RE: Banning Canadians Casinos should be carefull

[darkpixie]

I think alot of casinos are putting the cart before the horse here in thier banning of Canadian players purely based on proxiamaty (sp?) to the states. As a proud canadian I would need a darned good reason to return to a casino that has banned me in the past simply for being next to the USA. Give us some hard evidence that this is neccessary and I may change my mind.

 

[frufrugirl]

Did I miss something? Where did you get that idea? I dont think a Casino would risk shutting itself down with the additional lost revenue for that reason . Something, eminating from Canada's government, is causing this reaction. I havent heard anything about Mexico being banned!

 

[amatrine]

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Mexico banned? Naa, Chavez probably owns a few rouged sites of his own,lol

Ama

 

[tennis_balls]

Mexico banned? Naa, Chavez probably owns a few rouged sites of his own,lol

Ama

Chavez? Mexico?

when did Venezuela invade Mexico? they must have a bigger navy than I thought?

 

[lojo]

I think they invaded Mexico City by

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[amatrine]

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ooops,...lol

Who runs Mexico now?

Ama

 

[darkpixie]

Can you please provide me with the proof that the Canadian government is making moves to bad online gambling? I live here and keep pretty up to date on that sort of thing and I haven't heard our government mention a thing.

 

[lojo]

It may not be the government, per se, but pressures on financial institutions to stop servicing Canada leaving you in the same sorry state as the US.

Remember, it is not illegal for me to gamble online, nor to deposit or withdraw. But it is very difficult and potentially risky to my money. I hope the same doesn't occur for you.

 

[darkpixie]

I bank and do gambling transactions via a few different banking institutions, including credit cards, so far no one has said a thing about it.

 

[dominique]

The Canadian government doesn't have to do anything. The US government will not let Canadian banks trade in US dollars if they allow gambling funds to go through their banks.

The only banks that don't care about that are very small local banks. Most banks need to trade in US dollars.

This is how come the pressure is felt world wide.

 

[java1980]

i would say, i am a free canadian. us should control there state and must stop interfering with other countries . in other words. screw ....... mind your own business

 

[lojo]

Absolutely!!! ^

 

[Pinababy69]

As far as I know, there is no anti-gaming legislation on the books, or in the works...in Ontario, or Canada period. Except for the one banning advertising for online casinos/poker rooms here in Ontario. And a lot of good that one has done, as I still see tons of ads, mostly late night, for assorted poker rooms.

After everything that happened in the US, I made it a point to start questioning my politicians as to their stance on the legality of gaming, specifically in Ontario. That's where I reside and from my understanding, each province would be responsible for drafting/passing their own laws.

At the current time, our government in Ontario is Liberal, but I have a feeling that may change come next election. So I went to the leader of the Provincial Progressive Conservative Party (John Tory), and at the time I was making noise, they were holding a by-election in my riding. His office was only too happy to set up a meeting with him, and he came to my house. We had a pretty good discussion about the whole online gaming thing and in particular the US situation. He assured me (I know, politicians are master liars) that neither the present government, nor his party, have any interest in banning online gaming in Ontario. And he wasn't aware of anything in the works federally either. He was extremely well versed on the whole subject, so I can only assume he has a top notch research staff who prepped him well.

He asked if I'd like to come work on his campaign when election time draws near...and if I'm feeling up to it, I just may do that. It's one way to keep my finger on the pulse of what's going on up here. For the time being, I really don't think the government has anything to do with the few casinos (and Neteller) that have decided to pull out of Canada. I think they've put the cart way before the horse.

Again, don't shoot the messenger, I'm only repeating what I was told. And did I mention that politicians lie?

 

[Mousey]

The only thing I've been able to find in the news a bout Canada and online gaming is regarding Alexander First Nation setting up servers like Kahanawake.

The controversy in Canada surrounding the expansion of online gambling took another turn this week as the attorney general of Alberta weighed in on the recent attempt by the Alexander First Nation to begin offering the same online gambling services as the Kahnawake tribe in Quebec.

The Kahnawake of Quebec offer a full service online gaming jurisdiction, with hosting as well as a light regulatory touch. Like much of the online gaming industry, it has existed in a strange kind of legal limbo, in which little of its asserted jurisdictional claim has been tested in the courts.

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[jenn1381]

I also live in Ontario and have heard absolutely nothing about online gambling even being talked about. That's what makes all this so maddening. We are being dropped into a group that we don't even belong in, and pushed out for no good reason. I gave Neteller a chit load of money in transaction fee's and exchange fee's, so I guess that's their loss. But now I find myself unable to gamble as the few things I have tried will not work (instadebit can't find my identity, Citadel pulled out of Canada). Click2pay is my last option, but I just be bothered setting up an account. I am uncomfortable with these processor's having all my personal information and then pulling out of the Canadian market.

 

[Mousey]

I am uncomfortable with these processor's having all my personal information and then pulling out ...

Same for me as a US player. I figure enough folks in the online gaming/processing business already have enough info to cause me a whole heap of trouble -- why spread it around more.

 

[darkpixie]

Where did you hear that the US Gov will not allow Canadian banks to trade in US dollars?

 

[darkpixie]

Thank you Pinbaby! Finally someone with a statement that actually holds some weight rather than people just talking out of thier ass about what they 'think' is going on.
Now lets keep our fingers crossed that Microgamming Casinos don't start acting up like this!

 

[Mousey]

See KingKong098's post (last in the thread) HERE

Also just as added info ... HERE

Anyone have a list of casinos that have shut out Canadian players? I had one started somewhere on my computer, but I can't find it...

 

[Pinababy69]

Thanks Mousey. I hadn't seen that. It somewhat backs up Dominique's statement that this may be related in some way to the banking sector up here, and not the Canadian government.

As to which casinos, I'm aware of VIP.com and Virgin (probably all Wagerworks casinos). Beyond that, I haven't been around. I will miss VIP, but never played at a WW, so that one doesn't affect me personally.

 

[frufrugirl]

I also just found this article that would add another twist that I may have missed..regarding increase in chargebacks and increasing fees associated with it....

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[frufrugirl]

Thank you Pinbaby! Finally someone with a statement that actually holds some weight rather than people just talking out of thier ass about what they 'think' is going on.
Now lets keep our fingers crossed that Microgamming Casinos don't start acting up like this!

Uncalled for, my ass dosnt know how to talk yet!

 

[darkpixie]

Hm very odd. But the fact remains that there isn't just one financial institution in Canada. In fact I am betting that conducting business via credit unions up here would be the way to go as they are member owned and not likely to be a target of the pushy US Ways. I do know that some banks, deny gambling transactions via credit card, but that has been going to forever is extremely rare, and for totally different reasons than the current US legislation.
I have regularily purchased $500 in chips both via credit card and by instacash with no negative effects. My bank even calls me to confirm that I am the one doing the transaction to protect me. Having worked at both banks and credit unions in the past I find it hard to believe that they would make the efforts to ban gambling transactions unless specifically regulated by the government. You seen ALL kinds of deposits at a bank, and some of them are surely suspect which NEVER recieve any investigation whatsoever. The theory that the US is putting pressure on them and refusing to do business with them on that basis sounds a bit strange to me since the banks are not doing business directly with the US governement but with the banks themselves. Furthermore. Just because there is a banking 'scare' fictional or not, the casinos should be acting on fact rather than fiction. But hey, its thier loss in the end.

 

[Mousey]

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As to which casinos, I'm aware of VIP.com and Virgin (probably all Wagerworks casinos). Beyond that, I haven't been around. I will miss VIP, but never played at a WW, so that one doesn't affect me personally.

Add English Harbour group to the list...

Linky

Wish I could remember half of the info I read on this board...

 

[dominique]

I believe they are based in Canada. They don't want to lose all their banking...

If it was due to chargebacks, it would include US players. Chargebacks there have been horrendous.