Tips Reduced Slot RTP's - How YOU Are Affected!

[philderby]

Glad to say it doesn't affect me. I stopped playing months ago and found some non gambling hobbies. All this SOW and reduced RTPs makes me wonder why folk carry on in the UK. Its not for me anymore. Each to their own and all that

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[SCATT3R]

The difference in feature triggering is very noticable even if 94% or 96% doesn't sound like much. I've played Great Rhino Megaways a great deal lately and over 15,000 spins on a 96.64 version, I've landed more than 1 feature pr 100 spins on average while the other day I was playing on a 94 version and over 800 spins, the feature landed once!! Maybe those are two extremes, but still says a lot about what we have to endure playing these new, even greedier versions.

 

[jasonuk]

We're in a dangerous phase - both regulated and unregulated - where players need to understand this isn't "bad luck", and they're not "playing the same game" anymore. I'm sure the the following table is obvious to many, but I think it's worth stressing again for guests and newer players alike - if your 96% sessions last on average an hour, at 92% this will be 30 minutes, and at 88% this will be 20 minutes... it's not the same game despite having the same graphics and name, and at average luck you will lose significantly faster. The only way the operators will learn is if people vote with their wallets.

Historically, promotions would have taken some of the sting out of the RTP as well - so that 4% house edge may have been closer to 2-3%... but as those are rapidly drying up, we have a double whammy - e.g. in the case of William Hill we now have 88% machines in the wild online, so potentially you're losing money three (at RTP) to six (at RTP+promotions) times faster than before!

Return To Player (RTP)	House Edge	Wagering to lose £100
98%	2%	£5000 = £100/0.02
97%	3%	£3,333
96%	4%	£2500
94%	6%	£1666
92%	8%	£1250
90%	10%	£1000
88%	12%	£833

This screen shot is from new Netent called codex of fortune. I just can't understand. As we see game informs that theoretical RTP-range inside the game is 8%. If game has solid RTP and no other versions in the markets it sounds really strange. 8% range just depending on what tactics you use. I cannot believe that.

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I appreciate this is from last year, but since the thread has resurfaced...

Codex of Fortune is a stored value variation of Turn Your Fortune (96.4% original) - since there's player strategy involved they have to declare the RTP range:

• I would expect 90.2% to be the basic RTP excluding keys (people don't play enough to earn one, or forget to use them)
• Similarly, 98.0% will be the RTP with optimal usage of keys (that is, saving them up for the biggest triggers - of course you have to play a couple of thousand spins to get enough keys, and will have the highest volatility)

It was one of a variety of strategies deployed to offer Schrödinger's RTP - higher headline RTPs and lower realised RTPs... because the higher RTP only comes about if you complete the climb correctly, if not that stored value can go to waste (whether expiry in-game, or lost when the account is closed or game is redeployed by the casino).

 

[plasticnote]

Unfortunately, some of us can only play at unregulated sites.
I have noticed obvious differences even if some games claim to be 97%...
In the past few months, it is too often that I went through 800 to 1000 spins across 3 or 4 games (low,mid variance) without a feature and their claimed RTPs are all 97+%...
I start thinking, could I really trust these small providers' RTP claim when their games are often only appearing on unregulated sites?
It is most likely they are trying milk as much as possible when players vote with their wallets.
Worse RTP and less players, a death spiral...

For example:
"lucky lady moon", the game profile on the provider website only mentions 1 RTP - 97%
However, I found out that I played a version of 87.5%...

 

[LoopsterAU]

Being in AU we can only play unregulated and up until 2 months ago when I stopped playing all together the previous 6 months before that had such a noticeable difference in playtime between all providers despite listing full RTP that it finally made me so sick of playing to lose that I have completely stopped playing any where.

Previously sure I would have massive withdrawals plenty of times but over time they would all go back in plus a lot more and I was a very heavy depositor, now because of their greed they have lost one of their biggest depositors, and I am sure its occurred with plenty of other depositors like me.

As the comment above me said, "Worse RTP and less players, a death spiral".

Us players who would win big would eventually lose due to greed and wanting to win more, now it is the opposite, the greed is on the casino's side so they will lose all the players.

 

[plasticnote]

Being in AU we can only play unregulated and up until 2 months ago when I stopped playing all together the previous 6 months before that had such a noticeable difference in playtime between all providers despite listing full RTP that it finally made me so sick of playing to lose that I have completely stopped playing any where.

Previously sure I would have massive withdrawals plenty of times but over time they would all go back in plus a lot more and I was a very heavy depositor, now because of their greed they have lost one of their biggest depositors, and I am sure its occurred with plenty of other depositors like me.

As the comment above me said, "Worse RTP and less players, a death spiral".

Us players who would win big would eventually lose due to greed and wanting to win more, now it is the opposite, the greed is on the casino's side so they will lose all the players.

Unregulated crypto sites face no tax pressure, reducing RTP as much as they can...

They want your money; they want it now... not after lunch, not tomorrow, they want it now

They do not care about their future market as they well may not exist tomorrow or even after lunch...

 

[slot_zombie]

A little something to give UK casino managers running on 94% a heart attack, over at Stake

I'm loving this game, the OVER MAX RTP feels like it makes a big difference.

 

[LoopsterAU]

A little something to give UK casino managers running on 94% a heart attack, over at Stake

I'm loving this game, the OVER MAX RTP feels like it makes a big difference.

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So they have given you the streamer RTP version to your account to bait you in for a while ?

 

[satchnz]

A little something to give UK casino managers running on 94% a heart attack, over at Stake

I'm loving this game, the OVER MAX RTP feels like it makes a big difference.

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This is great to see but is it legit? I thought the max RTP for Dog House MW was 96.55%.

 

[toms596]

Shows as 96.55% when I checked it on Stake

I see it now it's for Stake exclusive Dog Mansion Megaways

 

[slot_zombie]

This is great to see but is it legit? I thought the max RTP for Dog House MW was 96.55%.

They made a special edition for Stake running at 98%.

 

[slot_zombie]

Shows as 96.55% when I checked it on Stake

You need to select Dog Mansion Megaways which is the stake enhanced RTP version

 

[slot_zombie]

So they have given you the streamer RTP version to your account to bait you in for a while ?

I'll take it.

 

[satchnz]

They made a special edition for Stake running at 98%.

Interesting…

 

[Lemon]

I'd still lose heavily on it. That slot hates me ?

 

[brianmon]

A little something to give UK casino managers running on 94% a heart attack, over at Stake

I'm loving this game, the OVER MAX RTP feels like it makes a big difference.

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They can state whatever RTP they want to. It's not like it will need to be certified by any regulatory body

 

[brookemcallan]

OK, we know for the last 18 months developers have been coaxed to provide alternative (invariably lower!) maths models to online casinos. Generally they have and should inform you of product changes, although not always and in the case of Coral, having slots with nerfed RTP's that were not reflected in the game list RTP's which claimed the higher factory settings.
I think that when players see a reduction of say 2% from 96 to 94% they see the difference as not that significant. Alas, it is and very much so as when you take into account recycling of winnings, that figure has an exponential effect on your average playtime. In this example, by around 30%!!

We all have our 'usual' deposit amounts and stakes, say £50 at 40p spins. Obviously there's no accounting here for variance, just the long term fact that every spin will on average cost you 4% of its value, the house edge on a 96% slot. This video explains how my RTP spin calculator works and how to simply enter your deposit, stake and RTP of your chosen game to compare average playtime/spin quantities you can expect.

*Disclaimer - for now this is embedded in a specific page on my website which as you will see, as an approved CM webmeister, I always have an indirect link to in my signature anyway. I will however, endeavour to get this embedded in a post in this thread if possible ASAP so forum members can use it from the forum!

**This video is not age-gated as it's news/informational and has no gambling involved.

1000% agree I've been fighting this behind the scenes THE GAMES ARE DEFO SOMEHOW CHANGED AFTER A CLIENT WITHDRAWS MORESO AND YES THE RTPS HAVE BEEN BELOW 50 AT SOME TIMES OF TESTING BUT NOTHING CONCRETE YET

 

[slot_zombie]

Luck Of The Irish Big Bonus rolled out today from Blueprint, the third title in a row to be on a cemented 94.5%.

Won't be playing their games from now on as it's fixed at that even on the crypto sites.

 

[megadam]

Luck Of The Irish Big Bonus rolled out today from Blueprint, the third title in a row to be on a cemented 94.5%.

Won't be playing their games from now on as it's fixed at that even on the crypto sites.

Really? I've seen this on Leo and Mr Q at 95.5%

 

[justdoit]

for me best RTP VirginGaming I just wish they add some more good games
I am up over 2k since I open account back in 2018

 

[slot_zombie]

I'm loving these over Max RTP Pragmatics. Actually more than 98% RTP when rakeback is taken into account.

Buffalo King aka Bison Spirit is now up at 98% RTP

 

[satchnz]

I'm loving these over Max RTP Pragmatics. Actually more than 98% RTP when rakeback is taken into account.

Buffalo King aka Bison Spirit is now up at 98% RTP

Would you stop bragging please! Some of us cannot play there! ?

 

[slot_zombie]

Would you stop bragging please! Some of us cannot play there! ?

Well as a crusader for top RTP it's only fair to let folks know what's out there..

A note of caution tho, so far only the highest variance games have been re-released on these settings. Yet to see anything with a 5000x cap. So you can still get a really rough ride on them on a bad day.

If Doors Of Olympus ever sees the light of day, I'll never leave the house again..

 

[satchnz]

Loving he name variations.

 

[justdoit]

Would you stop bragging please! Some of us cannot play there! ?

98 % RTP not for everyone, is just streamers RTP ?