Comments Welcome Ridiculous Wagering Requirements

[brianmon]

Just received this from Ikibu...

90xB WR What are these promotions people on??

I know the bonus rules for UK players have changed, and some members are saying that it's just the casinos covering themselves because of those changes.

But what about the likes of LeoVegas, Betat, SlottyVegas, MrGreen, to name but a few
They have always had this 'new' bonus structure?
They've survived for years with a reasonable 30xB - 40xB WR, and no max win clauses, and AFAIK haven't made any increases or changes, since the new rules

 

[dionysus]

a 90x is huge...but a max win on top of it?
next

 

[theapple]

im very surprised to see such a bonus coming from Ikibu.

Their welcome bonus for UK players was much better, with wagering of just 30x (d+b) and maximum cashout of... wait for it... 3x deposit.

seriously, just vote with your wallet and dont play there I avoid places with similar wagering req because if we keep on depositing despite their ridiculous bonus terms it could make them think they are doing something good.

And as long as there is no shortage of casinos to play at, with better bonus terms, i will play elsewhere.

 

[dionysus]

im very surprised to see such a bonus coming from Ikibu.

Their welcome bonus for UK players was much better, with wagering of just 30x (d+b) and maximum cashout of... wait for it... 3x deposit.

seriously, just dont play there

if i have to grind WR AND have a WD cap, I aint touching them

 

[theapple]

if i have to grind WR AND have a WD cap, I aint touching them

i dont like max cashout because, lets face it, we dont win big often. Some of us never win big To have that one elusive big win erased because i took a bonus at a place like this one, that would pretty much make me stop playing online for good

 

[goatwack]

So...£450 wagering on a bare-bones £5 bonus?

Seems reasonable and fair.

For the casino

 

[dionysus]

I like my straight forward bonuses
Here's your WR
Here's your very short, easily understood restricted games (if any) and max bet
What you win, you keep

 

[goatwack]

Yeah what happened to those days, how'd we end up here?

Used to be straight-up deposit matches up to say 50, NO restricted games, no cashout limits.

Can't tell me there weren't advantage players back then, or that casinos couldn't spot them. Or despite those still edge a profit.....

What I'm seeing now is shameless greed by the casinos, nothing more. ******s.

 

[Tirilej]

Ahh...Ikibu - the casino I love to hate

Who have all these strange bonus rules, and where I can't understand why anyone would play.

 

[Boris85]

Come on guys - I thought you would have got used to it by now !!!

No bonus - no hassle! Simples !

 

[Jono777]

Don't forget, on top of your 90x B, you can only play Starburst and Berry Burst, given their ever growing list of excluded games, which include just about everyone's favourites!

 

[dionysus]

Come on guys - I thought you would have got used to it by now !!!

No bonus - no hassle! Simples !

well, I take regular bonuses because some casinos DO offer hassle-free Ts and Cs

 

[Tirilej]

Come on guys - I thought you would have got used to it by now !!!

No bonus - no hassle! Simples !

True, and I play like that.

That doesn't mean I accept or think it's fine that some casinos have rules and traps just to prevent people from winning.
Some still like their bonus play so that mean we have to look out for them, and try to help if we can.

 

[Jono777]

Yeah there are a few about still....just!

LV, 35xB and it tells you when a game is cash only play, downside being WR doesn't start until until bonus funds (same with BetAt??)

Caddell, 35xB, can play most if not all games (SUB is 35xD+B!! but still doable)

Guts reloads used to be ok, don't play there since change in management thought so unsure if changed

32 Red, ok MG only but still after all these years just 30xB, no games restricted or max bet (Excl. SUB.)

 

[dionysus]

Guts reloads used to be ok, don't play there since change in management thought so unsure if changed
)

Still pretty straightforward..play whatever
slots 100% contribution
other areas, different contributions
3 restricted games

 

[Boris85]

well, I take regular bonuses because some casinos DO offer hassle-free Ts and Cs

I wouldn’t call them “hassle-free” Ts and Cs but only more fair.

My point is - Are you keeping a record of how many times you have managed to meet the wagering reqs and make a successful withdrawal ?

Because I do and it’s not a good record ...

 

[dionysus]

I wouldn’t call them “hassle-free” Ts and Cs but only more fair.

My point is - Are you keeping a record of how many times you have managed to meet the wagering reqs and make a successful withdrawal ?

Because I do and it’s not a good record ...

well, dont bet over 5 bucks and dont play these 3 clearly listed games falls under hassle free for me
and ya, im up overall taking bonuses past 2 years.

 

[theapple]

Still pretty straightforward..play whatever
slots 100% contribution
other areas, different contributions
3 restricted games

ikibu seems to be pretty competitive when it comes to terms though. Not quite as good as Guts or 32red but usually they only have 30x (d+b), max cashout and a tiny list of restricted games to spice things up.

• The following games are restricted until wager requirements have been met :
• 
  
• Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Lucky Angler, Aliens, Eye of Kraken, Holly Jolly Penguins, Big Bang, The Wish Master, Devil’s Delight, Robin Hood, Tomb Raider 2, Tornado: Farm Escape, 1429 Uncharted Seas, Jackpot Jester 6000, Jackpot Jester Wild Nudge, Super Monopoly Money, Thunderstruck I, Kings of Chicago, Tower Quest, Vikings Go Berzerk, Joker Millions, Holmes and the Stolen Stones, Seasons, Alchymedes, Double Dragons, Seasons, Legend of the White Snake Lady, Nirvana, Castle Builder II, Immortal Romance, 300 Shields (NYX Gaming), Jurassic Park, Football star, Big Bad Wolf (Microgaming), Dragon Born, Vikings go Wild, Gold, White Rabbit, Jungle Spirit: Call of the Wild, Ozwin’s Jackpots, Break da Bank, Break Da Bank Again and Dwarfs Gone Wild.
• 
  
• The following games only contribute 50% towards the wager requirements:
• 
  
• Piggy Riches, Zombies, Jack Hammer 2, Steam Tower, Muse: Wild inspiration, Victorious, Ghost Pirates, High Society, Flowers, Flowers Christmas Edition, Twin Spin, Twin Spin Deluxe, Bloodsuckers, Bloodsuckers II and Spiña Colada, Dead or Alive, Dead or Alive Touch, Reel Rush, Bonanza, Danger! High Voltage, Queen of Riches, Star Quest, Energoonz, Extra Chilli & Reactoonz.

it looks like they simply added most, if not all of the most played/famous slots to the list

EDIT:
wagering is not 30x (d+b) anymore. Its 50x now glad to see they are improving

Unless otherwise informed in the applicable conditions, all match/reload bonuses have a wagering requirement of 50 times the total amount (deposit + bonus)

 

[dionysus]

yeah, when restricted slots read like a year's long grocery list, i pass

 

[goatwack]

Imagine wagering for ages on what is not only a restricted game, but no longer exists! As with Aliens

 

[Boris85]

well, dont bet over 5 bucks and dont play these 3 clearly listed games falls under hassle free for me
and ya, im up overall taking bonuses past 2 years.

2 years up taking bonuses ! Lucky you then ! Might get rich soon by the sounds of it !

 

[Jono777]

The poor Ikibu rep tried to do us a CM exclusive and was torn apart for that ridiculous list, I mean IR and Jurassic Park, two of MG's most successful money guzzlers to date, c'mon

Not seen the rep since lol

 

[theapple]

Imagine wagering for ages on what is not only a restricted game, but no longer exists! As with Aliens

Oh everyone still has Aliens, and since casinos apparently copy each other lists Aliens are there to stay. Forever. Im actually surprised to see there is no The Dark Knight Rises, which is still on like 90% of the lists too

 

[Jono777]

2 years up taking bonuses ! Lucky you then ! Might get rich soon by the sounds of it !

14 here

Losing kicked in when I was bb'ed pretty much everywhere, reason being already mentioned in this post.

 

[dionysus]

2 years up taking bonuses ! Lucky you then ! Might get rich soon by the sounds of it !

lol, i wish, however i dont bet large enough and take my money and run at 1k

 

[goatwack]

So casinos are hosting illegal Aliens now??

Wait 'til The Guardian hear about this!

 

[Boris85]

Losing kicked in when I was bb'ed pretty much everywhere, reason being already mentioned in this post.[/QUOTE]

Agreed but..... it’s a big “BUT” - Depends how much you’re aiming for !

 

[Jono777]

Losing kicked in when I was bb'ed pretty much everywhere, reason being already mentioned in this post.

Agreed but..... it’s a big “BUT” - Depends how much you’re aiming for ![/QUOTE]

Never greedy but my 'tactic' is too much to go into here really.

Long story short, small bets, change game regular, 5x deposit, pull 50% out, rinse/repeat

 

[zreb]

Losing kicked in when I was bb'ed pretty much everywhere, reason being already mentioned in this post.

Agreed but..... it’s a big “BUT” - Depends how much you’re aiming for !

Never greedy but my 'tactic' is too much to go into here really.

Long story short, small bets, change game regular, 5x deposit, pull 50% out, rinse/repeat

Constantly change games? Must be a bonus abuser.
Play the same game too much? Must be a bonus abuser.
Make bets that are too small? Must be a bonus abuser.
Make bets that are too big? Must be a bonus abuser.
Cash out after a small win? Must be a bonus abuser.
Play for a big win? Must be a bonus abuser.

I'm pretty sure there's no rational process behind half the bonus rules casinos make, it's just "somebody won once playing this game somewhere and so now all casinos ban this behavior."

Banning a game like immortal romance makes absolutely no sense, unless your goal is to intentionally catch people making an error and decide afterwards whether or not to confiscate all the winnings. I'm sure many other games on the list are just as silly.

As I've commented elsewhere on here before, casinos constantly ban games like roulette and craps even though there's no need to when there's max bet rules and they only count like 10% for wagering - but casinos keep those rules on the books for years and years anyway. Because people used those games to win against bonuses in like 2006.

You'd think with the amount of money some of these casinos churn through they could afford to pay someone who understands how these games work, why certain rules are there, and why some rules are completely unnecessary. But no, it's just "wait until someone wins big and then overreact."

 

[SpinUk]

This is not a shill post I 100% promise you, but I stumbled upon Royalslots the other day.

It was like going back 5 years.

UKGC licensed, decent providers with the usual suspects, Reasonable wagering of 40xB only, no win cap, tiny game limitations for bonus games (Pearls of India, Wishmaster etc), staggered bonuses sequently on the first 4 deposits 100%/50%/25%/25%. Early withdrawal in cash territory allowed with no amalgamation to bonus.

If they can do it and (presumably) remain profitable then why can’t others?

 

[anddi32]

Welcome bonus WR 50x d+ b and max. cashout 6x deposit amount. wtf? What has happened to Ikibu monkey? Seriously those terms are just because new players. And casino knows they will get easy money because there is a lot of newbie players who just don't understand to read t&c.
And this place is listed as "accredited casino" here?

You CM really should check this title again.

 

[goatwack]

Some of these casinos will have you believe that they're going through hardship, are making no money and are surviving through our charitable donations

Then say they're only in it for the love of the industry, most probably

 

[SpinUk]

Welcome bonus WR 50x d+ b and max. cashout 6x deposit amount. wtf? What has happened to Ikibu monkey? Seriously those terms are just because new players. And casino knows they will get easy money because there is a lot of newbie players who just don't understand to read t&c.
And this place is listed as "accredited casino" here?

You CM really should check this title again.

The 6x deposit win cap literally makes it pointless playing there with a bonus. And if that's the case, why reward them with cash deposits. No thanks.

 

[Tirilej]

The 6x deposit win cap literally makes it pointless playing there with a bonus. And if that's the case, why reward them with cash deposits. No thanks.

No, I think uk have 3x max cashout, but if you don't touch the bonus you can cash out whenever you want as usual. The rest of us in the world have to make the wagering so we can cash out the double. Wow

 

[merlinslair]

Lol yes I as.the same one oviously not taken but they seem to be on another planet

 

[Nate]

So casinos are hosting illegal Aliens now??

Wait 'til The Guardian hear about this!

Once the Guardian get hold of it and alert the UKGC, you will now be requested to provide a statement of bond repayments or building plans as proof of address...

Those damn Aliens.

Nate

 

[nikantw]

I think the regulated markets ask each casino to pay 1m - 200m per country per year.
That wasn't the case 10 years ago. One way or the other, players pay for this.

 

[lockinlove]

I hope this isnt the way the industry is heading again. Getting more and more greedy. There have been alot of new casinos coming out now with wager being 40x deposit and 40x bonus.

Casinomax
caddell 35x+35x on the welcome atleast not after
viral interactive casinos

I mean 40x wager is pretty high. 50x is just too high. Now all these casinos going 60x and above and now 80x? Man oh man.

Im also starting to see alot of max cashout of 10x the bonus and 1k max cashouts being released too.

 

[SpinUk]

I hope this isnt the way the industry is heading again. Getting more and more greedy. There have been alot of new casinos coming out now with wager being 40x deposit and 40x bonus.

Casinomax
caddell 35x+35x on the welcome atleast not after
viral interactive casinos

I mean 40x wager is pretty high. 50x is just too high. Now all these casinos going 60x and above and now 80x? Man oh man.

Im also starting to see alot of max cashout of 10x the bonus and 1k max cashouts being released too.

The win cap is the most worrying. And we see so-called player friendly affiliates here still promoting these casinos “oh but its a second chance bonus”.

Fine - Imagine playing a high variance slot, losing 1000x or so stake in the process of multiple sessions and then hitting a big win when you have just gone into bonus territory. Which will inevitably happen sooner or later. No thanks.

 

[goatwack]

It makes me cringe how anyone could endorse severely-capped bonuses with a straight face

 

[lockinlove]

The win cap is the most worrying. And we see so-called player friendly affiliates here still promoting these casinos “oh but its a second chance bonus”.

Fine - Imagine playing a high variance slot, losing 1000x or so stake in the process of multiple sessions and then hitting a big win when you have just gone into bonus territory. Which will inevitably happen sooner or later. No thanks.

Yep some of them promote max 5x cashouts. Progressplay brands. Terrible to see that.

 

[pinnit2014]

Best I have seen is Viks’ x2?

Anyone have a x1 max cash out?

 

[goatwack]

I await the day of beating 65x wagering not for 2x cashouts, not even 1x.....

..but to have your winnings converted into virtual coins to spend on demo slots!

Maybe buy some avatars with different outfits & customization too

 

[SpinUk]

Yep some of them promote max 5x cashouts. Progressplay brands. Terrible to see that.

For me - I would rather play straight cash than risk a max 5x cashout if I hit big. Some people have no scruples when it comes to money.

 

[brianmon]

Just received this from Ikibu...


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90xB WR What are these promotions people on??

I know the bonus rules for UK players have changed, and some members are saying that it's just the casinos covering themselves because of those changes.

But what about the likes of LeoVegas, Betat, SlottyVegas, MrGreen, to name but a few
They have always had this 'new' bonus structure?
They've survived for years with a reasonable 30xB - 40xB WR, and no max win clauses, and AFAIK haven't made any increases or changes, since the new rules

So far, I've had the same text message EVERY DAY since Saturday. So they must be pretty desperate for business

 

[Slottery]

I know the bonus rules for UK players have changed, and some members are saying that it's just the casinos covering themselves because of those changes.

That's BS excuse, these "non-sticky" or "2nd chance" bonuses are actually cheaper for casinos than these where deposit is attached to bonus until wagered. This way how bonus rules are now, if player manage to win with own money and forfeit bonus, casino don't have a dime of bonus costs but player have played only with own money like whole bonus wouldn't be existing. That's fact and and very poor as excuse if any casino is explaining bigger WR:s with that.

 

[snorky510238]

So far, I've had the same text message EVERY DAY since Saturday. So they must be pretty desperate for business

Yeah me too. I also had another email from a casino I used to play at regularly until lately. Their standard offer was always min deposit £20 and 50% bonus wagering x35. Now it’s min deposit of £50 with 25 free spins at 75x wager and 25% bonus at x90 wager. It just shows how things are changing quickly and not for the better as far as players are concerned. It’s almost impossible to find a bonus worth taking nowadays. With the increased tax coming along aswell casinos are going to tighten up even further. The future is not orange.

 

[Slottery]

If i can guess, these might be some smaller casinos or casinos who are not doing very well as these kind of offers sounds desperate.... Many casinos still are offering decent reload bonuses without crazy WR and restricted games..... And as in earlier post, if any casino try to explain that these "non-sticky" bonuses cause that terms have to be more strict is giving very BS answer just to cover that casino just want to make it nearly impossible to get decent wins with their bonuses.