which can be located anywhere in the world, but the server is in only ONE location, and reputable casinos exercise very tight security measures; more than you would imagine!

Third, the use of the terms "program" and "random" do seen to negate each other. Software is "programmed" and predictable by nature, and thus cannot truly be "random". Random Number Generators, are "keyed" off a predetermined central point. Knowing what that central point is would then and only then, allow somone who DID have access to the main server to "predict" future results of the software. But even then, predicting a result is not the same as CAUSING the result anymore than it is when a siesmologist who predicts a major quake CAUSES the quake.

The Random Number Generator is "random" in that it is not sequential say, like when in a business, various operators who have access to a network can log on and get the "next" purchase order number generated by rotation.

Rather, in this scenario, the purchase order number can be made to be "random" as long as it obeys the program of not exceeding say 9 digits and not duplicating the same sequence.

I use 9 as an example of a 9 line slot, single coin. The RNG is able to produce any number of varying results as long as it remains within the parameters of the program. So in theory, it is possible to hit the top payout several times in a row, but the Law Of Averages dictates the probability of this is next to nil.

A truly random event would be tossing a coin. The only outcomes (the preset parameters) are that the coin will either land on heads or tails, thus giving a statistical odds of 50/50. BUT one cannot predict how many times out of say, 10,000 tosses, the coin will land on heads. When you translate this same "logic" to casino software, it isn't hard to understand that the software obeys the same paramenters, even if they are created by a IT geek.

Bottom line: "random" as the term is applied to typical casino software merely means that whatever "central point" the RNG keys off of dictates when and how much a payout will be. Even at this, a program can be created whereby there is still such unpredictability as to when this event will occur, that the integrity of the system is still maintained.

Yes, casino software can be manipulated, however the major software providers who own the license and "lease" the mainframe, are the ONLY persons who can do this, and simply speaking, their fee structure to the licensee does not include a profit motive for them to do so.

Since the brand mentioned is Real Time Gaming, let me say that in my very UNexpert opinion, RTG slots are about as "random" as they come, but in comparison, I do believe them to be programmed at a lower than average variance, meaning that the rate and increment of pay out vs. coins played reamins on the lower tier of percentages.
 
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I think it means "there would be nothing left". Of course, I'm getting a strong and overly detailed vision of Thunderstruck, and Thor's hand on the "brown handle". ;)



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Thor should have carried a broom. He could have cleaned up after that goat.
 
i dissagree, you see some people post screenshots every other day or two days. are they playing 24/7? are they making deposits every hour? don't think so. it seems that they are lucky every time they deposit and it doesn't mather wich casino they use either. i am sure their are other players that make lots of deposits but never win a big amount. wich makes me go think a theory that they are winning based on their ip adres. how about that for a thought, some people always win, others never win because winnings are based on their ip. i think i better go find me a winning ip :eek2:

Are they playing 24/7? probably. I do it more than not. Are they making deposits every hour? If they arn't losing as much as me they wouldn't have to make deposits every 10 minutes. Every hour sounds heavenly! Do I have screenshots that would rival yours? Most definitely. My screenshots if I do say so myself are extremely impressive. Oh! I forgot one thing! Did I mention how much it really cost me? Oops! I guess I did leave out that one small detail........
 
if you have lost thousand of euros then you are addicted and you have a problem. big winners all seem to give the excuze that they lose more money then they win but any sensible person would stop playing if they had lost lets say 10000 over the years. with these big depositers and big winners money laundry comes to mind as it is a perfect way to convert black money into white.
you can be the owner of a bussiness lets say a pub and beleive me i know all the tricks bussiness owners do to avoid paying taxes but then they are stuck with this big pile of black money and what better way then to play that money on the casino.
 
Nothing to do with the original thread question, "rtg software is it fixed", but i would like to respond to the following comment:

"if you have lost thousand of euros then you are addicted and you have a problem. big winners all seem to give the excuze that they lose more money then they win but any sensible person would stop playing if they had lost lets say 10000 over the years."


In my opinion, the amount of money you may have lost playing on-line is not necessarily the determiniation of whether you have an addiction or not--you could lose hundreds and be addicted, or lose thousands and not be addicted; everyone has a different bankroll-level of solvency.
For me, signs of addiction are, out of control playing--continuing when you know you should stop, lying to your family/friends, chasing losses, playing more money than you have available, being preoccupied, etc.
Pam
 
Just a curious question I have. Like the two proven online poker scandals, in both cases someone was able to access allegedly hidden codes so certain players would know all the cards being played in real time.

Lets allege my brother worked or owned one of these casino servers with the access to all the sensitive information. What would stop him from feeding my IP address with winning codes, or whatever to make me a big winner?

I'm a firm believer that when and where ever money is involved, especially when gambling is involved; if there is a way to cheat for personal gain, consider it done. And if done properly and not greedy there's a good chance of not getting caught. When you behave like the greedy assholes at the busted poker sites, of course you get caught. But if done right you'll slowly become rich.

Similar like that guy that collected parking fees for that zoo in England for 25 years without ever missing a day, or having a family member fill in for him when he wasn't there. He collected like 25 million dollars and just vanished after 25 years. When the zoo people called for a replacement from the government, they responded what parking attendant? I'll follow up with the whole article later.

Anyhow, my point is that I'm not sure about the ability of per say actual casinos being able to pull off cheating, but I'm certain that some form of cheating some where is being done.
 
Are they playing 24/7? probably. I do it more than not. Are they making deposits every hour? If they arn't losing as much as me they wouldn't have to make deposits every 10 minutes. Every hour sounds heavenly! Do I have screenshots that would rival yours? Most definitely. My screenshots if I do say so myself are extremely impressive. Oh! I forgot one thing! Did I mention how much it really cost me? Oops! I guess I did leave out that one small detail........

I think that's a really important point to make Prindi. People should always keep in mind that the Winner's Screenshot thread is nothing more than "highlights" of gaming sessions. No one knows how much money, and time, was spent to get that one big screenie. It's crucial to keep it all in perspective.

In my opinion, the amount of money you may have lost playing on-line is not necessarily the determiniation of whether you have an addiction or not--you could lose hundreds and be addicted, or lose thousands and not be addicted; everyone has a different bankroll-level of solvency.
For me, signs of addiction are, out of control playing--continuing when you know you should stop, lying to your family/friends, chasing losses, playing more money than you have available, being preoccupied, etc.
Pam

And another great point Pam. Amount of money lost/spent is totally relative to the gambler. While a $50 deposit to me would be huge....for someone else, that may be simply one hand of blackjack, or one spin of a slot. What I spend in a month, they may spend in a few minutes, and it doesn't bother them at all (mentally or financially) to lose it.

The other things you list are really what determine a true addiction...what affects your life in other ways. I'm not saying that the financial aspect isn't important, but it's really only relevant if you're spending more than you can afford, and letting other things suffer (ie. bills, etc) because of it.
 
I'll follow up with the whole article later.



Heres that article I mentioned I would post. Have a scanner, but not sure how to eventually get it here, so I just typed it.

Outside the Bristol Zoo, in England, there is a parking lot for 150 cars and 8 coaches, or buses.

It was manned by a very pleasant attendant with a ticket machine charging L1 (about $1.40) and coaches L5 (about $7.00).

This parking attendant worked there solid for all of 25 years. Then, one day, he just didnt turn up for work.

Oh well, said Bristol Zoo Management-wed better phone up the City Council and get them to send a new parking attendant.

Errno, said the Council, that parking lot is your responsibility.

Errno, said Bristol Zoo Management, the attendant was employed by the City Council, wasnt he?

Err no! insisted the Council.

Sitting in his villa somewhere on the coast of Spain (presumably) is a man who had been taking the parking lot fees, estimated at L400 (about $560.00) per day at Bristol Zoo for the last 25 years. Assuming 7 days a week, this amounts to just over L3.6 million
($7 million dollars- or $280,000 every year for 25 years)!

And no one even knows his name.



(Sorry dont have the pound symbol, had to use an L)
 
Heres that article I mentioned I would post. Have a scanner, but not sure how to eventually get it here, so I just typed it.

Outside the Bristol Zoo, in England, there is a parking lot for 150 cars and 8 coaches, or buses.

It was manned by a very pleasant attendant with a ticket machine charging L1 (about $1.40) and coaches L5 (about $7.00).

This parking attendant worked there solid for all of 25 years. Then, one day, he just didnt turn up for work.

Oh well, said Bristol Zoo Management-wed better phone up the City Council and get them to send a new parking attendant.

Errno, said the Council, that parking lot is your responsibility.

Errno, said Bristol Zoo Management, the attendant was employed by the City Council, wasnt he?

Err no! insisted the Council.

Sitting in his villa somewhere on the coast of Spain (presumably) is a man who had been taking the parking lot fees, estimated at L400 (about $560.00) per day at Bristol Zoo for the last 25 years. Assuming 7 days a week, this amounts to just over L3.6 million
($7 million dollars- or $280,000 every year for 25 years)!

And no one even knows his name.



(Sorry dont have the pound symbol, had to use an L)


This is just amazing! I would be so nervous EVERY day, how did he do it, why so long and why didn't the Zoo know?
 
An exerpt from an article at Snopes.com

In reference to the Bristol Zoo, at least, this tale is purely the stuff of fiction rather than fact. The Bristol Zoo says it has never experienced any confusion over parking attendants, and that it has several attendants and more than one car park, none open to coaches. Moreover, in response to our inquiry about the tale, a Bristol Zoo representative told us:
We have had numerous similar enquiries lately but I can assure you that this rumour is not true.
A version of this story did appear in the Bristol Evening Post back in 2007, but it was as part of a feature on urban myths published to coincide with April Fool's Day, not as a reporting of a real-life event.
 

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