RTG RTP Conspiracy (tin foil hat zone)

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Since Bet Phoenix is no longer an RTG operator, I think everyone here should know that they were one of the very selective RTG operators that had access and keys to the RTG super user software and its power.

I also believe that this platform change is probably a result of much more serious internal issues between RTG and BP, especially since the existence of the RTG Super User access was a direct result of a leak from BP.

Imagine the responses of other RTG operators not privy to the Super User access and finding out that it did exist and only a select chosen few were given access.

I find all this ironic that 9 months after BP’s breach of secrecy exposing the Super User existence, that they are now changing software providers.

The fact that Nicolus insists on coming here and constantly posting smoke and mirrors in defense of BP, I could only assume that he is part of the internal BP team.
 

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Since Bet Phoenix is no longer an RTG operator, I think everyone here should know that they were one of the very selective RTG operators that had access and keys to the RTG super user software and its power.

I also believe that this platform change is probably a result of much more serious internal issues between RTG and BP, especially since the existence of the RTG Super User access was a direct result of a leak from BP.

Imagine the responses of other RTG operators not privy to the Super User access and finding out that it did exist and only a select chosen few were given access.

I find all this ironic that 9 months after BP’s breach of secrecy exposing the Super User existence, that they are now changing software providers.

The fact that Nicolus insists on coming here and constantly posting smoke and mirrors in defense of BP, I could only assume that he is part of the internal BP team.

Ummm....did I miss something somewhere?
 

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I tried several times in the past, but I'm constantly being labeled as a conspirator illusionist here.

Last I recall, you had started a thread about some conspiracy theory of yours. I don't really recall the whole story....something about you posting a screenshot of RTGs backend....something about you or one of your friends in some sort of danger??

Then you disappeared.....

You seem to have alot of interesting (albeit far fetched) ideas and stories and what not....but then you seem to disappear in a cloud of mystery. I guess thats why some of us have a hard time taking you seriously.

It would be nice if you could expand on your previous post though:thumbsup:
 

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Since Bet Phoenix is no longer an RTG operator, I think everyone here should know that they were one of the very selective RTG operators that had access and keys to the RTG super user software and its power.

I also believe that this platform change is probably a result of much more serious internal issues between RTG and BP, especially since the existence of the RTG Super User access was a direct result of a leak from BP.

Imagine the responses of other RTG operators not privy to the Super User access and finding out that it did exist and only a select chosen few were given access.

I find all this ironic that 9 months after BP’s breach of secrecy exposing the Super User existence, that they are now changing software providers.

The fact that Nicolus insists on coming here and constantly posting smoke and mirrors in defense of BP, I could only assume that he is part of the internal BP team.

Oh geez.

Please produce some evidence, apart from 'someone told me'.

I assume this Super User access allows personal RTP adjustments and the ability to award RJs to selected players , extra cards in blackjack decks, <insert favorite conspiracy theory here>

Its becoming tiresome how you walk into RTG threads, drop a giant 'bombshell', and then walk away without answering any tough questions about it.

I'm not saying you're lying, its just hard to take the word of someone who has always enjoyed the 'ban me if you like' attention-grabbing spotlight and more than a few bogus conspiracy theories.
 

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How the f**k can a casino change Blackjack and Video Poker's house edge? Well, I mean, I see how they do it, but how do they claim they are random and fair when they do this... LOL, bless u 4oak!
 

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Let's just calm down a bit people.

We don't know the detail of exactly what we are looking at.

It is interesting to note that all default values were exactly the same as RTG. It may well be that the settings can't be made higher than rtg only lower (HE).

We already know the slot settings can be changed and this may well be how it is done.

The main concern is that you may be getting a lower rtp if u take a coupon, and this is something we should leave with Bryan.
 

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My main concern is that BJ is a game of 52 cards, however many decks, and a random shuffle... This suggests otherwise, at least that this RTG casino...(Which casino is this 4oak?)

Yes, the coupon noise now makes sense... Of my 12 w/d's from RTG's this year, 1 has been on a deposit... All the rest on max cashout second chance chips...Hmmm???

That being said, and my conclusions on RTG's tightening in the past year aside: Why the heck would u label software like this? It seems to have some resolution differences betwixt the font on bottom and the font on top... But that house edge section, thats RTG's font alright... who knows? Not I... Still happy to see something confirm what my instincts have been saying for sometime...
 

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Let's just calm down a bit people.

We don't know the detail of exactly what we are looking at.

It is interesting to note that all default values were exactly the same as RTG. It may well be that the settings can't be made higher than rtg only lower (HE).

We already know the slot settings can be changed and this may well be how it is done.

The main concern is that you may be getting a lower rtp if u take a coupon, and this is something we should leave with Bryan.


nifty ive always read your posts even though sometimes there a bit abrupt , but maybe in this post we can let this run its course , because the same topic keeps raising its head again & again without realy any solid backing , 4oak has said before a few times maybe theres something up , i would like to know at least something out of yet another thread to do with rtg not just bet phoenix , maybe if we all work together we may indeed come up with at least a poll to wether this has any weight behind it )
 

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nifty ive always read your posts even though sometimes there a bit abrupt , but maybe in this post we can let this run its course , because the same topic keeps raising its head again & again without realy any solid backing , 4oak has said before a few times maybe theres something up , i would like to know at least something out of yet another thread to do with rtg not just bet phoenix , maybe if we all work together we may indeed come up with at least a poll to wether this has any weight behind it )

I agree....and yeah i am a bit to-the-point at times lol. I just don't think its fair for members to have to read 1000 words every time I want to state my opinion.

I think its time for Bryan to find out the truth, I will be happy to accept his findings.

One thing is for sure, if RTG casinos ARE altering rtps on a per coupon basis then its time to think about a mass boycott of every licensee.
 

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:eek:

At least this would explain why some RTG operators are very stingy when it comes to bonuses, while others offer almost unreal percentages on EVERY deposit (like Winpalace/Titan/Slotsjungle who offer up to 270% with 25x WR, no max. cashout)

Better stick with the stingy ones I'd say.. :D

And personally I dont really believe these settings can only be used to lower the house edge, no..

What is actually most worrieng is that there are games listed that are supposed to have a static house edge.
If these can really be changed, it simply means the games are rigged, no more, no less.
Only the player can change the house edge of blackjack by doing stupid things, right?
 

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i thought this is a thread on bet phoenix. discussions on rtg/rtp should be set aside in another thread.

btw, i would want to ask nicolas 2 questions.

1/once they switch to rival, what is the normal timeframe for cashouts?not worse than 2-5 business days than when you were at vrc i hope.

2/will they implement the much-dreaded rival bonus-banning system? it really sux when you take the time to register only to find out later that you have been bonus-banned.
 

vinylweatherman

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This APPEARS to suggest that Dogboy was talking the dog's bollocks about how there are only specific RTG setting available, since this is a "type in a value" box, rather than "select one of x" entry field.

However, without knowing the EXACT meaning of that last column, and what typed in values are actually VALID, we cannot know whether this is a REAL scandal, or merely the known fact that the RTP can be set shown in a different way.

This is the coupon setup area, and NOT the MAIN setup area for the games. That last column may not even mean what it looks like it means.

Was this the screenshot that RTG asked Bryan to remove last time?
If so, it won't be around for long - so I have taken precautions;)

No doubt when it gets taken down, the discussions will begin in earnest.

The posting of this now means that at least Nicholas will not suffer the consequences of a flight of RTG players, but it seems Rival ALSO has such an operator facility.

I don't see how a switch to Rival is going to improve business in a way that could not be achieved with RTG. For starters, say bye bye to all Canadian casino players. Next, Rival are also well known for SLOW payment, and constant payment issues.

Taking a Rival "stand alone" license is much better than a white label one, since it is only the stand alone Rival casinos that seem to be able to provide a decent service to players.

The Rival database could be a big problem if it is allowed unfettered control over players, as many "positive value" players that Nicholas had with RTG could suddenly find they have been cut off from all promotions the second they download the new Rival software, and they may simply leave, rather than appeal the decision.

New players could also find they are instantly bonus banned when they join, and this will give the impression of a white label.

Why the "ambush" though, casinos change software, but the accepted practice is to inform players WELL in advance, and let the PLAYERS feel in control of their own money at every stage, including deciding to make sure their accounts are empty before any change takes place. When Royal Joker moved from Intertops, players were told WELL in advance, and again when Royal Joker closed, we were given over a MONTH'S notice.

In this case, it was a case of waking up one day, and finding it was ALREADY closed, giving NO chance to play off remaining balances, complete WR, or transfer money out to the sportsbook ahead of the close (it's not the same, even if this was done automatically).

The needs of Canadian players has been completely IGNORED, since they will NOT be able to play in the new software, which would NOT have been a problem with Betonsoft, or sticking with RTG.

Canadian players are likely to be pissed off about their summary exclusion.

Betonsoft would seem to have been a better choice, less represented, not the problems accociated with Rival, and easily marketed outside the US since unlike Rival, Betonsoft has almost no presence outside the US other than Grand Prive.
 
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