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Really Strange IGT VP Win? Or not?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by katodog, Dec 29, 2008.

    Dec 29, 2008
  1. katodog

    katodog Experienced Member

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    My buddy sent this to me and said he held 2 deuces. Look at what came up. Is this given to you automatically? I find it hard to believe it was random.


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  2. Dec 29, 2008
  3. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    You will also notice that the remaining 2 deuces were given in the same order. I dont believe they are random.
     
  4. Dec 29, 2008
  5. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    Wow !!! Random Games huh...:rolleyes::eek2:

    I agree with Chu, it sure don't look too random to me either...katodog, what casino was your buddy playing at when he hit this ??
     
  6. Dec 29, 2008
  7. 1819

    1819 Dormant account

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    he held the 2's and hit draw for whatever reason. if it was pat all the 5th cards would be the same. they are not.
     
  8. Dec 30, 2008
  9. Pocketdiggers77

    Pocketdiggers77 Gamester

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    But according to the screen shot he only held two deuces and drew four deuces on five hands in the exact same order. Someone want to calculate the odds on that? They have to be phenomenal. I vote rigged.
     
  10. Dec 30, 2008
  11. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I copied these posts into here for discussion cos its one of the oddest things I've ever seen if it's what it says it is. My thought initially was "doctored screenshot" but i'm not sure it is now looking at the reflections.

    Although if i was a betting man ( ;) ) I'd say the 4 deuces came up pat and the two "Held" indicators either didn't stick (malfunction) or have been cleverly removed for a bit of fun! And what are the little "20" symbols in the bottom left corner of each hand?

    Fishy IMO :D

    In fact the more i think about it, the reflections don't seem logical. Speculations?
     
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  12. Dec 30, 2008
  13. 1819

    1819 Dormant account

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    my mistake. i was looking at the cards themselves for the "hold." have seen plenty of pat wins but never a "drawn pat." lol.
     
  14. Dec 30, 2008
  15. katodog

    katodog Experienced Member

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    I know this guy very well.This is legit.He and his dad were playing at TIoga (sp) Racino in NY state. His dad took the pic. I asked him 10 times if he was dealt that. He said "no..I held 2 deuces and thats what came up.This is 120 percent legit!
     
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  16. Dec 30, 2008
  17. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I reckon the chances of that would be 1/47 * 1/46 to the power of 5, but I'm no mathematician.


    By the way - slightly on-topic - here's a pat 4 deuces I got at the Venetian in Macau last month on Double Bonus poker :D
     
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  18. Dec 30, 2008
  19. katodog

    katodog Experienced Member

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    I just want an explanation for this. Was it an error by the machine? Was it a machine that maybe gives it to you automatically? I don't know. The odds of it being random like that are incalculable.
     
  20. Dec 30, 2008
  21. katodog

    katodog Experienced Member

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    The 20's I believe are "20" coins per hand.Story is definately legit! His father (my boss and owner of the company I work for has confirmed this is how it happened.
     
  22. Dec 30, 2008
  23. lancia

    lancia Full Member

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    I think the probability of this happening is (45/47 X 1/46 X 1/45) to the 5th power or 2.117E-17. That is, in the first position must be a card other than one of the remaining two deuces, so because 45 of the 47 remaining cards are non-deuces, the probability is 45/47. In the fourth position must be the one card, the deuce of hearts, so the probability is 1 divided by the remaining number of cards or 1/46. And in the last position must be the one card, the deuce of clubs, so the probability is 1 divided by the remaining number of cards or 1/45.

    Now, the fourth position could have been occupied by the deuce of clubs and the last by the deuce of hearts in all 5 hands, and that too would have the same probability. So, the probability of exactly the same order of 4 deuces in positions 2, 3, 4, and 5, given a pair of deuces in their present positions on the draw, would be 2 X 45/47 X 1/46 X 1/45 to the 5th power or 4.234E-17, which equals 0.00000000000000004234.
     
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  24. Dec 30, 2008
  25. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    Something is odd.
    The win should be 20000, and not 13255 for 5 times 4 deuces.
    It seems to be 20 coins per hand. Then the paytable would be (for standard five coins per hand):
    2500
    1000
    125
    75
    50
    20
    20
    15
    10
    5
    for a payout of 98,74%.
    The odds for getting the remaining two deuces in the same order in the same position (card# 4,5) and getting the 3 of diamonds to card#1 in two hands are astronomical, I did not even bother to calculate it, as the win amount seems to be odd as well.
    I would rather vote for some kind of display error, just like if not the two deuces were held, but it still does not explain the win amount.
    I think we can't explain it only seeing the screenshot itself.
     
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  26. Dec 30, 2008
  27. katodog

    katodog Experienced Member

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    Actually he told me the pic was taken while the machine was "counting up". I asked the same thing. It was 5 winning hands x 4000 coins each.
    For 20,000 coins.
     
  28. Dec 30, 2008
  29. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    I see. Thanks for the info. In that case the most likely explanation is a display error. Actually I believe he was dealt 4 deuces, but probably only 2 were displayed while 4 were auto-held. But after the draw all 4 auto-held deuces were displayed correctly. You might get 4 deuces for all 5 hands once in a lifetime when holding only 2, but not in the same order and position, that is simply impossible for a human being.
     
  30. Dec 30, 2008
  31. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Yes, I understand that it was not pat. However, you will notice that for all the 5 hands, the drawn deuces are arranged in the same order throughout the 5 hands whereas if they were random they could go anywhere in the remaining 3 slots. The added possibility of this happening is 1/6x6x6x6x6 =
    1 in a 7776 chance not to mention the faint chances of redrawing 2 deuces out of 3 cards on 5 hands.
     
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  32. Dec 30, 2008
  33. katodog

    katodog Experienced Member

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    I can agree with that. That is a reasonable explanation.But its just weird.
     
  34. Dec 30, 2008
  35. katodog

    katodog Experienced Member

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    I'll ask him tomorrow if the game had auto-hold. The way he explained it I was under the impression that he had to press hold manually. I'll ask him.
     
  36. Dec 30, 2008
  37. gerilege

    gerilege Meister Member PABnorogue PABrogue

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    I will calculate the probability tomorrow if that game does not have autohold.
    If it has, but he still held some of the cards manually as well, then there's a second possible explanation.
     
  38. Dec 30, 2008
  39. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    Looks like dealt pat deuces. However, if not.... Crazy weird if operating on RNG. While I've seen a card or two repeat in order on multiplay, never, ever, have I seen all hands duplicate multiple cards in the same order.

    Are these racino slots/VP by chance bingo based machines? Or those silly VLT machines? (Damn things are rigged if you ask me. **mutter mutter mumble grumble**) They can turn up some really weird hands when it's your 'turn' to win.
     

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