adios Linux, hello Apple

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As a few of you will know from topics here in previous years I’ve been a Linux guy for quite some time. Back in the early 20-teens I’d finally had enough of Windows nonsense and launched a two year survey of the various Linux distros out there and finally settled on Mint. Of course it was/is the most Windows-like distro out there — no shame in that, but I’ll get to that in a minute — but it suited me, did most of what I needed and was (finally!) an OS that worked for me as opposed to constantly being man-handled and jerked around by the “we own you” attitude of Windows.

Over the years I did what I guess any good Linux user does: I learned a bit command-line fu, tailored and tweaked my system, and in the end arrived at a relatively stable environment that became pretty much 2nd nature to me. Never had to wonder where things were and could usually find — or hack — what I needed to do any particular job and life was good. Until your distro did, or needed, a big update and then you more or less had to tear everything down, drag the absolutely necessary into the new spin, rebuild your house so to speak, and carry on for another few years until it all became necessary again. Tolerable, but not a lot of fun, especially after a few iterations.

Now the Windows-like issue of Mint: I can honestly say that I started in computers when there was no GUI to be had. If you did computers you did it with the commandline or you didn’t do it at all, simple as that. Of course that all changed when Windows came out and the commandline was more or less retired — well, for “civilians” it was retired ;) — and we all charged into the graphics-driven future. The thing is the whole idea of Windows was perfectly decent, nothing wrong in principle with it at all. Sure, some kludgy bits here and there but overall it was, obviously, brilliant and exactly what the computing world needed. So that’s why I ended up choosing the most Windows-like Linux distro there was: Mint used all the same basic principles and left out (most of) the stupidity that made Windows intolerable, at least for people like me.

The other thing that I always did — and TBH rather enjoyed for many years -- was building my own computers. I’d do a few months of intense research, pick the best gear options that made sense and that I could afford, order all the bits and build the thing from the bare case inwards. Great fun, at the time. For whatever reason the kicks from that process severely diminished over time and I eventually ended up dreading the inevitable process of cracking the beast open and messing with whatever needed or wanted messing with. And the fans! Man, that was always a PITA. I’d go to great lengths to over-spec my cooling in order to minimise the fan noise issue but no matter how much effort I went to — I never did try liquid cooling — it was always just that little bit too much. That seemed to be an inherent problem with computer noise: the quieter it got the more you were sensitive to the little bit that remained. Madness!

The other thing that I could never beat was the lifespan issue: every PC I’ve had since … well, since I started which was a rather L O N G time ago, had a much shorter MTBF (mean time between failure) than I would have expected. Maybe it was a common/inevitable side effect of building your own computer but none of mine lasted more than 5 years, give or take a year, before some serious hardware issue ruined your day and sent you on a 1 or 2 week “fix my box” derailment project. I always thought the DIY approach was so much more clever than, for instance, Apple’s “you take what we give you and you pay more for it” approach but I had to admit that their gear had a hell of a lot longer in-service record than any PC I ever came close to.

OK, time to start heading for the conclusion here. A few years ago my wife decided she’d had enough of the whole DIY computer culture and she dumped her PC and got an iMac. I totally understood her choice — she was never a computer geek, as in geeky about computers — and watching as she settled in I started to see some of the undeniable benefits that Apple had to offer, assuming you could pay for it: a well-curated OS, seamless integration across the system, looked beautiful, and you had actual Support people out there if and when you needed it (more or less). As she found her way around she said time and time again “if you want to do something on a Mac, just try it the way it would make sense to you. Most of time that works.” That really stuck with me because that whole concept was completely foreign to me as a PC guy. Nobody cared whether you could find your way around intuitively, you just learned the quirks you needed to learn and lived with it. Needless to say she’s been much happier with her Mac than she’d ever been with a PC.

Well, the inevitable happened recently and my latest DIY PC suddenly broke. And I work on my computer for a living so I needed a solution ASAP. To make a long story short I’m now on a Mac Mini and loving it. All the usual stuff about Apple is true and I won’t repeat it but I will say that one of the pretty astounding things about Apple computers is the fact that the OS is much, much deeper and broader than I’ve ever seen on a Linus OS. In a few short weeks I’m up and running and now starting to use Automation to elegantly link the building blocks of the OS together to do things that I want my system to do. I made a wallpaper changer for instance — I have a LARGE library of hand-picked wallpapers I’ve collected over the years — and I’m now using built-in tools like Applescript, Automator and Shortcuts as well as proprietary tools like Keyboard Maestro to build more sophisticated aids for the work we do here at Casinomeister. Pretty much none of this was even thinkable on ANY Linux distro unless you wanted to go back to basics and start hacking stuff at the commandline.

So there’s all that AND my little Mini is totally silent AND I’ve easily got more computing power for the buck than I would have if I’d gone the PC route again. That’s a new thing for Apple, they are rather unbelievably now totally competitive on price, with the Minis at least. Yeah you pay some Apple tax for pretty much everything else but now that I see what they are REALLY offering — better hardware, longer in-service time, better software, better Support, frankly a better experience — I can’t say they’re cheating anyone. They’ve obviously poured a gazillion years of development effort into this whole “Apple” thing and now have the quiet but incredibly powerful advantage of a well-curated computer experience from long before you open your new computer’s box. Everything just works, and it does so really quite elegantly. And there is SO MUCH under the hood, it’s honestly quite incredible.

So yeah, I’m now an Apple fan, much to my own surprise.

- Max
 
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Another convert and good to hear and read :)

2015 was the year I took the plunge and moved from Windows 7 onto MacOs with my 13' Macbook Pro I bought from Currys for £999 and I haven't looked back.

MacOs granted like any new OS takes a bit of time to get used to, but it has none of the hangups that come with Windows. Yes Windows is still better for Gaming, but I use my computers for work and productivity, IMO Windows does not hold a candle in this regard to Apple.

I am well and truly bought into the Apple ecosystem - The Apple Watch being one of my prized possessions.

I have subsequently moved onto a 2020 iMac, which I purchased nearly 4 years to this day, which is still my main workhorse, albeit it now is very stacked memory wise, having over the years increased the memory to 96GB.

The all in one form factor of the 2020 iMac whilst dated is IMO stellar and I'd argue you would not find a better AIO computer on the market today, including the Apple Silicon powered 24' iMac.

The only real issue I have with my iMac is the fans and that is down to it being powered by an Intel CPU - the 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7.

That said this machine realistically has at least another 5 years life left in it.

Last April ( 2023 ) I bought the 14' M2 Pro Macbook Pro - the entry level model with 512GB SSD and 16GB Memory. What an absolute stunning piece of kit this is. I use this mainly for editing 4K video footage using Final Cut and it really does put my iMac to shame - It is noticeably quicker and sin fan noise.

My son has my old 2015 MacBook Pro and that is still going strong, some near ten years on from when it was bought.

Yes, with all Apple Products you pay a price premium and the newer kit since the advent of Apple Silicon, you are unable to upgrade. But if you spec out what you want / need at the time of purchase, you will get a machine that will last a considerable long period of time.

There is no dreaded blue screen of death, the beachball hardly if at all ever comes into play and Apple's hardware is beautifully crafted. None of the shoddy plastic trash you get from some PC manufacturers or bloatware sideloaded into the Windows install on said new PC.

Additionally with MacOs being built on Linux, you are able to leverage the OS to do just amazing things, thanks to Homebrew.

So in 2024, I am now the proud owner of 3 iMacs, 2020, 2011 vintage and 2006 vintage ( thanks ebay! ), a plethora of iPhones from 4 upwards ( most with smashed screens - Apple Care is now taken on new phone purchases! LOL ). An iPad Mini and a Watch Series 1 and Watch Series 9. Plus the kids and wife have their own devices too, iPhone 12's and iPads.
 
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The Apple lovin begins or continues in the case of @Webzcas

I've used both windows and Mac, never Linux. I am currently on Windows mainly for choice reasons related to software and hardware.

Macs are super fast, very reliable, and never seem prone to all the crap you get with Microsoft. However, you are limited in screen choice, software choice and that always bugs me. However, 99% of people have everything they need with a Mac.

Enjoy your MAC-renaissance @maxd :thumbsup:
 
:) Thanks, and believe me, I am. Gone down a bit of a rabbit hole with the automation stuff but it’s a heck of a good intro to what’s really inside Mac OS.

One cool thing with buying the Mini Mac: at first I ordered the cheapest, basic machine as i figured that would be fine for me. Turns out it wasn’t. I use two or three browsers at a time in the PAB work and such and these days they each eat close to a gig to start and 1/2 gig per tab (more or less). 8 gig does not go very far in that scenario.

So I decided to step up, get a beefier version of the Mini. Got the new box via courier in a day, dropped the original off a few days later at a UPS station and had a full refund from Apple in less than 48 hours, on a weekend! Between that and a few other smaller Support issues I’ve had that went swimmingly I gotta say that real, no-BS Support is a beautiful thing.
 
Last April ( 2023 ) I bought the 14' M2 Pro Macbook Pro - the entry level model with 512GB SSD and 16GB Memory. What an absolute stunning piece of kit this is. I use this mainly for editing 4K video footage using Final Cut and it really does put my iMac to shame - It is noticeably quicker and sin fan noise.
LOL...I purchased, six years ago, on the dreaded Windows, an Asus laptop with touchscreen, illuminated keypad, which I run a 27" curved monitor off and use a remote keyboard and mouse for. It was one where you could order the spec and funnily enough I got the 512SSD with 2TB internal HDD and 16GB RAM the same spec as you mention. But SIX years ago.

So little fan noise, almost instant start up (use mouse movement to hit log-in screen) and great performance - for £810 back at the time. It amuses me to hear those specs are entry level on Apple 6 years later and I bet you didn't pay £810 or less for it. I won't even start on the lack of ports on them, but I have 3x USB, USB C, VGA, speakers output and card slots, wireless switching and BT.

I still think Apple are spoken about like Nike trainers - not the best quality wise, you can get say K-Swiss or Skechers and other brands with equal or superior materials and longevity for half the money, but people feel obliged to pay the Nike Tax, the same way the 'Apple tax' that @maxd mentions works.

So basically, you've been running an inferior spec than me for 5 years, having probably paid a premium to do so and to get the much-feted illuminated apple core on the lid.

I now fully understand the mesmerising effect of clever marketing as opposed to pragmatism, practicality and thrift.
 
Very nice to read your review of the mini - I am considering to get one, but half holding out to the new chip. I currently run a 2013 (!!) Macbook pro, which works fine with exception of a battery life lasting a whole 20 minutes. It's what made me realise I never use my laptop as a portable device; preference given to my phone and iPad.

Weighing up the pros and cons, whether I invest in a monitor and keyboard etc. Or whether I go for another Macbook pro.

I am somewhat in the apple ecosystem - Music, home pod, phone, iPad. There I shall remain :)
 
LOL...I purchased, six years ago, on the dreaded Windows, an Asus laptop with touchscreen, illuminated keypad, which I run a 27" curved monitor off and use a remote keyboard and mouse for. It was one where you could order the spec and funnily enough I got the 512SSD with 2TB internal HDD and 16GB RAM the same spec as you mention. But SIX years ago.

So little fan noise, almost instant start up (use mouse movement to hit log-in screen) and great performance - for £810 back at the time. It amuses me to hear those specs are entry level on Apple 6 years later and I bet you didn't pay £810 or less for it. I won't even start on the lack of ports on them, but I have 3x USB, USB C, VGA, speakers output and card slots, wireless switching and BT.

I still think Apple are spoken about like Nike trainers - not the best quality wise, you can get say K-Swiss or Skechers and other brands with equal or superior materials and longevity for half the money, but people feel obliged to pay the Nike Tax, the same way the 'Apple tax' that @maxd mentions works.

So basically, you've been running an inferior spec than me for 5 years, having probably paid a premium to do so and to get the much-feted illuminated apple core on the lid.

I now fully understand the mesmerising effect of clever marketing as opposed to pragmatism, practicality and thrift.
Depends entirely what you do with your PC. That is a good spec. But be interested to hear how you get on using Premiere Pro or an equivalent video editing app, whilst editing 50GB worth of 4K footage.
 
As a few of you will know from topics here in previous years I’ve been a Linux guy for a good many years. Back in the early 20-teens I’d finally had enough of Windows nonsense and launched a two year survey of the various Linux distros out there and finally settled on Mint. Of course it was/is the most Windows-like distro out there — no shame in that, but I’ll get to that in a minute — but it suited me, did most of what I needed and was (finally!) an OS that worked for me as opposed to constantly being man-handled and jerked around by the “we own you” attitude of Windows.

Over the years I did what I guess any good Linux user does: I learned a bit command-line fu, tailored and tweaked my system, and in the end arrived at a relatively stable environment that became pretty much 2nd nature to me. Never had to wonder where things were and could usually find — or hack — what I needed to do any particular job and life was good. Until your distro did, or needed, a big update and then you more or less had to tear everything down, drag the absolutely necessary into the new spin, rebuild your house so to speak, and carry on for another few years until it all became necessary again. Tolerable, but not a lot of fun, especially after a few iterations.

Now the Windows-like issue of Mint: I can honestly say that I started in computers when there was no GUI to be had. If you did computers you did it with the commandline or you didn’t do it at all, simple as that. Of course that all changed when Windows came out and the commandline was more or less retired — well, for “civilians” it was retired ;) — and we all charged into the graphics-driven future. The thing is the whole idea of Windows was perfectly decent, nothing wrong in principle with it at all. Sure, some kludgy bits here and there but overall it was, obviously, brilliant and exactly what the computing world needed. So that’s why I ended up choosing the most Windows-like Linux distro there was: Mint used all the same basic principles and left out (most of) the stupidity that made Windows intolerable, at least for people like me.

The other thing that I always did — and TBH rather enjoyed for many years -- was building my own computers. I’d do a few months of intense research, pick the best gear options that made sense and that I could afford, order all the bits and build the thing from the bare case inwards. Great fun, at the time. For whatever reason the kicks from that process severely diminished over time and I eventually ended up dreading the inevitable process of cracking the beast open and messing with whatever needed or wanted messing with. And the fans! Man, that was always a PITA. I’d go to great lengths to over-spec my cooling in order to minimise the fan noise issue but no matter how much effort I went to — I never did try liquid cooling — it was always just that little bit too much. That seemed to be an inherent problem with computer noise: the quieter it got the more you were sensitive to the little bit that remained. Madness!

The other thing that I could never beat was the lifespan issue: every PC I’ve had since … well, since I started which was a rather L O N G time ago, had a much shorter MTBF (mean time between failure) that I would have expected. Maybe it was a common/inevitable side effect of building your own computer but none of mine lasted more than 5 years, give or take a year, before some serious hardware issue ruined your day and sent you on a 1 or 2 week “fix my box” derailment project. I always thought the DIY approach was so much more clever than, for instance, Apple’s “you take what we give you and you pay more for it” approach but I had to admit that their gear had a hell of a lot longer in-service record than any PC I ever came close to.

OK, time to start heading for the conclusion here. A few years ago my wife decided she’d had enough of the whole DIY computer culture and she dumped her PC and got an iMac. I totally understood her choice — she was never a computer geek, as in geeky about computers — and watching as she settled in I started to see some of the undeniable benefits that Apple had to offer, assuming you could pay for it: a well-curated OS, seamless integration across the system, looked beautiful, and you had actual Support people out there if and when you needed it (more or less). As she found her way around she said time and time again “if you want to do something on a Mac, just try it the way it would make sense to you. Most of time that works.” That really stuck with me because that whole concept was completely foreign to me as a PC guy. Nobody cared whether you could find your way around intuitively, you just learned the quirks you needed to learn and lived with it. Needless to say she’s been much happier with her Mac than she’d ever been with a PC.

Well, the inevitable happened recently and my latest DIY PC suddenly broke. And I work on my computer for a living so I needed a solution ASAP. To make a long story short I’m now on a Mac Mini and loving it. All the usual stuff about Apple is true and I won’t repeat it but I will say that one of the pretty astounding things about Apple computers is the fact that the OS is much, much deeper and broader than I’ve ever seen on a Linus OS. In a few short weeks I’m up and running and now starting to use Automation to elegantly link the building blocks of the OS together to do things that I want my system to do. I made a wallpaper changer for instance — I have a LARGE library of hand-picked wallpapers I’ve collected over the years — and I’m now using built-in tools like Applescript, Automator and Shortcuts as well as proprietary tools like Keyboard Maestro to build more sophisticated aids for the work we do here at Casinomeister. Pretty much none of this was even thinkable on ANY Linux distro unless you wanted to go back to basics and start hacking stuff at the commandline.

So there’s all that AND my little Mini is totally silent AND I’ve easily got more computing power for the buck than I would have if I’d gone the PC route again. That’s a new thing for Apple, they are rather unbelievably now totally competitive on price, with the Minis at least. Yeah you pay some Apple tax for pretty much everything else but now that I see what they are REALLY offering — better hardware, longer in-service time, better software, better Support, frankly a better experience — I can’t say they’re cheating anyone. They’ve obviously poured a gazillion years of development effort into this whole “Apple” thing and now have the quiet but incredibly powerful advantage of a well-curated computer experience from long before you open your new computer’s box. Everything just works, and it does so really quite elegantly. And there is SO MUCH under the hood, it’s honestly quite incredible.

So yeah, I’m now an Apple fan, much to my own surprise.

- Max
Absolutely agree with you and your wife! Although not long ago I switched from Windows to Mac

And to be honest I can't imagine how I worked before and how much time I wasted because of an ill-conceived operating system.
 
The software choice thing really isn’t an issue these days. Hasn’t been for a decade or more, really. If you need a Windows app - WINE might be sufficient. Or you can virtualise Windows and have that running side by side in a window. But few major apps are platform specific these days.

(I have an ARM Windows 11 VM running in UTM - which is free - for whenever I need such things.)

The other lovely thing about Macs is they really don’t slow down much as they get older. My 2011 MacBook Pro is still perfectly serviceable, even though it’s unofficially updated to Big Sur (the last official MacOS support ended with High Sierra or something.).

My M1 Mini will doubtless be fine for at least another half decade.

I can fiddle with the software and do as I wish, command line is great, desktop is great.

I don’t enjoy using Windows. I love using Macs. And occasionally Mint if I feel the need.
 
Very nice to read your review of the mini - I am considering to get one, but half holding out to the new chip. ...
I got the M2 Mini Pro and am perfectly happy with that. The chip upgrades weren't going to make much difference to what I do, I’m much more RAM-bound than anything else. 8 gig was simply not enough, 16 gig seems to be okay.

As to CPU I barely touch the thing, max out at about 5% maybe once or twice in a normal work day. Only reason I went for the bigger chip was because I hope to do a little video editing in the semi-near future, and thought it was relatively cheap future-proofing. My gaming days are over so games didn’t factor into my decision at all.

The hardware has been great and I have no second thoughts there. What’s really made me happy to be an Apple owner is the OS and software (and Support, as previously mentioned). I'm actually quite blown-away by what a superb product they have created. To me it’s like the difference between a fake store-front and a little store-front with a gynormous warehouse hidden behind it. The depth of the infrastructure behind what we see and click on is simply gobsmacking. And it (almost) all works cleanly and smoothly, “like you’d want it to” as my Mrs said. To me, at this stage in my computer life, that is worth A LOT.

- Max
 
Also worth knowing - on occasion, the apps in the App Store are available from the developers’ own websites for lower prices and sometimes with more features - AppStore apps are sandboxed, whereas the developer’s direct downloads aren’t, and may allow you to do things that the AppStore versions don’t.
 
Yes, good point, and I have run into that already. I try to minimise side-loading but in some cases it’s just smarter to go that route, though I do always check the App store first to know what the trade-offs are.

- Max
 
I got the M2 Mini Pro and am perfectly happy with that. The chip upgrades weren't going to make much difference to what I do, I’m much more RAM-bound than anything else. 8 gig was simply not enough, 16 gig seems to be okay.

As to CPU I barely touch the thing, max out at about 5% maybe once or twice in a normal work day. Only reason I went for the bigger chip was because I hope to do a little video editing in the semi-near future, and thought it was relatively cheap future-proofing. My gaming days are over so games didn’t factor into my decision at all.

The hardware has been great and I have no second thoughts there. What’s really made me happy to be an Apple owner is the OS and software (and Support, as previously mentioned). I'm actually quite blown-away by what a superb product they have created. To me it’s like the difference between a fake store-front and a little store-front with a gynormous warehouse hidden behind it. The depth of the infrastructure behind what we see and click on is simply gobsmacking. And it (almost) all works cleanly and smoothly, “like you’d want it to” as my Mrs said. To me, at this stage in my computer life, that is worth A LOT.

- Max
Without sounding like an Apple brand ambassador, two small anecdotal stories about fantastic support I have received:
For my current MBP, I purchased the apple care extended warranty. Around 3 months after this expired, the display started to 'flake' in the top corner. I had not used any adhesive or cleaning material. They replaced the screen free of charge, saying they think it was a defect and nothing I did to cause it. It was out of warranty, they did not need (as far as I am concerned). The screen alone to buy from a third party DIY would have been close to 1000 euros.

For my phone, they proactively reached out to me that my batch had a defect. I'm assuming it wasn't a life or death issue, nor do I remember what the defect was. But they chased me down to replace it, otherwise like many product recalls I would have just been oblivious.

After such experiences, coupled with the UX you have described, I am happy to remain :)


PS - Thanks for the information on your intended use of the mini, closely aligns to mine. Perhaps I just go for it :)
 
Yeah, the Support thing is one area that I think Apple is doing head-and-shoulders better than anyone else I’ve seen in recent years. Admittedly I haven’t bought a Windows computer for years and that last experience was just abysmal BUT I’ve contacted Apple Support a couple times about my iPhone and maybe four times now about the Mini — mostly a shipping error I made by originally putting my old address ... potential nightmare deftly averted with their help and professionalism — and it’s like a time-warp for me back to the days when Customer Support really was supporting the customer as opposed to the “F you, talk to my bot” BS that so many places default to these days. For the most part it’s a night-and-day difference. I honestly think I’d almost be onside with them for that alone, it’s such a breath of fresh air.

- Max
 
Oh, yes, the support is amazing.

I had a laptop PSU start to fray the PSU end. The PSU was at that stage 2-3 years out of warranty. It hadn’t been manhandled or misused in any way, but given it was probably going on four years old by then, I chalked it down to one of those things. It was going to cost around £80 to replace. I informed Apple as I was concerned about it being a safety issue if a defect - they posted a new one out to me gratis, which turned up less than 24 hours later, with an envelope to post the old one back.

Yeah, they’re expensive. But it’s one of those cases where you get what you pay for.
 
I got the M2 Mini Pro and am perfectly happy with that. The chip upgrades weren't going to make much difference to what I do, I’m much more RAM-bound than anything else. 8 gig was simply not enough, 16 gig seems to be okay.

As to CPU I barely touch the thing, max out at about 5% maybe once or twice in a normal work day. Only reason I went for the bigger chip was because I hope to do a little video editing in the semi-near future, and thought it was relatively cheap future-proofing. My gaming days are over so games didn’t factor into my decision at all.

The hardware has been great and I have no second thoughts there. What’s really made me happy to be an Apple owner is the OS and software (and Support, as previously mentioned). I'm actually quite blown-away by what a superb product they have created. To me it’s like the difference between a fake store-front and a little store-front with a gynormous warehouse hidden behind it. The depth of the infrastructure behind what we see and click on is simply gobsmacking. And it (almost) all works cleanly and smoothly, “like you’d want it to” as my Mrs said. To me, at this stage in my computer life, that is worth A LOT.

- Max
another good thing about Mac Mini no fan noise and you can watch videos up to 8k
 
Gross thread, everyone reported.
The minute @Casinomeister announces his retirement everything goes crazy.
The only one with a bit of sanity left seems to be @dunover , its a shame to see so many mods banned but i think you know what needs to be done, not only for our sake but for their own sake aswell.

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I have spent the afternoon with an image in my head of @Webzcas and @maxd sitting up in a king size white bed (a la John Lennon and Yoko Ono) with MacBook between them and daft grins on their faces.

Remember, the most rich and successful businessmen are not just the ones that rip you off, but those make you feel special or exclusive while and after they do it. I believe in sales it's called consolidation.
 
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The usability argument is so important, and always seems to be an afterthought. Apple have been one of the few tech companies that properly focused on that, and went from nearly bankrupt to a trillion dollar company.

Microsoft have made a perfect example of this with the Control Panel vs Settings debacle. They started refactoring the Control Panel during the XP days (so 23 years ago), a significant percentage of the settings are still only in Control Panel - so rather than a slow march towards a new model (that is horrendous to use in any case), it has become an ever-increasing fragmented mess.

The problem for Microsoft and a lot of other companies is that they need to create busywork - so change for change sake rather than for a meaningful improvement. Combine that with the absurd features like Recall (which feels like textbook spyware) and forced obsolescence like Windows 11, and that user experience is only going one way...

Apple has faults as well of course, given how they and Google run the duopoly on mobile, but it would be nice to see Mac and Linux take more desktop market share in the next 5 years while Microsoft keeps treating their customers with contempt (much like Intel, but that's for another thread). Although given it took two decades to kill Internet Explorer, it may be some time...
 
I have spent the afternoon with an image in my head of @Webzcas and @maxd sitting up in a king size white bed (a la John Lennon and Yoko Ono) with MacBook between them and daft grins on their faces.

Remember, the most rich and successful businessmen are not just the ones that rip you off, but those make you feel special or exclusive while and after they do it. I believe in sales it's called consolidation.
Careful what you wish for... :D

As for me ever considering going back to Windows, that would be akin to a dog going back to its vomit! I am very happy in my choice I made near ten years ago and haven't looked back as I am fully bought into the Apple ecosystem.

The Apple Watch alone has helped me improve my overall cardio fitness to the extent that I am probably the fittest I have ever been. My watch even unlocks my iMac and MacBook.

I am also currently writing this post on arguably the best display available on an AIO computer, which now four years old is more than capable of running all and any apps that I have. Plus it never ever crashes and can be left on for weeks at a time.

Bottom line, there is good reason as to why Apple are one of the most highly valued companies in the world. They make solid products that are built to last. :D
 
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I have spent the afternoon with an image in my head of @Webzcas and @maxd sitting up in a king size white bed ...
Dude! You gotta get a new hobby! If I see a picture of you in a frock as your new avatar I will lose my lunch, guaranteed.

Remember, the most rich and successful businessmen are not just the ones that rip you off, but those make you feel special or exclusive while and after they do it. I believe in sales it's called consolidation.

If one is going to be contemptuous of a consumer's choices it would be wise to learn to distinguish between a person making a well-informed decision and a victim of marketing hype. After roughly 40 years on non-Apple PCs and having now seen the competition up close for the last few years I’d say I’m well placed to make an informed choice between the former and the latter. If that translates to brainless consumerism to you then fill yer boots.

- Max
 
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