Nifty29
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- Joined
- Jun 20, 2001
However lesser organisations like the ones I stated do,like the Health Lottery and the Gambling Association.
If these state more than the Gamblers Aware-the one which most websites state on their website,then what is the point in stating it at all?
Would you not expect Gamblers Aware to be at least be six months?
Tell you what,lets invite some top,accredited casinos here to say what they appear to be "self exclusion" in terms of minimum months/years.
PS the op NEVER asked for a reason for the self exclusion nor did tirilej know if he/she did-even tirilej said he/she closed his/her account-which he/she didn't at all in any such words,he permanently excluded himself,which upon actual research of the words,as you will know is completely different,so if you're savvy enough to run a casino you should be savvy enough to know when there's an issue if someone asks for a self exclusion without a reason.
I never missed tirilej's point at all-there was a reason for the reply.
On the flip side,for the sake of logic,I will agree that however hard it is for us to prove the last casino did or didn't know of his exclusion from winners casino,its equally as hard to prove he didn't look for a casino associated with winners to try his luck as an excluded player-obviously it would be a win-win situation.
Lose-he shouts "I'm excluded",he wins-he has a chance of being paid.
I'm not so naive to not think of this,I'm just stating what could most likely have played out from the players side-as you Nifty do tend to take the casinos side-no offence meant.
But then again as stated before what is the issue with Winners Casino informing their whole family of his exclusion? Wouldn't it be saving us this discussion?
A circ of IP addy,bank details,address etc.Communication within a family of casinos-thats all it takes.
Chat with 32Red
Me: If I were to request a self exclusion how long is the minimum term for this?
xxxxx: The minimum self exclusion term is 6 months, however if you are just looking to take a few weeks out we do offer a take a break facility to players which means you can close our account from between 1 week and 6 months
Me: Is this due to Gamble Awares guidelines?
xxxxx: we are in partnership with Gamcare and take responsible gaming very seriously so we offer these facilities on order to ensure we do our utmost to have our players gambling responsibly
Admittedly not GA but the standard term seems to be 6 months,"permanent self exclusion" (note the bolded) does not mean a break facility nor 2 months-nevermind 6.
This Winner casino operator must moonlight as an Old Bailey judge.Life sentence-6 months!
The first part of this is a given,anyone with an addiction expects-ie a heroin addict with a needle in his arm expects to get high.Give a gambling addict a debit card what do you expect?
In my eyes Winners casino forced the second into a harsh position via non-communication,he should never have been there in the first place via the self-exclusion he had placed himself!
OP: "Give me permanent exclusion"
Operator: Ok see you in 8 weeks.
Makes sense.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people are happy to reveal their poor comprehension or attention to detail by making ill-informed remarks like "Nifty always/almost always takes the casinos side" blah blah.
It's so old.
Not only that, it is incorrect.
I take the side of what is logical and reasonable, and have a pretty damn good track record. I do NOT take the casino's side automatically.
Your statement (which you felt the need to make in two seperate posts) is even more ill-considered, given that I said in this case that the CASINO was WRONG by voiding the $2000 win. Did you miss that part?
Fact is, I support the player side more often than you think. It's just that it's easier to make it about me and how I "support the casinos" than it is to come up with a logical and reasonable counter-argument.
No offence.
I also have to ask how you know exactly what the OP said to the casino when they asked for self exclusion? You're making a lot of assumptions. I don't see any chats or emails...?? How do you know they asked for "permanent exclusion"?
In fact, the OP asked "....IF I HAD mentioned I had a gambling problem....".....I.e. they obviously did NOT mention any such thing. How do you know that, if the casino had asked if it was a gambling problem, that the OP would have been forthcoming? Compulsive gamblers don't like to burn bridges, at least not until they hit rock bottom or decide its time to stop, and the fact that he DID go back and play again and again suggests he wasn't serious about stopping.