QT????

[FreeDomme]

Personally I would not dispute charges. Think three steps ahead. Who controls the account you are charging back? Okay, one step is enough for me.

 

[shrty240]

QT

I received an email from them yesterday:

"Since our last email communication where we advised any funds in your QuickTender account could still be used to purchase at QuickTender accepting sites we had been working hard to reinstate our withdrawal facility and ensuring your funds where safe and secure.

However, further developments specifically relating to our main bank processing company have resulted in our accounts being frozen subject to a seizure order giving us no ability to make payments in any currency.

In light of these developments we have had no option but to discontinue the Quicktender service with immediate effect and for the foreseeable future.

At this time we are unable to confirm when or if we could make payments of remaining balances.

We will keep you advised of future relevant developments.

QuickTender Support"

 

[RedAndi]

At this time we are unable to confirm when or if we could make payments of remaining balances.

We will keep you advised of future relevant developments.

QuickTender Support"

That is a pretty scary "IF".

 

[maggierose]

QT I JUST LOGGED IN THERE>>SEEN THIS>>

Here it is:

With regret, the Quicktender service has been discontinued. All account holders will be notified by email ..
NO MORE QT & they owe me 297.00

 

[pokertramp]

they owe me $484 I'm sure that's a drop in the bucket to what they owe others.

 

[nygirl30]

1200.00 for me!!!

 

[lnspin]

Theres some people doing an investigation into this, and it's seeming more and more that qt saw an opportunity and up and ran.
The doj might have hit a few of the bank accounts that they were using for withdrawals but did not get the bulk of the money.

More info coming out tuesday, lets wait and see

 

[bpb]

Theres some people doing an investigation into this, and it's seeming more and more that qt saw an opportunity and up and ran.
The doj might have hit a few of the bank accounts that they were using for withdrawals but did not get the bulk of the money.

More info coming out tuesday, lets wait and see

Agreed.

The people thanking Quicktender and supporting their reaction to this situation are brain damaged IMHO.

 

[3Dice]

interesting article on gambling911 :

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[Novemberlady1]

QT

When I received QT email that all accounts will be blocked, I emailed back to close my account and delete all banking information from my account files, additionally I requested that all debits and credits to my account be deleted. I requested they "advise when my requests had been completed".

Not sure what will happen, they should be able to delete my banking information as their policy always allowed that upon request via email. Not sure about the debit and credits to my account, or wiretransfer information.

We will see and I will update post when I receive a response.

Basically, I am waiting for the final payments due me through non-QT payments(i.e. checks, ach, etc.) and then I am closing all accounts with "merchants".

There are definately fed officials tracking this sites posts and I am concerned they are even tracking those logging in to casino websites, and the like. I don't trust the U.S. Gov and due to the Patriot Act they have free reign.

What happens if you had money in QT that came from casino wins and had not requested a withdrawal? Is there a possibility that they will at some point get that money back to us? I am in the US and had $2200 in there.

 

[Mousey]

interesting article on gambling911 :

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Thank you.... anything from the DOJ's mouth I take with a grain of salt... anything posted on 911 I take with 2 grains of salt... LOL

Strangely enough, the DOJ and Feds always call the casinos, processors, poker rooms "criminals", but over the years, the only gambling money I ever (nearly) had stolen was because the DOJ had it.

 

[nikkidog]

QT

I had 1568.00 in my QT account when they shut down. From what I have been reading it seems that we will never get our money, but I am still hoping.

 

[lots0]

So no one will admit to having our money?

The Doj says it is Quicktender that has our money and Quicktender says it is the DOJ... Well who to believe?

It is well known that 'law enforcement' in America will lie, cheat, beat and even steal, if it suits their purpose.

The fact the DOJ seized the Bank accounts and now say they don't have the money... Is very very hard to believe.

One players conversation with the DOJ...

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[Rambler]

UseMyWallet Closes by Court Order

I found this article this morning from 5/27 that pins the DOJ as the modus for not being paid by Q.T.

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"I buy my ink by the barrel"-Mark Twain

 

[lots0]

I found this article this morning from 5/27 that pins the DOJ as the modus for not being paid by Q.T.

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"I buy my ink by the barrel"-Mark Twain

online poker news is published by one of the members here...
The writer of that article knows as much and no more than anyone here reading the forum.

 

[Mousey]

So no one will admit to having our money?

The Doj says it is Quicktender that has our money and Quicktender says it is the DOJ... Well who to believe?

It is well known that 'law enforcement' in America will lie, cheat, beat and even steal, if it suits their purpose.

The fact the DOJ seized the Bank accounts and now say they don't have the money... Is very very hard to believe.

One players conversation with the DOJ...

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Thanks for the link.

So.... they freeze a couple of QT/ECO/Chargestream accounts and well... golly!... they just don't understand how that would affect QT and players' monies??? Oh... I forget... QT is supposed to pull the funds out of their wazoo and send money to players via carrier pigeon (good target practice for the DOJ, that).

My sympathy to those who have funds tied up in QT. I can only thank my lucky stars I was so paranoid and tired of the bullcrap that I quit when I did.

Ok... that's it for me for the day... this mess is literally giving me a headache. I need something calm and soothing... like watching vehicles fly around the track at Indy at 220mph.

 

[slotplayer]

The Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act

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[lots0]

The Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act

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Holey Shit!!!

 

[EndofEsau]

The Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act

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YEP!!! Stick a fork in it folks. It's Online Gambling is DONE! Pay more attention with what is going on besides gambling. Your laziness and unwilling to act has lead you to this point. I don't believe you will see a dime of your money from QT again. QT has been a questionable e-wallet since it open its doors. There is no one to blame but yourselves. You gave power to the beast.

 

[gloria460]

QT lied to Bryan about paying players and they lied to players about when they'll received their funds so what makes anyone think QT is not lying about who has their money.

QT was a good processor for the USA but the poop has hit the fan and they're trying to save their own skin.

 

[LisasLuck]

Holey Shit!!!

I second that!

 

[Mousey]

Holey Shit!!!

???

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/internet-gambling-bill-introduced-in-the-house.43129/

 

[FreeDomme]

QT lied to Bryan about paying players and they lied to players about when they'll received their funds so what makes anyone think QT is not lying about who has their money.

QT was a good processor for the USA but the poop has hit the fan and they're trying to save their own skin.

Please provide cites and references for such sweeping statements so I can follow along. A bill in committee that has been in the works for some time doesn't 'tell' me this.

 

[maxd]

YEP!!! Stick a fork in it folks. It's Online Gambling is DONE!

Presumably you are referring to the US market, yes? The rest of the world, most of it anyway, is in a very different situation (no fork required).

 

[Rambler]

Hiding in the Brew or Under Bed Meister

Bryan, It seems you have dissapeared into an Irish pub with Obama re: Q.T. I am sure he/she is still taking your calls from Q.T. We want answers and you have sources; use them or I can guarantee nobody from the U.S. will bet 4 to 6 gees per month. I don't put my money in sinkholes.

Like President Reagan stated: "I am from the government and here to help." Dreaded words when morphed into nebulous corporations. Oh, and for the pink teddy member, DHS was set up after 9/11/2001; your artocle stated she was with the department nine years before its inception.

Rambler

"I buy my ink by the barrel"-Mark Twain

 

[takethemoney]

The Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act

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Am I reading that the USA is very close to licensing and legalizing internet gambling?

 

[Rambler]

18 Months

The WYNN group will have on line gaming in this timeframe. I guess I couldn't keep it in Vegas, lol. Better put on my cement slippers cause I spilled the beans. In addition, a few Native American based casinos are brokering deals with Rival from land based to on-line.

" I buy my ink by the barrel"-Mark Twain

 

[Mousey]

Am I reading that the USA is very close to licensing and legalizing internet gambling?

This thing has been presented more than once. It has to pass all the hurdles. One rainy day, when you've got time to kill, grab a cup of Java and cruise thru the past year or so of the Industry Discussion section.

 

[lots0]

???

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/internet-gambling-bill-introduced-in-the-house.43129/

I knew it existed... But I never saw it before.
After reading most of it... I still say Holey SHIT!

Oh, and for the pink teddy member, DHS was set up after 9/11/2001; your artocle stated she was with the department nine years before its inception.

Rambler

"I buy my ink by the barrel"-Mark Twain

my Article was a copy of what was put out by Homeland Security. If you got a bitch about the accuracy talk to them...
I was also aware that the woman could not have been a HLS agent for 20 years... But she has been a federal agent for 20 years.



Sorry for the derail

If QT did in fact steal the money.... QT has assets we can go after... www.ecocard.com

 

[gloria460]

Please provide cites and references for such sweeping statements so I can follow along. A bill in committee that has been in the works for some time doesn't 'tell' me this.

Bryan made a statement about this in this thread so you'll have to find it yourself as I'm not going to go through this whole thread to find it.

Bryan said he knew the people that run QT and they assured him that things would be ok and then they close shop two days later. They also sent reassuring emails to players to. It's all in this thread so read, read, read.

 

[FreeDomme]

Bryan made a statement about this in this thread so you'll have to find it yourself as I'm not going to go through this whole thread to find it.

Bryan said he knew the people that run QT and they assured him that things would be ok and then they close shop two days later. They also sent reassuring emails to players to. It's all in this thread so read, read, read.

Thank you Gloria. I've read those posts.

 

[BingoT]

It is so messed up & I still get Emails from them.
And the funds are in my bank.
I got my funds two days before this crap took place.
Does this mean I will get the $250.00 again after they clear this up

Dear Thomas

We are writing to advise that to the best of our knowledge your QuickTender withdrawal for $250.00 on the 07/05/2011 12:08:38 processed by Chargestream Ltd has been seized by the United States Attorney’s Office (USAO).

We believe in due course an order will be made to the courts to forfeit these funds and as soon as we become aware of further information our intention is to share that with you. Neither QuickTender nor our processing partner Chargestream have the financial resources to make good these funds. However, you will be a valid claimant of a proportion of overall funds seized you can file a claim with the court. You can check as well each day on the website www.forfeiture.gov searching under Chargestream for the notice to be posted.

We had prior to this announcement moved your funds to an ‘uncleared’ status. If you do still have a positive balance we will be advising on how to make a withdrawal of these remaining available funds via a separate email communication.

We realise this is not good news and are deeply sorry that the USA authorities have taken this action to seize and forfeit your funds.


QuickTender Team

 

[lnspin]

Hey BingoT.

They stated in that email you got "If you do still have a positive balance we will be advising on how to make a withdrawal of these remaining available funds via a separate email communication."

If they ever do get back to you on that can you let me know, I have a bid balance stuck in there, I don't think it was seized as i didn't try to withdraw it, it was just in the account and i would love to get it back

Also who did you email to get a response

 

[BingoT]

I sure will let you know if I hear more lnspin.
I never emailed them because I think it's pointless in the game because they know nothing.
I wish this will work out for all to get paid.
It's all sucks
QuickTender Help Desk <[email protected]

 

[Mousey]

ok... If you go to the PDF, do a page search for Chargestream... You'll also see Doylesroom, etc. in that same section.

Question: Do or do not the people who are still owed money stuck in QT/Chargestream and the affected poker rooms have a case to bring before the court requesting payment -- especially those with huge balances seized?

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The contents of ABN AMRO Bank NV Acct No. XXXXXX8780 in the name of
Chargestream Ltd Acct# 0243058780 (11-ICE-001094) which was seized from ABN
AMRO Bank NV on May 20, 2011 at Head Office, Gustav Mahlerlaan 10, located in
Amsterdam,The contents


Any person claiming a legal interest in the Defendant Property must file a verified Claim with
the court within 60 days from the first day of publication (June 17, 2011) of this Notice on this
official government internet web site and an Answer to the complaint or motion under Rule 12
of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure within 21 days thereafter. 18 U.S.C. § 983(h)(1)
permits a court to impose a civil fine on anyone asserting an interest in property which the court
determines was frivolous.The verified Claim and Answer must be filed with the Clerk of the Court, 101 W. Lombard
Street, Baltimore, MD 21201, and copies of each served upon Assistant United States Attorney
Richard C. Kay, 36 S. Charles Street, Fourth Floor, Baltimore, MD 21201, or default and
forfeiture will be ordered. See, 18 U.S.C. § 983(a)(4)(A) and Rule G(5) of the Supplemental
Rules for Admiralty or Maritime Claims and Asset Forfeiture Actions.

 

[Rambler]

ChargeBack!!! I Did It The Minute I Saw Nebulus Answers-Only a (60) Day Window US LAW

Stupid is what stupid does-Forest Gump.

We have been fleeced...eer not me, got my thousands out through charge-back and mentioned money owed to me equal to money taken. The whole reason Q.T. are shysters is they are using U.S. laws and emails for advarice at our expense in the wallet: no phone number or address to correspond in real time. Why? Because the payment processor and them are so interlinked as one in the same. So if Uncle Sambo seized said funds, they gas light the supposed stupid cowboy mentality U.S. players (your Greeks are more mentailly impaired than our Appalachian sanctuary when it comes to finances) not to charge back until the (60) day window, in a few days, so as to hold their own financial gains and tie up in world courts to which the U.S. does not recognize.

Let me repeat for the Mentally impaired Euro Sophisticate and Underestimated U.S. Player:

1) If you do not dispute a Banking Institution Charge within (60) business days, it can not be revoked, short of a lawsuit or private settlement

2) U.S. Players trusted Q.T. and assumed it would play honest. One can set up offshore accounts in theory at best, but it is an IRS flag even to an idiot; EURO payments my rear!

3) Bryan won't say a word; I guess you were conned too or won't admit the U.S. DOJ reared everyone here, but play the party line like a deer in the headlamps of a MACK truck.

4) Charge it back now if you are owed anything, because you will never see a red cent. Q.T. is scared of the DOJ only to the SIXTY DAY TIME LINE DUMMIEs, lol!!!!

5) One last salient point for the U.S. player, ignore what any European player says, they will be paid and we will not. I am here to help and do not represent any entity. I lived in Europe for a time and the mentality is somewhat different; I only tease the folks across the pond because the said processor happens to be on said side.

I sure will let you know if I hear more lnspin.
I never emailed them because I think it's pointless in the game because they know nothing.
I wish this will work out for all to get paid.
It's all sucks
QuickTender Help Desk <[email protected]

 

[cheetahwind]

Actually Bryan has warned on several occasions over the past 2 years NOT to play online anymore if your from the US. BUT if you if you DO PLAY with caution. Now obviously that everything is going belly up of course your going to start blaming Bryan a bit. Just because your all emotional and upset because you probably had lost money.
I took Bryans advice back in December and haven't regretted it since. I'm back to playing in a Brick and Mortar casino where my money is appreciated by getting physical cash back, free meals, hotel rooms, spa treatments, and entertainment. I'm glad I wrote off online gambling once eWalletExpress and web-support24 went under. If your still going to blame the web sites and Bryan for this un-welcomed climate. Then your pretty much not reading his warnings and so on and so forth.
If you were a US player like has been said thousands of times. QUIT PLAYING online until the climate gets better. If you continue to play then you have no one else to blame but yourself. Because you knew this was going to happen. It's been happening for quite some time now.

Stupid is what stupid does-Forest Gump.

We have been fleeced...eer not me, got my thousands out through charge-back and mentioned money owed to me equal to money taken. The whole reason Q.T. are shysters is they are using U.S. laws and emails for advarice at our expense in the wallet: no phone number or address to correspond in real time. Why? Because the payment processor and them are so interlinked as one in the same. So if Uncle Sambo seized said funds, they gas light the supposed stupid cowboy mentality U.S. players (your Greeks are more mentailly impaired than our Appalachian sanctuary when it comes to finances) not to charge back until the (60) day window, in a few days, so as to hold their own financial gains and tie up in world courts to which the U.S. does not recognize.

Let me repeat for the Mentally impaired Euro Sophisticate and Underestimated U.S. Player:

1) If you do not dispute a Banking Institution Charge within (60) business days, it can not be revoked, short of a lawsuit or private settlement

2) U.S. Players trusted Q.T. and assumed it would play honest. One can set up offshore accounts in theory at best, but it is an IRS flag even to an idiot; EURO payments my rear!

3) Bryan won't say a word; I guess you were conned too or won't admit the U.S. DOJ reared everyone here, but play the party line like a deer in the headlamps of a MACK truck.

4) Charge it back now if you are owed anything, because you will never see a red cent. Q.T. is scared of the DOJ only to the SIXTY DAY TIME LINE DUMMIEs, lol!!!!

5) One last salient point for the U.S. player, ignore what any European player says, they will be paid and we will not. I am here to help and do not represent any entity. I lived in Europe for a time and the mentality is somewhat different; I only tease the folks across the pond because the said processor happens to be on said side.

 

[Nifty29]

Stupid is what stupid does-Forest Gump.

We have been fleeced...eer not me, got my thousands out through charge-back and mentioned money owed to me equal to money taken. The whole reason Q.T. are shysters is they are using U.S. laws and emails for advarice at our expense in the wallet: no phone number or address to correspond in real time. Why? Because the payment processor and them are so interlinked as one in the same. So if Uncle Sambo seized said funds, they gas light the supposed stupid cowboy mentality U.S. players (your Greeks are more mentailly impaired than our Appalachian sanctuary when it comes to finances) not to charge back until the (60) day window, in a few days, so as to hold their own financial gains and tie up in world courts to which the U.S. does not recognize.

Let me repeat for the Mentally impaired Euro Sophisticate and Underestimated U.S. Player:

1) If you do not dispute a Banking Institution Charge within (60) business days, it can not be revoked, short of a lawsuit or private settlement

2) U.S. Players trusted Q.T. and assumed it would play honest. One can set up offshore accounts in theory at best, but it is an IRS flag even to an idiot; EURO payments my rear!

3) Bryan won't say a word; I guess you were conned too or won't admit the U.S. DOJ reared everyone here, but play the party line like a deer in the headlamps of a MACK truck.

4) Charge it back now if you are owed anything, because you will never see a red cent. Q.T. is scared of the DOJ only to the SIXTY DAY TIME LINE DUMMIEs, lol!!!!

5) One last salient point for the U.S. player, ignore what any European player says, they will be paid and we will not. I am here to help and do not represent any entity. I lived in Europe for a time and the mentality is somewhat different; I only tease the folks across the pond because the said processor happens to be on said side.

"Mentally impaired European sophisticates"

"Idiots"

"Dummies"

"Stupid cowboy mentality"

Couldn't you have made your points without the insults? It must be really tough having to post all this information for the mentally inferior I.e. everyone else but you

What exactly are you accusing Bryan of doing?

I can see how you arrived at your forum name.

 

[Rambler]

I like your sign, not your name. In the U.S. It is a deer in headlamps warning and is posted all over The Pacific Northwest, especiallly near camp sites that you down under do so well. I like rambling, cheaper than fake gambling!




[QUOTE
=Nifty29;433247]"Mentally impaired European sophisticates"

"Idiots"

"Dummies"

"Stupid cowboy mentality"

Couldn't you have made your points without the insults? It must be really tough having to post all this information for the mentally inferior I.e. everyone else but you

What exactly are you accusing Bryan of doing?

I can see how you arrived at your forum name.[/QUOTE]

 

[gloria460]

What gets me is why are these casinos still serving American players? It's been illegal and until recently it has been overlooked. With all the crack downs going on you guys have to know that the casino's money is being put where the gov. can't touch it but if they ever get seized they will say your money is tied up.

I to wish I could have the fun I had a few years back when your winnings would go back to the method of deposit or ACH. No hassels at all but it is truly not worth it to play and worry about your money and then start the process all over again.

To me any casino that accepts USA players should be put on the rogue list. Look how fast club world is falling from grace and it's all bc they can't leave the USA players alone...smh

 

[vinylweatherman]

The casinos and processors have placed US players in this situation. If they accept that they will never gamble online again, there is nothing to stop them using chargebacks as the CERTAIN way to get their money back.

They have already endured 2 months of lies and misdirection from EWX before it was admitted the money was seized, and that it is unlikely players will ever see it again. 2 months of lies and stalling tactics is all rather convenient given that after 60 days a charge cannot be disputed.

Now QT are using the same tactic of trickling out half-truths and misdirections, even telling players that they have plans to pay out if they can get Euro accounts, yet NOT seeming to be responding to communications from customers, nor giving them access to the website. It does seem that they are trying to stall so that 60 days passes, and then they will tell customers that many will NOT be seeing their money after all. Already they are saying that they CANNOT pay customers who's money has been seized, yet there is no PROOF that what has been seized is "their money", and the DoJ seem to be saying that they have seized COMPANY money, rather than CUSTOMER money, and will NOT be giving it back.

Maybe QT are concerned that chargebacks will be taken from active Ecocard company accounts, rather than the defunct QT. The artificial ringfencing of QT from the main Ecocard operation may NOT be reflected when it comes to the dispute and chargeback process, perhaps because the same banks are used, and will simply use "offset" if an inactive QT account receives a chargeback from the US banking system, which means they will simply take the money from one of the Ecocard accounts because it is all the same company.

The problem for US players is that this option is only open to them for 60 days, after which taking QT and other processors to court is not an option given the way everything has been set up.

Rambler got all his money back by being IMpatient with all the stalling from QT, and this at least means that QT no longer have to pay him to a Euro account, so no real loss to QT, as they fully intended to pay Rambler anyway, didn't they

Only Rambler stands to lose out, because he will now be on the blacklist of "evil players" because he charged back "thousands". This is ONLY going to be a problem if he continues to play online.

As far as UIGEA is concerned, it seems that banks are REQUIRED to recall transactions that are subsequently discovered to be illegal (or at least seem to believe they are). This happened to another player who disputed ONE charge with their bank, and the bank identified several other charges related to online gambling, and charged back ALL of them because they were illegal, even though the player didn't ask for this, and didn't even want this to happen.

Even if QT is hit by a wave of chargebacks, it is still only money they are on record as saying they fully intend to pay once arrangements have been made. Ecocard/QT will only really suffer if they lied about this, and were never going to be able to pay all the money promised, and were relying on most claimants simply giving up.

Casinos will also be hit, since Ecocard will then seek to make them repay those deposits, but the problem will be where QT never forwarded the money to the casinos in the first place, and will have to take the hit themselves since the casinos will have no liabilty to return charged back deposits they never received.

Casinos STILL trying to work within the US could be setting themselves up for another major "take down", which will hit them before they have managed to recover from the last. Players who start using the new deposit methods springing up also risk being caught up in yet another cycle of delays, lies, and disappearing money.

 

[greasemonkey]

Actually, VWM it won't be a problem (the chargebacks). He will simply have to wire money from his bank acct. to whichever processor he chooses to use if he wishes to gamble in the future.

 

[Mousey]

Actually, VWM it won't be a problem (the chargebacks). He will simply have to wire money from his bank acct. to whichever processor he chooses to use if he wishes to gamble in the future.

Maybe, maybe not. Casinos are rabidly allergic to even the word 'chargeback' and have, IIRC, locked out players for having done this in the past, whether they deposit with CC or not. Being on the bad player/chargeback blacklist (that doesn't exist, ya know) opens up a whole new can of worms for future deposits and withdrawals.

Of course... as things stand now... I think there's a whole heap of online players that have 'retired' anyway.

 

[4 of a kind]

Being on the bad player/chargeback blacklist (that doesn't exist, ya know) opens up a whole new can of worms for future deposits and withdrawals.

Does anyone from the USA really give a shit about this now?

 

[Mousey]

Does anyone from the USA really give a shit about this now?

I dunno, some might. Merely presented for informations sake... there are some that despite having money tied up in QT, despite long delays in receiving withdrawals, are still forging ahead, jumping hoops to deposit, and jumping even more hoops to cash out.

 

[EndofEsau]

Does anyone from the USA really give a shit about this now?

I couldn't agree more!

 

[Luckylizzy]

With all those jumping hoops to deposit and cashout, it's almost as if moving out of the US to continue playing would be easier.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Does anyone from the USA really give a shit about this now?

This has to be the industries' biggest fear. Once the players accept defeat, and "retire", there will be no negative consequences to them getting back lost money via chargebacks.

The stick used to discourage chargebacks was the risk that players would be blacklisted, and find future wins voided for being on this list.

The problem is that they have lied repeatedly to US players in order to play down just how bad things are, and many players have been strung along for months with promises that everything will be worked out so long as they remained patient. Those who were patient over EWX lost all their money, and now QT is asking players to be patient, and open Euro accounts so that they can be paid. Now it seems QT are suggesting that not everybody affected will be paid after all, even if they DO open Euro accounts. It seems that QT are NOT going to pay customers who's money is deemed by QT to have been in the pot seized from Chargestream, and are telling these players to claim from the DoJ.

EWX has STILL not said what has happened to player's money, other than to say it has been seized. Unlike the other cases, where plans to return money to players are being worked out, EWX seems disinterested in pursuing any such solution, preferring instead to simply disappear, leaving players to nurse the losses.

The fear is that QT are thinking of doing the same, and are merely stalling for time by suggesting that once customers secure Euro bank accounts, QT will happily give them back the money.

QT are also saying there is no other way, which is BULLSHIT given that other processors are STILL managing (at least for now) to send money to US players.

The 60 day dispute window is the ONLY alternative option for worried US customers, and they MUST decide whether to dispute the transactions within this 60 day window, or lose the chance altogether. Despite this urgency, QT seem to be doing their best to "waste time" in putting together the details of their own solution, which suggests part of the reason is to get past the 60 day cut off before delivering unpalatable truths to their customers.

I don't expect a regulated US industry would pay much attention to blacklists from the "illegal" operators, but will assess each player using US based data, including checks with the US credit agencies.

 

[The Dude]

The 60 day dispute window is the ONLY alternative option for worried US customers, and they MUST decide whether to dispute the transactions within this 60 day window, or lose the chance altogether. Despite this urgency, QT seem to be doing their best to "waste time" in putting together the details of their own solution, which suggests part of the reason is to get past the 60 day cut off before delivering unpalatable truths to their customers.

I don't expect a regulated US industry would pay much attention to blacklists from the "illegal" operators, but will assess each player using US based data, including checks with the US credit agencies.

You are giving some extremely bad advice here, and I hope no member here is daft enough to follow it. Making a charge back is fraud and those charging back are placed on a blacklist that has NOTHING to do with off shore entities, but with global credit card companies. If players make a chargeback, they can probably kiss their chances of using a credit card ANYWHERE online again.

 

[vinylweatherman]

You are giving some extremely bad advice here, and I hope no member here is daft enough to follow it. Making a charge back is fraud and those charging back are placed on a blacklist that has NOTHING to do with off shore entities, but with global credit card companies. If players make a chargeback, they can probably kiss their chances of using a credit card ANYWHERE online again.

It is only fraud where it is unjustified. In this case, the players have a valid claim as a consumer of these online services. Their money has been taken, and they are not being given it back.

Not ALL chargebacks are wrong, only those where there is no real dispute, but a loophole in the systems allow them to get away with it.

Since there is only this 60 day window, players are being forced into making a quick decision, rather than being patient over the longer term.

In cases where the chargeback is for a genuine reason, it would be illegal to place someone on a blacklist, as this could result in the credit agency being sued for defamation.

Perhaps if QT had not closed the lines of communication, customers would be more willing to trust them.

They have already been burned by EWX, and patience in this case lead to players losing the chance to get back their money by an alternative means. It seems some have just lost patience with all the lies and deceptions, and no longer believe what they are being told.

If anyone is worried, they can always discuss the possible consequences of making such a chargeback claim with their lawyer before apoproaching their banks, if only to find out the extent to which they will encounter problems in the future. It would also depend on how much money the player strands to recover by acting now. If it is in the thousands, they may consider this worth the potential problems in the future.
QT seem to think that the ONLY way to pay out is through an offshore Euro account, and they are not even prepared to consider alternatives, even though despite the recent crackdown, it is STILL possible to pay US players, and clearly the poker rooms are making arrangements via the DoJ to create a scheme whereby they can legally cash out their US players. I can't see why QT can't negotiate a similar deal with the DoJ in order to make an orderly exit from the US and pay all monies belonging to customers.

In the US, chargeing back an illegal gambling transaction is not even seen as fraud, it is seen as complying with UIGEA requirements.

US players reading this thread should consider Bryan's view too, and if in doubt, get independent advice before acting.

The industry should also stop pretending that there is still a safe way for US players to carry on playing. Already, a new wallet called OK pay has sprung up to fill the void left by QT, and it seems they are moneygrabbing right from the start, demanding a fee to verify their customers, which has to be paid even before they can be guaranteed to pass and be offered the service. They also seem to prefer a MOBILE number rather than a landline for making this verification call, which seems to have more to do with the value of obtaining the mobile number to "push" premium services on rather than it being a more reliable means for phone verification than a landline.