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RTG - changed gameplay?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, Jun 9, 2009.

    Jun 9, 2009
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    I am not sure on this because I stopped playing RTG but tried Casino Titan out of curiosity to see if CS etc was as described in a thread here.

    CS is very friendly and responsive even though my deposit went the usual way.
    You can now play 3 or 4 coins as well as 1 or 2.
    Good move there but here is the strange thing, the games no longer play the same. :confused:
    So for example in Cleopatras Gold when you get the long spin it spins much longer than before and I had no idea if the scatter would hit as it was completely different. (the chime when scatter lands has been fixed)

    Now the change to the stake system and how the slots play may seem completely unrelated but why has the gameplay changed?

    Without employing my curious mind - I would just say that the stake system is an improvement and long overdue but not sure what has changed in the slot programming or what the purpose is.

    So people what do you think?
    Is this the same at all RTG's?
     
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  2. Jun 9, 2009
  3. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    I dont know but I happened to play about 24 hours ago at Titan and they underwent maintenance and I wasnt able to play for half an hour. Could it have been this?:D However, the bug could have been fixed before this and that is a plus for RTG going to the right direction. As for 3-4 coins, It is good for many those playing with a bonus as they get to play $0.60$0.75 or $0.80$1.00 stakes at the 20line/25-line slots. Previously the juunp from 2 coins to 5 coins was too steep and many would not like to risk their playtime against clearing WRs though at 2 coins you are caught dead usually even with a big win.

    Seems you have been lured back to RTG Rusty. Go get
    some big wins. You are overdue for a change of luck.
     
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  4. Jun 9, 2009
  5. slotheadlizard

    slotheadlizard Senior Member

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    Rusty, you are right. It goes like that up to 2.50, then the usual 6.75. I think its great! No longer do you have to go from 50c up to 1.25.

    I was already playing in fun mode at CTitan because they have the new slots. They seem pretty fun. Anyone know when the other rtgs will add the new slots? I can't find them on any of the CM listed casinos, although I like Casino Titan.

    You may be right, they do seem to take an extra turn or two! I wonder if that's on purpose. It doesn't really bother me though, sort of prolongs the suspense.
     
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  6. Jun 9, 2009
  7. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Thanks Guys,
    The thing is you could always predict with 100% accuracy (if a slot junkie) when you would hit the feature becaase of where the long spin started.
    That seems to have changed at Titan or was it a bug I encountered or have all RTG changed?
    Is there a relationship between the improved staking system and the new way the games play?
     
  8. Jun 9, 2009
  9. slotheadlizard

    slotheadlizard Senior Member

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    No, I have only so far seen the change at Casin Titan, and Lucky18:confused:
     
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  10. Jun 9, 2009
  11. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Does Lucky 18 have the new stake system as well?
    Do the other Casinos with the old gameplay have the new stake system?
    I wish to know if there is a link.
     
  12. Jun 9, 2009
  13. zebedy

    zebedy No!!!! Im Spartacus MM webmeister

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    i hope all rtg casino's take up the 3&4 coin bet sizes :)
     
  14. Jun 9, 2009
  15. cpdnd31

    cpdnd31 Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    What new slots?:)
     
  16. Jun 9, 2009
  17. slotheadlizard

    slotheadlizard Senior Member

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    Texan Tycoon, and Loose Caboose-I think, but only at a few so far.
     
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  18. Jun 9, 2009
  19. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

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    snip. read slotheadlizards edit

    Well could add that the new stake system is a big step forward.
     
  20. Jun 10, 2009
  21. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    This should be huge news but I guess it is normal with the industry being so unregulated.
    The reel layouts are different!
    Just noticed this with a little more play.
    So I could play the same slot on the same software at Two different Casinos and be playing Two different games. :confused:

    Well in truth that situation has always existed because the return is not based on the paytable and probability of outcome but there ya go.

    Can you imagine playing the same slot at MG with Two different reel layouts?
    Bizzare, I assume they will update all the Casinos with this new version of the software eventually but you would think they would of all updated at the same time with the relevant announcement to the players.
    Oh F*** the players - I was at the meeting ;)
     
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  22. Jun 10, 2009
  23. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    OK I have conluded my test of this Casino and my advice?
    Steer well clear. (that would go for all RTG but I know you don't listen :eek2:)

    How RTG software is not at least "not recommended" is beyond me.
    It should actually be rogued but I am trying to be diplomatic.

    How can you have Two different versions of the same slots running at the same time?

    Extra symbols have been added here (Casino Titan) but no extra scatters so even if you ever believed the software was fair (Free head testing here) the features are less likely to trigger so obviously lower return.

    Maybe they have increased variance by giving higher free spin wins?
    If they have that would prove the software is rigged anyway.

    So slot mechanics changed with no explanation or information supplied to the player. (A huge no, no if regulated)

    Absolute silence on how the Rushmore RJ's are so much higher than anywhere else even accounting for slots being linked.

    No explanation of why the software has different payout returns and which Casinos offer which return.

    It is a ridiculous situation and speaks volumes for the lack of any regulation imposed on any of these Casinos.
     
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  24. Jun 10, 2009
  25. DogBoy001

    DogBoy001 Senior Member webmeister

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    Rusty, you know there are multiple RTP versions of all the reel series games.

    So yes, it is entirely possible to have 2 different (RTP) versions of the same slot running at the same time on different casinos.

    And you've answered your own question.
    To create a higher or lower RTP version reel strips may very well be altered by adding or deleting several symbols from 1 or more reels (in Cleopatras case there is a chance where 2 symbols are added to reel 2).

    There's nothing untoward about this, and even in traditional, land-based casinos operators are permitted to make changes to the RTP in use, and no, they do not have to advertise this to players.
    In Australia operators are allowed to switch from one RTP version to another once every 30 days.

    Woooof
     
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  26. Jun 10, 2009
  27. slotheadlizard

    slotheadlizard Senior Member

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    Wow, you have made some really good observations today. I don't really understand the techie talk, but it sounds important. However, I must respectfully disagree with discontinuing to play all rtg slots. I as a player really like most of them.

    I am even more, not less enthused about the denomination change at a couple of casinos. What I am most happy about is the return of Sherlock at a couple of the casinos previously mentioned on this thread today. It was my fav. game until it left, and my play with rtg went down because of it. It is now back and re branded as London Inspector. Yippee
     
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  28. Jun 10, 2009
  29. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Yes, I am already familiar with old RTG switcheroo but this is something else.

    All the RTG Casinos I have played, maybe 20 or 30 and Millions of spins this is the First time i have experienced these extra long reel strips.
    It is not just cleopatras Gold or One reel or even 1 or 2 symbols it is all the slots I tried and several reels and several symbols added so this is a new thing not something that has been around before so we can nip that in the bud before we start.
    Just to emphasize this, the difference is so profound that there is no way I can predict if a 3rd scatter will hit from the reel start position (long spin) something I was able to do with 100% accuracy at all other RTG after some playtime. (maybe they all had the exact same return at all times? :p)

    As far as I am aware landbase Casinos have to state the minimum RTP on their slots, certainly here in the UK.
    There is a reason for that.
    Do they have to display the new RTP in Australia when they change them?

    Is it just me or does it seem a little unfair to the player that they can play the same slot with a theoretical 93% payout One Day and who knows what the next Day, or the next spin for all we know.
     
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  30. Jun 10, 2009
  31. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Yeah that is fair enough, it is up to you where you play.
    I agree RTG make some great slots, some of the best IMO.
    The stake change is definitely a step forward and a good move.

    I wish I felt differently about the software but I can not ignore the serious concerns I have.
    Concerns that are not just limited to RTG it has to be said.
    I would play RTG before Rival for example but that doesn't say much.
     
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  32. Jun 10, 2009
  33. DogBoy001

    DogBoy001 Senior Member webmeister

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    Heya,

    In Oz there's no display of RTP...there'd likely be a revolt if there was, since the typical pub will use 85% and most clubs 87%.

    Makes it tough for the Government to defend their "player protection" role when they allow RTP percentages that are pure murder...but hey, they're addicted to the tax revenue from the industry.

    Re the RTG games, operators have the ability to infrequently change which variant they use, but there have been no changes to the maths in use.
    Many of the RTP variants across the suite do use reel strip length adjustments between variants (typically we're talking here only about 1 or 2 symbols on 1 reel, such as Cleo reel 2).

    We haven't noticed any prolonged spin periods in test over here (beyond the intended anticipation length). Will have to check it out.

    Woooof
     
  34. Jun 10, 2009
  35. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    At my 2 favourite RTG slots, Diamond Dozen and Warlock's Spell, they played exactly the same as in beofre accross all RTG casinos and I was able to predict with a great amount of accuracy on whether a 3rd scatter will hit just by glancing at where the reel in question starts spinning. I am not familiar with most other slots, however, and it could well be that they had some alterations. I played a bit on Cleo and I just felt that it was different from before though I cant figure out exactly what it is.
     
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  36. Jun 10, 2009
  37. jas2587

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    I agree I also played Cleo an there is for sure something very different about it as I played it night before last an tonight was like a complete new game

    sumptin is up Thanks Rusty an ChuChu thought I had lost it for a sec there:rolleyes:

    Cindy
     
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  38. Jun 10, 2009
  39. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Good to see others picking up on these very slight changes that have been happening for the past year. :thumbsup: Now I feel redeemed a little bit !

    .
     
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