Tips Reduced Slot RTP's - How YOU Are Affected!

Slotplayer83

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We know that, certain games runs more favorable once betting higher compared to betting minimal. So if you have a game that is having a bet cap, how does it not affect RTP then?

Second; that thread was right on this forum. Some going pointed out that the game help file advertised 96.5% or so but the actual javascript console showed the game being loaded at 92%, all over the place. That was purely misleading and obvious with brands too.

So dont be saying that my knowledge or info is coming out of my ass. Perhaps you should look a bit further.
 

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We know that, certain games runs more favorable once betting higher compared to betting minimal. So if you have a game that is having a bet cap, how does it not affect RTP then?

Second; that thread was right on this forum. Some going pointed out that the game help file advertised 96.5% or so but the actual javascript console showed the game being loaded at 92%, all over the place. That was purely misleading and obvious with brands too.

So dont be saying that my knowledge or info is coming out of my ass. Perhaps you should look a bit further.
ok, so post the evidence to your claims then.
 

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Inside knowledge? You just need to look at the help files.
Can you name some of the smaller casinos who can't use lower RTP's as I don't think thats true.
Ok. My career is in this industry and I know how it works. You don't get offered anything while you are below a certain GGR. This isn't valid for companies that own more casinos and most white labels. I have worked at one of the top 5 online casinos and their RTP's are criminaly low. I have also worked at a few smaller ones some time ago. If you don't think that is true, ok, suit yourself, I don't gain anything from saying this.
 

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On Monday just met some people who just got MGA license and are launching their first site hopefully within next two months, we went through their deals with different partners (game providers, payment providers and many others you need if you wanna run casino) and they will launch their first site with PnG 94.xx% RTP:s (and some other providers, don't remember everything from head).

If coming three months i can show you a new operator who launch and are not running some providers with the highest RTP version, would you like to make bet about it? Naturally, if i can't show you launch of new operator and license with lower RTP:s, i will lose that bet.
Of course there are always exceptions, but in general it is how it is. There is not a single big casino that wasn't offered to set their RTP level, most new one's do not begin with lower RTP's. My first hand experience, not meeting some people and someone telling me something, working in the industry.
 

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Ok. My career is in this industry and I know how it works. You don't get offered anything while you are below a certain GGR. This isn't valid for companies that own more casinos and most white labels. I have worked at one of the top 5 online casinos and their RTP's are criminaly low. I have also worked at a few smaller ones some time ago. If you don't think that is true, ok, suit yourself, I don't gain anything from saying this.
Ok, so give an example of the casinos? There's very very few who start up not as part of another license?
 

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Of course there are always exceptions, but in general it is how it is. There is not a single big casino that wasn't offered to set their RTP level, most new one's do not begin with lower RTP's. My first hand experience, not meeting some people and someone telling me something, working in the industry.
So smaller operators who don't have yet high enough GGR can't get different RTP models from providers but there is always exceptions? Second statement pretty much override first and makes it to be untrue. There are huge amount of people working in industry in different roles and positions so mentioning that doesn't make your argument any stronger. You were asked to give some examples and offered bet to make your point but you instead choose magic "working in industry" phrase which seem to be argument that just always must be right and can't be questioned.

There for sure is correlation in what you only refer big and small casino RTP:s but it's not any industry wide agreement that any provider refuse to provide various RTP settings for new casinos. You said yourself already that there always are exceptions so what you say is very generic statement, like you said yourself "in general" which is quite widely used measure.
 

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He might have a point. I've encountered it myself as well that playing at a established brand at some point, did'nt yield the experience i used to had before. With other words; chances are different RTP models could be very true.
 

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Ok, so give an example of the casinos? There's very very few who start up not as part of another license?
Dr.bet is one of them opened in the last year or so. Solo casino and when I played with them all the slots were the highest RTP settings. Which for a new start up did kind of surprise me. And I had zero issues with them. Cant say if RTPS have now changed with them as I am not playing there at this time. But it does kind of fit with what Crogambler spoke of. And does actually make some sense.
 

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Dr.bet is one of them opened in the last year or so. Solo casino and when I played with them all the slots were the highest RTP settings. Which for a new start up did kind of surprise me. And I had zero issues with them. Cant say if RTPS have now changed with them as I am not playing there at this time. But it does kind of fit with what Crogambler spoke of. And does actually make some sense.
What? Because one casino has high RTP settings it means no new casinos can start with lower ones?
Thats like me saying Unibet have high settings so all established casinos can only have the highest setting :confused:

It would also be against anti competition laws, and would be possibly price fixing, both of which aren't allowed.
 

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What? Because one casino has high RTP settings it means no new casinos can start with lower ones?
Thats like me saying Unibet have high settings so all established casinos can only have the highest setting :confused:

It would also be against anti competition laws, and would be possibly price fixing, both of which aren't allowed.

No it dont mean that but was just saying they are new stand alone casinos (not many) but some still coming through to the Uk Market. And in this case they do / did have highest RTPs. I dont think comp laws or price fixing has anything to do with this. Its the same as buying power - the more you purchase the better price you can attract.

We for example have clients who do get much better offers because they are eshtablished with us - where as new clients coming through need to build up some kind of track record in order to access long term discounts. Nothing illegal in that. Same could go for game provdiors with casinos even though in the end it means the player is worse off if they choose to take lower Rtps.

I think what has been said by crogambler sounds feasable.
 

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No it dont mean that but was just saying they are new stand alone casinos (not many) but some still coming through to the Uk Market. And in this case they do / did have highest RTPs. I dont think comp laws or price fixing has anything to do with this. Its the same as buying power - the more you purchase the better price you can attract.

We for example have clients who do get much better offers because they are eshtablished with us - where as new clients coming through need to build up some kind of track record in order to access long term discounts. Nothing illegal in that. Same could go for game provdiors with casinos even though in the end it means the player is worse off if they choose to take lower Rtps.

I think what has been said by crogambler sounds feasable.
But that makes no sense in this scenario. If the RTP is lower then the provider makes more money, so surely if they did put some restrictions on while the casino was building up a track record, then it would be a lower RTP than higher. So the provider makes more from new customers, and then less for loyal ones.
It would be like your loyalty prices being higher rather than lower.
 

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But that makes no sense in this scenario. If the RTP is lower then the provider makes more money, so surely if they did put some restrictions on while the casino was building up a track record, then it would be a lower RTP than higher. So the provider makes more from new customers, and then less for loyal ones.
It would be like your loyalty prices being higher rather than lower.
Ever renew car or home insurance? :D
 

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Ever renew car or home insurance? :D
Funnily enough, got a letter from the insurance co the other day and they specifically said:

As you have been with us for X years, you may not be getting the best deal (which i took as : you pay more for being with us longer)

Same for Sky etc - try ringing them up and saying with you for X time, new customers are getting more, for less and they tell u to piss off basically.
 

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Ever renew car or home insurance? :D
Funnily enough, thats just been outlawed by the FCS, all customers should now get the same price. Wish they would fuck off interfering, clearly all thats going to happen is they will stop offering discounts for people who switch/start a new policy, so people end up paying more.
 

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Massively affected. I don't seem to hit anything nowadays,even on the crappy netent stuff. The play n go casinos which say they have the full RTP on Book of Dead such as Unibet,Pokerstars,PaddyPower are even harder to bonus than they used to be.
 

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here on the forums it's advocated it's all random, genuine, blabla, on the other hand year in year out players KEEP falling for it. Imagine one month no deposits to any big casino; they'll be in panic and suddenly RTP's can go up!

Really vote with your wallet. Report the scamming affiliates on youtube with their 100k buys. Stick close to casino's who do right, as in not being greedy as f.
 

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here on the forums it's advocated it's all random, genuine, blabla, on the other hand year in year out players KEEP falling for it. Imagine one month no deposits to any big casino; they'll be in panic and suddenly RTP's can go up!

Really vote with your wallet. Report the scamming affiliates on youtube with their 100k buys. Stick close to casino's who do right, as in not being greedy as f.
So are you going to back up your earlier claims with any evidence like you said you would?
 

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But that makes no sense in this scenario. If the RTP is lower then the provider makes more money, so surely if they did put some restrictions on while the casino was building up a track record, then it would be a lower RTP than higher. So the provider makes more from new customers, and then less for loyal ones.
It would be like your loyalty prices being higher rather than lower.
It might not make sense from one perspective but from a business perspective it makes total sense. Example the way our clients can lock into better product price points is by showing longevity and sustained growth in sales. That is part of the insentive to building long lasting partnerships.

Example 2 : We have a new client - shows promise , has everything set up in the right way and has understanding of our product they will purchase. But they have no sales. No track record. They will pay the highest purchase point in most cases. When volume grows and sales show sustainabilty then discounts will be offered.

And a lower RTP is similar to offering a casino a discounted rate - its just the player pays for it over time. From a Producers perspective it makes sense to give an insentive to push there own products to be able to secure a lower longer term price point. RTP is just another commodity. The more you sell the lower the price you will be able to purchase that commodity for. That is the way business works like it or not.
 
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