Roulette69 issue - PAB rejected - player upset

[sally_bairnish]

Hi,
I feel other people should be warned about Roulette69. They steal money.

I was 3600 up at Roulette69 playing their slots with NO BONUS, and they are refusing to pay me out. I have adhered to all their terms and conditions, which they agree with. They do not want to pay me as they say I am 'linked to other players' and a 'bonus abuser'. They have given me no evidence of this. I have played on my own the whole time.

After posting a PAB with the Max guy in this forum, he came back after 2 weeks calling me a 'fraudster', closing my CM account and saying that he's not going to tell me what evidence they have of my 'fraud' as they 'do not normally disclose to the public forensic information they use to track and isolate fraudsters'.
It appears this is a common theme CM like to hide behind when they have no evidence to protect their affiliate income. CM also seem to have disregarded a point on their own site 'Must not confiscate winnings for vague & unclear reasons, such as "irregular playing patterns" or "bonus abuse", without specific T&C violations.'

Please note that I am not going to hide ANY information by saying it is 'confidential information', apart from my address or phone number.

Here's the story;
I had about 1000 to play with and see they had a 4 tier slot bonus structure on signing up. Their terms said I could deposit any amount for each tier of the bonus. As the bonuses incramently increased, it seemed obvious to deposit the minimum (30) for the first 2 smaller bonuses and maximum for the last 2, to get the maximum bonus. Support also told me this was fine.
I played a while on slots and lost all my money
I felt my luck had to change at some point so borrowed some money and I deposited a 400 more without a bonus and increased my spin size. All the time I played slot machines.
I got a couple of big hits on the slots taking my balance to over 5,500 and carried on playing for a while longer.
My luck seemed to have run out after going on bit a bad run so I stopped on 5,000 exactly and withdrew.

I sent all my ID to them. In the time I was waiting for them to authorize my ID, I got a new mobile number as I didn't pay the bill on my old one. Roulette69 asked for my new mobile bill which I sent to them and they called me on it to verify me.

I then had a very odd conversation with a guy called Steve from Roulette69. He said they weren't going to pay me because my account is linked to other accounts. Here are the points he mentioned, each one just seems like antother excuse plucked from thin air trying to get out of paying legitimate winnings.

My phone number didn't connect. - I sent them a bill for my new number, they seemed to accept this.

My IP address is similar to other players.... - I spoke with my ISP and they said my IP address is unique and that several million people in and around london will have a similar one.

I played similar games to other players - over 95% of my wagering was on slots and I think I played nearly every slot there was to play. Surely most of their players play slots? I don't see how people can get around this. Also, my play with the bonuses I got had to be on slots.

He said I was a bonus abuser as I bet the majority of my balance for the first 2 smaller bonuses of about 30. - It doesn't say I can't do this in their terms and I lost the bonus anyway so don't see what relevence this has.

I played similar bet size to other players - I played slot spins of between 1 & 35. varying up and down all the time. The majority of my spins were probably around 20. I don't see how I am supposed to know what other players do. I always play similar spin sizes at the couple of other casinos I have played at.

I am a bonus abuser - I don't see how this is possible. I googled bonus abuser and it appears you need to play blackjack to abuse bonues. Also I lost all the bonuses I received so don't see how I 'abused' them. I won my money depositing with my own money as it seemed impossible to complete their rollover thing I had to do.

If Roulette69 have got any further information about what I have done wrong then I would like to hear it. I've got nothing to hide, I just got lucky and would like my winnings, I have had my fair share of losses so this has really left a bitter taste in my mouth as I thought I finally got a big win.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Well you are going to get this one closed as well. Max had a pretty good reason why your PAB was denied and that they closed you account here a CM. I almost guarantee it.

 

[sally_bairnish]

Yes you are right. The reason is that they don't want to compromise their affiliate income.

If they can tell the good people of this forum what evidence they have, please post it, I have nothing to hide.

They will hide behind the confidentiality thing, I assure you

 

[bryand]

FWIW, I've seen CM go after much bigger fish than R69

Hopefully Max will give some details about your case.

 

[sally_bairnish]

Thanks, so do I.
If they can just explain what I have done wrong I will leave it, and I can learn for elsewhere.
But not being paid was demorilising enough, I then get called a 'fraudster' to rub salt in my wounds

How many fraudsters you know who play a slot machine? I just don't get it.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yes you are right. The reason is that they don't want to compromise their affiliate income.

If they can tell the good people of this forum what evidence they have, please post it, I have nothing to hide.

They will hide behind the confidentiality thing, I assure you

I advised you not to post this. Be it on your own head if you get this account banned as well. Hope your friend isn't too miffed.

Casinomeister does NOT work under the "affiliate income" model. The site takes paid advertising from accredited casinos. This ensures both a steady income stream, and NO conflict of interest (such as the site making more money if players lose or don't get paid).

You should get your deposit back from the casino, but they are clearly disputing the validity of your winnings.

You may well have to follow this thread as a "guest", because I can't see this other account lasting much longer now that you have "broken cover".

 

[LaurieJim]

FWIW, I've seen CM go after much bigger fish than R69

Hopefully Max will give some details about your case.

That is something i sure would like to see, the details of this case, just to know that this is a up and up casino and ran by good management ...............laurie

 

[sally_bairnish]

I did get my deposits back, just not my 3,600 winnings.

Are the above reasons enough to take my money? What about the rule CM has for accredited casinos? I have broken no T&C's.
What advantage can I possibly get from playing the slots without a bonus?
I've played a few microgaming slots before and never had a problem like this, when I win I get paid, that's it.

 

[LaurieJim]

I did get my deposits back, just not my 3,600 winnings.

Are the above reasons enough to take my money? What about the rule CM has for accredited casinos? I have broken no T&C's.
What advantage can I possibly get from playing the slots without a bonus?
I've played a few microgaming slots before and never had a problem like this, when I win I get paid, that's it.

So why were you banned from CM? Was it for doing a PAB? Im a little confused on that part of it................laurie

 

[sally_bairnish]

I was banned forever for posting a false PAB

 

[vegetagirl2008]

So why were you banned from CM? Was it for doing a PAB? Im a little confused on that part of it................laurie

Evidently there was some fraudulent activity going on and they banned them.

 

[sally_bairnish]

Do you think the list of things Roulette69 said to me is evidence of fraudulent activity? If that is the consensus then I will politely disagree and bugger off

 

[LaurieJim]

I was banned forever for posting a false PAB

Evidently there was some fraudulent activity going on and they banned them.

So did you file a false PAB ? Did you really have 3600.00 due? I sure would be afraid to do a PAB if this was the case, if its going to get you banned


Who is banned them ? Was there more than one person involved?

Damn im nosy tonight............laurie

 

[vegetagirl2008]

So did you file a false PAB ? Did you really have 3600.00 due? I sure would be afraid to do a PAB if this was the case, if its going to get you banned

Who is banned them?
I meant the OP.

Damn im nosy tonight............laurie

Well Im nosy too so that makes two of us. Well curious is all.

 

[sally_bairnish]

So did you file a false PAB ? Did you really have 3600.00 due? I sure would be afraid to do a PAB if this was the case, if its going to get you banned


Who is banned them ? Was there more than one person involved?

Damn im nosy tonight............laurie

No it's not a false PAB, I'm just telling your Max's reason for banning me. This is my workmates account which she doesn't use.

I signed up to R69, got a bonus, lost, then deposited 400 of my own money (without a bonus) and won. R69 aren't paying me as they say I am a fraud. I had a long conversation with a guy from R69 and his 'evidence' of fraud was pathetic (in first post of this thread). They just don't like paying out big wins.

I was astonished to see that Max agreed with R69, he is saying he's not going to tell me the reasons (as they have NO solid reasons)

 

[sally_bairnish]

Did you really have 3600.00 due?

Yep here's the timeline;
Deposited 1000 in total for some of their signup bonuses.
Lost ALL my money trying to get through the stupid wagering requirement.
Deposited 400 more and got a couple of big hits on the slots taking my balance to 5000!
Got paid my total deposits back of 1,400 and told I couldn't have my winnings for pathetic reasons.

 

[clj7221]

No it's not a false PAB, I'm just telling your Max's reason for banning me. This is my workmates account which she doesn't use.

I signed up to R69, got a bonus, lost, then deposited 400 of my own money (without a bonus) and won. R69 aren't paying me as they say I am a fraud. I had a long conversation with a guy from R69 and his 'evidence' of fraud was pathetic (in first post of this thread). They just don't like paying out big wins.

I was astonished to see that Max agreed with R69, he is saying he's not going to tell me the reasons (as they have NO solid reasons)

Your workmates account? Ok I came in the middle of this. sorry,

 

[sally_bairnish]

Your workmates account?

Casinomeister Forum Account.
Max banned me. I was telling the people at work about what happened and a girl said I could use her CM account to post.

 

[LaurieJim]

No it's not a false PAB, I'm just telling your Max's reason for banning me. This is my workmates account which she doesn't use.

I signed up to R69, got a bonus, lost, then deposited 400 of my own money (without a bonus) and won. R69 aren't paying me as they say I am a fraud. I had a long conversation with a guy from R69 and his 'evidence' of fraud was pathetic (in first post of this thread). They just don't like paying out big wins.

I was astonished to see that Max agreed with R69, he is saying he's not going to tell me the reasons (as they have NO solid reasons)

I would want to know 3600 reasons why imo, that is if your on the up and up about what you said went on, Maxd is most of the time on the players side, so i guess thats why im asking so much, he tends to be fair minded on most PAB issues, so maybe he will respond..........laurie

 

[sally_bairnish]

I hope so. I would have just left it, but he called me a fraudster. Quite an accusation really. Even if I did have multiple casino accounts, is that fraud? Also, aren't people only guilty when it is proven? Saying I have broken the law is quite wide of the mark to say the least.

 

[LonelyHearts]

If the OP deposited and won with his own money (Without a bonus). And the funds are not stolen. The casino should pay. They can close his account if they feel like it. But if the OP would have lost. Chances are they would have kept his deposit. I've seen underage people in real casinos and get kicked out. But they were paid in full cash if they had chips. Unless the OP committed fraud using funds, then I don't see why the OP shouldn't get his money. If they gonna say the OP had multiple accounts. That's still no reason to deny payment on 100% cash deposit

 

[sally_bairnish]

he tends to be fair minded on most PAB issues, so maybe he will respond..........laurie

That's because you don't see the ones he refuses as he bans the person from posting again.

This account will probably be banned soon too, he will then say the information about my 'fraud' is confidential or something and expect people to take his word for it. Then their accredited casino can continue to rip off the winners.

 

[sally_bairnish]

If the OP deposited and won with his own money (Without a bonus). And the funds are not stolen. The casino should pay. They can close his account if they feel like it. But if the OP would have lost. Chances are they would have kept his deposit. I've seen underage people in real casinos and get kicked out. But they were paid in full cash if they had chips. Unless the OP committed fraud using funds, then I don't see why the OP shouldn't get his money. If they gonna say the OP at multi accounts. That's still no reason to deny payment on 100% cash deposit

Thankyou.

Nope I played without a bonus and played slots. I've been reading a lot about casinos since all this started and I don't know of any gain I could have received by depositing my own money into slots and playing games the casino has the advantage on.

You gotta ask yourself, what is the motive behind my 'fraud'?

If I have missed something then someone please educate me.

 

[mattsgame]

I hope so. I would have just left it, but he called me a fraudster. Quite an accusation really. Even if I did have multiple casino accounts, is that fraud? Also, aren't people only guilty when it is proven? Saying I have broken the law is quite wide of the mark to say the least.

I don't know what u mean here? are u saying you did have multiple accounts?

And in the casino's eyes yes this makes u a fraud/bomus abuser.

If so this is almost against every casino's t&c with some exeptions.

Cheers matt,

 

[RobWin]

Casinomeister does NOT work under the "affiliate income" model. The site takes paid advertising from accredited casinos. This ensures both a steady income stream, and NO conflict of interest (such as the site making more money if players lose or don't get paid).

Are you certain about that Vinyl? Personally I think you are wrong here. I may be wrong as well but if Bryan were not making any money off of his affiliate banners he has listed here then he would also need no affiliate tags attached to them as well, don't you think. I do agree with you though that the site takes paid advertising from accredited casinos in order to be listed there in the "Accredited Casino List Section".

It would be nice for Bryan to clear this controversial issue up once and for all as there has been way too much speculation on it over the years that continues to pop up several times each year but we are all still left without the true answer. Personally I see no reason at all for any secrecy regarding this.

I have stated in many posts that I too would charge the accredited casinos a listing fee for the exclusive exposure they are guaranteed by being listed on the "Accredited List" but for you to imply that Bryan makes no money as an affiliate is absurd IMO.

Others may have a different opinion as well Vinyl........

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[mattsgame]

If the OP deposited and won with his own money (Without a bonus). And the funds are not stolen. The casino should pay. They can close his account if they feel like it. But if the OP would have lost. Chances are they would have kept his deposit. I've seen underage people in real casinos and get kicked out. But they were paid in full cash if they had chips. Unless the OP committed fraud using funds, then I don't see why the OP shouldn't get his money. If they gonna say the OP had multiple accounts. That's still no reason to deny payment on 100% cash deposit

Im sorry but i have to disagree. Almost every casino has it in black and white that multiple accounts is a no no and vialates there t&c and winnings will be void if found.

 

[LonelyHearts]

Im sorry but i have to disagree. Almost every casino has it in black and white that multiple accounts is a no no and vialates there t&c and winnings will be void if found.

True. But people open up multiple accounts for a number of reasons. The main reason is to get signup bonus. The OP stated he busted out of the bonus and deposit with his own funds. If the casino accepts a bet. Then the casino should pay the winnings. Let's say the OP has 10 multiple accounts. The casino should refund every one of those accounts. But they arent because they accepted the bet and the OP lost. As long as the OP was opening accounts and losing. The casino was accepting the bets and could care less about the number of accounts. If they did, they would have put a detection ahead of him opening an account. But when it was the casino time to pay the piper. They wanted to check their records. If though they may or may not caught the OP doing his cashout. I am willing to bet if the OP would turn around and open another account at the same casino. They would accept the bet and if lost. Nothing would be said!

 

[sally_bairnish]

I don't know what u mean here? are u saying you did have multiple accounts?

And in the casino's eyes yes this makes u a fraud/bomus abuser.

If so this is almost against every casino's t&c with some exeptions.

Cheers matt,

Let me get this straight. I DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. I'm just saying even if someone did, it's wrong to call them a 'fraud', you are not a criminal until it is proven in a court of law.

 

[LonelyHearts]

Are you certain about that Vinyl? Personally I think you are wrong here. I may be wrong as well but if Bryan were not making any money off of his affiliate banners he has listed here then he would also need no affiliate tags attached to them as well, don't you think. I do agree with you though that the site takes paid advertising from accredited casinos in order to be listed there in the "Accredited Casino List Section".

It would be nice for Bryan to clear this controversial issue up once and for all as there has been way too much speculation on it over the years that continues to pop up several times each year but we are all still left without the true answer. Personally I see no reason at all for any secrecy regarding this.

I have stated in many posts that I too would charge the accredited casinos a listing fee for the exclusive exposure they are guaranteed by being listed on the "Accredited List" but for you to imply that Bryan makes no money as an affiliate is absurd IMO.
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No man can serve two masters.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

True. But people open up multiple accounts for a number of reasons. The main reason is to get signup bonus. The OP stated he busted out of the bonus and deposit with his own funds. If the casino accepts a bet. Then the casino should pay the winnings. Let's say the OP has 10 multiple accounts. The casino should refund every one of those accounts. But they arent because they accepted the bet and the OP lost. As long as the OP was opening accounts and losing. The casino was accepting the bets and could care less about the number of accounts. If they did, they would have put a detection ahead of him opening an account. But when it was the casino time to pay the piper. They wanted to check their records. If though they may or may not caught the OP doing his cashout. I am willing to bet if the OP would turn around and open another account at the same casino. They would accept the bet and if lost. Nothing would be said!

If the OP had read the T & C and that goes with any casino. Having multiple accounts will result in your account closing and deposits being returned.

 

[LonelyHearts]

If the OP had read the T & C and that goes with any casino. Having multiple accounts will result in your account closing and deposits being returned.

If thats the case "ALL DEPOSITS FROM ALL ACCOUNTS SHOULD BE RETURNED!"

 

[clj7221]

If the OP had read the T & C and that goes with any casino. Having multiple accounts will result in your account closing and deposits being returned.

He cleared this up and stated he doesn't have mulitple accounts.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

If thats the case "ALL DEPOSITS FROM ALL ACCOUNTS SHOULD BE RETURNED!"

The OP did stated this and why are you screaming at me?..

 

[sally_bairnish]

I got my deposits back. I just want my 3,600 winnings. Casinos aren't much fun unless you get winnings from time to time.

 

[RobWin]

No man can serve two masters.

Who said anything about serving two masters?
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[vegetagirl2008]

He cleared this up and stated he doesn't have mulitple accounts.

We are going around in circles. We are going have to wait until Max posts here and everything will be cleared up. This thread is one-sided and we don't know exactly what happened from Max's point of view.

 

[sally_bairnish]

Everything is exactly as it has happened in my posts.
If Max has some more details of what i have supposedly done wrong, then I look forward to seeing it.

 

[mattsgame]

my apology

Let me get this straight. I DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. I'm just saying even if someone did, it's wrong to call them a 'fraud', you are not a criminal until it is proven in a court of law.

Sorry the way i read it i thought u were saying that thats what had happened. I guess no ones going to find out the true story apart the op max and the casino.

I haven't Been playing online casino's for very long.But i have done alot of reading since i started both here and other forums.

the thing that bugs me is the fact that casino's can do what they please to someones account. to a newbie this is quite scary.

Why can't casino's be upfront and honest as to why a player was a:bonus banned b: account locked and winnings forfeited etc etc

Im sure theres alot of honest genuine players that these things happen to by making an honest mistake. If this was then explained to the customer what they had done in FULL detail then these problems wouldn't arise so much nor happen again with said customer. Not to mention if t&c where written clearly so every average joe understands them.

Of course theres fraudsters and bonus abusers and they deserve everything they get.


On another note i never got the 1 account per computer, household etc. i know its there to prevent fraud but common sense would tell anyone more than one adult could be living in a household.( wouldnt be hard to i.d more than 1 person in a household) Imagine if you walked into a casino etc with your partner and they said sorry sir only one of u may come in.

cheers matt.

sorry for rambling works a little boring

 

[mattsgame]

I have not been a member here long but just my 2 cents.

Who gives a rats nannies if they are making money from being an affiliate or from advertising. This website does more for the casino players as a hole, i mean seriously bryan lets all you other webmasters and affiliates be known to us other users and have your websites listed here. NOT to mention all the bullshit affiliates out there who do crap for the people that sign up thru there websites let alone advertise rougue casino's willingly. Also who do you think pays for he pabs etc and if maxd or bryan where to be biased towards any casino here im sure it would be noticed in a heart beat and this place would be deserted.



Cheers
matt

 

[RobWin]

I have not been a member here long but just my 2 cents.

Who gives a rats nannies if they are making money from being an affiliate or from advertising. This website does more for the casino players as a hole, i mean seriously bryan lets all you other webmasters and affiliates be known to us other users and have your websites listed here. NOT to mention all the bullshit affiliates out there who do crap for the people that sign up thru there websites let alone advertise rougue casino's willingly. Also who do you think pays for he pabs etc and if maxd or bryan where to be biased towards any casino here im sure it would be noticed in a heart beat and this place would be deserted.

this was not a go at you robwin as i seen a few people mention this i just used your post for my reply. it was easier to quote.

Cheers
matt

I totally agree with you Matt, Bryan certainly deserves all he makes from his site here. I just wish that he would either make a post or add this info to the site somewhere, to where it will finally be crystal clear once and for all for everyone to see, and clear up any and all mis-conceptions on whether he makes money as an affiliate or not or just from strictly accepting advertising dollars from casinos that want to be listed here or both.

This type of info should not be skewered in anyway IMO. I'm a webmaster/affiliate and I make money from both CPA deals and Rev Share from my affiliate links and banners on my site. It's not any big secret that most affiliates/casino webmasters make their income this way. So I really don't know why Bryan has never just clarified this issue before and then when some new member joins the forum here then they too would be clearly informed as to Bryan's affiliate connections, one way or the other. No room for any mis-conception or mis-understanding that way.

Some webmasters do media buy deals as well with casino affiliate programs.

It's certainly not rocket science..
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[LonelyHearts]

I have not been a member here long but just my 2 cents.

Who gives a rats nannies if they are making money from being an affiliate or from advertising. This website does more for the casino players as a hole, i mean seriously bryan lets all you other webmasters and affiliates be known to us other users and have your websites listed here. NOT to mention all the bullshit affiliates out there who do crap for the people that sign up thru there websites let alone advertise rougue casino's willingly. Also who do you think pays for he pabs etc and if maxd or bryan where to be biased towards any casino here im sure it would be noticed in a heart beat and this place would be deserted.



Cheers
matt

YEP! Who gives a rats nannies. If my congressman is getting money for X company, Y company, and Z company as long as he still serves the public. Makes one wonder why the public didn't want the health care plan. But Congress passed it anyways. I guess XYZ has more pull then US. Not saying my congressman don't serve us at times. Just sometimes he has to serve XYZ also.

 

[Nifty29]

In my experience, when a PAB or complaint is rejected due to alleged fraud it usually turns out to be justified.

Ive also found that the complainant tries to deflect attention away from what they probably did by getting stuck into Bryan, Max, the Casino, and anyone else who gets in the way.

Where there is smoke their is almost always fire.

Of course, Im also open-minded enough to believe there is a first time for everything.

P.S. Ive played numerous times at R69 with and without bonuses, with big and small bets, and big and small deposits and WON - and was paid every time most promptly. So what is the difference between you and I ???

 

[sally_bairnish]

In my experience, when a PAB or complaint is rejected due to alleged fraud it usually turns out to be justified.

Ive also found that the complainant tries to deflect attention away from what they probably did by getting stuck into Bryan, Max, the Casino, and anyone else who gets in the way.

Where there is smoke their is almost always fire.

Of course, Im also open-minded enough to believe there is a first time for everything.

P.S. Ive played numerous times at R69 with and without bonuses, with big and small bets, and big and small deposits and WON - and was paid every time most promptly. So what is the difference between you and I ???

Sorry, I shouldn't come accross as having a go at Bryan and Max so much, just that I don't like being called a fraudster and being barred from telling the public about my experience.

Maybe the difference between us is that I got lucky enough to win quite big quite early on, so they weren't 100% sure if they would recoup the money from me later on, whereas with you maybe it's different.

I just want the public to decide and see what goes on behind the scences with some of these places. I've presented everything I know of the situation, If I've done bad, then please let me know what it is. I'm being honest when I say I don't have duplicate accounts.... and I don't see what advantage I could have had by having them either, seeing as I'm just playing their slots.

 

[BLUEWATER]

Seem like you not going to get your winning. You are lucky you even got all of your deposit back. Just be thankful and move on.

 

[Nifty29]

Maybe the difference between us is that I got lucky enough to win quite big quite early on, so they weren't 100% sure if they would recoup the money from me later on, whereas with you maybe it's different.

As I recall, I cashed out about $1000 from a $50 deposit on the signup bonus- so they didnt really know if I would be back, but they paid me nonetheless. No problems at all.

One thing I CAN gaurantee is that Max and Bryan will ALWAYS treat each PAB fairly and take the players' claim at face value, until such time as evidence appears to the contrary.

If Max banned you for a fraudulent claim, then I would have to say there must be something you're not telling us.....and maybe you know that Max can't tell us for security reasons (i.e. it may reveal how the casinos detect fraud etc)....so he cant really provide all the necessary evidence.

I can't remember a member being re-instated after being banned for a dodgy PAB with a "sorry we got it all wrong" from CM. Why? Because CM doesnt take this decision lightly and he must have been VERY sure of what happened.

If you ARE telling the FULL story, and you are proven right and your membership is re-instated, I will donate $50 to your favorite charity.

 

[jetset]

We're going off at something of a tangent here, and in any case I seem to recall that Bryan has in the past made it clear that the bulk of his income from this website is from 'real estate' as opposed to affiliate deal advertising.

But I'll leave that to him to address.

Back on topic. If there's one thing I've learned from many years of frequenting Casinomeister, it's that the PAB system is honest and it works. For both sides, because balance is what this site is all about.

Operators will not divulge publicly the anti-fraud measures they take against online gamblers because they believe - rightly or wrongly - that this merely educates fraudsters in how to get around them.

That means that a trusted person like Bryan acting as an intermediary (and that sort of independent integrity takes years to build up) is given the facts and confirms whether the operator was within his rights to take the action complained about.

If it isn't, you can be sure that Casinomeister will speak out, and it would be unwise for any operator to persist if CM opined that he was being unfair.

Regrettably, there are a helluva lot of fraudulent folks out there, and oft-times there is a genuine case for stopping their nonsense.

Unfortunately, this free [PAB] public service that Casinomeister renders also lays Bryan and Max open to the sort of attacks we see in this thread, because, as we have seen here frequently, there are those fraudsters who will persevere despite being caught out.

I know who I would rather trust.

 

[baabaa006]

I am really intrigued by this.

Can't wait for Max or Bryan's response.

I'd love to know the full story of this one.

Is the OP telling the whole truth????

 

[jas2587]

I personally dont think it is any of our biz to know how an what Bryan makes his living by be it affilates buying banners shipping beer selling his autograph
thats his info dont know why it keeps being brought up its a great site every one gets to say nearly pretty much what they want so let it be

Cindy

 

[spearmaster]

I'm sure Max has all the relevant details and made the call he thought was correct.

I do, however, want to point out one thing - if the winnings were made off that last deposit, without a bonus - then it is completely irrelevant whether or not the person is linked to other accounts because he/she gained no advantage by making a deposit without receiving a bonus.

If this is the case, then in my lowly opinion the player should be paid.

 

[Nifty29]

I'm sure Max has all the relevant details and made the call he thought was correct.

I do, however, want to point out one thing - if the winnings were made off that last deposit, without a bonus - then it is completely irrelevant whether or not the person is linked to other accounts because he/she gained no advantage by making a deposit without receiving a bonus.

If this is the case, then in my lowly opinion the player should be paid.

I can see that point Spear, but the question to be answered first is the whole 'chicken or the egg' thing. If they opened another account, or claimed first deposit bonuses on a computer or site etc where someone else has claimed a bonus BEFORE they made other deposits, then the account is effectively fraudulent before any subsequent deposits are made so there couldnt actually be any legitimate winnings beyond the first deposit. In other words, the 'fruit of the poisonous tree' if you like.

If casinos asked for docs upon the first deposit, then these situations could be avoided and its good to see that some are starting to do this.

At least R69 refunded the deposits, which some operators wouldn't.

I would be surprised if more information doesnt come to light in the near future.....