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Question on WR

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Stovetopp, Jan 26, 2009.

    Jan 26, 2009
  1. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    On the Beach
    Hypothetical situation:

    I accept a bonus with a 20x playthrough No problem..I play until I am tired and switch to Video Poker and win 1000 (royal flush) OR BJ..I know what I play here does not count towards the playthrough but can I go back to slots and play in order to meet the requirements?(of couse using the 1000 bucks won on VP)
    Is this allowed or is it bonus abuse?
    hOPE YOU GET THE DRIFT OF MY QUESTION
     
  2. Jan 26, 2009
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Bonus abuse IMO, fair and square :)
     
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  4. Jan 26, 2009
  5. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    On the Beach
    I CALLED A CASINO REGARDING THIS AND SAYS ITS OKAY BUT WAITNG ON WRITTEN CONFIRMATION
    Will let you know
     
  6. Jan 26, 2009
  7. Scooter7

    Scooter7 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Gaming
    Location:
    Toronto
    It depends on the casino.
    Some will 'let' you play anything as long as you wager the correct amount on approved games and some will void your winnings if you play any games that aren't allowed before you fulfill the wagering requirements. Make sure the T&C statements are clear and you understand them so you don't run afoul of their rules. If the terms are ambiguous, either ask them or play elsewhere. I hate rogue casinos that act improperly, but I hate it even more when a 'rogue' player doesn't follow the rules and then makes an unwarranted complaint (not you, just in general since it can hurt a casino's reputation even if they don't deserve it).
     
  8. Jan 26, 2009
  9. Louise

    Louise Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Rushmore, Cherry Red and Slots Oasis Rep, CS & acc
    Location:
    Right here
    For sure you need to look at the terms and conditions of each casino.

    For example, with our casinos it works like this - When you deposit and take a bonus, those amounts attach together, and only once you meet the wagering requirements, can you cashout. Also, if you switch to play a restricted game whilst you still have that wagering requirement on your account, those winnings would be void, and even if you later meet the requirements of the bonus by playing allowed games, those winnings from restricted games would still be void!

    So, stay away from the restricted games whilst you still have a playthrough on your account!

    Just a heads up from me :p

    Louise
    Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.
     
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  10. Jan 26, 2009
  11. Scooter7

    Scooter7 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Gaming
    Location:
    Toronto
    I agree with you Simmo, but if the casino allows it (in writing), then it's okay.

    Most of the time though, if a player 'abuses' a bonus it's simply because the casino wasn't smart enough to create the right bonus :)
     
  12. Jan 26, 2009
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    LOL. Now that is a good point!

    Disclaimer: I don't know why, but I am in a ranting mood tonight :cool:

    If casinos will use bonuses to attract punters, then they will attract a good deal of the "wrong sort of punter". You make your bed...etc. Conversely, a punter who goes looking to abuse a bonus in this way simply adds another brick to the wall that the casinos keep building to protect themselves. Doesn't bother me because I don't take signup bonuses, but one day the signup bonus will self-destruct. Probably at around the 200x D&B, slots-play-only mark!
     
  14. Jan 26, 2009
  15. Scooter7

    Scooter7 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Gaming
    Location:
    Toronto
    It's simply the fact that the wrong model was used successfully and no one can afford to be the first one to eliminate it (the deposit bonuses, that is).

    Your motivation with a WR bonus is to complete the WR. It doesn't give any incentive to continue to play once the WR have been met. That's the primary shortcoming of the way (most) casinos promote their businesses at the moment.
     
  16. Jan 26, 2009
  17. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    England
    Interesting...so what could constitute a motivation to continue do you reckon Scooter?
     
  18. Jan 28, 2009
  19. angelfire

    angelfire Dormant account

    Occupation:
    unemployed due to sickness
    Location:
    Saltburn By The Sea
    My advise would not be to get a bonus at all, avoid them at all costs, its just a hassle having to fulfill the WR and in the meantime while playing the allowed games you'll probably lose a lot more than you win.

    For instance, BK is a good way to go, but they only have 1/3 of the WR, so it would take you three times aslong to complete the WR.

    I know its personal taste obviously, and there will be some who take up bonuses, but in my experience, humble as that is, bonuses leave you playing slots and arcade games, which, I've found, are more luck based and you can't have any strategy to help you along, like in BJ.

    Anyway, just my opinion.

    Dan
     
  20. Jan 28, 2009
  21. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    Up$hitCreek
    Once upon a time, with the MG 'clear play' there was no game restrictions. Your play on VP wouldn't count as much toward WR as slots, but they wouldn't yank your winnings if you hit a RF and then finished out WR on slots.

    But now... nothing is standard anymore -- with any software. We are trapped if we take a bonus. Stick rigidly to the casino WR, take screenshots of the T&C, contact CS to verify that WR are fullfilled, and upon withdrawal, the casino still may cry "Bonus Abuse! You fullfilled all WR and followed the T&C to the letter, but cashed out before playing through $X before withdrawing" and withhold payouts (or at least make you wish you were never born before they eventually pay). If a player is casual about his bonus play, "oops, I didn't realize that!", then the CS will tell the player, 'too bad! should have read the T&C before playing'.

    It is only logical that any/all casinos which will void winnings for playing games that 'don't count toward WR' (like BJ or VP) should state that plainly... T&C should clearly state that ONLY play on slots is allowed with a bonus and play on ANY other games before fullfilling WR will void winnings.

    Honestly.... it shouldn't be so damned complicated. (And there's my little rant for the morning. :p )
     
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  22. Jan 28, 2009
  23. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    Somewhere in eternity
    Is it impossible to implement some kind of "warning" system, which is installed into casino software and would alert player every time, when they try to open restricted game, having a bonus with uncleared WR??? It's so EASY!
     
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  24. Jan 28, 2009
  25. slotheadlizard

    slotheadlizard Senior Member

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    Movie mercandiser/Researcher
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    The Nati USA
    Another question

    I pretty much only play slots and keno and take those sort of bonuses. I often wondered if after you have met your slot requirements if you can play other games. I've always been way to scared to even click on other games. Its just something I was wondering. Thanks
     
  26. Jan 28, 2009
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Bexhill on sea, England
    Yes it is easy - so why don't they do it????
    One can only assume they actually want players to play the wrong games so it gives them an excuse to withhold winnings. :mad:

    BTW; I hear some Rival casinos have a new system where non-allowed games don't even appear on the games menu if they don't count in a bonus you're playing!
    Now that's what I'd like to see at ALL casinos! :thumbsup:

    KK
     
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  28. Jan 28, 2009
  29. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    Whether you may or may not play restricted games varies from software to software, and casino to casino. Sometimes it seems it even varies from promotion to promotion.

    It seem's Rival decision to implement such a system is excellent. Too bad as a Canadian I won't have the opportunity to continue to enjoy it.

    It would be great also if Rival added a playthough counter to your account...it is a pain to check with support, and sometimes they make mistakes. I should say "often". I feel more confident in a well set up automated system to make fewer mathematical errors than a human operator.
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2009

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