QT????

Nice find Lotso! You are so on top of everything!

From the affidavit:
"...the contents of these accounts constitutes the proceeds of an illegal gambling business and is forfeitable..."

My question now is why did QT put money back into some accounts and actually "clear" the funds. Pretty sure my withdrawal was definetely part of the seizure. I withdrew $1400 on May 4th. It was confirmed on the 6th. Went missing until May 20th. It was then put back into my account and the transaction status was marked "withdrawal returned by bank" My $1400 is listed as CLEARED.

Why would they do this if the money was taken by DOJ?
Was it because they are just being kind and takin the loss themselves?
Did the DOJ give back some of the funds to specific accounts and keep others?
Did QT recover some of the money back (unlikely) and are giving back some of the smaller withdrawals or maybe giving back in the order they were applied for?
Are the people here that have their funds "uncleared" in it for large amounts like over 2 grand?

It is just all so confussing. I am not complaining that my funds came back to be cleared... (actually it really makes no difference whether it is cleared or uncleared since we cant do anything with it anyways) but I am just trying to make since of this whole fiasco.
Thanks but the credit is not mine, actually alfred666 provided the original link to the affidavit in the thread about the new seizures.

The funds were apparently seized, I think that means the US Government has the money or should I say controls money.

As none of us broke any laws, they(the government) should return our money or let QT/UMW return the funds to us. Like what is supposed to be going on with the Poker rooms seizures that happened last month. But those have been a real clusterfuk and I don't think anyone has gotten their money back yet.
 
this is getting worse and worse each day....am I to worry about the check from Bodog that should of come a week ago or the wire from EuroPartners that should of hit my bank days ago???

I am also intrested in this answer as I have had a wire sent to me about 9 days ago now from AceRevenue that I have not yet recieved. It does not usually take this long.
 
No wonder why the cashouts from QT were always so fast. The DOJ was processing them! Also the feds had confidential informants who they gave money to deposit into the sites play and then cashout. Nice where do I sign up?!
 
So does this mean they will put the $250.00 back in my acct.:lolup:
It does say it's Being processed at this time & I know it's been in my bank acct already.
How stupid are they to say it's Being processed

» Withdrawals
# Request date Account Beneficiary Amount Currency Last change Status Operations
1 05/07/2011 12:08:38 100xxxxxxx Thomas xxxxxx 250.00 USD 05/09/2011 14:33:05 Being processed
 
Hey guys, I know this is a little off topic, but I think it is important.

Today the Poker Players Alliance is calling for a day of action.
Contact your Congressmen and your Senators... Tell tell them you are tired of all these actions against Poker by the government.

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“On behalf of the millions of poker players across the country, we are shocked at the action taken by the U.S. Department of Justice today against online poker companies and will continue to fight for Americans’ right to participate in the game they enjoy. Online poker is not a crime and should not be treated as such.”
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seems it was hit or miss

Nice find Lotso! You are so on top of everything!

From the affidavit:
"...the contents of these accounts constitutes the proceeds of an illegal gambling business and is forfeitable..."

My question now is why did QT put money back into some accounts and actually "clear" the funds. Pretty sure my withdrawal was definetely part of the seizure. I withdrew $1400 on May 4th. It was confirmed on the 6th. Went missing until May 20th. It was then put back into my account and the transaction status was marked "withdrawal returned by bank" My $1400 is listed as CLEARED.

Why would they do this if the money was taken by DOJ?
Was it because they are just being kind and takin the loss themselves?
Did the DOJ give back some of the funds to specific accounts and keep others?
Did QT recover some of the money back (unlikely) and are giving back some of the smaller withdrawals or maybe giving back in the order they were applied for?
Are the people here that have their funds "uncleared" in it for large amounts like over 2 grand?

It is just all so confussing. I am not complaining that my funds came back to be cleared... (actually it really makes no difference whether it is cleared or uncleared since we cant do anything with it anyways) but I am just trying to make since of this whole fiasco.

I requested my wire on 5/2 and did receive it in my account 5/5. Guess I was lucky and the last one requested, they redeposited it to my account and I transfered back to EH who has already paid me half and so far so good. Problem is they can only send a small amount at a time. But I am not complaining.

Feel it is over because no place to play that have safe withdrawal methods.
 
I requested my wire on 5/2 and did receive it in my account 5/5. Guess I was lucky and the last one requested, they redeposited it to my account and I transfered back to EH who has already paid me half and so far so good. Problem is they can only send a small amount at a time. But I am not complaining.

Feel it is over because no place to play that have safe withdrawal methods.

So you stole money from Quicktender?

If so, I hope you get hit by a bus.
 
If this helps anyone, find a trusted casino that will allow you to fund them via QT, but withdraw by a different method. I won $1250 at Bodog the other day and had my money within hours through Western Union. Why can't casinos fund a Visa debit card, or can they? I had a thought: Most of the time I fund QT with my Green Dot Visa debit card. I simply go buy a money pak, log in and put the money pak number in. The casinos should be able to buy you a money pack and then send you the number so you can load your card. Once loaded you could take out cash advances right from an ATM.
 
I am also intrested in this answer as I have had a wire sent to me about 9 days ago now from AceRevenue that I have not yet recieved. It does not usually take this long.

Awww.:...ace revenue hasn't paid you?? Now you know how the players feel.

Next time you have a complaint about your promotion of ROGUE casinos, take it somewhere that people give a shit. I.e NOT HERE.

Sorry for the derail.....
 
Stars paid me....

Like what is supposed to be going on with the Poker rooms seizures that happened last month. But those have been a real clusterfuk and I don't think anyone has gotten their money back yet.

I got paid 4 digits by pokerstars on May 4th I think... I was in the first round of re-requested returned requests... I think you dont hear too much about the payouts from poker sites, save for on forums like (x + x) bc most people who play poker dont cash out, ever!

so...

Pokerstars is paying out their American clients with balances as we speak.

I heard full tilt is gonna start their payouts soon, but IDK, they were always shady, so we shall see...

AP/UB has been paying out the whole time, or at least, they were operating with a "business as usual" philosophy the first few weeks after black friday. Only thing that changed was their domain, their traffic, and oh yeah, a $250 max per week cashout limit was put in affect...

I made a ton a coin at AP even since their myriad scandals, and I feel lucky I got out when I did, bc they have never changed ownership since the Russ Hamilton/Superuser (what a fat, nauseating, fat thief) scandal and IMHO, they have been fixing games (keno for sure, bj most likely, betonsoft slots for sure) the whole time and they just really have never given a flying f*ck about the customers. So while it sucks that players are getting burned since they clearly dont have enough reserve cash to pay out their American players and their International players as per their new cashout limits, (or either group alone for that matter) I feel like that place was about as legit as, well, er, as something that completely and fundamentally lacks legitimacy, and given the scandals since 2007, the players burned there knew that at any time a sudden and permanent devaluation of their chips might take place...

AND

Next time you have a complaint about your promotion of ROGUE casinos, take it somewhere that people give a shit. I.e NOT HERE.

Sorry for the derail.....

Nifty, that was a needed derail. And why did u take it so easy on him? The BALLS of some folks, to be complicit in the robbery of a group, mainly, US, and then come to the place where WE hang, and bitch about not getting their share of money they stolen from, US! Why are people who are promoting AceRevenue still even members? I understand that lack of accreditation alone should not be an affiliate NO-NO, and I also could see some "no can do's" being advertised by affiliates with no shame and no penalty, but ace revenue advertisers? I mean, If I started promoting player fraud I would be banned, right? How the eff is this any different?
 
... I hope you get hit by a bus.

This is not an appropriate way to speak to or deal with your fellow forum members.

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(see Forum Rules)

Please don't do this again. Thank you.

Next time you have a complaint about your promotion of ROGUE casinos, take it somewhere that people give a shit. I.e NOT HERE.

This is beneath you Nifty, and inappropriate: please leave the forum moderation to the Moderators.
 
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After reading the "Affidavit in support of the recent seizure warrants", it seems pretty clear where the missing QT withdrawals are now. Or am I reading this wrong?

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This part here is what caught my eye when I seen Ecocard.

During contract negotiations with Nemesis Group, a top manager stated that Nemesis Group had been running an e-wallet business under the name of BcoCard for about five years. Nemesis was establishing a processing relationship with Linwood in order to expand its payment processing in the u.S. Open source research of EcoCard indicates that it maintained advertising links with a number of online gambling sites, including Absolute Poker, Ultimate Bet, Poker Time, and Mansion Poker. The ECO Card website stated that "Club EcoCard has teamed up with various online gaming sites ....

After Linwood finalized a contract to provide payment processing services to Nemesis Group, a manager for Nemesis directed the movement of collected gambling proceeds to two accounts in the name of ChargeStream. Open source research showed that ChargeStream is a British Company offering a suite of payment services and products to on-line merchants. EcoCard and ChargeStream have the same address. Bank records also confirm a business relationship between ChargeStream Ltd. and Nemesis.
We know that Ecocard and Quicktender are basically the same company except that QT is for U.S. and Eco for Non-U.S. So what does that paragraph mean exactly?

Linwood is the fake payment processor that the U.S. set up.

Linwood Payment Solutions is a Department of Homeland Security Undercover Business set up to identify and prosecute companies accepting and paying out funds for U.S. customers who gamble online illegally.

If you have questions regarding funds withdrawn from your bank account for gambling purposes contact the online gambling company you provided your banking information to.
 
After reading the "Affidavit in support of the recent seizure warrants", it seems pretty clear where the missing QT withdrawals are now. Or am I reading this wrong?

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This part here is what caught my eye when I seen Ecocard.


We know that Ecocard and Quicktender are basically the same company except that QT is for U.S. and Eco for Non-U.S. So what does that paragraph mean exactly?

Linwood is the fake payment processor that the U.S. set up.

Linwood Payment Solutions is a Department of Homeland Security Undercover Business set up to identify and prosecute companies accepting and paying out funds for U.S. customers who gamble online illegally.

If you have questions regarding funds withdrawn from your bank account for gambling purposes contact the online gambling company you provided your banking information to.

It means I fully expect the 'owners' of Chargestream/QT/Eco to be indicted when the DOJ get all their little ducks in a row.
 
Just tried to log in to quicktender-message said services are discontinued and that all account holders will be notified. Quicktender is no longer,
Pam

Not the least bit surprising...

Batten down the hatches, and lash yourselves to the helm... it's going to be a bumpy ride from now on.
 
Yup Qt is gone and so is our money.


This is the message on the website
With regret, the Quicktender service has been discontinued. All account holders will be notified by email
No email and I don't expect one.
 
QT funds

Yup Qt is gone and so is our money.


This is the message on the website

No email and I don't expect one.
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So I did an ACH deposit/transfer to QT more than 9 days ago and it's been "pending/uncleared" ever since. They kept telling me to wait 1 more day and then today QT is gone.

So are they going to refund us our funds or is it all gone? I would imagine some folks had alot of $$$$ in there.
 
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So I did an ACH deposit/transfer to QT more than 9 days ago and it's been "pending/uncleared" ever since. They kept telling me to wait 1 more day and then today QT is gone.

So are they going to refund us our funds or is it all gone? I would imagine some folks had alot of $$$$ in there.
It is all gone... the US government stole our money.
 
It is all gone... the US government stole our money.

Now, now, Lots0... don't be so harsh....

The feds are 'protecting' us from organized crime... or is it porn? ... or white slavery... or gun runners... or drug cartels... or ourselves maybe. I forget which is the latest 'reasoning' ....

but yes... the feds have QT's and players' money. And we have been lopped off like the rotten limb we are.
 
wtf

I had $300 in my QT account as cleared.(Money won from casin0) I used this to play at other casinos and come to find out after I had depleted my QT account , my bank account had been hit by this amount!...so QT (or the feds) took my $300 and deducted it from my bank account (card linked to QT ..gamble only account).:(

Now I have to wait to contact QT and see what they did or what happened!

I guess, it will be a lost cause.
 
I had $300 in my QT account as cleared.(Money won from casin0) I used this to play at other casinos and come to find out after I had depleted my QT account , my bank account had been hit by this amount!...so QT (or the feds) took my $300 and deducted it from my bank account (card linked to QT ..gamble only account).:(

Now I have to wait to contact QT and see what they did or what happened!

I guess, it will be a lost cause.

are you serious? has this happened to anyone else?
 
Yep, me too!

I grew up in the UK. I grew up watching TV shows from the USA. I was crazy about the USA. Came to the USA...the Land Of The Free......to find out?...that it ain't free.

Ok, it's free if you abide by the law. ( Which to me these days is like wearing a belt that tightens notch by notch every day. I am a driver, and the police are looking for revenue. I do NOT speed, I wear my seatbelt. I check to see if any of my van lights have blown.
I mow my lawn before the local authorities fine me $345 because I did not mow it for 2 weeks....and send 3 workers to invade my land and mow it and then send me a bill for $345!!!..Yep, my hubby went to the Town Hall meetings and had that thrown out!

Every day, every freakin' day.....:mad:
 
I haven't made a purchase to QT in a long time, but had a lot of affiliate money in there.

Just wondering anyone thinking of doing chargebacks on there last few purchases there? Think this moth be the way to go for some of you.

Yeah, but as of now I am not sure IF it's QT themselves or the Higher Power ( in this case the FEDS)...so tread lightly, imo.
 
Yeah, but as of now I am not sure IF it's QT themselves or the Higher Power ( in this case the FEDS)...so tread lightly, imo.

Don't think it matters, you paid for a service, and did not get it. Its Fraud plain and simple.

How about someone like me, i haven't deposited into QT in a long time, yet they just took all my money in the xxxxx range, 2 months of payments, that i needed to pay my employees, and run my business, how is this not fraud.

Funny, the other day there saying don't worry, your money is safe, you cant withdraw but you can keep making deposits. Now its f#ck you all.
 
Don't think it matters, you paid for a service, and did not get it. Its Fraud plain and simple.

How about someone like me, i haven't deposited into QT in a long time, yet they just took all my money in the xxxxx range, 2 months of payments, that i needed to pay my employees, and run my business, how is this not fraud.

Funny, the other day there saying don't worry, your money is safe, you cant withdraw but you can keep making deposits. Now its f#ck you all.


I agree, partially but if it turns out that their hands were tied ( just hypothetical) then it may be wise to wait and see.

I choose my battles, and I do not wish to battle, if it's Federal related, right now.

NOW, having said that in the next 2 days, if it's a hit and run on QT'S part (i.e no email from them, etc) then it's ON!
 
I had $300 in my QT account as cleared.(Money won from casin0) I used this to play at other casinos and come to find out after I had depleted my QT account , my bank account had been hit by this amount!...so QT (or the feds) took my $300 and deducted it from my bank account (card linked to QT ..gamble only account).:(

Now I have to wait to contact QT and see what they did or what happened!

I guess, it will be a lost cause.

Okay, let me get this straight. The funds were clear in your QT account. You never had them transferred to a bank prior or during this whole fiasco, correct? You played away the $300 and they back-charged your bank account? Do I have this right?

I pray to God I do not!:eek2: Off to check my bank account!

Christine
 
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Yes,

Okay, let me get this straight. The funds were clear in your QT account. You never had them transferred to a bank prior or during this whole fiasco, correct? You played away the $300 and they back-charged your bank account? Do I have this right?

I pray to God I do not!:eek2: Off to check my bank account!

Christine


You got it, Christine.

I hope that it did not happen to you. It seems that some people had one experience and others , another!
 
Just a thought as I haven't seen it mentioned..... Does QT shutting up shop mean that they lied to the Meister with their public statement that was presented to CM members?:what:

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Personally, I don't think so. The indictment was made public ... when? ... yesterday? And they are not indicted, only mentioned as one of the processors that used the DOJ's dummy site. All strictly MHO.... I haven't read the entire document, merely skimmed. My computer doesn't like that site. LOL

And who knows who knew what when?
 
Don't think it matters, you paid for a service, and did not get it. Its Fraud plain and simple.

How about someone like me, i haven't deposited into QT in a long time, yet they just took all my money in the xxxxx range, 2 months of payments, that i needed to pay my employees, and run my business, how is this not fraud.

Funny, the other day there saying don't worry, your money is safe, you cant withdraw but you can keep making deposits. Now its f#ck you all.

Its probably an opportune moment to remind people that they should never keep large sums of money in an ewallet.

The funds will most likely be returned to players but it could easily take a year as with Neteller.

I feel sorry for all you peeps in USA its a disgraceful interference of your liberty. May as well take the statue down as it doesn't seem to mean much these days.
 
Interpol

My monies have been returned by my bank. Needless to say, don't screw with a person's money. Bye bye sham ops. DOJ my rear. It was a shell game on Q.T's part and wonder ,lol, how long this site persists in ignoring screams from the x ops of the U.S.

Rambler

"I buy ink by the barrel"-Mark Twain
 
My monies have been returned by my bank. Needless to say, don't screw with a person's money. Bye bye sham ops. DOJ my rear. It was a shell game on Q.T's part and wonder ,lol, how long this site persists in ignoring screams from the x ops of the U.S.

Rambler

"I buy ink by the barrel"-Mark Twain

Sorry rambler you lost me......
 
QT probably got hit by a bunch of charge back claims in the end. Banks were calling it all back. Some saw blood and an opportunity.

But... I don't really understand how charge back works... Help me understand this. Here's a hypothetical situation...

let's say you deposited oh... $250 in the last couple of weeks to QT. But you had a nice fat $1000 cash out coming thru from QT that is part of the monies siezed and you don't receive it. You do a charge back. (who the devil uses their credit card?? sorry... I just never did it) In doing a charge back, you only get the $250 not the $1000, right?

So if the feds will parlay with QT and later on release funds so they can pay players what they're owed, you're going to get your $1000 on top of your chargeback??

I do apologize for the derail. Feel free to make a new thread or whatever....
 
But... I don't really understand how charge back works... Help me understand this. Here's a hypothetical situation...

let's say you deposited oh... $250 in the last couple of weeks to QT. But you had a nice fat $1000 cash out coming thru from QT that is part of the monies siezed and you don't receive it. You do a charge back. (who the devil uses their credit card?? sorry... I just never did it) In doing a charge back, you only get the $250 not the $1000, right?

So if the feds will parlay with QT and later on release funds so they can pay players what they're owed, you're going to get your $1000 on top of your chargeback??



That's a good question, probably not.

What I meant was those who have lost recently with no payout money may have hit QT with chargebacks. Keep in mind QT is not a bank but an escrow service. They are just the hub and spoke system for moving money. When they get stuck holding the bag, without liquidity, they're dead. On QT' balance sheet your funds and mine are restricted (for operating purposes) and are offset by a corresponding liability (promise to pay) Like law firms have IOLTA accounts ...for clients. As you withdraw funds these accounts are either debited or credited with the fee booked as revenue for the service which goes to QT unrestricted cash. Can't see any other reason behind the shut down besides being under capitalized. There was obviously a liquidity event of some kind.
 
Question

If they are claiming to have been seized by DOJ why do they not have the website set up that others had when DOJ stepped in? (The notification page).

Just wondering, something seems off with this one to me.
 
If they are claiming to have been seized by DOJ why do they not have the website set up that others had when DOJ stepped in? (The notification page).

Just wondering, something seems off with this one to me.
QT's domain name didn't get seized, just the money in the accounts that were in process of being transferred got seized.

It was just the opposite with the poker rooms.
The DOJ did not seize the Poker Rooms bank accounts with the money(not for lack of trying I'm sure).
 
Dont know if it will work but.........

When I received QT email that all accounts will be blocked, I emailed back to close my account and delete all banking information from my account files, additionally I requested that all debits and credits to my account be deleted. I requested they "advise when my requests had been completed".

Not sure what will happen, they should be able to delete my banking information as their policy always allowed that upon request via email. Not sure about the debit and credits to my account, or wiretransfer information.

We will see and I will update post when I receive a response.

Basically, I am waiting for the final payments due me through non-QT payments(i.e. checks, ach, etc.) and then I am closing all accounts with "merchants".

There are definately fed officials tracking this sites posts and I am concerned they are even tracking those logging in to casino websites, and the like. I don't trust the U.S. Gov and due to the Patriot Act they have free reign.
 
How it works,

But... I don't really understand how charge back works... Help me understand this. Here's a hypothetical situation...

let's say you deposited oh... $250 in the last couple of weeks to QT. But you had a nice fat $1000 cash out coming thru from QT that is part of the monies siezed and you don't receive it. You do a charge back. (who the devil uses their credit card?? sorry... I just never did it) In doing a charge back, you only get the $250 not the $1000, right?

So if the feds will parlay with QT and later on release funds so they can pay players what they're owed, you're going to get your $1000 on top of your chargeback??

I do apologize for the derail. Feel free to make a new thread or whatever....

You can dispute debit card purchases made within the past 60 days with your bank and most banks will credit the amount back to your account and ask you to complete a form regarding the amount you are disputing, then they will request a response from the merchant that submitted the debit and they have 30 days to respond and provide documentation that shows what the charge was for etc. If they don't provide that information the money returned to your account is a permanent refund and the bank attempts to recover the amount from the entity that submitted the debit to your bank account.
So, if you have the 1000.00 in charges to dispute(as per your example) then I would do it. Otherwise, if it is far less you might want to take your chances and see if you get paid by QT once funds are released to them for payment to account holders.

Just my opinion. I had to dispute click2pay charges about 4 years ago and this is how it worked.
 

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