Warning about high chance of SCAM/FRAUD casino targeting AU and NZ players

LoopsterAU

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Everyone knows that the list if decent options for AU is constantly shrinking but this operation/tactic probably sets the low of all lows.

Recently a few streamers in AU have started promoting thepokies.net to their facebook/twitch audience and this would normally be nothing out of the ordinary however they are very sneaky about how this casino has been set up.

First of all when viewing all the games from an AU IP a lot of providers which we cant play are all showing, Microgaming, Netent, Pragmatic Play, No Limit City, BTG, Blueprint to name a few but even with all of those its technically possible in some casino's for us to play them using VPN (getting paid out is obviously a risk we would need to take but its technically possble).

The part that sets off the first mega red flag is they have Aristocrat games available which have never been allowed for AU even before out 2017 law which eliminated most of our choices.

Second red flag is the fact that people are claiming they get paid via PAYID which is an interbanking new payments platform system which allows transfers between AU banks in real time using phone number or email address etc.

Third red flag is the creation of its DNS record (date thepokies.net url was registered).
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4th red flag is its registration page.

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The fact that they only allow sign ups from Australia and NZ which is 99% of the audience who watches these frauds and have no idea about any better is beyond dodgy and they seem to only be signing up people via the streamers which avoids anyone posting negative reviews on Afilliate sites and this way avoids people being able to google "thepokies.net scam" and get a result, hopefully this post shows up to any poor person thinking about signing up.

Now finally take a look at these 2 terms in their conditions.

Can I use a VPN to get around region blocked games?​

Yes you can! Unlike our competitors we feel it is your right as a player to have access to the latest games and providers and if they have blocked your regions access, we see there being no harm done by using a VPN to bypass these blocks. This is what makes us different to most casinos out there.

Do you require verification documents when withdrawing funds?​

No – We feel that this hurdle when withdrawing is in most instances just a hindrance to keep you from getting access to your winnings. So in 99% of cases, we will never ask for any verification documents. If we feel there is a player who using fake details or fraudulent payment methods we reserve the right to ask the person to provide some level of verification documents but this is very rare.

They know so many of our options of gaming providers have been taken away this year and they are specifically targeting users that want to play those providers.

Streamers promoting sites with fake money is one thing but streamers promoting a completely fraud site is probably the low of all lows.

I have not signed up to check which URL's it connects to for the games but I have a high feeling it most likely will be using servers hosting pirated software with dodgy RTP.
 
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mina1929

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I am so glad you posted that, I am hoping that a lot of Aussies and New Zealanders have seen this thread so they can be aware. Thank you :thumbsup:
 

neon claws

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Pretty much every place you can play at in this country is a "scam" to some degree now thanks to our glorious leaders, I'm gonna give this mob a go and see what happens. Won't be handing over credit card info though.

Nordvpn through nz didn't allow btg, netent is served from:
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Ah, deposit options are CC only. No thanks.
Guess you could try one from privacy.com or something.. not worth it for me.
 
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LoopsterAU

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Pretty much every place you can play at in this country is a "scam" to some degree now thanks to our glorious leaders, I'm gonna give this mob a go and see what happens. Won't be handing over credit card info though.

Nordvpn through nz didn't allow btg, netent is served from:
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Ah, deposit options are CC only. No thanks.
Guess you could try one from privacy.com or something.. not worth it for me.
That's 100% a fake Netent server then since the real one I am pretty sure is casinomodule.com

What server are the Microgaming games coming from ? Actually id be curious to know even the other providers like NLC since I haven't seen pirated versions of their games show up just yet but it could be a first, perhaps a rep on this forum from from NLC can clarify if they legitimately provide games to this casino ?
 

kuremajami

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That's 100% a fake Netent server then since the real one I am pretty sure is casinomodule.com

What server are the Microgaming games coming from ? Actually id be curious to know even the other providers like NLC since I haven't seen pirated versions of their games show up just yet but it could be a first, perhaps a rep on this forum from from NLC can clarify if they legitimately provide games to this casino ?
Hi there,

This is my first post so please be merciful =)

How do you fake the Netent server?

Can Netent know about it? Are they aware?

I mean, technically speaking, I don't really know how can you pull out something like that. Would appreciate it if someone can explain?

Ty.
 

neon claws

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Hi there,

This is my first post so please be merciful =)

How do you fake the Netent server?

Can Netent know about it? Are they aware?

I mean, technically speaking, I don't really know how can you pull out something like that. Would appreciate it if someone can explain?

Ty.
I haven't looked into it but I assume they download the assets, modify them to point to their own servers, maybe packet sniff the responses from the real server to see what the prng should be returning and package up their own version.

I do wonder if their prng is adequately implemented or not.

Gotta assume netent are one of only a few not trying to keep their assets server side/encrypted since they seem susceptible to piracy.

This is just speculation.
 

Bigbadbenny

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First post so be gentle hah ,

I have used the site " from Australia "

Had no issues and fast pay out same day in fact but there is no pay id option that you guys speak of just BSB and Account

Is that really a way to scam , as I and many people I know have also received there payouts too ??
 

Casinomeister

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First post so be gentle hah ,

I have used the site " from Australia "

Had no issues and fast pay out same day in fact but there is no pay id option that you guys speak of just BSB and Account

Is that really a way to scam , as I and many people I know have also received there payouts too ??
They are using pirated software, which means they are configuring the RTP, payouts, etc. Of course they will be paying players - those that they choose to pay so that some folks will post in the fora that they are paying winnings.

But think about it, if they are using cheating software, how do you think they will treat you when you win big?

And if they are unlicensed, and using cheating software, what do you think they'll do with your banking information? Or your personal information for that matter?
 

Bigbadbenny

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Lol did you get your $110k. Thanks though guys I have stopped using them and gone back to my trusty bitstarz and although it may take 1-3days for a payout least i know I will get it. I asked them to cancel my account and then re signed up with a spoof email and number and it's funny they have no ability to check your issues on any Aristocrat game you can just say issues and lost 50dollars and they give it to you. Is that due to the hacked software. Dangerous mob and steering well clear
 

kuremajami

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Thank you for the answer.

Here is little something to think about... Do you really think game providers will give up on their royalties just like that if they know the "dark" market is quite large?

Proxy servers would help to avoid geoblock, maybe?

I really see no point in "hacking" the games if you know how the RTP works.

But, that's just me, would appreciate more inputs from other (reputable) members on the subject.
 
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Game providers have no choice but to give up their royalties if they wish to be licensed. At the end of the day, it's the licensed markets and brands that will survive as the rest will be shut down over time, either by governments or by players not been paid.

As for the RTP: if they can hack the games and host them, they can change the RTP settings. They can set it as low as 10% if they choose. But they aren't stupid, so they will fluctuate it. And, should you happen to win, they simply can decide not to pay you and there is nothing you can do about it. Bear in mind that most of the time, the money is been used to fund other illegal activities.

They are relying on people's desperation to play these games in countries where they have been removed. I.e. they are offering something everyone wants, but making sure no-one gets paid for it, except themselves.

(reputable) members here will take heed and share the warning everywhere.
 
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kuremajami

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Game providers have no choice but to give up their royalties if they wish to be licensed. At the end of the day, it's the licensed markets and brands that will survive as the rest will be shut down over time, either by governments or by players not been paid.

As for the RTP: if they can hack the games and host them, they can change the RTP settings. They can set it as low as 10% if they choose. But they aren't stupid, so they will fluctuate it. And, should you happen to win, they simply can decide not to pay you and there is nothing you can do about it. Bear in mind that most of the time, the money is been used to fund other illegal activities.

They are relying on people's desperation to play these games in countries where they have been removed. I.e. they are offering something everyone wants, but making sure no-one gets paid for it, except themselves.

(reputable) members here will take heed and share the warning everywhere.
Yeah, I understand what are you talking about.
However, there are too many "ifs" for my taste.

Is there any actual proof about "hacked" games? Can someone point me where to look or what to read?


Why is it so hard to imagine game providers are in the bed with rogue casinos (i.e. royalties, why not take them, each spin/€ counts)? Eventually, yeah, they will be shut down, but why not take the money while it lasts?

Did anyone ever actually wrote a report to the game providers? Ie, xy site is running your games even tho they shouldn't be able to/not allowed to? Were those games removed after the report?

I do believe proxy servers would work well in these kinds of situations, but yet again, I'm not an expert.

Not paying a player who won is a whole different story (even tho games can be "real"). We aren't talking about that here?
 

Casinomeister

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Thank you for the answer.

Here is little something to think about... Do you really think game providers will give up on their royalties just like that if they know the "dark" market is quite large?

Proxy servers would help to avoid geoblock, maybe?

I really see no point in "hacking" the games if you know how the RTP works.

But, that's just me, would appreciate more inputs from other (reputable) members on the subject.
It's like playing whack-a-mole for the software providers. They simply can't keep up trying to track these casino operations down. Those folks who are pirating the software pay no licensing fees to the ones who created the games - which is a crime. Intellectual property theft is a huge profitable industry in the dark side.

Additionally, the folks running these games, suckering you players in, are collecting your personal IDs, banking info, etc., and there is nothing you can do about it.
 

Casinomeister

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Yeah, I understand what are you talking about.
However, there are too many "ifs" for my taste.

Is there any actual proof about "hacked" games? Can someone point me where to look or what to read?


Why is it so hard to imagine game providers are in the bed with rogue casinos (i.e. royalties, why not take them, each spin/€ counts)? Eventually, yeah, they will be shut down, but why not take the money while it lasts?

Did anyone ever actually wrote a report to the game providers? Ie, xy site is running your games even tho they shouldn't be able to/not allowed to? Were those games removed after the report?

I do believe proxy servers would work well in these kinds of situations, but yet again, I'm not an expert.

Not paying a player who won is a whole different story (even tho games can be "real"). We aren't talking about that here?
I have personally contacted folks at Novomatic, IGT, Microgaming, Netent, Playtech, etc., etc., and yes - they are adamant at protecting their Intellectual Property, but what are they going to do - send a team of Navy Seals to Curacao or wherever? :p

It is frustrating to say the least since that jurisdiction harbors those crooks, condones it, and gets a piece of the pie as well.
 

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LoopsterAU

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Still surprised reps from NLC have not responded here.

They mentioned on their thread they have ran into regulatory issues earlier in the year and have pulled all their games from all the trusted casinos left for AU but somehow this rogue casino manages to use them on their real CDN.

If this rogue casino can let Aussies play them at least let all the other casino's serving us have them back, you were one of our favorite providers.

@NolimitCity - Pelle
 

Casinomeister

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Still surprised reps from NLC have not responded here.

They mentioned on their thread they have ran into regulatory issues earlier in the year and have pulled all their games from all the trusted casinos left for AU but somehow this rogue casino manages to use them on their real CDN.

If this rogue casino can let Aussies play them at least let all the other casino's serving us have them back, you were one of our favorite providers.

@NolimitCity - Pelle
Yeah - it's not that simple. If you are accepting or profiting off of Aussie bets, and live elsewhere from the land downunder, you can be in a world of hurt to include being stopped at the border and refused entry. All of those casinos allowing Aussie bets - those operators have pretty much decided that they will never travel to Australia again. I am sure this goes for software providers. The ACMA is pretty aggressive. I know this personally. :D

Here is an idea on what these operators (and affiliates who promote illegal gambling) are possibly dealing with:
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In fact, if you are in Australia and feel you have been ripped off by one of these casinos report them here:
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kuremajami

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Hey guys, sorry I don't have much time right now to write another "proper" post. Will try to do it these days.

Just one more question, and someone already mentioned crypto casinos earlier.

What's your opinion on it? They also have hacked games? Let's take "stake.com" for example only because they are everywhere (I mean marketing), and they are accepting AU bets and money. It's crypto, but still.


Game providers don't have anything against it? Or they are, as well, running fake/hacked games?
 

Sunflytoy

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I did some research today: they use c27 dot games for at least one NetEnt and one Microgaming game, which is a known server for pirated games (and which is ran by the OutcomeBet group, they sell their pirated games to people loose in ethics). They seem remarkably new: there's not even an affiliate website. I'm not sure if this Reddit account:
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is them spamming or an affiliate (although there's no affiliate number or ID in the links provided) but it, along with the pirated games, hardly shows them in a good light.
 
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