Rival the most corrupt software on the net.

[Rusty]

Not played Rival for a long time because I know the software is impossibly streaky.
Well just as a One off thought I would take a look at the new slots and low roll for a bit of interest with a bonus.

As is always the case with Rival on a bonus I started quite well - hitting a few decent wins - plenty of bonus rounds so that was ok, it is playtime after all but then...
Suddenly a disconnect - the only One I had and from that moment every slot was completely dead.
My stats from the disconnect onward are about 800 spins with a 40% return until zeroing out.

I had the same results many times previously but it still surprises me how blatantly this software cheats.

My invitation is still open to Rival to discuss these impossible streaks and how the RTP of their slots is made up.

Come on Rival get some balls.

 

[chuchu59]

It is impossible to argue with Rusty on the streakiness of Rival slots. We all know about the high variance of the 2 Scary Rich slots but then even the ordinary ones sometimes behave like the 2 scaries. Dead, dead and dead for hundreds of spins. The key to this would be the size of your bets. Start at 2 coins and if you feel low on luck reduce it to 1 coin and increase to 4-5 coins when you start hitting. Sounds like old hat but definitely works for the Rival slots.

It is not unusual to have 200 or more spins at low variance Rival slots and 40%-50% RTP is commonplace with them. I notice that if you set your slots on autoplay for say 100 spins you could well finish them without a feature. However, once you start afresh, you will encounter a number of occasions where you get the feature on your very first spin.

 

[Rusty]

If you say your strategy works Chu I believe you certainly but my problem is not that some slots are high variance it is that the variance is not natural.

You are either hitting all the time (low wagers with large bonus WR does the trick nicely if you want some screenies ) or you hit nothing (after a nice hit or well into a bonus WR).
Anyone who has played Rival slots will agree they are streaky but why or how is this acceptable?
The streaks are manufactured which means the return on any given slot must change as you play. (So what are the conditions that dictate a change?)
I actually believe there is more than an element of this in RTG and to a lesser degree MGS as well but Rival is by far the most blatant user of dynamic weighting if that is what it is and not just stone cold cheating.

When these crazy streaks are the norm it is a huge turn off for me because I feel my luck is based on the the whim of Rival rather than a RNG.
Some of you must win often enough to forgive it which is understandable I guess but if the slot returns are manipulated in real time you are sure to be on the wrong end of a kicking sometime.

Sure I can now exercise my right not to play again and leave my next little dig to their ribs for a few Months but that won't make Rival software any more legitimate in the meanwhile.

Those of you who play Rival and enjoy it, fair enough, I wish you well.

 

[gloria460]

Rivals

The part about starting to win and then a disconnect strikes a cord with me to. Rival is the only software that constantly boots me and when logging back in you're damned what the heck happened.

I can name many instances where I was booted on a winning session. I hit good from them two weeks ago and it's been murder ever since.

 

[WagerWitch]

Don't laugh - but BoDog often has a little downloader thingie that pops up that connects (it says) to something - WHILE you are playing.

I always seem to get less wins as soon as that thing pops up - and I will often just sign out of the game and play later.

NOTE: however, I am not ever playing at BoDog Again.

 

[LaurieJim]

Oh hells bells!!!!!!!!! i think they all are corrupt at times, Rival, R.T.G , M/G and......... DARE I SAY IT................3 DICE.

I guess if i was hitting anything worth a lick of salt, i wouldnt be so down on all of them, but alas i seem to be like a bunch of folks here, cant seem to hit anything thats half ass decent.

Rival used to be fun, with lots of playtime and then they went and dropped the Canadian players, M/G damn entertaining and then they dropped most Americans, or was that Kentucky or if your state borders this or that state, OH FLIP!!!, tooooooooo damn confusing, R.T.G well i think the good old days are gone for them as bad as i hate to say it.

I always thought you had a decent chance at 3 Dice but they have gotten just as bad, maybe i need to take up playing at POGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........laurie

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Yea sometime its just luck that anyone hits anything unless your willing to spend 1000 a pop..

 

[Nifty29]

Don't laugh - but BoDog often has a little downloader thingie that pops up that connects (it says) to something - WHILE you are playing.

I always seem to get less wins as soon as that thing pops up - and I will often just sign out of the game and play later.

NOTE: however, I am not ever playing at BoDog Again.

Ive seen that too WW - I was told by a casino rep that it happens when the promotions banner thingy in the lobby is updated (u know the thingy that goes across the screen which I cant for the life of me remember the technical term for....)

Ive confirmed this on a few occasions.

As for Rival, I only play at Sloto - and I often lose but occasionally win big. In some instances, Ive actually had more play time at 3 dice!

 

[jas2587]

WOW never thought I would see LJ talk bad about 3Dice

about time you saw the light


Cindy

 

[LaurieJim]

WOW never thought I would see LJ talk bad about 3Dice

about time you saw the light


Cindy

I call it !!! P.M.S.....otherwise known as.....Playtime Most Sorry..... laurie

 

[anniemac]

Here is a good example of things that make you go Hmmm!!

Hit 4 busses for the bonus. Bonus screen opened up and before it even went to the pick people screen, the dang thing had a spell and kicked me out. Low and behold when I opened it up, I had won $16. and some change. I didn't get to pick a darn thing. So much for random. Looks to me like it is a preset amount that I was going to win no matter what.

 

[chuchu59]

Annie,

No matter what the Rival reps say, the wins are pre-determined so it does not matter what you pick. I have been kicked out many times during pick features at various slots and sometimes when you re-enter you already have a win amount and they will not ask you to pick.

@ Rusty,

Deposited a paltry amount at a Rival yesterday and took a 250% bonus. Hitting quite well with many bonus rounds when the drought came. For a range of about 700 spins the return was about 45%. If you get one feature, you need another 150 spins or more to get the next one and then the next. This was for a low variance slot and my balance whittled away from $203 to $164 at $0.15 per spin until the tide turned. Now that's really something for a low variance slot.

 

[AussieDave]

Maybe I'm just talking in my hat, but, when they 1/2'ed the pay tables on their slots to me was a big issue.

I tried out the new iSlot and @ $1 - 1.25(?) a spin. I get 5 of something and I get my money back.

These things are a joke.
Not to mention that Cleopatra did another update.

Why does an old slot need to be updated all the time???


Cheers
T

 

[AudiManinBoro]

This is another thing that irks me about Rival and especially RTG. (sorry im on a moaning week ) With mg when you get a bonus round, not all the time, maybe not even half of the time, but SOME of the time, you pick one of the items, whether it be for free spins or a cash prize or whatever and you actually pick the top award It happens, it does and quite often at at that. Now i ask you all the same of an RTG casino. How many of you here truthfully when winning the bonus on oh i dont know say the warlocks slots actually manage to pick the 100 free spins? or the top prize on any of the other pick em slots? Me? I dont think ive EVER managed to have been awarded the 100 free spins and ive had hundreds of the bonus round out, you would think (even if it is predetermined) that you would be awarded it at least once, but noooo NEVER! MG to me doesnt FEEL pre determined ( it may very well be but if it is they do a damn site beter job of hiding this than RTG OR rival). With These operations it is so blatantly obvious.

 

[KasinoKing]

If you say your strategy works Chu I believe you certainly but my problem is not that some slots are high variance it is that the variance is not natural.

You are either hitting all the time (low wagers with large bonus WR does the trick nicely if you want some screenies ) or you hit nothing (after a nice hit or well into a bonus WR).
Anyone who has played Rival slots will agree they are streaky but why or how is this acceptable?

In my experience, all high variance games anywhere are 'streaky', especially slots.

The streaks are manufactured which means the return on any given slot must change as you play. (So what are the conditions that dictate a change?)
I actually believe there is more than an element of this in RTG and to a lesser degree MGS as well but Rival is by far the most blatant user of dynamic weighting if that is what it is and not just stone cold cheating.

Prove it!
If I came on here posting that Rival software was 100% random I would do my utmost to provide some solid proof.
You keep making threads saying this, that & the other software is rigged, without the tinyest shred of evidence, just hearsay & your gut feeling.
Sorry, but it's getting quite boring now.

When these crazy streaks are the norm it is a huge turn off for me because I feel my luck is based on the the whim of Rival rather than a RNG.
Some of you must win often enough to forgive it which is understandable I guess but if the slot returns are manipulated in real time you are sure to be on the wrong end of a kicking sometime.

So now your saying maybe it's not rigged, well not all the time anyway.

Sure I can now exercise my right not to play again and leave my next little dig to their ribs for a few Months but that won't make Rival software any more legitimate in the meanwhile.

Quite honestly my friend, I think you would be much happier if you exercised your right to never play another online casino again... ever! All they seem to do is cause you stress.

Those of you who play Rival and enjoy it, fair enough, I wish you well.

Thanks!

KK

 

[BingoT]

I can say I got the 100 free spins twice so far from Sloto & Lions and many many times with 4 out of the 5 for the 20 free spins.
~BT~

 

[jas2587]

should we dig up the WTF Rival post that have been made
ya cant have it both ways ya know

Cindy

 

[Rusty]

In my experience, all high variance games anywhere are 'streaky', especially slots.

There is no such thing as a naturally high variance game at Rival because the variance is not natural - ie determined by the paytable and probability of outcome - that is very obvious.

Prove it!
If I came on here posting that Rival software was 100% random I would do my utmost to provide some solid proof.
You keep making threads saying this, that & the other software is rigged, without the tinyest shred of evidence, just hearsay & your gut feeling.
Sorry, but it's getting quite boring now.

So you are not saying Rival is 100% random? :notworthy

Shred of evidence?
How about a big fish slapping wake up call of evidence.

I have provided plenty of evidence through playlogs and stats that the variance is not natural while you have provided absolutely none that it is.
I have even given you an experiment that anyone can perform to show my results are repeatable.



So now your saying maybe it's not rigged, well not all the time anyway.

Eh?
I am saying the same as I have always said.
The software is weighted and can be manipulated by the operator.


Quite honestly my friend, I think you would be much happier if you exercised your right to never play another online casino again... ever! All they seem to do is cause you stress.

You mean you would be much happier as an affiliate?


Thanks!

KK

You are welcome.

People as always are free to make their own minds up and they will.
Rival are free to come here and discuss these issues with me.

I am just pointing out the huge anomalies in my results which I believe many other people will have experienced.
If that bores you KK then stop posting the same replies that say nothing.

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

Bob Dylan.

 

[KasinoKing]

So you are not saying Rival is 100% random? :notworthy

Yes, I am NOT saying that it is 100% random - because I can not prove that it is.

I have provided plenty of evidence through playlogs and stats that the variance is not natural...

Sorry, I must have missed that.
Please point me to the details of your Playlogs so I can take a look.

I DO have playlogs of all my play at Rival casinos and I am quite happy to produce any of them here on request as you well know because I have offered to send them to you in the past.

You mean you would be much happier as an affiliate?

Well maybe you would. At least then you would see the other side of the coin - the large profits many players enjoy at Rival casinos.

KK

 

[chuchu59]

This is another thing that irks me about Rival and especially RTG. (sorry im on a moaning week ) With mg when you get a bonus round, not all the time, maybe not even half of the time, but SOME of the time, you pick one of the items, whether it be for free spins or a cash prize or whatever and you actually pick the top award It happens, it does and quite often at at that. Now i ask you all the same of an RTG casino. How many of you here truthfully when winning the bonus on oh i dont know say the warlocks slots actually manage to pick the 100 free spins? or the top prize on any of the other pick em slots? Me? I dont think ive EVER managed to have been awarded the 100 free spins and ive had hundreds of the bonus round out, you would think (even if it is predetermined) that you would be awarded it at least once, but noooo NEVER! MG to me doesnt FEEL pre determined ( it may very well be but if it is they do a damn site beter job of hiding this than RTG OR rival). With These operations it is so blatantly obvious.

I hate to say so but I got the 100 spins at Warlock's spell a total of 3 times in various RTG casinos several months ago. However, I was only able to cash out only once due to steep WRs. Louise once admitted that it was pre-determined but for the past 4-5 months and hundreds of bonus rounds I never got the 100 free spins again. MG does seem to give you the top award once in a while but for RTG it could prove a looooong wait.

 

[Rusty]

Yes, I am NOT saying that it is 100% random - because I can not prove that it is.


Sorry, I must have missed that.
Please point me to the details of your Playlogs so I can take a look.

I DO have playlogs of all my play at Rival casinos and I am quite happy to produce any of them here on request as you well know because I have offered to send them to you in the past.


Well maybe you would. At least then you would see the other side of the coin - the large profits many players enjoy at Rival casinos.

KK

I have given you the stats at the start of the thread and in virtually every other thread so obviously you did miss it.

As for your stats check this out and get back to me.

Check only your returns where bonuses of over 100% have been taken and separate the results by first 25%, 2nd 25%, 3rd 25% and 4th 25% of your play.

If enough people on this forum that I trust (no matter what their views) tell me they have no discrepancy in these results I will be open to alternative view of why I alone have these discrepancies.

Also as a matter of interest let me know what your overall RTP is with no bonus taken and with a bonus of 100% or more.

 

[KasinoKing]

I have given you the stats at the start of the thread and in virtually every other thread so obviously you did miss it.

I've been & looked again, but I'm sorry I still can't see any stats (facts & figures).
Please can you tell me the post # they are in?

As for your stats check this out and get back to me.
Check only your returns where bonuses of over 100% have been taken and separate the results by first 25%, 2nd 25%, 3rd 25% and 4th 25% of your play.
Also as a matter of interest let me know what your overall RTP is with no bonus taken and with a bonus of 100% or more.

Blimey, you're not asking much!
Actually I haven't taken many Rival bonuses at more than 100%, most are exactly 100%.

But OK, yes I will do that for you when you show me your actual play logs.
And by that I mean full details of how much you bet on each & every spin in a session - you know, like I do.

As a matter of fact I've just uploaded a log-blog of a 100% bonus from Sloto in June, have a look!
Link Outdated / Removed

And just for the record, I'm NOT saying I win off every deposit at Rival - far from it.
It's about 50/50 - but so far the profits outweigh the losses.

KK

 

[Rusty]

I've been & looked again, but I'm sorry I still can't see any stats (facts & figures).
Please can you tell me the post # they are in?


Blimey, you're not asking much!
Actually I haven't taken many Rival bonuses at more than 100%, most are exactly 100%.

But OK, yes I will do that for you when you show me your actual play logs.
And by that I mean full details of how much you bet on each & every spin in a session - you know, like I do.

As a matter of fact I've just uploaded a log-blog of a 100% bonus from Sloto in June, have a look!
Link Outdated / Removed

And just for the record, I'm NOT saying I win off every deposit at Rival - far from it.
It's about 50/50 - but so far the profits outweigh the losses.

KK

Suddenly a disconnect - the only One I had and from that moment every slot was completely dead.
My stats from the disconnect onward are about 800 spins with a 40% return until zeroing out.

Give me an easy way to pull the actual playlogs and I will post them.

Had a quick look at your blog and One thing that interests me is that you got a 100% bonus with only 15X WR despite the fact you miraculously win on half your deposits.
I have only ever made One cashout from a Rival and the best I get is 25X D+B.
Seems odd don't you think?

And by that I mean full details of how much you bet on each & every spin in a session - you know, like I do.

You do?
So where are the blogs of all your losing deposits?

What I am really interested in is whether the streaks can be shown to be natural variance and not the overall RTP although if that is over 100% for an individual then they personally would obviously not give a damn.

 

[KasinoKing]

Suddenly a disconnect - the only One I had and from that moment every slot was completely dead.
My stats from the disconnect onward are about 800 spins with a 40% return until zeroing out.

Now you're a figures man, how can you say about 800 spins with a 40% return?
You know as well as I do that the only way to accurately calculate your return is to know exactly how much you've bet and exactly how much you've lost. You don't seem to have those figures, so the 40% can only be a guess.

The other thing you don't mention is which slots you played. Some of them are much higher variance than others. You know what I mean - how many times did I play either Scary Bitch in my blog-log?

Give me an easy way to pull the actual playlogs and I will post them.

I wish I knew an easy way, but I don't.
The only way you can do it (if you don't record it as you go along in a similar way to me), is to cut & paste your history 20 spins at a time... not a thrilling thought.

Had a quick look at your blog and One thing that interests me is that you got a 100% bonus with only 15X WR despite the fact you miraculously win on half your deposits.
I have only ever made One cashout from a Rival and the best I get is 25X D+B.
Seems odd don't you think?

Yes, I was surprised too. I didn't get ANY decent offers from Sloto for about 6-months from October, then suddenly this one appeared - I'm not complaining!
(Just to clarify, it was (D+B)x15 = Bx30 = same as most MGs).
One thing I looked at just before I withdrew was what other offers I had - and there was another 100% to $100 available with WR (D+B)x20.
I checked again today, and it's still there... except it's a PHANTOM bonus. I would have sworn it was cashable before, and I'm kicking myself for not getting a screenshot at the time.

And by that I mean full details of how much you bet on each & every spin in a session - you know, like I do.

You do?
So where are the blogs of all your losing deposits?

OK, here's my whole Sloto log - click on the tabs at the bottom of the page to see the various months.

Nov 08 - $100 deposit + $150 bonus - Bust out
Oct 08 - $125 deposit + $125 bonus - $500 profit
May 08 - $10 birthday free-chip - Cashed out $100
April 08 - $20 free-chip - Cashed-out $80
Mar 08 - $100 deposit + $125 bonus - Bust out. (last $102 mostly blown on Scary Bitch!)
Jan 08 - $100 deposit + $100 bonus - Bust out
Sep 07 - $100 deposit + $100 bonus - $500 profit.

Log is here:-

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

I have screenshots of all the decent sized wins if you want to see those too.
(Sorry about all the rude words!)

If you want any more logs - just ask!
(DaVinci would be good - 7 deposits, NO cash-outs! )

KK

 

[Dinahnana]

Bonus round

This is another thing that irks me about Rival and especially RTG. (sorry im on a moaning week ) With mg when you get a bonus round, not all the time, maybe not even half of the time, but SOME of the time, you pick one of the items, whether it be for free spins or a cash prize or whatever and you actually pick the top award It happens, it does and quite often at at that. Now i ask you all the same of an RTG casino. How many of you here truthfully when winning the bonus on oh i dont know say the warlocks slots actually manage to pick the 100 free spins? or the top prize on any of the other pick em slots? Me? I dont think ive EVER managed to have been awarded the 100 free spins and ive had hundreds of the bonus round out, you would think (even if it is predetermined) that you would be awarded it at least once, but noooo NEVER! MG to me doesnt FEEL pre determined ( it may very well be but if it is they do a damn site beter job of hiding this than RTG OR rival). With These operations it is so blatantly obvious.

Hi Audi, I play mostly RTGs and of course Warlock Spell is one of my favorite games so I play that quite a bit. I have hit the bonus feature countless of times and not once did I get the 100 spins. The most I got was 25 once and all the other times mostly 10 or 8. In the middle of May that game was good to me but since the end of May until now the bonus features suck with very low wins and every time I hit the feature I only get 8 spins or 10 if I am extremely lucky.

I have noticed that I do very well on my first deposit with any RTG casino, the money lasts quite a while. On the subsequent deposits however I bust out really fast. You would think that if it is totally random then you would do well some times and bad at others but it my experience that is not the case.

I have had far more dismal sessions with RTGs then I have had good. It kind of wants to make you quit RTGs which sucks since their slots are really good and those of us who live in the US are limited as to where we can play.
I think this thread is great because maybe somebody from RTG will look and see that some players are becoming dissatisfied. Who knows they may decide to loosen up the slots just a tad. One can hope and dream

 

[Rusty]

Now you're a figures man, how can you say about 800 spins with a 40% return?
You know as well as I do that the only way to accurately calculate your return is to know exactly how much you've bet and exactly how much you've lost. You don't seem to have those figures, so the 40% can only be a guess.

A guestimate but it will be very close.
I flat bet at the time and just counted the pages of logs for spins played
A quick rough calculation of return was made easy by knowing my balance from the start and end point.
The spins wont be more than 20 out and the percentage maybe + or - 5% max. Anyway that is how I can say it.

As you say copying and pasting 20 spins a time would not be a thrilling prospect but I would do it if it allowed you to copy and paste.
Unfortunately it doesn't - another annoyance along with Rivals penchant for kicking you out of viewing your playlogs every 5 minutes.

Pig skin payout was the main culprit I think.
My contention is the variance on these slots is artificial.

You are a Rival affiliate tell them to give you the reel layout of the slots and we can check the natural variance and theoretical return together.
If they won't do that just ask them for a probability table of winning combinations.

Maybe our results are very different like our bonus offers, it would seem so.
I think you have admitted that the software is streaky though.
On a high variance slot winning streaks should be less likely than on a low variance slot and losing streaks more likely than on a low variance slot.



Thanks for the blog links I will check them out sometime.

 

[KasinoKing]

As you say copying and pasting 20 spins a time would not be a thrilling prospect but I would do it if it allowed you to copy and paste.
Unfortunately it doesn't - another annoyance along with Rivals penchant for kicking you out of viewing your playlogs every 5 minutes.

Well I can copy & paste them!
Highlight the log the usual way, then press Ctrl+C - go to your spreadsheet & press Ctrl+V.
Here's my last page from Sloto:-

ID ........... Game ................ Win .Wagered ..... Date
950382560 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:52 AM
950382510 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:49 AM
950382452 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:45 AM
950382400 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:42 AM
950382337 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:38 AM
950382264 Psychedelic Sixties 0.15 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:34 AM
950382201 Psychedelic Sixties 0.30 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:30 AM
950382141 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:26 AM
950382085 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:22 AM
950382012 Psychedelic Sixties 1.30 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:17 AM
950381956 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:14 AM
950381905 Psychedelic Sixties 0.60 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:11 AM
950381839 Psychedelic Sixties 0.15 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:06 AM
950381778 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:03 AM
950381728 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:59 AM
950381681 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:56 AM
950381619 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:52 AM
950381573 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:49 AM
950381511 Psychedelic Sixties 0.40 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:45 AM
950381444 Psychedelic Sixties 0.75 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:40 AM

By the way, the above 20 spins gave a return of 18.25%

You are a Rival affiliate tell them to give you the reel layout of the slots and we can check the natural variance and theoretical return together.
If they won't do that just ask them for a probability table of winning combinations.

You are GROSSLY overestimating the casino/affiliate relationship!
To start with I think it's extremely unlikely that ANY of the Rival casinos have this information themselves - and if they did there's a cat in hells chance they would give this data to anyone else!
Rival (and all other softwares) keep this info very strictly confidential.
I agree with you though - it SHOULD be made public; keeping it secret only fuels people's fears that they have something to hide. (Not mentioning any names! )

Thanks for the blog links I will check them out sometime.

Sometime? Well don't strain yourself!
You asked for them & I went to all the trouble of digging them out & uploading them just for you.

KK

 

[Rusty]

Well I can copy & paste them!
Highlight the log the usual way, then press Ctrl+C - go to your spreadsheet & press Ctrl+V.
Here's my last page from Sloto:-

ID ........... Game ................ Win .Wagered ..... Date
950382560 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:52 AM
950382510 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:49 AM
950382452 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:45 AM
950382400 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:42 AM
950382337 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:38 AM
950382264 Psychedelic Sixties 0.15 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:34 AM
950382201 Psychedelic Sixties 0.30 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:30 AM
950382141 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:26 AM
950382085 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:22 AM
950382012 Psychedelic Sixties 1.30 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:17 AM
950381956 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:14 AM
950381905 Psychedelic Sixties 0.60 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:11 AM
950381839 Psychedelic Sixties 0.15 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:06 AM
950381778 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:27:03 AM
950381728 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:59 AM
950381681 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:56 AM
950381619 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:52 AM
950381573 Psychedelic Sixties 0.00 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:49 AM
950381511 Psychedelic Sixties 0.40 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:45 AM
950381444 Psychedelic Sixties 0.75 1.00 Jul 12, 08:26:40 AM

By the way, the above 20 spins gave a return of 18.25%

OK I didn't bother trying shortcut keyboard but as you say it works so with much effort I have produced the log that you are so keen to see.



You are GROSSLY overestimating the casino/affiliate relationship!
To start with I think it's extremely unlikely that ANY of the Rival casinos have this information themselves - and if they did there's a cat in hells chance they would give this data to anyone else!

I am talking about Rival who supply the software not the Casinos.

Rival (and all other softwares) keep this info very strictly confidential.
I agree with you though - it SHOULD be made public; keeping it secret only fuels people's fears that they have something to hide. (Not mentioning any names! )

Yes, makes you wonder why they keep it so secret then doesn't it?
Perhaps you are viewing this back to front?


Sometime? Well don't strain yourself!
You asked for them & I went to all the trouble of digging them out & uploading them just for you.

No I didn't.
I just asked you, if you if you posted all your logs where are the losing sessions?
I would of been happy with your word that you post them.
On the other hand you have invited yourself to this thread and demanded to see my logs despite me giving you the stats.
Even so I was still kind enough to thank you. Did you miss that?
Don't play the martyr KK it doesn't become you.

KK

Here are the 800 spins of doom.

 

[Rusty]

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Comic quest 35.8%
Foreskin payout 43.7%
Baby Bummer 25.9%
Hole in head 39.32%

Bonus rounds 2
Bonus pay1 = Zero
Bonus pay2 = X20 bet

Total Games 800
Total wager 271.80
Total return 104.60 (38.5%)
Bonus return 07.20 (2.6%)

Dead spins 632 of 755 (84%)

My overall RTP for the deposit will not be so bad because I hit a nice win early on.
The problem is that my last few deposits with a bonus at Rival have had very similar anomalous results.
I have posted some of them.
Great start when still high WR then this BS until zero out.

You say it is natural variance repeating the same coincidental pattern.
I say it is strong evidence of dynamic weighting.
Ultimately people will either play there or not according to their own experiences no matter what we say but at least our contrasting views are out there along with the evidence.
Those who are undecided will see which of our experiences most closely match up to their own.

 

[chuchu59]

Hmmm,

This isnt good. I also had poor results for Cosmic Quest and Pigskin Payout but Baby Boomers and Hole in one normally dont pay so low so maybe you are on to something when different slots go dead in a batch. However, I wont hope you will deposit just to test your theory at the same slots again

By the way, of the 4 slots, three are i-slots which I do play but not frequently. Hopefully, you will have better luck at the others.

 

[Rusty]

Hmmm,

This isnt good. I also had poor results for Cosmic Quest and Pigskin Payout but Baby Boomers and Hole in one normally dont pay so low so maybe you are on to something when different slots go dead in a batch. However, I wont hope you will deposit just to test your theory at the same slots again

By the way, of the 4 slots, three are i-slots which I do play but not frequently. Hopefully, you will have better luck at the others.

The thing is ChuChu I understand the general assumption is that I slots are high variance and you may well be right that it would be better to play other slots but I have found that I slots can play like low variance too.
I mean you can hit lots of little wins and bonus rounds just like other slots.
Cosmic Quest for example played like this earlier in the session.
When the bonus rounds dry up though so do the wins and all I seem to get is a stream of dead spins no matter which slot.

Obvious not hitting bonus rounds will lessen returns anyway but there seems to be a correlation between bonus round frequency and winning combination frequency. That should not be.

In retrospect the thread title is a little harsh because corrupt is such a strong word to use.
I honestly can not know if more people win at MGS or RTG or even that these software do not use weighting in a similar manner.

I am certain though that the streaks are not the result of natural variance and that gives me the misgiving as to whether the software can be fair.