Should casinos be able to ban winners?

neon claws

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So it's well known (here in Australia at least) that the big sports betting agencies will ban anyone with a history of not losing.
Now I've also been barred from a few casinos for daring to not lose quickly enough (aka; winning).
But it raises an interesting question of should it be allowed?
Aren't companies only choosing to accept problem gamblers by weeding out anyone able to not lose control and occasionally have a win?

I'm not usually for 'nanny-state' control over businesses, I've come to accept that they will do whatever is necessary in order to maximize profit- however it does kind of stick in my craw that they set up the rules for their own crooked game, whereby they are guaranteed to win 99% of the time but then take their ball and go home if you happen to get lucky a few times or indeed, outplay them at their own game.

Thoughts?
 

danofthewibble

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Their house, their rules. If you're not making them money, you're not a customer they want. Basically :)
 

lewisnadasurf

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No, it should be illegal unless obviously foul play.

I got my account closed at VC, 9 years ago for winning too much.... :(
 

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When I worked in a land based casino, we'd have a small 'book of winners' those who played the tables and rarely lost.

The last thing management would consider is banning them, surprisingly they are great for business, good news stories, proving things are not rigged to name just two.

I'd err on the side that online would be no different.

However....... :p
 

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So it's well known (here in Australia at least) that the big sports betting agencies will ban anyone with a history of not losing.
Now I've also been barred from a few casinos for daring to not lose quickly enough (aka; winning).
But it raises an interesting question of should it be allowed?
Aren't companies only choosing to accept problem gamblers by weeding out anyone able to not lose control and occasionally have a win?

I'm not usually for 'nanny-state' control over businesses, I've come to accept that they will do whatever is necessary in order to maximize profit- however it does kind of stick in my craw that they set up the rules for their own crooked game, whereby they are guaranteed to win 99% of the time but then take their ball and go home if you happen to get lucky a few times or indeed, outplay them at their own game.

Thoughts?

WTF has some one losing a bet got to do with problem gamblers.

It has been noticed on this forum. most of your posts are about trying to big your self up.

From the one yesterday about people must be jealous that you can afford to lose more than them

Starting a thread to tell us you was a high roller($5 spins LOLOL), or on this one where your claiming to have had accounts closed for winning to much.

Quite cringe worthy
 

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Landbased others see IRL how these some people are winning, if someone smart enough beat bookies in sportsbook, there probably are no audience to follow that same way, maybe some are following these bets but mostly also done where best odds available so not really getting same promotion value than landbased.

Even somebody (like streamers do) post winning clips to web online, hardly nobody pay attention which casino is it from but game itself

Wouldn't mind to have law all bookies should take bets from all, gubbed by bookie no need any big wins even these day, happen quite easily, when over 95% of your SB customers are losing, why to take risk someone who seem to make smart bets.... But their place to welcome who ever they want and decline who ever they want.
 

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So it's well known (here in Australia at least) that the big sports betting agencies will ban anyone with a history of not losing.
Now I've also been barred from a few casinos for daring to not lose quickly enough (aka; winning).
But it raises an interesting question of should it be allowed?
Aren't companies only choosing to accept problem gamblers by weeding out anyone able to not lose control and occasionally have a win?

I'm not usually for 'nanny-state' control over businesses, I've come to accept that they will do whatever is necessary in order to maximize profit- however it does kind of stick in my craw that they set up the rules for their own crooked game, whereby they are guaranteed to win 99% of the time but then take their ball and go home if you happen to get lucky a few times or indeed, outplay them at their own game.

Thoughts?

Get 'em all playing Bonanza and it won't ever be an issue.
 

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Not hugely uncommon, this kind of thing. A while back a major credit card provider decided to stop offering credit to certain people. Mostly people who paid their balance off in full every month; no credit difficulties. The reason being they saw themselves as good customers, but the credit card company never made a penny from them. Their spending was therefore pure risk without reward, and cost the company money. Solution - not the kind of customer they want.
 

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Not hugely uncommon, this kind of thing. A while back a major credit card provider decided to stop offering credit to certain people. Mostly people who paid their balance off in full every month; no credit difficulties. The reason being they saw themselves as good customers, but the credit card company never made a penny from them. Their spending was therefore pure risk without reward, and cost the company money. Solution - not the kind of customer they want.

And you end up to pay their cancelled hotels, flights and other things which they have that credit card only for (and as you said, paying it all in once without any fees) :)

Thats very true in many places that customers who think they are good customers, actually can be far away from that. Love this CC example :)
 

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Depending on the country, bookmakers are a private business, and if they want they can reject your bets or close account in one sec.
I reckon there is no single bookie on this planet that would allow advanced bettors to get them milked.
 

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Depending on the country, bookmakers are a private business, and if they want they can reject your bets or close account in one sec.
I reckon there is no single bookie on this planet that would allow advanced bettors to get them milked.

That would be btw interesting if any country (like Finland) where's governments monopoly to arrange any betting/gambling, would start to ban winning players, then there probably could be case, @ternur ?
 

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That would be btw interesting if any country (like Finland) where's governments monopoly to arrange any betting/gambling, would start to ban winning players, then there probably could be case, @ternur ?

It's post 8pm, you're getting the non compos mentis beer version of Ternur - good chance that he doesn't even know he's in Finland at the moment, never mind putting that legal brain into action.

Ternur - you. are. in. Finland.
 

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Now I've also been barred from a few casinos for daring to not lose quickly enough (aka; winning).
But it raises an interesting question of should it be allowed?
Would be interested to hear which casinos exactly have banned you for "not losing enough"... ?

As to your question: as others have already said - their house, their rules. They can decide to exclude anyone for any reason and as long as they are not ripping the player off, that is their prerogative.

KK
 

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It's post 8pm, you're getting the non compos mentis beer version of Ternur - good chance that he doesn't even know he's in Finland at the moment, never mind putting that legal brain into action.

Ternur - you. are. in. Finland.

You think he can manage all that weird legal shite sober? Think you need to have some state of drunkness to e able to comply with Finnish law parts I and II.
 
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snorky510238

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Bookmakers will ban anyone that wins long term. I worked for William Hill many years ago and we had photographs, out of customer view, of faces that we could not take bets from. Being a relatively small town we knew most of them anyway.

One guy in particular had some really good wins before they told him no more thank you. He didn’t have information either it was all based on watching thousands of horse races over and over looking for horses that were being cheated with. He combined that with all his knowledge and used stats at tracks like Thirsk where, when the ground was heavy and there was a large field, one side of the draw would have a huge advantage.

He would select horses from that side that had won on heavy ground and perm them in combination tricasts and had some very large wins. He became well known in the industry eventually and after I left Hills I saw him in the Racing Post where there was an article about him winning over £100,000 on a Heinz bet. Reading the article this was the second time he had done it. He also won over £30,000 from hills with a Yankee bet in the 1970’s.

I miss the days when betting shops were betting shops. Younger people won’t understand what I mean by that and do you know what ruined them? The bloody FOBTS! Their introduction was the end of an era really. The old characters died away and got replaced by kids who either pile all their money in FOBTS or just pop in for a bet on the footy. Very few youngsters are interested in horse racing nowadays.
 

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Tbf it’s more a sign of the times rather than fobts killing them off.

If it wasn’t for fobts I doubt bookies would even exist on the high street anymore.

Most ‘smart’ horse racing bets are of course placed on line nowadays. It’s not difficult to get a bet on no matter how many sites you have restricted accounts on.

Having said that some still ‘employ’ runners to spend the day frequenting various shops in various city’s and towns to capitalise on extra value.

Sounds far fetched but i can assure you it goes on. More than people think.
 
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