Tips Reduced Slot RTP's - How YOU Are Affected!

colinsunderland

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Dr.bet is one of them opened in the last year or so. Solo casino and when I played with them all the slots were the highest RTP settings. Which for a new start up did kind of surprise me. And I had zero issues with them. Cant say if RTPS have now changed with them as I am not playing there at this time. But it does kind of fit with what Crogambler spoke of. And does actually make some sense.
What? Because one casino has high RTP settings it means no new casinos can start with lower ones?
Thats like me saying Unibet have high settings so all established casinos can only have the highest setting :confused:

It would also be against anti competition laws, and would be possibly price fixing, both of which aren't allowed.
 

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What? Because one casino has high RTP settings it means no new casinos can start with lower ones?
Thats like me saying Unibet have high settings so all established casinos can only have the highest setting :confused:

It would also be against anti competition laws, and would be possibly price fixing, both of which aren't allowed.

No it dont mean that but was just saying they are new stand alone casinos (not many) but some still coming through to the Uk Market. And in this case they do / did have highest RTPs. I dont think comp laws or price fixing has anything to do with this. Its the same as buying power - the more you purchase the better price you can attract.

We for example have clients who do get much better offers because they are eshtablished with us - where as new clients coming through need to build up some kind of track record in order to access long term discounts. Nothing illegal in that. Same could go for game provdiors with casinos even though in the end it means the player is worse off if they choose to take lower Rtps.

I think what has been said by crogambler sounds feasable.
 

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No it dont mean that but was just saying they are new stand alone casinos (not many) but some still coming through to the Uk Market. And in this case they do / did have highest RTPs. I dont think comp laws or price fixing has anything to do with this. Its the same as buying power - the more you purchase the better price you can attract.

We for example have clients who do get much better offers because they are eshtablished with us - where as new clients coming through need to build up some kind of track record in order to access long term discounts. Nothing illegal in that. Same could go for game provdiors with casinos even though in the end it means the player is worse off if they choose to take lower Rtps.

I think what has been said by crogambler sounds feasable.
But that makes no sense in this scenario. If the RTP is lower then the provider makes more money, so surely if they did put some restrictions on while the casino was building up a track record, then it would be a lower RTP than higher. So the provider makes more from new customers, and then less for loyal ones.
It would be like your loyalty prices being higher rather than lower.
 

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But that makes no sense in this scenario. If the RTP is lower then the provider makes more money, so surely if they did put some restrictions on while the casino was building up a track record, then it would be a lower RTP than higher. So the provider makes more from new customers, and then less for loyal ones.
It would be like your loyalty prices being higher rather than lower.
Ever renew car or home insurance? :D
 

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Ever renew car or home insurance? :D
Funnily enough, got a letter from the insurance co the other day and they specifically said:

As you have been with us for X years, you may not be getting the best deal (which i took as : you pay more for being with us longer)

Same for Sky etc - try ringing them up and saying with you for X time, new customers are getting more, for less and they tell u to piss off basically.
 

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Ever renew car or home insurance? :D
Funnily enough, thats just been outlawed by the FCS, all customers should now get the same price. Wish they would fuck off interfering, clearly all thats going to happen is they will stop offering discounts for people who switch/start a new policy, so people end up paying more.
 

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Massively affected. I don't seem to hit anything nowadays,even on the crappy netent stuff. The play n go casinos which say they have the full RTP on Book of Dead such as Unibet,Pokerstars,PaddyPower are even harder to bonus than they used to be.
 

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here on the forums it's advocated it's all random, genuine, blabla, on the other hand year in year out players KEEP falling for it. Imagine one month no deposits to any big casino; they'll be in panic and suddenly RTP's can go up!

Really vote with your wallet. Report the scamming affiliates on youtube with their 100k buys. Stick close to casino's who do right, as in not being greedy as f.
 

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here on the forums it's advocated it's all random, genuine, blabla, on the other hand year in year out players KEEP falling for it. Imagine one month no deposits to any big casino; they'll be in panic and suddenly RTP's can go up!

Really vote with your wallet. Report the scamming affiliates on youtube with their 100k buys. Stick close to casino's who do right, as in not being greedy as f.
So are you going to back up your earlier claims with any evidence like you said you would?
 

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But that makes no sense in this scenario. If the RTP is lower then the provider makes more money, so surely if they did put some restrictions on while the casino was building up a track record, then it would be a lower RTP than higher. So the provider makes more from new customers, and then less for loyal ones.
It would be like your loyalty prices being higher rather than lower.
It might not make sense from one perspective but from a business perspective it makes total sense. Example the way our clients can lock into better product price points is by showing longevity and sustained growth in sales. That is part of the insentive to building long lasting partnerships.

Example 2 : We have a new client - shows promise , has everything set up in the right way and has understanding of our product they will purchase. But they have no sales. No track record. They will pay the highest purchase point in most cases. When volume grows and sales show sustainabilty then discounts will be offered.

And a lower RTP is similar to offering a casino a discounted rate - its just the player pays for it over time. From a Producers perspective it makes sense to give an insentive to push there own products to be able to secure a lower longer term price point. RTP is just another commodity. The more you sell the lower the price you will be able to purchase that commodity for. That is the way business works like it or not.
 

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It might not make sense from one perspective but from a business perspective it makes total sense. Example the way our clients can lock into better product price points is by showing longevity and sustained growth in sales. That is part of the insentive to building long lasting partnerships.

Example 2 : We have a new client - shows promise , has everything set up in the right way and has understanding of our product they will purchase. But they have no sales. No track record. They will pay the highest purchase point in most cases. When volume grows and sales show sustainabilty then discounts will be offered.

And a lower RTP is similar to offering a casino a discounted rate - its just the player pays for it over time. From a Producers perspective it makes sense to give an insentive to push there own products to be able to secure a lower longer term price point. RTP is just another commodity. The more you sell the lower the price you will be able to purchase that commodity for. That is the way business works like it or not.
It's not quite the same though, as the supplier is getting less money by not offering the 'discount', thats what I mean, obviously I know what you are saying in regards to normal business, but if it were physical goods it would go
You buy product for £100
Sell for £200 to new customer, £150 to loyal customer, £125 to a really loyal customer, but your supplier adjusts his pricing dependant on your customer loyalty level, so that on the new customer you make £25, on the loyal one you make £50, and a really loyal one, you make £100 (say at the 91% RTP setting)
If thats the case, then theres no point in you offering tiered pricing as you make less the higher you sell at.
Probably not the best way to explain it as it's not really something you can compare.

But if a casino offers 96% the producer might make say £1 for every £100 wagered, but then £1.50 for it on 94% and £2 on 91%.
If thats the case then every single supplier would have to be doing the same method, which I just can't see, as I'm sure someone from the industry would have mentioned it somewhere before now.
 

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Oh well, its fun while it lasted.

Anybody now saying that online slots are better then landbased; get yourself checked. It's all about the margings and profits. More for themself less for players.
 

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Well as multiple casinos and group are not paying any withdrawals to canadians (don't know if it touches other countries). All my friends and i are barely playing. No withdrawal anywhere, they all say they have a eternal bug with withdrawals system while the deposit system works perfectly fine right. They make players flee. Quit or return land-based as we aren't getting paid at all anymore so why even play? For curious people, dama/N1/caddel and all independant casinos on softswiss platform (other than stake) are not paying us and it been all casinos (we together have 2 dozen casinos with pending withdrawals for weeks). So they are doing an amazing job at destroying their industry, everyone i know or almost is gone or moved to other hobbies. GG casinos. If only tobacco companies had such ideas to make their customer quit lol

On another note, i live in canada and where i live all the slots and lotteries and casinos are owned and operated by the provincial government (quebec) and all the games are set at 92% all across the board. So no way we will keep playing at anything under 94% as then we can just go play the real deal in real casinos or local bars for the same price. The industry is sinking, going through it's final stages before the bubble bust. Even though seems like the bubble is already busting considering the rate at which players all over the world that i know are all gone or about to.

But overall not paying any players of an entire country for weeks/months is seriously the best idea they ever had. Not to mention that eventually we'll just have no choice but to start the biggest class-joint action ever seen against the industry for thousands of players and millions of dollars in withdrawals held by the casinos. There is a big storm ahead, lots of casinos opening but soon most will shut back down. Only when the big clean up happen and the industry be on its knees will it, hopefully, go back to where it was.

Casinos are not popular or succesful today because of the product they offer today. They run on the money from the old regulars they hooked running much better rtp, promo, and service overall. This is about done now. The popularity is going down, you just can't tell unless you talk to hundreds of regulars online everyday. Then you can tell the industry shot itself.. repetitively. There is also a economic crisis ahead, the economy will take a hit and the industry with it. Since they already operate garbage rtp and are stealing/deceiving customers all they can... What will they do when this will happen? People never been thrown so much money "free money" at than the last year and casinos found a way to struggle LOL. They did because there is too many casinos, too many people making money from this industry. The casinos can say its expensive to operate all they want, its not our fault its theirs. We still just pay to spin pixels at home on our computer and electircity and internet. So we already pay thousands for a connection to a server and some games you could have on a 0.99$ phone app. So the industry found a way to struggle and need a insane amount of money to sell air to their customers? Pure geniuses...

I, for a long time, tried to fight the shit in the industry but soon realized i had nothing to do, they were committing a industry suicide on their own already. So i just watch the show, if i play i bet the minimum and deposit the minimum. I wait and hope that it gets better and if it doesnt then i'll be gone along with everyone else to something different.

p.s.: A slot on 94% compared to 96% is not only 50% more expensive, it's also a diminished product. Even if you can afford them, extra dead spins are not fun. Sessions are boring beyond belief, nothing happen. Earlier i deposited to a casino, 2 years ago i wouldve been glued to my computer till balance is 0 cause i was so hyped to play. This time, i saw balance, my brain showed me pictures of dead spins... I stood up and went take a shower. Didn't even want to play it. So you pay more for worst product, its exponentially bad.
 

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Time to talk with our wallets. Stop playing or deposit small bet small. Hurt them. It's not them that decides in the long run, it's the customers as never forget that a casino has no money, the players have it. Without players, no casino. So if enough people do it they won't have choice. If people keep playing as usual then they will continue and since casinos are greedy beyond reason they will push even more.

p.s.: my 2 cents for what it is worth, certain casino i won't name milked the player base for 1-2 years and the other casinos seeing their numbers shrink joined the train and decided to milk them too. They are destroying their own industry. The sink is sinking. They will have a crisis, many will close and maybe after a new era of casinos that understand that they need to take care of their customers? I know i know.. this is delusion lol
 

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This screen shot is from new Netent called codex of fortune. I just can't understand. As we see game informs that theoretical RTP-range inside the game is 8%. If game has solid RTP and no other versions in the markets it sounds really strange. 8% range just depending on what tactics you use. I cannot believe that.

Or other theory: They are informing just one theoretical RTP-range what can be something between 90 - 98% and player can't know which RTP-version is in which casino. Is this legal or in accordance with the terms of the license (MGA)?


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This screen shot is from new Netent called codex of fortune. I just can't understand. As we see game informs that theoretical RTP-range inside the game is 8%. If game has solid RTP and no other versions in the markets it sounds really strange. 8% range just depending on what tactics you use. I cannot believe that.

Or other theory: They are informing just one theoretical RTP-range what can be something between 90 - 98% and player can't know which RTP-version is in which casino. Is this legal or in accordance with the terms of the license (MGA)?


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I got 200x following that "strategy", but that was just luck.

But it makes sense to save the keys and don't waste them on the initial re-spins. If you save 3 keys you are guaranteed 75x as a minimum when you trigger the freespins.
 
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