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One Million Reels BC $204,167.54 + was hit today

As KK points out it is just speculation but how many times have you seen a Rival Casino offer a ND bonus without any restrictions whatsoever - and he hits the same RJ with it that Irish luck apparently tried their little stunt with.

If it is common then I will definitely be less suspicious and scathing.


As far as I know the Jackpot has been hit Three times and every time was with an unusual bonus.

If you don't see the problem or KK would like to trust Rival despite everything that has been revealed in this thread and the coincidence of this win then thats fine.
I hope you are both right.

By the way I'm a 12 Foot tall Gorilla that smokes Bananas.

The first two times were in a row one after the other, because of the promotion IL ran that stated the bonus was to play this progressive only. A lot of people used the bonus apparently. And only for this game so it's not THAT odd that it went off twice. Then monies returned to the jackpot. So does it really count as ever going off as far as odds and things go? I don't know how these programs work. Maybe it was reset as if it never went off when the money was put back?

I don't know much about odds and how they work. But do you guys honestly think that a Rock On iSlot promotion was the cause of something underhanded?

I think Vegas Sky would have to be dumber than dirt to try some inside job right after the mess that just took place with IL. And I don't think they're dumb at all.

Of course they're tickled pink to see a winner and be able to use that for PR. Most casinos do make a big stink about big winners and big progressive winners. It's not coming out of their pocket. And if they can handle the cashout properly and promptly, it's great publicity for them. I'd be happy if I were Vegas Sky. (And even happier if I were the player that won!)

The only thing Vegas Sky stands to gain is some good publicity, a happy player, and knowing they paid out their progressive winner as progressive winners are intended to be paid. ALL OF IT.

I don't think it's fair to hold Vegas Sky in the shadow of another Rival operator (IL).
 
I think Vegas Sky would have to be dumber than dirt to try some inside job right after the mess that just took place with IL. And I don't think they're dumb at all.

Maybe they really needed those money after I claimed 190$ from my no deposit bonus:D


And if there has been something fishy with the latest jackpot, it means that all casinos can be rigged and manipulated.
And proving that is like proving the Big bang Theory.
 
As far as I know the Jackpot has been hit Three times and every time was with an unusual bonus.

If you don't see the problem or KK would like to trust Rival despite everything that has been revealed in this thread and the coincidence of this win then thats fine.

Four months, jackpot not hit once. Rival (notice I didn't say Irish Luck) runs a n/d promo to play ONLY this progressive, which is then hit twice on the same day, with a max cashout in place.

Three weeks later, Rival (notice I didn't say Vegas Sky) runs a n/d promo, but this time for a different slot....and what happens? A brand new player hits the progressive again, only this time there's no max cashout in place....so "apparently" this luckier than a four leaf clover player gets to keep it all.

I think Vegas Sky would have to be dumber than dirt to try some inside job right after the mess that just took place with IL. And I don't think they're dumb at all.

The only thing Vegas Sky stands to gain is some good publicity, a happy player, and knowing they paid out their progressive winner as progressive winners are intended to be paid. ALL OF IT.

I don't think it's fair to hold Vegas Sky in the shadow of another Rival operator (IL).

I think Vegas Sky and Irish Luck are Rival. And that's really what this comes down to for me. With the exception of Slotocash, I believe that each and every one of these Rivals are white label operations....with Rival themselves being the ones who make the decisions as to what promos are run, and when they are run.

17. Accordingly, all of the corporations are, in reality, alter egos of the Individual Defendants in order to disguise the Individual Defendants' ownership of the Casinos, and de facto operation and management thereof from the Ottawa premises.

19. The Corporate Structure (Exhibit P-1A), clearly indicates that, while Giesbrecht was represented to have some involvement in the marketing process, "all decisions with regards to marketing will be made by the principles (sic) at our Ottawa location."

Exhibit P-1A is a written explanation of the Corporate Structure of Rival as provided by one of the defendants. It's not a corporate structure made up by T2 Marketing.....it was provided by Rival and is included as one of the exhibits, thus the quotes around the "all decisions with regards......" part above in #19.

I just don't understand how anyone still believes that these guys are on the up and up. With the exception of Slotocash, who had the professionalism and business acumen to actually make a public statement....not a word from any other Rival rep on this forum (besides John posting a link to a statement made by Rival on their own website, which basically told us nothing).

And as yet, still no statements on their max withdrawal limits...and exactly how long is it gonna take this Jeff (if he exists) to collect his cool 1/4 million? Maybe we should start a pool here and take bets as to when he'll receive his final payment? In reality, if he's genuine, he should receive the whole lump sum in one cha-ching payment into his bank account (or whatever payment method he uses).

There's a thread here that was split off from another thread, titled Issue with Max Withdrawal Limits at Rival. Nashvegas won 40K plus a bit, and finally got so frustrated at all the different answers and the runaround he was given, that he finally just played it all back (his fault for that part of it). So that was 40K, how long is it gonna take Jeff to collect his 1/4 million? And who's got this money in the interim? Where is it?

Just as KK stated, alot of this is speculation. No one has any definitive proof of anything. The people who choose to believe Rival, are going on the word of Rival, and affiliate managers who say it's all legit. I myself choose to believe legal documents filed in a court of law, with a mountain of evidence to back up the claim....regardless if the suit has been heard as yet or not. To each his own.
 
I would like to add a couple of points that i picked up reading this thread.

1. Some one here said [ sorry i don't remember how far back the post was or who said it] that "how can the same casino that puts a cash out limit on their 100% deposit bonus offer, NOT put a limit on a free chip cash out?> things that make you go ummm?

2. If the player did start playing at different games with the free $10 and then made some cash [as suggested by another poster in this thread], and then moved over to the progressive and won that way, Rival could of said "they can not win the progressive jackpot because they did not follow the terms of the free chip, the promotion specifically said the free chip was to try out their new game "Rock On" so if Rival wanted to be "tight" about the progressive win, they could of claimed this as Null and Void.

JMO
 
I would like to add a couple of points that i picked up reading this thread.

1. Some one here said [ sorry i don't remember how far back the post was or who said it] that "how can the same casino that puts a cash out limit on their 100% deposit bonus offer, NOT put a limit on a free chip cash out?> things that make you go ummm?

2. If the player did start playing at different games with the free $10 and then made some cash [as suggested by another poster in this thread], and then moved over to the progressive and won that way, Rival could of said "they can not win the progressive jackpot because they did not follow the terms of the free chip, the promotion specifically said the free chip was to try out their new game "Rock On" so if Rival wanted to be "tight" about the progressive win, they could of claimed this as Null and Void.
JMO

The only way they could have claimed that is if Jeff had of played on one of these games first before winning the progressive:

Play at the following games, and any variants, does not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Blackjack, Sicbo, RedDog, Baccarat, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud.
 
If you don't see the problem or KK would like to trust Rival despite everything that has been revealed in this thread and the coincidence of this win then thats fine.
It's not that I totally trust Rival (or any other casino or software), I just try to view all these situations in an objective, unbiased and balanced way.
In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

There are a few 'conspiracy theorists' on this forum, and loads of speculation, which is totally understandable and makes very interesting reading, but I personally need solid proof of any wrong-doing before I will be 100% convinced.
As a Player and as an Affiliate to many online casinos I HAVE to trust them - I have no choice because there is almost no way I can ever know if they are ripping me off or not.

KK
 
I'm not getting anywhere via email with the Ministre de la Justice du Qubec, in which I am trying to find out what has actually happened in the T2 Marketing case (neither T2 nor their previously communicative lawyers are responding to emails, suggesting a settlement may have been reached)

However, the Ministry of Justice has pointed me to the civil courts here:

Clerk of the Quebec Superior Court, court house of Montreal where the file was opened.

Montreal: 1, Notre-Dame Est, Montral Qc. 2Y 1B6

tlphone: 514-393-2246

The case reference is:

T2 Marketing vs. 6300511 Canada Inc., Matthew ****, Marc ****, Patrick **** and Ashley ***** in Quebec Superior Court case number 500-17-046150-085.

Perhaps one of our Canadian members could give the clerk of the court a call and ask what the disposal of this case is ie Settled? Still Active? Withdrawn?
 
I'm not getting anywhere via email with the Ministre de la Justice du Qubec, in which I am trying to find out what has actually happened in the T2 Marketing case (neither T2 nor their previously communicative lawyers are responding to emails, suggesting a settlement may have been reached)

However, the Ministry of Justice has pointed me to the civil courts here:

Clerk of the Quebec Superior Court, court house of Montreal where the file was opened.

Montreal: 1, Notre-Dame Est, Montral Qc. 2Y 1B6

tlphone: 514-393-2246

The case reference is:

T2 Marketing vs. 6300511 Canada Inc., Matthew ****, Marc ****, Patrick **** and Ashley ***** in Quebec Superior Court case number 500-17-046150-085.

Perhaps one of our Canadian members could give the clerk of the court a call and ask what the disposal of this case is ie Settled? Still Active? Withdrawn?

If Rival has their business acumen as they should, then they will settle this case out of court with a non-disclosure agreement in place as most large companies do in cases such as this one.
 
It's not that I totally trust Rival (or any other casino or software), I just try to view all these situations in an objective, unbiased and balanced way.
In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

There are a few 'conspiracy theorists' on this forum, and loads of speculation, which is totally understandable and makes very interesting reading, but I personally need solid proof of any wrong-doing before I will be 100% convinced.
As a Player and as an Affiliate to many online casinos I HAVE to trust them - I have no choice because there is almost no way I can ever know if they are ripping me off or not.

KK
Whatever!!....how bout some proven ones......really oil and water just do mix!!

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It's not that I totally trust Rival (or any other casino or software), I just try to view all these situations in an objective, unbiased and balanced way.
In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

There are a few 'conspiracy theorists' on this forum, and loads of speculation, which is totally understandable and makes very interesting reading, but I personally need solid proof of any wrong-doing before I will be 100% convinced.
As a Player and as an Affiliate to many online casinos I HAVE to trust them - I have no choice because there is almost no way I can ever know if they are ripping me off or not.

KK

Interesting response to something I said I was fine with.

The facts in this thread speak for themselves, they are all well documented, what you infer (or rather do not wish to infer) from them and the sequence of events that has led to them is up to you and anyone else who reads this thread.
I would not have it any other way. That is what the forum is about I hope.

Personally I view all these situations in an objective, unbiased and balanced way.

Is that same as you said? No copyright I hope. ;)

Conspiracy theorists?
I wonder if you will mention tinfoil hats in your next post or have you not got to that chapter yet? :p
Just kidding KK you're a decent sort.

I honestly do hope this is the genuine, amazingly coincidental, good publicity, happy clappy, freak win on the same Progressive Jackpot where scandal was rife only a few pages back.

I will light up a Havana Banana in celebration.:thumbsup:
 
I'm not getting anywhere via email with the Ministre de la Justice du Qubec, in which I am trying to find out what has actually happened in the T2 Marketing case (neither T2 nor their previously communicative lawyers are responding to emails, suggesting a settlement may have been reached)

However, the Ministry of Justice has pointed me to the civil courts here:

Clerk of the Quebec Superior Court, court house of Montreal where the file was opened.

Montreal: 1, Notre-Dame Est, Montral Qc. 2Y 1B6

tlphone: 514-393-2246

The case reference is:

T2 Marketing vs. 6300511 Canada Inc., Matthew ****, Marc ****, Patrick **** and Ashley ***** in Quebec Superior Court case number 500-17-046150-085.

Perhaps one of our Canadian members could give the clerk of the court a call and ask what the disposal of this case is ie Settled? Still Active? Withdrawn?

Hi Jetset, I will see what I can find out this week. I may talk to Jasminebed about this as well, she has many years experience dealing with our court system up here, if we're really lucky she may even speak a bit of French. I do, but it's really rusty.

I suspect that Rob may be right in re: the NDA. Unfortunately, it IS how business is done. If that happens, then we'll be SOL.

KK, the funny thing is that I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I've always thought I was pretty level headed, and I also try to be unbiased. Actually, I've always used that term to describe Rob (not in a bad way, more like a pet name). :D

Yet, here we are with differing views...and I've become the conspiracy theorist. I only mention that because I find it funny. If only we could all agree with each other all the time. :)
 
There is and has been some speculation on this thread but what else can be expected? There really hasn't been anyone in a position that will clarify, so we have what we have. I'm sure all of us would prefer to have the unvarnished no BS facts but that isn't possible, so we are left to take what we do know as fact and speculate on the rest, but we each must arrive at our own conclusions but conspiracy theorists is taking it a bit too far.

I for one would prefer that this whole ugly mess never happened and I would have liked to have kept my trust intact.
 
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:p
 
I believe that we are all familiar with "how business works" and settlement/NDA tactics....my objective is to try and get around the speculation and at the very least find out exactly what is happening (or has happened) to this case.

Even if it is a mere confirmation that it has been settled under an NDA or withdrawn.

Thanks, Pina - look forward to your report in due course.
 
It's not that I totally trust Rival (or any other casino or software), I just try to view all these situations in an objective, unbiased and balanced way.
In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

There are a few 'conspiracy theorists' on this forum, and loads of speculation, which is totally understandable and makes very interesting reading, but I personally need solid proof of any wrong-doing before I will be 100% convinced.
As a Player and as an Affiliate to many online casinos I HAVE to trust them - I have no choice because there is almost no way I can ever know if they are ripping me off or not.

KK

Yep KK. Innocent unless proven guilty. Our legal system is also based on the English one and all about common law and equity. However, I also want to borrow a leaf from Sherlock Holmes masterpieces and do some detective work.:D:D

My main beef is that this casino in question is very tight with regard to what it pays out. 4x bonus is the max cashout on a 100% match. Why would they now relax the terms for a ND bonus as any player could win several $K and where the sky is the limit. Meanwhile, I noticed in the cashier that there is a BC 100% match promo. Apparently, they want someone (me included:D) to hit the progressive. Dunno why the rush.
 
Yep KK. Innocent unless proven guilty. Our legal system is also based on the English one and all about common law and equity. However, I also want to borrow a leaf from Sherlock Holmes masterpieces and do some detective work.:D:D

My main beef is that this casino in question is very tight with regard to what it pays out. 4x bonus is the max cashout on a 100% match. Why would they now relax the terms for a ND bonus as any player could win several $K and where the sky is the limit. Meanwhile, I noticed in the cashier that there is a BC 100% match promo. Apparently, they want someone (me included:D) to hit the progressive. Dunno why the rush.


Yes chuchu, you got it. I have been all over the rivals, and there have been many Million reels BC promos. (to many IMO)
 
My main beef is that this casino in question is very tight with regard to what it pays out. 4x bonus is the max cashout on a 100% match. Why would they now relax the terms for a ND bonus as any player could win several $K and where the sky is the limit.
I believe it's called "marketing".

Players who like progressives look at all the Rivals; "Where to play?"
Casino X who have ND bonuses, but no progressive play allowed, or Casino Y where you can play progressives on a NDB & there is no max cash-out?
Hmmmm...

KK
 
Okay, I am getting more suspicious. On Saturday, I asked for this free chip (Rock On) which I read from previous posts should expire on the 3rd of this month. First live chat claims I unsubscribed from their promotions (not true) and so I didnt get the promo. If I had why are there several other promos in the cashier? Then the support staff says that the request will be forwarded to management. I just received a reply stating that the promo has expired. Hmm, right after the progressive win. Wasnt it supposed to be for Rock On and to be expired on the 3rd? Fishy.
 
Okay, I am getting more suspicious. On Saturday, I asked for this free chip (Rock On) which I read from previous posts should expire on the 3rd of this month. First live chat claims I unsubscribed from their promotions (not true) and so I didnt get the promo. If I had why are there several other promos in the cashier? Then the support staff says that the request will be forwarded to management. I just received a reply stating that the promo has expired. Hmm, right after the progressive win. Wasnt it supposed to be for Rock On and to be expired on the 3rd? Fishy.

This promotion is being resent to ensure everyone can receive their bonus. The bonus described below will expire in 7 days time. Thanks for your support of Vegas Sky Casino.

That email was sent 5 days ago. They didn't have it in the cashier after they sent the 1st email, so they fixed it and re-sent the email to everyone ~3 hours later. It was supposed to expire this Wednesday.

In all fairness, isn't there a clause in their T&C that says they can pull a promo whenever they want?

Even so, it doesn't make sense, because it's not like the JP money is coming out of their pocket....or is it...:rolleyes:?
 
Mojo posted the terms of the Rock On coupon:

Get $10 FREE (no deposit necessary)
Get $10 free. If you meet the playthrough and minimum cashout requirements, you may be required to make a small deposit in order to verify your account information. No additional wagering will apply. The small deposit does not apply to any minimum cashout requirements.

Maximum 1 bonus per household/computer/person. Minimum deposit required to withdraw (for fraud prevention)
40x bonus playthrough ($400)
Playthrough is the amount that must be wagered (put at risk) before you may cashout.

Unless otherwise stated, 1 credit wagered in a game counts as 1 credit toward playthrough requirements. Play at the following games, and any variants, does not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Blackjack, Sicbo, RedDog, Baccarat, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud.
The following games and any variants may have different table limits while this promotion is active: Roulette, Blackjack, Sicbo, RedDog, Baccarat, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud
Your table limits may change while this promotion is active.

Valid from 2009-05-27 00:00:00 to 2009-06-03 23:59:59. Promotion may be expired by casino at any time.
The casino's general terms and conditions apply.

The term is there, that they can expire the promotion at any time.


That email was sent 5 days ago. They didn't have it in the cashier after they sent the 1st email, so they fixed it and re-sent the email to everyone ~3 hours later. It was supposed to expire this Wednesday.

In all fairness, isn't there a clause in their T&C that says they can pull a promo whenever they want?

Even so, it doesn't make sense, because it's not like the JP money is coming out of their pocket....or is it... :rolleyes:?


This coupon wasn't a progressive coupon. Even though it didn't restrict progressives, it wasn't just for the progressive. Whoever's pocket the jackpot money comes from, has nothing to do with whether or not they should decide to end this promotion early.

Progressive jackpots doesn't come from their pocket directly.

But think about it. This was an open coupon availabe to play in a lot of different games and had no max cashout. BESIDES the one lucky player that hit the progressive jackpot from it, lots of other players played this coupon as well. The casino may have left out a max cashout amount by mistake. If so, they may have got hammered a bit from cashouts other than the progressive.

For example, they could have realized they goofed and left out a max cashout as other cashouts were requested for any amounts. Or, maybe after the progressive hit, and they realized they left out the max cashout amount, they decided they better end it before they get hammered from other cashouts that are much greater then they meant to allow on a free chip.

I don't think there's anythng suspicious about them cancelling this early. You'd almost expect them to if the promotion wasn't set up right and they stood to lose their shirts. I've seen many promotions over the years, go out with players hammering a casino because of something overlooked when the promotion was first published. That usually IS the time a casino will cancel a promotion early.
 
Maybe not suspicious but you did coincidently give a good reason yourself why it might be suspicious.
No max cashout rule could get expensive sure but you think that was an accident they only noticed after 5 Days?
Hardly plausible is it?
So you could see it as the objective was for the Progressive to be won on this chip and then it was closed down.
It is open to speculation but as always we are short on information since Rival casinos generally say nothing.

KK says innocent until proved guilty which is fine in a court case where the prosecution has legal entitlement to all the evidence and gets to cross examine the witnesses but we don't have that luxury so we must speculate and come to our own conclusions based on the little facts we have.

If this were a trial though it sure would make an interesting jury room if a cross section of the members here were the jurors. :D

Has Jeff been paid yet by the way?
 
I believe that we are all familiar with "how business works" and settlement/NDA tactics....my objective is to try and get around the speculation and at the very least find out exactly what is happening (or has happened) to this case.

Even if it is a mere confirmation that it has been settled under an NDA or withdrawn.

Thanks, Pina - look forward to your report in due course.

I PM'd with Jazzy today (thx Jazzy!!), and her French is about as poor as my own, lol. The spoken variety anyway.

But she did give me a couple of pointers, so I WILL get to this one day this week. I have alot going on myself, but I will call. And I'll let you know what they say.
 
Whoever's pocket the jackpot money comes from, has nothing to do with whether or not they should decide to end this promotion early.

Read between the lines of my post....I was going down the road of all Rival's being ran by the same people that was brought up earlier in this thread.

That's the only reason I said ...or is it...
 
After reading around the Internet on this Irish Luck thing I like to know who will drop them? Or does that nasty word get in your way.I know I did and will never play at Irish Luck again.
You see many views on them that you don't see here.
All this stuff & my friend Mallorca & bb made my mind up about this whole thing.
I like to know your views about why you will still promote them? or Play at Irish Luck.
Thank You

I am just Mad about how all this took place.
Maybe time will mend all this and I will try it again.

So what's the good word on this Irish Luck place?:lolup:
All this looks like it was put under the table and nothing was ever said again.
Did they turn over a new leaf or something and they are ok to promote again?:rolleyes:
I see many never dropped them over this crazy mess they pulled.
 
So what's the good word on this Irish Luck place?:lolup:
All this looks like it was put under the table and nothing was ever said again.
Did they turn over a new leaf or something and they are ok to promote again?:rolleyes:
I see many never dropped them over this crazy mess they pulled.

I dropped them back when this thread was hot and haven't even had second thoughts about it, don't know about the other affiliates here though.
 
Apparently many Rivals think the whole thing will go away and that their player base will grow strongly again despite a blip in recent times. Some even think they have the best software in the trade and people dont care how unethical they are except the stubborn ones who visit forums. Nevertheless, they should be in the minority and wont affect them.
 
Apparently many Rivals think the whole thing will go away and that their player base will grow strongly again despite a blip in recent times. Some even think they have the best software in the trade and people dont care how unethical they are except the stubborn ones who visit forums. Nevertheless, they should be in the minority and wont affect them.
Once Mr. Rennick is extradited from Canada although I have yet to confirm his whereabouts for sure so let's assume, it will not be the affililiate community,members of this forum, industry leaders who make the calls. And of course, the players have no rights or legal recourse as online gaming is illegal *cough* but so is fraud, theft of funds, and some other I prefer to not mention:rolleyes:

Unlike Clinton, Obama did not clean house at the DOJ and many attornies (probably due to the lack of other public and private sector hiring in the legal profession currently unless your field of expertise is foreclosures) maintained for continuity of on-going investigations they must remain. Contrary to most new administrations, Obama as mentioned let those that did not leave on their own accord remain. Game still on! Should some tied to Rival be concerned. I really dunno I suppose. Forum rules,the end!:D

That said, the DOJ does not move fast. I know after an 18 year case that for all practical purposes has probably ended with a twist one could not have ever scripted:mad:
 
... and they are ok to promote again?:rolleyes:
Since they still haven't paid my affiliate commission for April or June yet (despite several reminding e-mails from me and 2 promises to pay from them), I would so no, they are not good to start promoting right now.

KK
 
Since they still haven't paid my affiliate commission for April or June yet (despite several reminding e-mails from me and 2 promises to pay from them), I would so no, they are not good to start promoting right now.

KK
Thank You KK
And can I have a good reason why you still have them up if they treat you like this?
Thank You again
~T~
So I take it they are still...............Same ole same ole
 
Thank You KK
And can I have a good reason why you still have them up if they treat you like this?
Thank You again
~T~
So I take it they are still...............Same ole same ole


And...what did you expect Tom about these guys from Iris F...Casino.?
Remember what they did to me and now...they don`t pay the affiliates...
KK posted that they owe him affiliate commissions ...
I`m telling you again stay away from this casino...
Sloto Cash is the only Rival casino...the rest of them use a different software,"No Promotions Available Software"...lol.
 

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