[Resolved] Casino Club - robot or no bot?

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hzock2

banned user: fraudulent PAB claims
PABnononaccred
PABnononaccred3
Joined
Dec 20, 2007
Location
Germany
As I already told in this thread, I am a user of the same German forum.
I do not know the poster personally neither did I have any personal contact with that user. I am by coincidence reading both the Roulette-Forum and Casino-Meister.
 

steinhaug

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Location
Norway
Shows 8 successive winning hands

So what you are reading as a winning hand is looking at two and two hands, meaning one low lose then one high win - this is concidered a win. And there are 8 of them in a row. Then I see what you mean.

EDIT:
Thanks to Rusty and KK for pointing this out, I am reading the data wrong here! I will change my script and repost the data in a minute.
 
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Jufo

Three-toed sloth
Joined
Sep 21, 2007
Location
Finland
For your acknowledgement:
Upon your written statement of agreement, we are going to publish an extract of the game play history of the Black Jack game session mentioned here. Casino Club thinks that is inhuman to play more than 6 hrs with only 3 breaks of 2 minutes each. The total game play has a length of more than 6 hrs. This case has also been investigated and concluded by Casino Meister.

I hope this is not the "evidence" their confiscation is based on. First of all, bots are not used when playing 500 EUR hands. Secondly, with that bet size I would be so anxious that I couldn't have a bathroom break either. When you are really in the flow of the game, playing even 18 hours without any breaks is possible.

Casinomeister should give more details why he thinks this PAB is fraudulent or does he automatically believe the Casino's version?
 

steinhaug

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Location
Norway
OK, I recomputed the data for you so it's human readable. And now it's correct.

All bet's are devided like this:
Format: bet amount: bust - push - win (amount bj)

$0005: 013 : 002 : 006 (001)
$0007: 001 : 000 : 000 (000)
$0010: 003 : 000 : 003 (000)
$0015: 006 : 001 : 004 (001)
$0025: 071 : 012 : 073 (011)
$0030: 001 : 000 : 001 (001)
$0035: 001 : 001 : 000 (000)
$0037: 001 : 002 : 001 (001)
$0050: 026 : 003 : 025 (002)
$0055: 001 : 000 : 000 (000)
$0060: 001 : 000 : 001 (000)
$0075: 006 : 004 : 015 (001)
$0100: 253 : 040 : 223 (020)
$0150: 014 : 007 : 005 (004)
$0200: 027 : 002 : 044 (001)
$0250: 002 : 000 : 004 (002)
$0300: 006 : 001 : 011 (002)
$0375: 001 : 000 : 000 (000)
$0400: 000 : 000 : 002 (001)
$0450: 001 : 000 : 000 (000)
$0500: 211 : 042 : 191 (024)
$0750: 008 : 003 : 005 (005)
$0800: 000 : 000 : 002 (000)
$0900: 000 : 000 : 001 (000)
$1000: 021 : 003 : 030 (000)
$1250: 000 : 000 : 001 (001)

As for the gameplay, in correct order it looks like this:
Format: Hand number: balance change, and explernation

Bold are wins, and +200 would mean a 200 bet who won.

Code:
0001: +[B]200[/B]
0002: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0003: -100
0004: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0005: -100
0006: +[B]200[/B]
0007: -100
0008: +[B]100[/B]
0009: -100
0010: +[B]200[/B]
0011: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0012: -25
0013: -25
0014: -50
0015: +[B]50[/B]
0016: -50
0017: -50
0018: -100
0019: -100
0020: +[B]100[/B]
0021: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0022: -100
0023: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0024: +[B]100[/B]
0025: -100
0026: -100
0027: +[B]100[/B]
0028: +[B]100[/B]
0029: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0030: +[B]25[/B]
0031: +[B]25[/B]
0032: +[B]25[/B]
0033: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0034: +[B]25[/B]
0035: -25
0036: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0037: +[B]5[/B]
0038: +[B]15[/B]
0039: +[B]5[/B]
0040: -5
0041: -15
0042: -25
0043: -55
0044: +[B]100[/B]
0045: -5
0046: -30
0047: -50
0048: -100
0049: +[B]100[/B]
0050: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0051: -5
0052: +[B]15[/B]
0053: -5
0054: +[B]10[/B]
0055: -10
0056: +[B]25[/B]
0057: -5
0058: +[B]22.5[/B] (BJ, 15 bet)
0059: -5
0060: -15
0061: +[B]60[/B]
0062: +[B]7.5[/B] (BJ, 5 bet)
0063: -5
0064: -15
0065: -25
0066: +0 (push, 75 bet)
0067: +[B]75[/B]
0068: -7.5
0069: -10
0070: +[B]10[/B]
0071: -5
0072: -15
0073: -25
0074: +[B]75[/B]
0075: -5
0076: -15
0077: +[B]45[/B] (BJ, 30 bet)
0078: +0 (push, 5 bet)
0079: +0 (push, 15 bet)
0080: -15
0081: +0 (push, 35 bet)
0082: -35
0083: -75
0084: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0085: -100
0086: +[B]100[/B]
0087: +[B]100[/B]
0088: -100
0089: -100
0090: -100
0091: +[B]100[/B]
0092: +[B]100[/B]
0093: -200
0094: +[B]200[/B]
0095: -100
0096: +[B]200[/B]
0097: +[B]200[/B]
0098: +[B]100[/B]
0099: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0100: -25
0101: +[B]25[/B]
0102: -25
0103: -50
0104: -50
0105: -100
0106: -100
0107: -100
0108: -100
0109: +[B]100[/B]
0110: -100
0111: +[B]100[/B]
0112: +[B]-50[/B] (BJ, 150 bet)
0113: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0114: +[B]100[/B]
0115: +[B]100[/B]
0116: -100
0117: +[B]100[/B]
0118: +[B]100[/B]
0119: -100
0120: -100
0121: +[B]100[/B]
0122: +[B]100[/B]
0123: +[B]200[/B]
0124: +[B]100[/B]
0125: -100
0126: +[B]100[/B]
0127: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0128: -100
0129: +[B]100[/B]
0130: -100
0131: -100
0132: -100
0133: -200
0134: -100
0135: +[B]100[/B]
0136: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0137: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0138: +[B]100[/B]
0139: +[B]100[/B]
0140: -100
0141: -100
0142: +0 (push, 150 bet)
0143: -100
0144: +[B]100[/B]
0145: +[B]100[/B]
0146: +0 (push, 150 bet)
0147: -100
0148: -100
0149: -100
0150: +0 (push, 200 bet)
0151: -100
0152: +[B]100[/B]
0153: -100
0154: -100
0155: +[B]100[/B]
0156: -100
0157: +[B]100[/B]
0158: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0159: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0160: -100
0161: -100
0162: +0 (push, 200 bet)
0163: +[B]200[/B]
0164: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0165: -100
0166: +[B]100[/B]
0167: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0168: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0169: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0170: +[B]100[/B]
0171: -100
0172: +[B]100[/B]
0173: -100
0174: -100
0175: +[B]100[/B]
0176: +[B]100[/B]
0177: -100
0178: -100
0179: -100
0180: -100
0181: -100
0182: +[B]100[/B]
0183: -100
0184: -150
0185: +[B]100[/B]
0186: +[B]100[/B]
0187: +[B]100[/B]
0188: +[B]100[/B]
0189: +[B]100[/B]
0190: -100
0191: -100
0192: -100
0193: -150
0194: -100
0195: -100
0196: +[B]200[/B]
0197: -100
0198: -100
0199: +[B]100[/B]
0200: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0201: -100
0202: -100
0203: +[B]100[/B]
0204: -100
0205: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0206: -100
0207: +[B]100[/B]
0208: +[B]100[/B]
0209: +[B]100[/B]
0210: +[B]100[/B]
0211: +[B]100[/B]
0212: +[B]100[/B]
0213: -100
0214: +[B]100[/B]
0215: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 250 bet)
0216: +[B]100[/B]
0217: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0218: -100
0219: +[B]100[/B]
0220: +[B]100[/B]
0221: -100
0222: +0 (push, 150 bet)
0223: -100
0224: +[B]100[/B]
0225: +[B]200[/B]
0226: -100
0227: -100
0228: -100
0229: -100
0230: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0231: +[B]100[/B]
0232: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0233: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0234: +[B]25[/B]
0235: -25
0236: -100
0237: -100
0238: +[B]100[/B]
0239: -100
0240: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0241: +[B]100[/B]
0242: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0243: +[B]50[/B]
0244: -25
0245: -25
0246: -50
0247: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0248: +[B]100[/B]
0249: +[B]200[/B]
0250: +[B]25[/B]
0251: -25
0252: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0253: +[B]25[/B]
0254: +[B]25[/B]
0255: +[B]25[/B]
0256: +[B]25[/B]
0257: +[B]25[/B]
0258: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0259: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0260: +[B]50[/B]
0261: +[B]25[/B]
0262: -25
0263: -50
0264: +[B]25[/B]
0265: +[B]25[/B]
0266: -25
0267: +[B]50[/B]
0268: -25
0269: +[B]25[/B]
0270: -25
0271: +[B]50[/B]
0272: +[B]25[/B]
0273: -25
0274: -25
0275: -100
0276: +[B]100[/B]
0277: -25
0278: +[B]75[/B]
0279: -25
0280: +[B]75[/B]
0281: -25
0282: +[B]75[/B] (BJ, 50 bet)
0283: +[B]25[/B]
0284: +[B]25[/B]
0285: +[B]25[/B]
0286: +[B]25[/B]
0287: +[B]25[/B]
0288: +[B]25[/B]
0289: -25
0290: -50
0291: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0292: +[B]100[/B]
0293: +[B]25[/B]
0294: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0295: +[B]25[/B]
0296: +[B]25[/B]
0297: +[B]25[/B]
0298: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0299: +[B]25[/B]
0300: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0301: -25
0302: -25
0303: -25
0304: +[B]25[/B]
0305: -25
0306: +[B]75[/B]
0307: -25
0308: +[B]75[/B]
0309: +[B]25[/B]
0310: +[B]25[/B]
0311: +[B]25[/B]
0312: +[B]25[/B]
0313: +[B]25[/B]
0314: -25
0315: -5
0316: +0 (push, 5 bet)
0317: +[B]10[/B]
0318: +[B]5[/B]
0319: +[B]5[/B]
0320: +[B]5[/B]
0321: -5
0322: -25
0323: +0 (push, 75 bet)
0324: -75
0325: -100
0326: -100
0327: +0 (push, 150 bet)
0328: -200
0329: -200
0330: -200
0331: +[B]100[/B]
0332: -100
0333: -100
0334: -100
0335: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0336: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0337: -100
0338: -100
0339: -100
0340: -100
0341: +[B]200[/B]
0342: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0343: +[B]100[/B]
0344: +[B]100[/B]
0345: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0346: +[B]100[/B]
0347: +[B]100[/B]
0348: +[B]100[/B]
0349: +[B]100[/B]
0350: +[B]100[/B]
0351: +[B]100[/B]
0352: +[B]100[/B]
0353: +[B]200[/B]
0354: -100
0355: -100
0356: +[B]100[/B]
0357: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0358: -100
0359: +[B]200[/B]
0360: +[B]100[/B]
0361: +[B]100[/B]
0362: -100
0363: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0364: -100
0365: -150
0366: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0367: +[B]100[/B]
0368: -100
0369: -100
0370: -100
0371: +[B]100[/B]
0372: -100
0373: +[B]100[/B]
0374: -100
0375: -200
0376: -150
0377: -100
0378: -200
0379: +[B]100[/B]
0380: +[B]100[/B]
0381: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0382: -100
0383: +[B]100[/B]
0384: -100
0385: +[B]100[/B]
0386: -200
0387: -100
0388: -150
0389: +[B]100[/B]
0390: -100
0391: -100
0392: +[B]100[/B]
0393: +[B]100[/B]
0394: +[B]100[/B]
0395: +[B]100[/B]
0396: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0397: -100
0398: -100
0399: -100
0400: -100
0401: +[B]100[/B]
0402: -100
0403: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0404: +[B]100[/B]
0405: -100
0406: -100
0407: +[B]100[/B]
0408: -100
0409: -100
0410: -200
0411: -100
0412: -100
0413: +[B]100[/B]
0414: +[B]100[/B]
0415: +[B]100[/B]
0416: +[B]100[/B]
0417: +[B]200[/B]
0418: +[B]100[/B]
0419: -100
0420: -100
0421: -200
0422: -150
0423: +[B]100[/B]
0424: -100
0425: +[B]100[/B]
0426: -100
0427: +[B]200[/B]
0428: +[B]100[/B]
0429: +[B]200[/B]
0430: +[B]100[/B]
0431: +[B]100[/B]
0432: -100
0433: -100
0434: -100
0435: -200
0436: -200
0437: -100
0438: +[B]200[/B]
0439: +[B]100[/B]
0440: -100
0441: -100
0442: +[B]100[/B]
0443: -100
0444: +[B]100[/B]
0445: +[B]100[/B]
0446: -100
0447: +[B]100[/B]
0448: +[B]100[/B]
0449: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0450: -100
0451: -100
0452: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0453: -100
0454: +[B]100[/B]
0455: -100
0456: -100
0457: -100
0458: +[B]100[/B]
0459: +[B]100[/B]
0460: +[B]100[/B]
0461: -100
0462: +[B]100[/B]
0463: -100
0464: -100
0465: -100
0466: -100
0467: +[B]100[/B]
0468: +[B]100[/B]
0469: +[B]200[/B]
0470: -100
0471: +[B]100[/B]
0472: +[B]200[/B]
0473: -100
0474: +[B]100[/B]
0475: +[B]100[/B]
0476: -100
0477: -250
0478: -100
0479: -100
0480: -100
0481: -100
0482: -100
0483: -100
0484: -100
0485: -100
0486: -200
0487: -200
0488: -100
0489: -100
0490: -100
0491: +[B]100[/B]
0492: +[B]100[/B]
0493: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0494: +[B]200[/B]
0495: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0496: +[B]200[/B]
0497: +[B]100[/B]
0498: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0499: +[B]100[/B]
0500: +[B]100[/B]
0501: +[B]100[/B]
0502: +[B]100[/B]
0503: -100
0504: -100
0505: +[B]100[/B]
0506: +[B]100[/B]
0507: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0508: +[B]100[/B]
0509: -100
0510: +[B]100[/B]
0511: +[B]100[/B]
0512: +[B]100[/B]
0513: +[B]100[/B]
0514: +[B]100[/B]
0515: -100
0516: -100
0517: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0518: +[B]100[/B]
0519: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0520: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0521: +[B]100[/B]
0522: +[B]100[/B]
0523: +[B]100[/B]
0524: -100
0525: +[B]100[/B]
0526: +[B]100[/B]
0527: -100
0528: -100
0529: +[B]50[/B] (BJ, 150 bet)
0530: +[B]100[/B]
0531: +[B]100[/B]
0532: +0 (push, 150 bet)
0533: -100
0534: +[B]200[/B]
0535: -100
0536: -100
0537: +[B]100[/B]
0538: +[B]100[/B]
0539: -100
0540: -150
0541: +[B]100[/B]
0542: +[B]200[/B]
0543: +[B]100[/B]
0544: +[B]100[/B]
0545: -100
0546: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0547: -100
0548: +[B]100[/B]
0549: -100
0550: -100
0551: +0 (push, 150 bet)
0552: +[B]100[/B]
0553: -150
0554: -200
0555: -100
0556: -100
0557: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0558: +[B]100[/B]
0559: -100
0560: -100
0561: +[B]200[/B]
0562: -200
0563: -200
0564: +[B]100[/B]
0565: -100
0566: -25
0567: +[B]75[/B]
0568: -25
0569: -50
0570: +[B]100[/B]
0571: -100
0572: -100
0573: +[B]200[/B]
0574: -100
0575: +[B]200[/B]
0576: -100
0577: +[B]100[/B]
0578: +[B]200[/B]
0579: +[B]200[/B]
0580: +[B]200[/B]
0581: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0582: +[B]100[/B]
0583: +[B]100[/B]
0584: +[B]100[/B]
0585: +[B]100[/B]
0586: +[B]100[/B]
0587: -100
0588: -100
0589: -100
0590: -100
0591: -100
0592: -100
0593: +[B]100[/B]
0594: -100
0595: -100
0596: +[B]100[/B]
0597: +[B]200[/B]
0598: +[B]100[/B]
0599: +[B]100[/B]
0600: -100
0601: +[B]100[/B]
0602: +[B]100[/B]
0603: +[B]200[/B]
0604: +[B]100[/B]
0605: -100
0606: -100
0607: +[B]200[/B]
0608: -100
0609: -100
0610: -100
0611: +[B]100[/B]
0612: +[B]100[/B]
0613: +[B]100[/B]
0614: +[B]100[/B]
0615: -100
0616: +[B]100[/B]
0617: +[B]100[/B]
0618: -100
0619: -100
0620: -100
0621: +[B]200[/B]
0622: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0623: -100
0624: +[B]100[/B]
0625: -100
0626: -100
0627: +[B]100[/B]
0628: -150
0629: +[B]100[/B]
0630: -100
0631: -100
0632: -100
0633: -100
0634: +[B]100[/B]
0635: -100
0636: -100
0637: -100
0638: +[B]300[/B] (BJ, 200 bet)
0639: +[B]200[/B]
0640: -100
0641: -100
0642: -200
0643: +[B]500[/B]
0644: +[B]100[/B]
0645: +[B]100[/B]
0646: +[B]100[/B]
0647: -100
0648: -300
0649: -500
0650: +[B]500[/B]
0651: -500
0652: -500
0653: +[B]500[/B]
0654: -25
0655: +[B]75[/B]
0656: +[B]25[/B]
0657: -50
0658: +[B]100[/B]
0659: -25
0660: +[B]50[/B]
0661: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0662: +[B]50[/B]
0663: -25
0664: -25
0665: +[B]75[/B]
0666: +[B]25[/B]
0667: +0 (push, 37.5 bet)
0668: -50
0669: -100
0670: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0671: +[B]100[/B]
0672: +[B]100[/B]
0673: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0674: +[B]25[/B]
0675: -25
0676: +[B]50[/B]
0677: +[B]25[/B]
0678: +[B]25[/B]
0679: -25
0680: +[B]25[/B]
0681: +[B]25[/B]
0682: -25
0683: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0684: +[B]25[/B]
0685: -25
0686: -50
0687: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0688: +[B]100[/B]
0689: +[B]50[/B]
0690: -25
0691: -25
0692: +[B]100[/B]
0693: +[B]50[/B]
0694: -75
0695: +[B]150[/B]
0696: -25
0697: -150
0698: -150
0699: +[B]500[/B]
0700: +0 (push, 37.5 bet)
0701: -5
0702: +[B]25[/B]
0703: -10
0704: +[B]15[/B]
0705: -25
0706: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0707: -25
0708: +[B]50[/B]
0709: +[B]50[/B]
0710: +[B]25[/B]
0711: -25
0712: +[B]12.5[/B] (BJ, 37.5 bet)
0713: -25
0714: +[B]25[/B]
0715: -25
0716: +[B]25[/B]
0717: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0718: -50
0719: +[B]50[/B] (BJ, 150 bet)
0720: -50
0721: +[B]100[/B]
0722: +[B]25[/B]
0723: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0724: -25
0725: +[B]50[/B]
0726: -25
0727: -25
0728: -100
0729: -375
0730: +[B]900[/B]
0731: +[B]25[/B]
0732: -25
0733: +0 (push, 75 bet)
0734: +[B]75[/B]
0735: -25
0736: +[B]100[/B]
0737: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0738: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0739: -25
0740: +[B]75[/B]
0741: +[B]50[/B]
0742: -25
0743: +[B]50[/B]
0744: -25
0745: +[B]50[/B]
0746: -50
0747: +[B]100[/B]
0748: +[B]25[/B]
0749: +[B]25[/B]
0750: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0751: +[B]25[/B]
0752: -25
0753: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0754: +[B]25[/B]
0755: -25
0756: -25
0757: -100
0758: +[B]200[/B]
0759: +[B]75[/B] (BJ, 50 bet)
0760: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0761: +[B]37.5[/B] (BJ, 25 bet)
0762: +[B]25[/B]
0763: -25
0764: -50
0765: -100
0766: -200
0767: +[B]500[/B]
0768: +[B]25[/B]
0769: -25
0770: +[B]50[/B]
0771: +0 (push, 50 bet)
0772: +[B]50[/B]
0773: -50
0774: +0 (push, 50 bet)
0775: -50
0776: -100
0777: +[B]450[/B] (BJ, 300 bet)
0778: +[B]25[/B]
0779: +[B]25[/B]
0780: -25
0781: -75
0782: +[B]375[/B] (BJ, 250 bet)
0783: -37.5
0784: -100
0785: -300
0786: -500
0787: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
0788: +[B]250[/B] (BJ, 750 bet)
0789: -25
0790: -75
0791: +0 (push, 500 bet)
0792: +[B]250[/B]
0793: -50
0794: +0 (push, 150 bet)
0795: -150
0796: -450
0797: +[B]500[/B]
0798: +[B]250[/B] (BJ, 750 bet)
0799: +[B]500[/B]
0800: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0801: -25
0802: -60
0803: -200
0804: -500
0805: -1000
0806: -500
0807: +[B]500[/B]
0808: +[B]500[/B]
0809: -500
0810: -500
0811: +[B]1000[/B]
0812: -500
0813: +[B]500[/B]
0814: +[B]500[/B]
0815: +[B]500[/B]
0816: +[B]500[/B]
0817: -100
0818: -200
0819: +0 (push, 1000 bet)
0820: -500
0821: -500
0822: -500
0823: +0 (push, 500 bet)
0824: +[B]500[/B]
0825: -500
0826: +[B]500[/B]
0827: -500
0828: -500
0829: +0 (push, 1000 bet)
0830: +[B]500[/B]
0831: -500
0832: -500
0833: -500
0834: +[B]1000[/B]
0835: -500
0836: -1000
0837: -500
0838: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
0839: +[B]500[/B]
0840: -500
0841: +[B]500[/B]
0842: +[B]500[/B]
0843: -500
0844: +[B]500[/B]
0845: +[B]500[/B]
0846: +[B]500[/B]
0847: +0 (push, 500 bet)
0848: -500
0849: +[B]250[/B] (BJ, 750 bet)
0850: -500
0851: -1000
0852: -500
0853: +[B]500[/B]
0854: +[B]1000[/B]
0855: -500
0856: -500
0857: -500
0858: +[B]500[/B]
0859: +[B]500[/B]
0860: -1000
0861: -500
0862: -500
0863: -1000
0864: -500
0865: +[B]500[/B]
0866: -500
0867: +[B]500[/B]
0868: -1000
0869: -500
0870: +[B]100[/B]
0871: -100
0872: +[B]500[/B]
0873: -100
0874: +[B]800[/B]
0875: -100
0876: -200
0877: +[B]800[/B]
0878: +[B]100[/B]
0879: -100
0880: -200
0881: +[B]500[/B]
0882: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0883: -100
0884: -300
0885: -500
0886: +[B]500[/B]
0887: +[B]500[/B]
0888: -500
0889: -500
0890: -500
0891: -500
0892: +[B]500[/B]
0893: -500
0894: +[B]500[/B]
0895: +[B]500[/B]
0896: +[B]100[/B]
0897: -100
0898: +[B]300[/B]
0899: +[B]100[/B]
0900: +[B]200[/B]
0901: -100
0902: -100
0903: +[B]300[/B]
0904: +[B]300[/B]
0905: -100
0906: -100
0907: +[B]300[/B]
0908: -100
0909: +[B]100[/B]
0910: -100
0911: -100
0912: +[B]300[/B]
0913: -100
0914: -300
0915: -500
0916: +0 (push, 500 bet)
0917: +[B]500[/B]
0918: -100
0919: +[B]300[/B]
0920: +[B]300[/B]
0921: -100
0922: -100
0923: -200
0924: +[B]500[/B]
0925: +[B]500[/B]
0926: -100
0927: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
0928: +[B]100[/B]
0929: -100
0930: +[B]100[/B]
0931: +[B]100[/B]
0932: +[B]100[/B]
0933: -100
0934: -200
0935: -500
0936: +[B]1000[/B]
0937: +0 (push, 100 bet)
0938: -100
0939: +[B]200[/B]
0940: -100
0941: -100
0942: -100
0943: -500
0944: +[B]500[/B]
0945: +[B]1000[/B]
0946: +[B]100[/B]
0947: +[B]100[/B]
0948: -100
0949: -100
0950: -200
0951: -500
0952: +[B]-250[/B] (BJ, 750 bet)
0953: +[B]500[/B]
0954: -500
0955: +[B]500[/B]
0956: +[B]1000[/B]
0957: +[B]500[/B]
0958: +[B]500[/B]
0959: -500
0960: -500
0961: +[B]1000[/B]
0962: +[B]1000[/B]
0963: +0 (push, 500 bet)
0964: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
0965: -100
0966: +[B]300[/B]
0967: +[B]25[/B]
0968: +[B]25[/B]
0969: +[B]50[/B]
0970: +0 (push, 25 bet)
0971: +[B]25[/B]
0972: -25
0973: +[B]75[/B]
0974: -25
0975: -100
0976: -500
0977: -500
0978: -500
0979: -500
0980: -500
0981: -500
0982: -500
0983: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
0984: -750
0985: +[B]500[/B]
0986: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
0987: +[B]250[/B] (BJ, 750 bet)
0988: +[B]500[/B]
0989: -500
0990: -500
0991: +[B]1000[/B]
0992: -500
0993: +[B]500[/B]
0994: -500
0995: +[B]500[/B]
0996: +[B]500[/B]
0997: +[B]500[/B]
0998: -500
0999: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1000: -500
1001: -750
1002: +[B]1000[/B]
1003: -500
1004: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1005: -1000
1006: -500
1007: -500
1008: -500
1009: -500
1010: -500
1011: +[B]500[/B]
1012: +[B]500[/B]
1013: +[B]500[/B]
1014: +[B]500[/B]
1015: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1016: -500
1017: -500
1018: +[B]1000[/B]
1019: +[B]500[/B]
1020: -500
1021: +[B]500[/B]
1022: +[B]500[/B]
1023: -500
1024: +[B]1000[/B]
1025: -500
1026: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1027: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1028: +[B]500[/B]
1029: -500
1030: +[B]500[/B]
1031: +[B]500[/B]
1032: -500
1033: +[B]500[/B]
1034: +[B]500[/B]
1035: +[B]1000[/B]
1036: -1000
1037: +[B]500[/B]
1038: -500
1039: -500
1040: -500
1041: +[B]1000[/B]
1042: +[B]500[/B]
1043: -500
1044: -500
1045: -500
1046: -500
1047: -500
1048: -1000
1049: -750
1050: -500
1051: -500
1052: -500
1053: +[B]1000[/B]
1054: -500
1055: +[B]1000[/B]
1056: -500
1057: -500
1058: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1059: +[B]500[/B]
1060: +[B]1000[/B]
1061: -500
1062: +[B]500[/B]
1063: -500
1064: -500
1065: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1066: -500
1067: +[B]500[/B]
1068: -500
1069: -500
1070: -1000
1071: -500
1072: -500
1073: -500
1074: -500
1075: +[B]500[/B]
1076: -500
1077: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1078: -750
1079: -500
1080: -500
1081: +[B]500[/B]
1082: +[B]500[/B]
1083: +[B]500[/B]
1084: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1085: -500
1086: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1087: -500
1088: -500
1089: -500
1090: +[B]500[/B]
1091: -500
1092: -500
1093: +[B]500[/B]
1094: +[B]1000[/B]
1095: +[B]500[/B]
1096: -500
1097: +0 (push, 1000 bet)
1098: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1099: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1100: -500
1101: +[B]500[/B]
1102: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1103: +[B]500[/B]
1104: +[B]500[/B]
1105: -500
1106: +[B]500[/B]
1107: -500
1108: -500
1109: -500
1110: -500
1111: +[B]500[/B]
1112: +[B]500[/B]
1113: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1114: -500
1115: -500
1116: +[B]1000[/B]
1117: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1118: +[B]500[/B]
1119: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1120: +[B]500[/B]
1121: -1000
1122: +[B]500[/B]
1123: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1124: +[B]500[/B]
1125: +[B]500[/B]
1126: +[B]500[/B]
1127: -500
1128: -500
1129: +[B]500[/B]
1130: -500
1131: -500
1132: -1000
1133: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1134: -500
1135: +[B]500[/B]
1136: -500
1137: +[B]500[/B]
1138: +[B]500[/B]
1139: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1140: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1141: +[B]500[/B]
1142: -500
1143: +[B]500[/B]
1144: -500
1145: +[B]500[/B]
1146: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1147: -500
1148: -500
1149: +[B]1000[/B]
1150: -500
1151: +[B]500[/B]
1152: -500
1153: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1154: -500
1155: -500
1156: +[B]1000[/B]
1157: -500
1158: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1159: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1160: -500
1161: +[B]500[/B]
1162: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1163: +[B]500[/B]
1164: +[B]1000[/B]
1165: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1166: +[B]500[/B]
1167: -500
1168: +[B]500[/B]
1169: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
1170: -100
1171: -100
1172: +[B]100[/B]
1173: -100
1174: +[B]100[/B]
1175: -100
1176: -100
1177: -300
1178: +[B]500[/B]
1179: +[B]200[/B]
1180: +[B]400[/B]
1181: +[B]100[/B]
1182: +[B]100[/B]
1183: -100
1184: +0 (push, 300 bet)
1185: +[B]200[/B]
1186: +[B]200[/B]
1187: +[B]100[/B]
1188: +[B]100[/B]
1189: -100
1190: +[B]450[/B] (BJ, 300 bet)
1191: +[B]50[/B]
1192: -5
1193: +[B]25[/B] (BJ, 75 bet)
1194: +[B]25[/B]
1195: -50
1196: +[B]50[/B] (BJ, 150 bet)
1197: -50
1198: -100
1199: -300
1200: +[B]500[/B]
1201: +[B]200[/B]
1202: +0 (push, 100 bet)
1203: +[B]100[/B]
1204: -100
1205: +[B]200[/B]
1206: +[B]100[/B]
1207: -100
1208: -100
1209: +[B]300[/B]
1210: +[B]150[/B] (BJ, 100 bet)
1211: -100
1212: -100
1213: +[B]1000[/B]
1214: -50
1215: +[B]100[/B]
1216: -100
1217: -100
1218: -150
1219: -250
1220: +[B]500[/B]
1221: -500
1222: -500
1223: +[B]500[/B]
1224: +0 (push, 750 bet)
1225: -500
1226: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1227: -500
1228: +[B]500[/B]
1229: -1000
1230: +[B]500[/B]
1231: -500
1232: -500
1233: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1234: -500
1235: +[B]500[/B]
1236: -500
1237: -500
1238: -500
1239: -500
1240: -500
1241: +[B]500[/B]
1242: +[B]500[/B]
1243: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1244: -500
1245: +[B]500[/B]
1246: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1247: +[B]500[/B]
1248: +[B]500[/B]
1249: +0 (push, 750 bet)
1250: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1251: +[B]500[/B]
1252: -500
1253: -500
1254: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1255: -500
1256: -500
1257: +[B]500[/B]
1258: +[B]500[/B]
1259: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1260: +[B]500[/B]
1261: +[B]500[/B]
1262: +[B]500[/B]
1263: -25
1264: +0 (push, 25 bet)
1265: -25
1266: +[B]100[/B]
1267: -25
1268: +[B]75[/B]
1269: +[B]50[/B]
1270: -50
1271: +[B]50[/B]
1272: -50
1273: +0 (push, 75 bet)
1274: +[B]50[/B]
1275: -25
1276: +[B]75[/B]
1277: -25
1278: -75
1279: +[B]250[/B]
1280: +0 (push, 50 bet)
1281: -50
1282: -150
1283: +[B]600[/B] (BJ, 400 bet)
1284: +[B]25[/B]
1285: -25
1286: -200
1287: -500
1288: -500
1289: -500
1290: -500
1291: -500
1292: -500
1293: -500
1294: +[B]500[/B]
1295: -500
1296: +[B]500[/B]
1297: +[B]500[/B]
1298: -500
1299: +[B]500[/B]
1300: +0 (push, 750 bet)
1301: -500
1302: -500
1303: -500
1304: +[B]500[/B]
1305: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1306: -500
1307: -750
1308: +[B]500[/B]
1309: -1000
1310: -500
1311: +[B]500[/B]
1312: -500
1313: +[B]500[/B]
1314: -500
1315: -500
1316: +[B]500[/B]
1317: -500
1318: +[B]500[/B]
1319: -500
1320: +[B]500[/B]
1321: +[B]500[/B]
1322: +[B]500[/B]
1323: +[B]500[/B]
1324: -500
1325: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1326: -500
1327: +[B]500[/B]
1328: +[B]500[/B]
1329: -500
1330: -1000
1331: -500
1332: -500
1333: +[B]500[/B]
1334: +[B]1000[/B]
1335: +[B]500[/B]
1336: -500
1337: -500
1338: +[B]500[/B]
1339: -500
1340: -500
1341: +[B]500[/B]
1342: -500
1343: -500
1344: +[B]500[/B]
1345: +[B]500[/B]
1346: -500
1347: -500
1348: -500
1349: -500
1350: -500
1351: +[B]500[/B]
1352: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1353: +[B]500[/B]
1354: -1000
1355: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1356: -500
1357: -1000
1358: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1359: +[B]500[/B]
1360: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1361: -500
1362: +[B]500[/B]
1363: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1364: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1365: -500
1366: +[B]1000[/B]
1367: -500
1368: +[B]500[/B]
1369: +[B]500[/B]
1370: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1371: +[B]500[/B]
1372: +[B]500[/B]
1373: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1374: -500
1375: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1376: +[B]500[/B]
1377: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 1250 bet)
1378: -500
1379: -500
1380: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1381: +[B]500[/B]
1382: +[B]500[/B]
1383: +[B]500[/B]
1384: -500
1385: -500
1386: +[B]500[/B]
1387: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1388: +[B]500[/B]
1389: +[B]500[/B]
1390: +[B]500[/B]
1391: -500
1392: +[B]500[/B]
1393: -750
1394: +[B]500[/B]
1395: -500
1396: -500
1397: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1398: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1399: -500
1400: +[B]500[/B]
1401: -500
1402: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1403: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1404: -750
1405: +[B]500[/B]
1406: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1407: -500
1408: +[B]500[/B]
1409: -500
1410: -500
1411: -1000
1412: +[B]500[/B]
1413: +[B]1000[/B]
1414: -500
1415: +[B]500[/B]
1416: -500
1417: +[B]500[/B]
1418: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1419: -750
1420: -500
1421: -1000
1422: +[B]1000[/B]
1423: -500
1424: +0 (push, 500 bet)
1425: -500
1426: +[B]500[/B]
1427: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1428: -500
1429: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1430: -500
1431: +[B]1000[/B]
1432: +[B]500[/B]
1433: -1000
1434: +[B]500[/B]
1435: -500
1436: +[B]750[/B] (BJ, 500 bet)
1437: -1000
1438: -500
1439: +[B]1000[/B]
1440: +[B]1000[/B]
1441: -500
1442: -500
1443: +[B]500[/B]
1444: +[B]500[/B]
1445: +[B]500[/B]
1446: +[B]500[/B]
 

steinhaug

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Location
Norway
Adding some more streak stats. If we look at consequtive wins or losses, and the rules are as follow.

A win streak are wins in a row, is broken by loss or push.
A lose streak are losses in a row, broken by win or push.

I have also ignored <4 sequences.

Code:
Winning streak:
6,4,4,4,5,6,5,7,[B]9[/B],6,4,4,8,4,6,5,7,5,4,4,5,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,4,4,4,5,4

Losing streak:
4,4,4,7,5,5,6,4,4,5,4,5,4,6,4,[COLOR="Red"][B]15[/B][/COLOR],4,6,4,4,4,4,6,5,4,4,4,9,6,10,7,4,4,5,9,4,5

By the way, the 15 in a row losing streak is from hand 476 above.
 

Shocked

Non-Gambler
Joined
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Location
Staffs UK
Kimss,

I respect your greater experience with all things gambling, but do you really think on this occasion, the bloke bet 62.5 euros? ;o)

+ Blackjack BJ_WIN1 62.5 11-12-2008 01:38 4500 / 4562.5
Blackjack BJ BET1 -25 11-12-2008 01:38 4525 / 4500

I've checked a few pages and each time there is a win, the figure below it is a multiple. Paddy power have a similar system (I think it's PP) where they show the bet, then another line if it won.

KK,

The issue (for me) is whether this bloke got paid or not - I'm going to go and read the thread on the other forum, but how its been presented here is that he got extremely lucky and then Casino Club used a spurious 'bot play' argument to deny him his winnings. Perhaps someone can tell me if I am wrong, but bots are used to play lots of perfect games with small values so to get through wagering requirements. I can't imagine anyone buying a bot that played like this guy does..unless there is some flaw being taken advantage of in CC's software that has not been mentioned yet.
 

Jukep

Dormant account
Joined
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Location
Finland
According to the logs the player has started at 01:25 and stopped at 06:46, for a total playing time of 5:21.

There seem to be 1-2 minute breaks at 2:12, 03:36, 04:08, 05:48 and 06:10.

There are 1445 lines containing BET1, which apparently means that 1445 hands were played. Thats 4.5 hands per minute, which is slowish even for a slow software like Boss.

He has played from 1 to 8 hands per minute. His rate of play has not been constant at all, as can be seen from the deviation of hands played per minute. First column is the number of minutes that he has played a certain amount of hands, and the second column is the number of hands. So e.g. there are 39 minutes in the log when he's played 3 hands in a minute, 73 minutes when he's played 4 hands a minute etc.

Code:
      4 1
     22 2
     39 3
     73 4
     93 5
     73 6
     11 7
      1 8



He started with $4450 and ended with $10050. First 2 hours of playing his stack was pretty stable, only smallish swings up and down. After 3+ hours he got a nice upswing and reached $10k at 04:39. Then came a steep downswing, taking him down at $3k at 04:55. Again his luck turns and he's back at $10k at 05:10. Some ups and downs, and then almost broke at 05:35, only $905 left. Again back to $10k 06:01, almost broke at 06:31 ($1300), but again he manages to rise and ends up at $10k.

He's changing his bet size often, from $5 to $1250. Here's the number of hands played with each bet size:
Code:
      6 -10
    516 -100
     54 -1,000.00
      1 -1,250.00
     11 -15
     26 -150
     72 -200
    156 -25
      6 -250
      2 -30
     18 -300
      2 -35
      1 -375
      4 -37.5
      2 -400
      1 -450
     21 -5
     54 -50
    444 -500
      1 -55
      2 -60
     25 -75
      1 -7.5
     16 -750
      2 -800
      1 -900

I believe an expected play log from a bot would be a long session with unchanging and small bet size, played fast and without breaks and with a constant hand rate.

When comparing his session to a supposed bot session, there seem to be few similarities.

His bet sizing has been like a rollercoaster, going up and down all the time. There are very few small bets, and lots of very big ones. I wonder why anyone would let a computer play with $100-1000 bet sizes. What would be the point?

He has not played very fast, and importantly, his hand rate per minute has not been steady at all.

His session has been pretty long, but there have been 5 1-2minute breaks. When taken out of context, a 5-6 hour session might look suspicious. However, if you look at the rollercoaster of his results, it's pretty easy to understand the urge to continue playing. First couple of hours are quite uneventfull, but the rest is pretty much constant swings. I personally would've been glued to the computer when swinging to $10k, down to $1k, then back up and down again, rinse and repeat...

I am surprised that this log has been used as evidence of bot play, as it really doesn't seem to support such a claim.

If this is all the evicence, then it looks like Casino Club has failed to fully and neutrally analyze the log, in it's eagerness to find damning evidence. It looks like their case rests purely on the length of the session, and all the contrary data has been ignored.
 

steinhaug

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Location
Norway
I've checked a few pages and each time there is a win, the figure below it is a multiple. Paddy power have a similar system (I think it's PP) where they show the bet, then another line if it won.

I corrected this, I read the logs wrong. You were right from your first post, the first line represent the bet. The next line will be the win if any, if no win the next line will be next bet. When I figured it out it was easy, and you can easily see the push and BJ on the list. My previous post has the corrected gameplay.
 

Casinomeister

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Just to jump in here real quick-like before I hit the sack. I have the log file that covers 14 hours - not just six hours - of the same game play (virtually no breaks). You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks. The guy's eyeballs would be falling out, he'd have thrombosis of the legs and a pee bucket beside his desk. :p

But thanks to kimss and a few others that have pointed out a number of odd things, this is the strangest bot play I've ever seen. I'll be getting back to this in the morning.
 

steinhaug

Senior Member
Joined
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Location
Norway
You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks. The guy's eyeballs would be falling out, he'd have thrombosis of the legs and a pee bucket beside his desk. :p

Well, some people drink coffee, some people take amphetamins,:D

Anyways, if you have PHP installed CM you can use this script I put together to compile the data which I posted above.

Format should be from last to first:
Code:
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:46 8050 / 7550
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:45 8550 / 8050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:45 9050 / 8550
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 2,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 7050 / 9050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 8050 / 7050
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 2,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 6050 / 8050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 7050 / 6050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:45 7550 / 7050
Blackjack BJ BET1 -1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:45 8550 / 7550
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 1,250.00 11-12-2008 06:44 7300 / 8550
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:44 7800 / 7300
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:44 8300 / 7800
Blackjack BJ_WIN1 1,000.00 11-12-2008 06:44 7300 / 8300
Blackjack BJ BET1 -500 11-12-2008 06:44 7800 / 7300

PHP:
<?php

$wins = array();
$result = array();
$lines = file('bj.txt');
$lines = array_reverse($lines);
$count = count($lines);

$patterns = array();

for($i=0;$i < $count ;$i++){
  $current = $lines[$i];
  $current = str_replace('Blackjack BJ_WIN1','WIN',$current);
  $current = str_replace('Blackjack BJ BET1','BET',$current);
  $current = trim($current);
  $t = explode(' ',$current);
  if($t[0] == 'WIN') continue;

  $next = $lines[$i+1];
  $next = str_replace('Blackjack BJ_WIN1','WIN',$next);
  $next = str_replace('Blackjack BJ BET1','BET',$next);
  $next = trim($next);
  $n = explode(' ',$next);

  $current_val = $t[6] - $t[4];
  $next_val    = $n[6] - $n[4];

  $t[1] = str_replace(',','',$t[1]);
  $n[1] = str_replace(',','',$n[1]);

  if($n[0] == 'WIN'){
    if($t[1] > 0){
      die('<hr>' . $lines[$i] . "<hr>SHOULD BE LOSING LINE!");
    }
    $t[1] = $t[1] * -1;
    $r = $n[1] - $t[1];

    if($r == $t[1]){
      $result[] = '+' . '[B]' . $r . '[/B]';
      $wins[$t[1]]['win']++;
      if($patterns['lose']>3) { $patterns['losestreak'][] = $patterns['lose']; }
      $patterns['win']++;
      $patterns['lose'] = 0;
    } else if($r == 0){
      $result[] = '+' . $r . ' (push, ' . $t[1] . ' bet)';
      $wins[$t[1]]['push']++;
      if($patterns['lose']>3) { $patterns['losestreak'][] = $patterns['lose']; }
      if($patterns['win']>3) $patterns['winstreak'][] = $patterns['win'];
      $patterns['win'] = 0;
      $patterns['lose'] = 0;
    } else {
      $result[] = '+' . '[B]' . $r . '[/B]' . ' (BJ, ' . $t[1] . ' bet)';
      $wins[$t[1]]['win']++;
      $wins[$t[1]]['bj']++;
      if($patterns['lose']>3) { $patterns['losestreak'][] = $patterns['lose']; }
      $patterns['win']++;
      $patterns['lose'] = 0;
    }
    continue;
  } else {
    $result[] = $current_val;

    $t[1] = $t[1] * -1;
    $wins[$t[1]]['lose']++;
    if($patterns['win']>3) $patterns['winstreak'][] = $patterns['win'];
    $patterns['lose']++;
    $patterns['win'] = 0;
  }
}

echo '<hr>';
echo 'winstreak' . implode(',',$patterns['winstreak']) . '<br>';
echo 'losestreak' . implode(',',$patterns['losestreak']) . '<br>';
?>
<hr>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="" id="" class="" style="">
  <tbody>
    <tr>
      <td></td>
      <td valign="top"><?php
ksort($wins);
foreach($wins AS $a=>$b){
  echo '$' . prefix_zero($a,4) . ': ' . prefix_zero((int) $b['lose'],3) . ' : ' . prefix_zero((int) $b['push'],3) . ' : ' . prefix_zero((int) $b['win'],3) . ' (' . prefix_zero((int) $b['bj'],3) . ')<br>';
}
      ?></td>
      <td><?php
function prefix_zero($x, $l){
  while(strlen($x)<$l){ $x = '0' . $x; }
  return $x;
}

$line = 1;
foreach($result AS $a){
  if($a > 0){
    echo prefix_zero($line,4) . ': ' . $a . '<br>';
    //echo prefix_zero($line,4) . ': [B]' . $a . '[/B]<br>';
  } else {
    echo prefix_zero($line,4) . ': ' . $a . '<br>';
  }
$line++;
}
      ?></td>
    </tr>
  </tbody>
</table>
 

Shocked

Non-Gambler
Joined
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Location
Staffs UK
Apologies Kimss, I should've read more thoroughly :)

The idea that playing for 6 hours with little breaks is very long, in my opinion, a joke - I'll gladly admit that I can play for MUCH more than that when the excitement is there and the adrenaline flowing...even previously rational people start thinking that there is some magical process going on when the luck is REALLY going for you (as in with this player).

What's rather worrying about this is that its not one of the casinos from the Virtual group..or even some newbie Go Wild type startup, its Casino Club - one of the biggest online casinos in europe! If the information given is true, then this severely questions their ethics and also the validity of their 'security checks' - from their forum, it looks like his results were supposedly checked at least twice and CC still maintained that he was using a bot?!? If they were at least saying that he's exploited a flaw in the software or some other cheat or fraud, then It would be slightly more convincing, but their argument is completely silly.

Aside from the fact that it looks bad for CC, they've shooting themselves again in the foot by not just letting this player play out all his winnings - from his play I'd guess that he's pretty compulsive with his gambling and CC have made sure that, if he does ever see his money, he won't be wasting it all on them.

Meh, glad there are more sensible casinos about.

---- wrote this before seeing CMs reply
 
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NextToYou

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Location
Europe
I have the log file that covers 14 hours - not just six hours - of the same game play (virtually no breaks). You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks. The guy's eyeballs would be falling out, he'd have thrombosis of the legs and a pee bucket beside his desk.

I don't find this strong enough evidence about anything.

I am personally definitely not a person having any kind of gambling problem/addiction and I just checked out of interest my personal play logs from my longest online poker sessions from last two years. The result is that I have several over 8 hour sessions tracked during last 2 years, meaning that I haven't had a break longer than ~3mins, because if you take a longer break, the software will kick you out from the table and it will be tracked as a new session if you go bsck. Longest session during last 2 years has been ~11 hours (and it has even been a winning session!).

Now, bear in mind that:

1. This has occured for me in online poker, which requires a hell of a lot more concentration and energy than playing online blackjack (which is very simple and dull game actually if you have even a bit experience).

2. Also, if the person in question has even a slightest kind of "addiction" or "rush" or whatever we want to call it towards the game, there won't be a feel of exhaustion before softwares are closed.

3. There are several confirmed cases people playing online poker for more than 18 hours straight and (without any extra incentive like bet or so) - why not 14 hours of online BJ then? It's not exactly a marathon.


In short: gambling 14 hours straight online with only short bathroom type of breaks or other 2-3 minute type of breaks (time that microwave pizza takes to heat or you take a fast dump) is not exactly any inhuman achievement, especially when talking about simple game like blackjack, which doesn't require too much constant effort.

Conclusion: 14 hour playing time can't be used as a judging evidence, there has to be much more.
 

Rusty

Banned User - repetitive flaming
Joined
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Location
Manchester UK
Even 14 hours with very short breaks is really not so amazing.

Hand on heart I have played 36 Hours straight before now with very few and only short breaks.
Have they ever heard of en suite bathrooms?
If this is their only evidence it stinks.

What might be more revealing is this Guys previous play patterns.

Apparently this was not his first play at the Casino.

At the moment I think the Casino are really out on a limb with this one unless we see some real evidence.

It should also not go unnoticed that several times he makes a very nice profit but continues to play until nearly bust.
He is actually just a few hands away from busting out sometimes and if he had, well then, there would be no bot play would there?
 
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Jufo

Three-toed sloth
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Location
Finland
It should also not go unnoticed that several times he makes a very nice profit but continues to play until nearly bust.
He is actually just a few hands away from busting out sometimes and if he had, well then, there would be no bot play would there?

That's right. He takes huge risks and almost loses it all - many times! The bots are used in completely opposite scenario: making very low-risk wagers to complete the wagering requirements. Did he even need to complete any wagering requirement?
 

Pinababy69

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Location
Toronto, Ontario - Canada
In short: gambling 14 hours straight online with only short bathroom type of breaks or other 2-3 minute type of breaks (time that microwave pizza takes to heat or you take a fast dump) is not exactly any inhuman achievement, especially when talking about simple game like blackjack, which doesn't require too much constant effort.

Conclusion: 14 hour playing time can't be used as a judging evidence, there has to be much more.

Even 14 hours with very short breaks is really not so amazing.

Hand on heart I have played 36 Hours straight before now with very few and only short breaks.

Absolutely 110% agree with both of you. I certainly wouldn't and don't make a habit out of it, and I find Blackjack boring as hell......but I'm sure there are times that I've sat and played for 14 hrs or more. Slots mind you, but same thing. Especially if you are on a roll and get that adrenaline rush going. I only play "on average" once, maybe twice a week. But if the reels are going my way, five or six hours is a normal gaming session. I don't find 14 totally absurd at all. And if this is what the casino is basing its decision on, then obviously they don't have too many true gamblers analyzing their data.

Add to that, as you guys mentioned, the fact that he more than once came close to busting out yet continued to play? What bot does that?

Note to mod or Bryan....could we get the thread title changed to more appropriately reflect the content?
 

RobWin

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14 Hours is nothing...it's actually laughable as I have gone for the marathon of 72.5 hours before at the land based casino Harrah's, I arrived on a Friday morning early and sat down at one machine in the high limit area and played video poker continuously for approx. 72.5 hours before coming back to my senses and realizing that I had totally missed the days Saturday & Sunday and my only time away from the machine was for my brief two to three minute bathroom breaks...:eek2:

My casino host even brought food to me while I was sitting and standing in front of this machine playing for this time period and she had even left twice to go home because her shift was over and then she returned to find me still there, lol...she was surprised the second day to still see me there but then the third day she was actually shocked !! Hell, I even drove 3 hours to get back home after this marathon run...;)

Those were some of my crazy days of gambling, I am now a hell of a lot more constrained and conservative ! :cool:
 

suzecat

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Location
California
Wouldn't RNGs be considered a "bot" for the purposes of this thread? Seems to me that if a bot is in the casino's favor then that is ok...........but if in the player's favor then that is abuse? What kind of screwy azz logic is that?
 

Przecinek

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Location
Respect-land
This is crazy! I hope this topic gets more attention from some serious math guys that can compile it into stats... as there are to many "?" marks over this one.

I understand logic behind CC but this is getting way out of hand! This guy had made some big bucks, gambled with sums I would never be able to afford and I don't see any "bonus abusing" pattern in the log file posted. Shit I wouldn't be able to sleep for a week after placing $ 1000 bet :eek: (even $10 bets make my hands sweat over mouse). Either CasinoClub is holding back "real" evidence (maybe to prevent bot users from finding out how they track them down?) in which case they should be honest about it, or they are just using it as another excuse not to pay as we've seen that before (and we keep seeing like in the current "Microgaming blacklist" thread").

Edit : Like Rusty said "He is actually just a few hands away from busting out sometimes and if he had, well then, there would be no bot play would there?" ... This is prolly why this got me upset. That's why we need some more info from Casino Club asap
 

Kodi

Banned User - Multiple accounts fraudster
Joined
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Location
EU
14 hours - not just six hours - of the same game play (virtually no breaks). You'll have to agree that is a phenomenal amount of time. 14 hours - no breaks.

Do You think that its fair to void someone winnings because he make something wrong in the past? Why CC wait until someone hit some big winnings to show what they find? Why CC void winnings (6h session) that for sure ware made by human not bot?
 
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