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Betat's Ridiculous Wagering Requirements

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by brianmon, Feb 18, 2015.

    Feb 18, 2015
  1. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    I made a deposit of £50 today at Betat, and as there was an offer of an extra 25% for E-wallet deposits. So I thought I might as well take that too.

    I'd glanced at the T&C and saw it was 20xD+B and never thought anything of it. I was only when I started playing I realised that 20xD+B on a 25% bonus is actually 100xB !!!!

    I know you can withdraw if you don't touch the bonus money. But you can also do that at many other sites without such huge WR.
    I mean 20xD+B on 100% bonus, fair enough. BUT £1250 WR for a £12.50 bonus is a bit ridiculous.

    Anyways, I ended up losing my deposit and started on the bonus money. Luckily I got a 425x bonus round on DOA which game me a decent start at tackling the WR. so switched to some other games. I peaked at around £250, and by the time I'd reached about 80% I had a balance of around £200.

    Then, as always seems to happen at Betat, the slots go stone cold for the last 20% of WR. So after 515 spins on TSII, without a bonus round, only one decent hit, which coincidentally happened early on in the session, I cleared the WR and ended up with a balance £61.25. £1.25 less than my starting balance.:eek::eek:

    Betat's Ridiculous Wagering Requirements: ScreenHunter_132 Feb. 18 20.28.jpg,Feb 18, 2015

    So, since I, at least, got my deposit back, and Betat are one of my favourite sites. I'm not complaining about losing. Just the amount of effort necessary for such a small bonus amount, and how that last 20% of WR nearly always sucks your balance dry
     
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  2. Feb 19, 2015
  3. wobble33

    wobble33 Senior Member

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    good job you don't play the daily bonus then @ w hills. its 15x deposit and bonus wr on a 20% bonus. and no early cash out, and % on certain games only counting towards the wr..
    so althought that's very high @ betat. they aint the only disgusting wrs these days...here are their terms @ hills..

    How to claim your Monthly Loyalty Bonus:

    1.Enter William Hill Casino.
    2.Go into the Casino cashier and make a deposit/transfer into your account. The bonus you receive will depend on your deposit amount, see the table below:
    Monthly Loyalty Bonus Minimum Deposit/ Transfer Maximum Bonus Wagering Requirements
    20% up to £175 per deposit £35 per deposit £175 per deposit In order to claim your winnings, you must wager at least x15 your deposit and bonus amount (minimum wagering requirement). Note: certain games such as Blackjack and Roulette have additional wagering requirements above the minimum, click here for details.

    3. Your Monthly Loyalty Bonus will then be credited to your Casino account - instantly!

    For the benefit of the player, any amount deposited above the maximum amount on which a bonus is awarded will not be subject to any wagering requirement prior to withdrawal.

    The Monthly Loyalty Bonus is only paid when your account balance is at zero.

    The Monthly Loyalty Bonus is only paid up to 1 time a day and up to 5 times a week, to a maximum of £3,500 per calendar month.


    The Monthly Loyalty Bonus will only be issued once per deposit, person, family, household, address (postal or IP), email address, any environment where computers are shared (eg schools, workplaces, public libraries etc), computer (or other access device), and/or account.

    If you make a withdrawal or a transfer before having reached the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void.

    The casino will not award bonuses to a player who has a pending withdrawal on their account.



    Wagering Requirements:

    Stakes from all games in the William Hill Casino will count towards the qualifying criteria however certain games, including Roulette and Blackjack, have lower weighting than others. This is detailed below:


    Game Category Stake % Contribution
    Slots (all varieties) 100%
    Scratch Cards 100%
    Pai Gow (all varieties), Red Dog, Let It Ride 25%
    Casino Hold'em (all varieties) 25%
    Roulette (all varieties including Wild Vikings) 25%
    Baccarat (all varieties) 20%
    Blackjack (all varieties excluding Blackjack Switch, Pontoon, Blackjack Multihand 5 , Blackjack Surrender , Perfect Blackjack Multihand 5) 20%
    Stravaganza 20%
    Craps (all varieties), Sic Bo (all varieties) 20%
    Video Poker (all varieties) 20%
    Multi-spin video slots 20%
    Blackjack Switch , Pontoon (all varieties) 5%

    Blackjack Multihand 5 5%

    Blackjack Surrender 5%

    Perfect Blackjack Multihand 5 5%

    All double options on slots & Video Poker (all varieties) 0%
    All other games 100%


    Examples:

    A bet of £100 in Roulette will be calculated as £25 for wagering requirements.

    A bet of £100 in Blackjack will be calculated as £20 for wagering requirements.

    William Hill Casino has found it necessary to exclude some players from receiving bonuses and define these as 'exceptional groups', as listed below.

    •Players depositing with £ and who are not from the United Kingdom, Gibraltar or Isle of Man.
    •Players depositing with US$/€/C$ and who are from the United Kingdom or Isle of Man.
    •Players depositing with € who are from Canada.
    •Players who are from the following countries - South Korea, China, Macau or Brazil - regardless of the currency the player chooses to use in their casino account.
    Other Currencies

    For $US, $CA, AUD, CHF and € all deposit amounts and bonuses are as for £ with the following exceptions -

    •Monthly Loyalty Bonus.
    Minimum deposit amount is $US50 / $CA60 / €40 / 50 AUD / 50 CHF

    Maximum bonus amount per deposit is $US300 / $CA300 / €200 / 300 AUD / 300 CHF

    Maximum bonus amount per month is $US6,000 / $CA6,000 / €4,000 / 6,000 AUD / 6,000 CHF

    In order to claim your winnings, you must wager at least x15 your deposit and bonus amount (minimum wagering requirement).

    General Terms and Conditions (applicable to all bonuses)

    Any bonus issued is valid for a period of 30 days from the date of issue unless otherwise stated in the specific promotion. Any remaining/unused bonus and pending winnings at the end of the stated period will be removed from the player's account.

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    Bonuses are awarded to enhance your enjoyment of our games however we reserve the right to govern how bonuses are used before a player is allowed to cash them in. As such we deem it necessary to restrict certain types of wagering from contributing to the wagering/turn requirements. Any minimal risk wagering will not be allowed to contribute towards bonus wagering requirements. Players deemed to be using minimal risk wagering tactics to redeem their bonuses or cash prizes risk having their bonuses, cash prizes and any subsequent winnings removed.

    The bonus will only be issued once per deposit, person, family, household, address (postal or IP), email address, any environment where computers are shared (eg schools, workplaces, public libraries etc), computer (or other access device), and/or account.

    Wagering requirements for bonuses will apply to an account from the time a bonus is accepted and/or applied to an account.

    The casino has the right to refuse or withhold a bonus or winnings in the event of funds being cancelled or denied by any payment service.

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    also energy casino I notice are just as bad. reloads 50 % on deposit and bonus making it a x70 bonus wr. getting very sneaky with these offers lately. bgo casino getting the same to with 50% bonus and deposit and bonus wr.
    I think we need to be taking 100% bonuses only. or no bonus at all now.
     
  4. Feb 19, 2015
  5. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

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    IT Manager
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    Florida, USA
    I fail to see what your complaining about here. You lost your initial deposit of 50. If it were not for that 25 % bonus money you would have left with nothing. Instead you got a lot more play time and ended up making the wagering with 61.25 balance giving you a profit of 11.25.

    If your unhappy with the bonus maybe you should just give the 61.25 back and ask for your 50 deposit back instead. I think they have a clause about refunding your money if your not legitimately pleased with the service :cool:
     
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  6. Feb 19, 2015
  7. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    I did say I wasn't complaining.

    I was pointing out the huge WR of 100xB on such a small bonus of 25%. Which is almost disguised by quoting it as 20xD+B which looks reasonable at first glance.

    Many people won't bother to work out that 20xD+B on a 25% bonus is actually 100xB

    If I was complaining, I'd be complaining that I'd have completed the WR and cashed out £200-£250 had I been playing elsewhere, or had Betat's WR been more reasonable.
     
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  8. Feb 19, 2015
  9. mcgameboy

    mcgameboy Screenieholic & Essayist mm2

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    But they SHOULD bother to work it out. Then at least they can make a more well-informed decision as to whether this bonus is worth taking.

    Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you say in your OP....."I'd glanced at the T&C and saw it was 20xD+B and never thought anything of it. I was only when I started playing I realised that 20xD+B on a 25% bonus is actually 100xB !!!!"

    So basically you just admitted that you couldn't be arsed doing a bit of basic math that would have taken less than a minute to tell you "hmm maybe this isn't such a good bonus to take after all". Were you that eager to start playing? Come on mate, you're not a novice.

    And I'm sorry to say this, but if you (or anyone else) is gonna start a thread with the title "Betat's Ridiculous Wagering Requirements", then I think people ought to be forgiven for thinking it sounds like a complaint or a criticism. It certainly isn't a compliment.

    The really bad thing is....this isn't even a case of DRATT (didn't read all the terms). But it is more like a case of DDAMIT...

    Didn't
    Do
    Any
    Math
    In
    Time
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2015
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  10. Feb 19, 2015
  11. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

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    Fair enough. I was focused on your words at the end about losing when in fact you came out ahead and not about the bonus so much.

    I do believe that 20X D+B is fairly standard and reasonable. I've certainly seen a lot worse. Calling it 100xB is a bit unfair IMO. You could just as easily manipulate the math and call it 25xD.
    I do agree this is not a bonus that I would have taken. It worked out for you this time.
     
  12. Feb 19, 2015
  13. psychogene

    psychogene Senior Member

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    It seems to be the trend now to have promotions like 'get 50% bonus' or something to that effect and then in the fine prints of the T&C list the wagering requirement as x25 the deposit+bonus or x50 the bonus. On top of that some sites have a list of demands that you have to keep to such as 'this game only counts as 25% towards wagering' and 'you cannot bet above 20% of your bonus' etc etc. I feel some sites deliberately make the terms hard to understand because it will definitely benefit the casino that people don't even read them so they can catch them out when a rule is broken.

    Bonuses are obviously there to get you to 'shop' at the place. I personally don't think they help me much, I've taken enough bonuses in the past to realize that its better to be able to cash out when you want and if you were going to win on a bonus you were probably going to win anyway without a bonus with the added benefit of not having to deal with WR. As a low roller its just not worth it in my opinion - getting something like $15 in bonus with WR of 35 amounts to $525 and at 0.30p a spin thats about 1750 spins in total. Means you could stay 0.30p and do all 1750 spins riding out a hot streak or up your bet to whatever is the max allowed and ride your luck on a short rollercoaster. Either way you would most likely have won without a bonus.

    In an ideal world if someone takes a bonus there should be a follow up prompt listing in clear terms what the bonus is, how much you have to wager, max bet allowed and which games are allowed. In an even more ideal world there would be max bet protection limit + an option to grey out any games that don't contribute to wagering requirement of 100%, messages to let player know when they have cleared for example 50% of WR (which a player can set themselves), statistics to let player know by average bet size and spins per hour an estimate of when WR will be cleared in that session and something like 'accept the bonus terms' checkbox before taking the bonus where each option can be set to player preference. Thats my ideal situation but we all know its not going to happen for obvious reasons hehe.
     
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  14. Feb 19, 2015
  15. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    As far as I remember, it's the same 20xD+B for all their bonuses, and as I often take a 50%, I didn't stop to analyse it properly, when it's so familiar.
    20xD+B on a 50% bonus would be, a not unreasonable 60xB

    The point is that a small 25% bonus is 100xB and a larger 50% bonus is only 60xB
    Even their cashback and freespin winnings are only 15x -20x
     
  16. Feb 19, 2015
  17. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Edmonton Canada
    If people don't want to be bothered to work out the wagering requirements, they probably shouldn't be taking bonuses. I'm seeing a LOT more D+B wagering recently for amounts as small as 10%.
     
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  18. Feb 19, 2015
  19. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Its the same with many places these days.

    One of the reasons I never touch Ladbrokes bonuses as they keep offering stupid things like deposit £20 and get 10% or 20% or 50% extra. All with the 20x deposit and bonus. I told them several times that customers are not complete mugs but obviously some are since they keep offering it.

    10% bonus on £20 is £2 with wagering of £440. But like its been pointed out here many people never bother to actually check and understand just how much wagering there is on such a small bonus.
     
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  20. Feb 19, 2015
  21. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Breathing
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    Sweden
    The worst I know is probably those from many RTG's.

    Grande Vegas are sometimes offering free spins, but you only get them if you deposit minimum $50 with a 25% bonus.
    The wagering is 35xd+b.

    The free spins then also have 60x wagering and a small max cashout.

    I'm sure there are people who takes the bonus just to get those free spins and have no clue what they are doing :rolleyes:


    The title of this thread is so wrong since Betat lets you cash out before you have touched the bonus. That means the bonus definately are not ridiculous and the OP could have cashed out long before he touched it.
     
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  22. Feb 19, 2015
  23. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Betat is actually mimicking what RTG casinos have done over the years ie wagering is calculated on a (b+d) basis. For a small % bonus the wagering is always going to be outrageous. Frankly what has the deposit amount got to do with it? In an extreme case if there was to be a 1% bonus the wagering would be really ridiculous as essentially its a wagering requirement on a deposit. At Betat, things get worse because of the % contribution for certain slots. Your WRs are doubled if the contribution is say 50% and quadrupled if contribution is set at 25%. Needless to say, my cashouts are usually done before meeting wagering in full. However, their games have been pretty kind to me so far and I dont feel their RTP is low.
     
  24. Feb 19, 2015
  25. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    I would tend to agree that the Wagering is HIGH however,

    You can cash out at any time when Bonus funds have not yet been used. I see their Deposit Bonuses as a 'Second Chance'. I have been able to cash out early in the past so I actually like the bonus structure.

    The only other places I know of who offer this type of opportunity is Mr. Green, Vera John and LeoVegas. The difference with these 3 and Betat is that wagering does not commence from the onset, it only commences once you hit bonus funds.

    Nate
     
  26. Feb 19, 2015
  27. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Oops, I have to quote my own post here and say that I was wrong:oops:
    The OP couldn't cash out early since he didn't won until using the bonusmoney. Sorry for that.

    I still don't think it's ridiculous to get a second chance, even if the wagering is horrible :)
     
  28. Feb 19, 2015
  29. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I agree this bonus is rather harsh in terms of WR. Then again should you achieve their monthly 5k turnover for £100 bonus it's only 15xB for a cash-out, an EV+ scenario.
    The issue for me is the small 25% proportion. As Nate says it's a 'get out chance' should your deposit bust, but unless you deposit £100 or more the amount to play with once deposit funds are bust is hardly big enough to warrant an effective 100x WR.
    The OP got very lucky though. :)
     
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  30. Feb 19, 2015
  31. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    I must agree with some of the OP.

    As much as I love and trust BetAt I too went straight to live help last Wednesday over the e-wallet 25% bonus wagering requirement.

    I do recall using the word 'ridiculous' during this chat which for £5 free on a deposit of £20 I think it is.

    £1000 wagering on 100% days is the standard which I have come across in the past at BetAt is fair (D+Bx25)

    To me this is the only thing that is a small negative for an otherwise 'perfect' site
     
  32. Feb 19, 2015
  33. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    I think alot of people is missing the point, The bonus is basicly free money,

    If you put a 100 in and have a win than good, if you lose it than its gone, But even a 25% bonus which would be 25 on a 100 deposit, Yes fair enough it does come with a wager but it cost you nothing, As you can withdraw from balance any time as long as you not dipped into bonus,

    lets say I stuck some money in with no bonus and won I can take out straight away, But if I did take a bonus than you can still take out, if you do lose all your deposit than there is the bonus siting there, Yes with a wager attached but its better than 0 balance,

    Admit that sticking a wager on d&b is out of order but in this instance it does not make a blind bit of difference,

    sites do have wager only on bonus but you cannot withdraw until wager is met
     
  34. Feb 20, 2015
  35. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

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    I hardly opt for any bonuses due to such high WRs....

    IMO WR should always be a multiple of the bonus amount only, even if it's like 50xB or 100xB at least it's so simple for the player to instantly know what they would be looking at in terms of wagering
     
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  36. Feb 20, 2015
  37. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    Yeah, it's 'Free Money'. But the lower the amount given, the higher the WR !!

    25% = 100x WR. But 50% = 60x WR

    especially when cashback and free spins are only 15x - 20x WR
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2015

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