Redbet is doing well

[rainmaker]

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Redbet Holding presented their half year report on Friday. It is looking good. Especially their casinos are doing very well.


I see that 45% of their revenues came from the casino section (30% last year). I guess this is a trend we have seen for several years where bookmakers in general are focusing more and more on casino.

Registered customers went from 198 274 to 346 090, while 43 376 of them were active customers compared to 20 953 in the same period last year.

Their new Quickfire (Microgaming) casino was mentioned since it just recently has been launched. It was also said that more products will be added to their relativly new mobile casino.

Revenues went up to 24,5 Mkr from 15,4 Mkr last year (+59%). Operating profit went from -1,6 Mkr to 0,5 Mkr.

Brands: Redbet, Whitebet, Heypoker, Optibet, Total Poker and Gold Club Casino.

(I did not bother to post a link to the report since it is only available in Swedish )

 

[Balthazar]

Operating profit went from -1,6 Mkr to 0,5 Mkr.

They were in the red? (no pun intented).

 

[rainmaker]

They were in the red? (no pun intented).

Yes, they were in red. I think they for a while there struggled with some high costs and bad poker market (damn consultants) . But they have managed to turn around again. It should be mentioned that Redbet has been around for over 10 years, so they have become a solid company. It is also a good thing that they now are focusing more on Casino and less on Poker.

 

[ao3004]

Redbet became one of the best casinos around... they pay very fast ( withdrawals are mostly instantly approved by livechat if you ask them ) and they always got some nice promos running

 

[rainmaker]

Redbet became one of the best casinos around... they pay very fast ( withdrawals are mostly instantly approved by livechat if you ask them ) and they always got some nice promos running

I agree with you. They are truly one of the best NetEnt casinos out there (+ their new Casino Blue is great). My personal favorite is Nordicbet, but Redbet is certainly in the same league as Nordicbet - 100% safe and trustworthy

 

[rainmaker]

Just a question for you guys who are using Redbet. I am just curious about which welcome bonus you selected/found most attractive on your first deposit ?

(I went for alternative 2 - 100% up to 200 when I did my first deposit earlier this year).

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just a question for you guys who are using Redbet. I am just curious about which welcome bonus you selected/found most attractive on your first deposit ?

(I went for alternative 2 - 100% up to 200 when I did my first deposit earlier this year).

I went with Option 2 and took the full 200EUR match.

Didn't do me any good, busted out a country mile before meeting the WR at fairly small stakes.

I'm sure a decent hit on a NetEnt slot is out there for me somewhere, (and a withdrawal from a NetEnt casino!), but I'll be buggered if I've had it yet

 

[Nate]

Redbet are a great outfit and are making positive strides. They are my Favourite Netent Casino.

Andy is very responsive and they pay quicker than almost all the NetEnt Casinos.

Good Job Andy and Redbet!

@Rainmaker - I think I also opted for the full bonus - Option 2. NetEnt offers Freespins and AFAIK they cannot alter the coin size so its always minimum.

Don't forget that if you deposit and play there are freespins everyday...

Nate

 

[rainmaker]

Looks like all of us went for the 100% up to EUR 200 bonus

What games have you been playing Chopley? I know you are a fan of high RTP%, so did you try Blood Suckers (98% theoretical return to player)?

Nate: Yeah, I have noticed that they are giving away 5 free spins every weekday for active customers, which is a nice gesture. I must honestly admit that I have forgot to claim them every time I have done a deposit hehe!

 

[refre]

I've read some great things about them!

Do you get any sort of perks for being a loyal player (other than freespins)?

Thanks!

Redbet are a great outfit and are making positive strides. They are my Favourite Netent Casino.

Andy is very responsive and they pay quicker than almost all the NetEnt Casinos.

Good Job Andy and Redbet!

@Rainmaker - I think I also opted for the full bonus - Option 2. NetEnt offers Freespins and AFAIK they cannot alter the coin size so its always minimum.

Don't forget that if you deposit and play there are freespins everyday...

Nate

 

[rainmaker]

Do you get any sort of perks for being a loyal player (other than freespins)?

Thanks!

Let me just throw in their loyalty program

 

[refre]

Thanks Rainmaker!
That is certainly helpful, and may give an idea of what to expect.

First hand experiences are just as interesting though.
Many casinos have a hard time living up to the the description of their VIP program... not saying this is the case here though.

Thanks!

 

[rainmaker]

Thanks Rainmaker!
That is certainly helpful, and may give an idea of what to expect.

First hand experiences are just as interesting though.
Many casinos have a hard time living up to the the description of their VIP program... not saying this is the case here though.

Thanks!

I can at least confirm that I have got 10 free spins on new games and bonuses as described on level 2 (around EUR 200 dep/month)

 

[Nate]

Yeah thanks RainDanceMaker...

I was about to say what I get... but Rainmaker is very quick with all things NetEnt...

I always lose with bonuses on Netent for some reason.... So Even If I take one I bust out.

In any event, I made it to Gold ... didn't reach Platinum because I actually deposited very little there and won a lot...

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What games have you been playing Chopley? I know you are a fan of high RTP%, so did you try Blood Suckers (98% theoretical return to player)?

I mixed it around a bit but just didn't get any luck at all

I was hoping to get together a proper NetEnt video for my channel but TBH the whole session was so poor there was nothing to really edit together afterwards

There's no sour grapes on my part and I know I've just been unlucky with NetEnt up to now, the nature of gambling is that one must lose as well as win (and indeed, lose more than win).

The problem I'm having with repeat play at NetEnt casinos is the bonus offers are pretty poor for occasional players such as myself (dunno if regular players get better), UniBet sent me a fair few uninspiring offers over the last few weeks and then finally sent a 100% match offer but only to a fairly meagre 50EUR. Got some reasonable playtime on Dead Or Alive out of it but never came close to being in profit, meeting the WR, or hitting anything decent, and that was at 36C per spin. (And yes I do know that's a very high variance slot! )

I get fairly regular emails from Redbet but nothing that's motivating me to deposit again (20% match to a max of 50EUR.......). I realise that casinos aren't in the business of giving free money away, but it's fairly easy to engineer a bonus that delivers a decent wedge of bonus money but coupled to a WR that means the player isn't just going to walk away with sacks full of free cash.

I don't miss much from MG casinos, but I do miss the ease with which 100% match offers were available with a palatable WR (30xB is fair to both the player and the casino IMO).

Perhaps my 'play profile' is rather unusual, as much as anything I like to get playtime, and I don't mind 'buying' playtime via a bonus, even if it means I'm less likely to walk away with a profit at the end of it

 

[KasinoKing]

Looks like all of us went for the 100% up to EUR 200 bonus

I didn't!
I took Bonus 3: 50% up to €100 with 50 free-spins (though I only deposited €180 for a €90 bonus cos my Skrill account was getting low).
The free-spins were max lines at minimum coins on ANY slot - so I chose Alien Robots because every spin was 60c (meaning I got €30 worth of free spins). I got lucky, hit the free-spins and ended up with an extra €55.40 in bonus chips!

However, that didn't help me much as I still bust out a long way before making the WR

KK

 

[rainmaker]

However, that didn't help me much as I still bust out a long way before making the WR

Well...you should have done like the rest of us and selected alternative 2

 

[Redbet-Andy]

Hiya folks
I'm glad you brought this up as I really wanted to ask your opinions on this but didn't want to be cheeky and use casinomeister as a research tool - especially as we're still hoping for a BoF.
I think we need to redo the loyalty program at all levels - it's a bit vague at the moment and perhaps not generous enough.
Any ideas you can provide would be really great.
Same for loyalty programs, they're almost always rubbbish - anyone seen a good one I can cop... erm pay homage to?

Andy

 

[Nate]

Hiya folks
I'm glad you brought this up as I really wanted to ask your opinions on this but didn't want to be cheeky and use casinomeister as a research tool - especially as we're still hoping for a BoF.
I think we need to redo the loyalty program at all levels - it's a bit vague at the moment and perhaps not generous enough.
Any ideas you can provide would be really great.
Same for loyalty programs, they're almost always rubbbish - anyone seen a good one I can cop... erm pay homage to?

Andy

Hi Andy,

ALL NetEnt Casinos have horrible loyalty schemes - Kudos to you for getting our opinions. NetEnt generally do not reward their daily players with lots of bonuses and or comp points.

The best IMPO is the model 32Red have. I think approximately 3000 in wagering earns you a tenner and in addition to comp points they offer daily match bonuses. In comparison I need to wager close to 10 000 upwards at Nordicbet to get a tenner.

Other places just don't offer comp points and the bonuses are few and far between.

Nate

 

[refre]

I would like to be able to view my VIP level on your site.
I'm guessing I'm at the Gold level (I got 25 €0.2 free spins for the Beach slot), but I have not received any notification.

My apologies if this is displayed on your website, I couldn't find it though.

Thanks!

Freddy

 

[rainmaker]

Same for loyalty programs, they're almost always rubbbish - anyone seen a good one I can cop... erm pay homage to?

Just remember to remove any logo and replace it with Redbet


Great to see that you asking players for advise!

 

[Redbet-Andy]

Thanks Freddy.
No it isn't displayed, which is a a pain I know and we're on it..
We're going to fix that as soon as we can so that you know exactly where you are, and if you don't get what you should, when you should, then you can get in touch and get it sorted instantly.

Until then if you see an issue PM me and I'll fix it. Not a big issue in the scheme of things (we get very few complaints and deal with them quickly) and it tends to balance out, but I know that when it's your playing money if you don't get your rewards on time it's annoying (especially when your bankroll's out and you want a spin).
Obviously we try our best, but given that the rewards system is run semi-manually at the mo (specific times of the day/week) there will be a few players falling through the cracks (and others getting more than they should - and fair play to them).

Thanks again
Andy

I would like to be able to view my VIP level on your site.
I'm guessing I'm at the Gold level (I got 25 €0.2 free spins for the Beach slot), but I have not received any notification.

My apologies if this is displayed on your website, I couldn't find it though.

Thanks!

Freddy

 

[refre]

Thanks Andy.

I'm a fairly new player. It seems there's not a whole lot of info on your VIP program, so I'm not quite sure what to expect (in responce to " and if you don't get what you should, when you should, then you can get in touch and get it sorted instantly.")
Looking at the rewards chart, I was thinking you may review play once a month. Seing as you offer a monthly bonus.
But that may not be the case, according to you comments below.

How about writing a small FAQ for the rewards program?

Thanks!

Freddy

Thanks Freddy.
No it isn't displayed, which is a a pain I know and we're on it..
We're going to fix that as soon as we can so that you know exactly where you are, and if you don't get what you should, when you should, then you can get in touch and get it sorted instantly.

Until then if you see an issue PM me and I'll fix it. Not a big issue in the scheme of things (we get very few complaints and deal with them quickly) and it tends to balance out, but I know that when it's your playing money if you don't get your rewards on time it's annoying (especially when your bankroll's out and you want a spin).
Obviously we try our best, but given that the rewards system is run semi-manually at the mo (specific times of the day/week) there will be a few players falling through the cracks (and others getting more than they should - and fair play to them).

Thanks again
Andy

 

[Redbet-Andy]

Hi

it gets run every weekend at a minimum (or whenever we run a new bonus) usually twice a week, that's why it's generally accurate.
The new one won't need an FAQ the aim is to make it foolproof.
Cheers

Andy

Thanks Andy.

I'm a fairly new player. It seems there's not a whole lot of info on your VIP program, so I'm not quite sure what to expect (in responce to " and if you don't get what you should, when you should, then you can get in touch and get it sorted instantly.")
Looking at the rewards chart, I was thinking you may review play once a month. Seing as you offer a monthly bonus.
But that may not be the case, according to you comments below.

How about writing a small FAQ for the rewards program?

Thanks!

Freddy

 

[rainmaker]

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Article from igamingbusiness.com regarding Redbet's financial report:

Old / Expired Link

 

[The Viking]

Sorry but this loyalty program you guys got running looks pretty lame to me
so let me get this strait if you deposit $1900 and your not into taking bonus all you get is 10 free spins on a new game that might be worth $2 depending on the lines ?I think comp points would serve loyal player much better as $1900 would be worth a tad more then 2 bux

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Sorry but this loyalty program you guys got running looks pretty lame to me
so let me get this strait if you deposit $1900 and your not into taking bonus all you get is 10 free spins on a new game that might be worth $2 depending on the lines ?I think comp points would serve loyal player much better as $1900 would be worth a tad more then 2 bux

I agree on this Viking. It does not really show any rewarding that way. Compared to mention CWC. At least there after loosing 100$ they will have give a free chip. Or sometimes you get very nice chip with only 2x wagering. Not something I have seen at all from NetENT or Microgaming casinos. Maybe Redbet will be the first???

I am glad for Redbet though, that it is going so well. As I am also working, as affiliate for you guys.

But can see I am helping with your growth. As got a big shock when I checked my account statement.
19 larger deposits and still no withdrawal. Also only had good wins in one of the deposit session. Rest gone zip....

Compared to all the other NetENT casinos I play at. You are the one I have had worst playtime and winnings at (if you can call it winnings that is hehe)

This is not to complain or the usual looser speech. I just though I would give my experience :sob:

 

[rainmaker]

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I have a question!

Those of you who are playing at Redbet. Do you only use Redbet or do you occasionally also use their sister brands as well, for example Whitebet?

(I believe you only can claim one welcome bonus within the group).

 

[threescatters]

I also have had a good first experience with redbet.

I had never heard of them until rainmakers post here, and since I trust his judgement they are a good casino I thought I would give them a try as I hardly ever play netent games.

Deposited over the weekend.....took the option 2 bonus and then low rolled on video slots....I musta been one of the lucky ones cos I made the WR! lowrolled the whole way on video slots and got to the end... albeit with only a tiny balance lol. Anyway I thought to test the payment quickness and put my withdrawl in. Came through today so no problems there. Not only that but all the t+c was easy to find on the website and the whole system worked well. Big thumbs up from me and I hope they become accredited here.

One question, rainmaker said above you can only claim a sign up at one of their group....is this true redbet andy? I couldnt see this line in the t+c but I want to check. I've had such a good experience I am wanting to try again!

 

[rainmaker]

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Great to see that you had a good first experience with Redbet

I am sure Andy will reply to your question, but this is the rule I was talking about:

Redbet Gaming Ltd reserves the right to void bonuses and winnings if the customer or any person in the customers household has previously received a similar or equal bonus on one of our other brands. This applies to both sportsbetting and casino bonuses.

It means (as I understand it) that you can not claim a new welcome bonus at for example Withebet if you already have claimed a welcome bonus at Redbet.

Please correct me Redbet-Andy

 

[Nate]

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I have a question!

Those of you who are playing at Redbet. Do you only use Redbet or do you occasionally also use their sister brands as well, for example Whitebet?

(I believe you only can claim one welcome bonus within the group).

I did not know they had a sister Casino until I saw this thread. I signed up and contacted Live Help about claiming the Welcome Bonus. I was told I could....

At a later stage, the same agent happened to be on Chat after I had deposited and claimed the bonus. The Agent advised me that he had made an Error and that I was only allowed to claim it at One Site, but given the nature of the circumstances (he said I could), I was allowed to keep it ..

In any event, I like the layout of Whitebet - Just like Redbet and there are no issues with them either.

Nate

 

[threescatters]

Thanks for the replies rainmaker and nate.

I hadnt seen that line before rainmaker, thanks for the copy paste - looks pretty much like a no but thats fair enough, i'll just stick to redbet then if i fancy netent games.

 

[rainmaker]

Thanks for the replies rainmaker and nate.

I hadnt seen that line before rainmaker, thanks for the copy paste - looks pretty much like a no but thats fair enough, i'll just stick to redbet then if i fancy netent games.

It is listed under General Bonus Terms in their General T&C. But these bonus rules are not easy to find as they are the bottom of their T&C. Redbet may want to make them more visible

 

[rainmaker]

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Just a quick heads. Redbet Holding has now has changed its name to Nordic Leisure.

This only means that all references on redbet.com (and other brands) to Redbet Holding have been changed to Nordic Leisure. For example at the bottom of the page where it now says "Redbet Gaming Ltd is part of the Nordic Leisure group".

They have done it to avoid confusion between redbet.com and Redbet Holding as people have a tendency to mix these together.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A thumbs-up for Redbet from me

Last week I got a PM from Andy offering me an NDB and a match-up bonus at Redbet if I'd let him know my user ID at the casino. I hadn't asked him for anything, he was just responding to a post I'd made on the forums that I was finding their email offers pretty uninspiring and wasn't much motivated to deposit there again. (I deposited the full 200EUR for their 100% 200EUR SUB and busted out a country mile before getting anywhere close to meeting the WR, it was a bit of a tawdry session, truth be told.)

I thanked him for this offer, passed on my user ID and indeed he did come back to me with an NDB and a decent bonus offer with a sensible WR. The NDB in particular was far more generous than I was expecting, with a fair WR attached.

So I set about the NetEnt slots at Redbet and finally had that nice little run on NetEnt slots that has completely eluded me up to now.

Nothing massively exciting stakes wise, just my usual low-rolling at 30-60cents per spin, and nothing overly exciting wins wise, although there were quite a few hits in the region of 100x stake, and a nice 125x stake hit on Starburst.

I got decent sessions out of Dead or Alive, Starburst, Beach (this one is growing on me), Jack & The Beanstalk (I love this slot, the free spins round is genius), Zombies, Mega Fortune (got to have a go haven't you ) and Thunderfist.

Was able to make a withdrawal of 300EUR from the NDB after meeting the WR, and as soon as that is paid I'll be depositing straight back in to have another play there.

Needless to say this level of service from Redbet and Andy has much impressed me. He didn't have to contact me and offer me an NDB or a bonus, and TBH I wasn't expecting to meet the WR on the NDB, but I did appreciate the gesture. In fact, having taken the NDB, I'd already pre-loaded the card I use to fund my Neteller account with 200EUR in anticipation of busting out on the NDB so that I could immediately deposit to take advantage of the bonus offer he'd sent me, but as it turns out that isn't required at this time.

Point being, with this proactive customer service Andy has basically got Redbet a customer for the foreseeable future. Whenever I fancy playing NetEnt slots from now on, Redbet will get my deposits, simple as that. No doubt all my sessions won't be as lucky as this one has been (it was a fair few hours play spread over two evenings), but I don't mind bad luck, that happens with gambling, I do however appreciate good, active, responsive customer service from a casino and those are the casinos who get my money.

If my experience is indicative of how Redbet generally do business, then it's no surprise to me that they're doing well

 

[rainmaker]

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Thanks for sharing your experience ChopleyIOM and congratulations on your withdrawal from the ND bonus

Nice to see that you finally had a good NetEnt run. Hope to see some more NetEnt games on your Youtube channel as well

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nice to see that you finally had a good NetEnt run. Hope to see some more NetEnt games on your Youtube channel as well

Yeah that's definitely the plan, next up for the channel is a proper edited together NetEnt session, I was intending to do that with my first RedBet deposit but TBH it was so dismal there wasn't much to really edit together afterwards (And the last NetEnt videos I did before that were prior to me getting Sony Vegas Movie Studio, so they were just straight uploads from my phone rather than any sort of proper edited together 'presentation'.)

I'm still in a kind of 'low intensity' online gaming phase at the moment though, after a few mad months earlier this year But I think I'll dust the old camera off, take the bonus offer that Andy sent me, and finally give NetEnt slots the full 'Chopley Treatment' in the next couple of weeks - although I make it sound better than it is there, as in all honesty that just involves me drinking too much wine and gibbering in front of my PC, whilst listening to overly loud trance.

But yes, it was nice to get a decent run on NetEnt slots, they always 'felt' capable of it but it just hadn't happened up to now

 

[threescatters]

I have made a few deposits now and unfortunately am losing at redbet but it does not bother me, my experiences continue to be positive....

I think their WR on their bonuses is fair (35x bonus and max 5 euro bet are reasonable imo) and when I did manage to make a withdrawl it was paid extremely fast. Since I started playing there they have offered me bonuses every weekend and live support has been helpful.

Infact I have enjoyed it so much I have preemptively sent in my ID to be verified as I can see myself making this my no 1 netent casino - and I never found one I really really liked before! (although to be fair, unibet and mrgreen are both decent)

 

[Redbet-Andy]

Aww thanks folks.
Can I just point out for future reference that if I give you a bonus you're not actually supposed to bloody well win with it!

Andy

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Awesome stuff, Redbet paid me overnight and the money is in my Neteller account, so that's under 12 hours for a payout, overnight Friday-Saturday

No fuss, no hassle.

(It may have been a lot quicker than that, I don't know exactly when the payment was made.)

Aww thanks folks.
Can I just point out for future reference that if I give you a bonus you're not actually supposed to bloody well win with it!

Andy

Sorry about that

If it's any consolation I've immediately gone back and deposited 200EUR to carry on playing with Plus Redbet are the only Netent casino for me from now on.

If we work on the assumption that all Netent slots play the same at any casino running their software, then it comes down to choosing the casino based on their service, payouts, transparency with their customers etc.

So as it is with MG there's no reason to play anywhere other than 32Red (not that I play MG any more), for Netent games I now don't see the reason to play anywhere other than Redbet.

 

[rainmaker]

If it's any consolation I've immediately gone back and deposited 200EUR to carry on playing with Plus Redbet are the only Netent casino for me from now on.

Good luck with your play! As I mentioned in a jackpot thread. The jackpot on Super Lucky Frog is over €60 000 at Redbet, so I would definitely have tried some €0.25 spins on that game. Although it has a very low RTP compared to other NetEnt games.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Boo!

Triggered the jackpot round, had never seen it before so wasn't sure if triggering it guaranteed me at least the FROGGY jackpot.

Not the case though, as the red segments on the wheel quickly made clear!

93% is a very low RTP for a NetEnt slot but since I've redeposited from my winnings on the NDB I may as well lump away at it for a bit!

 

[rainmaker]

Boo!

Triggered the jackpot round, had never seen it before so wasn't sure if triggering it guaranteed me at least the FROGGY jackpot.

Not the case though, as the red segments on the wheel quickly made clear!

93% is a very low RTP for a NetEnt slot but since I've redeposited from my winnings on the NDB I may as well lump away at it for a bit!

Yeah, it is low RTP. It is the kind of game where you most likely only will profit if you win one of the jackpots. It always eats my money when I play, but I have also hit the Lucky Jackpot at around €1000 on a 0.25 bet before (think it was at Nordicbet). Also had the Froggy Jackpot a couple of times. The Lucky Jackpot at Redbet is over €2000 which also is a decent amount.

Hope to see a Jackpot screenshot

 

[Redbet-Andy]

Hope to see a Jackpot screenshot

Me too! Especially as that doesn't come out of our pocket.
Go on Chopley!
To be fair anyone who can put up with that slot for more than a few spins deserves a jackpot.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I've had the wheel bonus about ten times already, (put a fair few hundred spins through it), needless to say it's landed in red every time.

Outside of the wheel bonus round it's not the most exciting slot in the world, to say the least. NetEnt have far better slots than this to play so I think I'll move on to something else for now

I think it's probably the kind of slot to just chuck the odd hundred spins at here and there, a bit like Tunzamunni.

I've only lost about 30 euros on it though playing 50 cent spins, so it hasn't hurt my bankroll too much.

 

[Balthazar]

Well I've had the wheel bonus about ten times already, (put a fair few hundred spins through it), needless to say it's landed in red every time.

Outside of the wheel bonus round it's not the most exciting slot in the world, to say the least. NetEnt have far better slots than this to play so I think I'll move on to something else for now

I think it's probably the kind of slot to just chuck the odd hundred spins at here and there, a bit like Tunzamunni.

I've only lost about 30 euros on it though playing 50 cent spins, so it hasn't hurt my bankroll too much.

Don't spoil the outcome though, a lot of people (including myself) are waiting for the video

 

[rainmaker]

I've only lost about 30 euros on it though playing 50 cent spins, so it hasn't hurt my bankroll too much.

.50 is too high on this one Chopley. No need to go higher than .25 as I think you have the same chance of hitting the jackpot

Balthazar: Yeah...I am also looking forward to his next video. NetEnt or not, I always enjoy his videos

 

[deucebag]

.50 is too high on this one Chopley. No need to go higher than .25 as you have the same chance of hitting the jackpot

I highly doubt it. On any progressive slot, the chance of hitting the jackpot increases with increasing bet size. Just because NetEnt "forgot" to put that in the paytable, doesn't mean it isn't so. A certain percentage of each bet goes into the jackpot. Larger bets pay more into the jackpot per spin, and therefore have a proportioanally greater chance of hitting the jackpot.

Search Dogboy's old posts on the subject. He explained why it's impossible to have it any other way.

If Redbet Andy wants to make a real contribution to the forum, I challenge him to reveal the following information:

1) The percentage of each bet that goes into the jackpots
2) The probability of hitting each jackpot by bet size

If a casino cares at all about transparency, this type of information should be made available. IMO it's equally important as RTP. Unfortunately, I suspect the odds of hitting jackpots are far longer than the casinos care to reveal. That's why they don't put it in the paytable or help files.

 

[rainmaker]

I highly doubt it. On any progressive slot, the chance of hitting the jackpot increases with increasing bet size. Just because NetEnt "forgot" to put that in the paytable, doesn't mean it isn't so. A certain percentage of each bet goes into the jackpot. Larger bets pay more into the jackpot per spin, and therefore have a proportioanally greater chance of hitting the jackpot.

Search Dogboy's old posts on the subject. He explained why it's impossible to have it any other way.

Yea my opinion is based on the paytable that is available to players, so I can not argue with you on this one as I have no other inside information (or knowledge about this subject). If anybody has evidence of something else, then please feel free to share. Until then I will assume that you have the same chance of hitting the jackpot regardless of bet size on this game

If Redbet Andy wants to make a real contribution to the forum, I challenge him to reveal the following information:

1) The percentage of each bet that goes into the jackpots
2) The probability of hitting each jackpot by bet size

If a casino cares at all about transparency, this type of information should be made available. IMO it's equally important as RTP. Unfortunately, I suspect the odds of hitting jackpots are far longer than the casinos care to reveal. That's why they don't put it in the paytable or help files.

I think that Andy already is contributing a lot on this forum. He has proven to be a very helpful guy that certainly is listening to players based on feedback on this forum. Not sure if we really can expect that he reveals the information you are asking about. Not sure if he even knows the answers himself.

 

[deucebag]

Yea my opinion is based on the paytable that is available to players, so I can not argue with you on this one as I have no other inside information (or knowledge about this subject). If anybody has evidence of something else, then please feel free to share. Until then I will assume that you have the same chance of hitting the jackpot regardless of bet size on this game

You are of course free to base your assumption on thin air if it were so, but personally I tend to listen when people who make a living out of designing slot machines explain how they work. What bothers me is that you're posting this information as if it were fact, when it really is unfounded speculation which goes against common knowledge of how progressive slots work.

I think that Andy already is contributing a lot on this forum. He has proven to be a very helpful guy that certainly is listening to players based on feedback on this forum. Not sure if we really can expect that he reveals the information you are asking about. Not sure if he even knows the answers himself.

I agree that Andy is seems like a competent man who is willing to listen to players. That's why I'm asking. Maybe he could even make a request to NetEnt to put this information in paytables/help files for progressive slots?

On just about any lottery in the world, the odds of hitting is made public. Why should it be any different for progressive slots? I don't think any players would be against having this information.