Roulette69 issue - PAB rejected - player upset

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LonelyHearts

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If the OP deposited and won with his own money (Without a bonus). And the funds are not stolen. The casino should pay. They can close his account if they feel like it. But if the OP would have lost. Chances are they would have kept his deposit. I've seen underage people in real casinos and get kicked out. But they were paid in full cash if they had chips. Unless the OP committed fraud using funds, then I don't see why the OP shouldn't get his money. If they gonna say the OP had multiple accounts. That's still no reason to deny payment on 100% cash deposit
 

sally_bairnish

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he tends to be fair minded on most PAB issues, so maybe he will respond..........laurie

That's because you don't see the ones he refuses as he bans the person from posting again.

This account will probably be banned soon too, he will then say the information about my 'fraud' is confidential or something and expect people to take his word for it. Then their accredited casino can continue to rip off the winners.
 

sally_bairnish

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If the OP deposited and won with his own money (Without a bonus). And the funds are not stolen. The casino should pay. They can close his account if they feel like it. But if the OP would have lost. Chances are they would have kept his deposit. I've seen underage people in real casinos and get kicked out. But they were paid in full cash if they had chips. Unless the OP committed fraud using funds, then I don't see why the OP shouldn't get his money. If they gonna say the OP at multi accounts. That's still no reason to deny payment on 100% cash deposit

Thankyou.

Nope I played without a bonus and played slots. I've been reading a lot about casinos since all this started and I don't know of any gain I could have received by depositing my own money into slots and playing games the casino has the advantage on.

You gotta ask yourself, what is the motive behind my 'fraud'?

If I have missed something then someone please educate me.
 

mattsgame

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I hope so. I would have just left it, but he called me a fraudster. Quite an accusation really. Even if I did have multiple casino accounts, is that fraud? Also, aren't people only guilty when it is proven? Saying I have broken the law is quite wide of the mark to say the least.

I don't know what u mean here? are u saying you did have multiple accounts?

And in the casino's eyes yes this makes u a fraud/bomus abuser.

If so this is almost against every casino's t&c with some exeptions.

Cheers matt,
 

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Casinomeister does NOT work under the "affiliate income" model. The site takes paid advertising from accredited casinos. This ensures both a steady income stream, and NO conflict of interest (such as the site making more money if players lose or don't get paid).

Are you certain about that Vinyl? Personally I think you are wrong here. I may be wrong as well but if Bryan were not making any money off of his affiliate banners he has listed here then he would also need no affiliate tags attached to them as well, don't you think. I do agree with you though that the site takes paid advertising from accredited casinos in order to be listed there in the "Accredited Casino List Section".

It would be nice for Bryan to clear this controversial issue up once and for all as there has been way too much speculation on it over the years that continues to pop up several times each year but we are all still left without the true answer. Personally I see no reason at all for any secrecy regarding this.

I have stated in many posts that I too would charge the accredited casinos a listing fee for the exclusive exposure they are guaranteed by being listed on the "Accredited List" but for you to imply that Bryan makes no money as an affiliate is absurd IMO.

Others may have a different opinion as well Vinyl........

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If the OP deposited and won with his own money (Without a bonus). And the funds are not stolen. The casino should pay. They can close his account if they feel like it. But if the OP would have lost. Chances are they would have kept his deposit. I've seen underage people in real casinos and get kicked out. But they were paid in full cash if they had chips. Unless the OP committed fraud using funds, then I don't see why the OP shouldn't get his money. If they gonna say the OP had multiple accounts. That's still no reason to deny payment on 100% cash deposit

Im sorry but i have to disagree. Almost every casino has it in black and white that multiple accounts is a no no and vialates there t&c and winnings will be void if found.
 

LonelyHearts

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Im sorry but i have to disagree. Almost every casino has it in black and white that multiple accounts is a no no and vialates there t&c and winnings will be void if found.

True. But people open up multiple accounts for a number of reasons. The main reason is to get signup bonus. The OP stated he busted out of the bonus and deposit with his own funds. If the casino accepts a bet. Then the casino should pay the winnings. Let's say the OP has 10 multiple accounts. The casino should refund every one of those accounts. But they arent because they accepted the bet and the OP lost. As long as the OP was opening accounts and losing. The casino was accepting the bets and could care less about the number of accounts. If they did, they would have put a detection ahead of him opening an account. But when it was the casino time to pay the piper. They wanted to check their records. If though they may or may not caught the OP doing his cashout. I am willing to bet if the OP would turn around and open another account at the same casino. They would accept the bet and if lost. Nothing would be said!
 

sally_bairnish

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I don't know what u mean here? are u saying you did have multiple accounts?

And in the casino's eyes yes this makes u a fraud/bomus abuser.

If so this is almost against every casino's t&c with some exeptions.

Cheers matt,

Let me get this straight. I DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. I'm just saying even if someone did, it's wrong to call them a 'fraud', you are not a criminal until it is proven in a court of law.
 

LonelyHearts

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Are you certain about that Vinyl? Personally I think you are wrong here. I may be wrong as well but if Bryan were not making any money off of his affiliate banners he has listed here then he would also need no affiliate tags attached to them as well, don't you think. I do agree with you though that the site takes paid advertising from accredited casinos in order to be listed there in the "Accredited Casino List Section".

It would be nice for Bryan to clear this controversial issue up once and for all as there has been way too much speculation on it over the years that continues to pop up several times each year but we are all still left without the true answer. Personally I see no reason at all for any secrecy regarding this.

I have stated in many posts that I too would charge the accredited casinos a listing fee for the exclusive exposure they are guaranteed by being listed on the "Accredited List" but for you to imply that Bryan makes no money as an affiliate is absurd IMO.
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True. But people open up multiple accounts for a number of reasons. The main reason is to get signup bonus. The OP stated he busted out of the bonus and deposit with his own funds. If the casino accepts a bet. Then the casino should pay the winnings. Let's say the OP has 10 multiple accounts. The casino should refund every one of those accounts. But they arent because they accepted the bet and the OP lost. As long as the OP was opening accounts and losing. The casino was accepting the bets and could care less about the number of accounts. If they did, they would have put a detection ahead of him opening an account. But when it was the casino time to pay the piper. They wanted to check their records. If though they may or may not caught the OP doing his cashout. I am willing to bet if the OP would turn around and open another account at the same casino. They would accept the bet and if lost. Nothing would be said!
If the OP had read the T & C and that goes with any casino. Having multiple accounts will result in your account closing and deposits being returned.
 

sally_bairnish

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Everything is exactly as it has happened in my posts.
If Max has some more details of what i have supposedly done wrong, then I look forward to seeing it.
 

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my apology

Let me get this straight. I DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. I'm just saying even if someone did, it's wrong to call them a 'fraud', you are not a criminal until it is proven in a court of law.

Sorry the way i read it i thought u were saying that thats what had happened. I guess no ones going to find out the true story apart the op max and the casino.

I haven't Been playing online casino's for very long.But i have done alot of reading since i started both here and other forums.

the thing that bugs me is the fact that casino's can do what they please to someones account. to a newbie this is quite scary.

Why can't casino's be upfront and honest as to why a player was a:bonus banned b: account locked and winnings forfeited etc etc

Im sure theres alot of honest genuine players that these things happen to by making an honest mistake. If this was then explained to the customer what they had done in FULL detail then these problems wouldn't arise so much nor happen again with said customer. Not to mention if t&c where written clearly so every average joe understands them.

Of course theres fraudsters and bonus abusers and they deserve everything they get.


On another note i never got the 1 account per computer, household etc. i know its there to prevent fraud but common sense would tell anyone more than one adult could be living in a household.( wouldnt be hard to i.d more than 1 person in a household) Imagine if you walked into a casino etc with your partner and they said sorry sir only one of u may come in.

cheers matt.

sorry for rambling works a little boring :p
 

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I have not been a member here long but just my 2 cents.

Who gives a rats nannies if they are making money from being an affiliate or from advertising. This website does more for the casino players as a hole, i mean seriously bryan lets all you other webmasters and affiliates be known to us other users and have your websites listed here. NOT to mention all the bullshit affiliates out there who do crap for the people that sign up thru there websites let alone advertise rougue casino's willingly. Also who do you think pays for he pabs etc :p and if maxd or bryan where to be biased towards any casino here im sure it would be noticed in a heart beat and this place would be deserted.



Cheers
matt
 
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RobWin

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I have not been a member here long but just my 2 cents.

Who gives a rats nannies if they are making money from being an affiliate or from advertising. This website does more for the casino players as a hole, i mean seriously bryan lets all you other webmasters and affiliates be known to us other users and have your websites listed here. NOT to mention all the bullshit affiliates out there who do crap for the people that sign up thru there websites let alone advertise rougue casino's willingly. Also who do you think pays for he pabs etc :p and if maxd or bryan where to be biased towards any casino here im sure it would be noticed in a heart beat and this place would be deserted.

this was not a go at you robwin as i seen a few people mention this i just used your post for my reply. it was easier to quote.

Cheers
matt

I totally agree with you Matt, Bryan certainly deserves all he makes from his site here. I just wish that he would either make a post or add this info to the site somewhere, to where it will finally be crystal clear once and for all for everyone to see, and clear up any and all mis-conceptions on whether he makes money as an affiliate or not or just from strictly accepting advertising dollars from casinos that want to be listed here or both.

This type of info should not be skewered in anyway IMO. I'm a webmaster/affiliate and I make money from both CPA deals and Rev Share from my affiliate links and banners on my site. It's not any big secret that most affiliates/casino webmasters make their income this way. So I really don't know why Bryan has never just clarified this issue before and then when some new member joins the forum here then they too would be clearly informed as to Bryan's affiliate connections, one way or the other. No room for any mis-conception or mis-understanding that way.

Some webmasters do media buy deals as well with casino affiliate programs.

It's certainly not rocket science..:D:thumbsup:
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